30 July 2009

Police Wrap - 30 July

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1. DFO RAGE!!!

    ACT Policing is seeking witnesses to an assault on two people, a 49-year-old Jerrabomberra man and his 45-year-old wife, in the underground carpark of the DFO shopping centre, Fyshwick, on Sunday July 26, 2009

    The male victim had gone to check on the wellbeing of a young man who appeared to be under intimidation by three youths.

    The three male youths have then turned on the Jerrabomberra man and assaulted him by kicking and punching him. The victim’s wife was also abused and physically assaulted.

    The offenders were seen in a silver Mazda 626, possibly a 1992-93 model, with ACT registration plates and a P plate.

    One of the male offenders was described as being around 6’ (183cm) tall with pale skin and a thin face. He was wearing a pale-coloured jumper.

    A second offender was wearing a red-coloured hooded top while another was wearing a blue hooded top. All of the offenders had distinctive haircuts, with short hair at the sides and longer hair on top and at the back of their heads.

    Police believe there were a number of other people in the carpark at the time of the assaults and they may be able to help identify the offenders. Police would urge any witnesses who saw a group of males answering this description, or may have any other information about this matter which could assist the police investigation to call contact Crime Stoppers.

If you can help police contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or online.

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j from the block2:52 pm 31 Jul 09

Phew, that was close, I was tight head prop.
Making sure the offenders, or could be offenders are aware that there are people out there who will not stand idly by / allow them to intimidate people is also important. If to do nothing more than to make them think twice, or that maybe instead of it all being a laff there may be Repercussions

neanderthalsis said :

j from the block said :

Maybe it’s something about rugby playing bouncers. I too am gifted / cursed with a gorilla build (see ex front row and bouncer).

This site seems to attract the gorilla type (me = ex loosehead prop and former artilleryman, so big and deaf…). Maybe us gorillas can form our own posse, buy some red berets and go around…. oh wait…

LOL. I’m starting to get a bit spooked though, neanderthalsis! I’m an ex-loose head prop and also a slight deaf ex-military gunner (elbeit navy). Are you me?

j from the block said :

Ah, the RA Gorilla Gang. Nice in theory. But where does it stop. I sadly learnt a long time ago to stop interfering when I saw male to female violence, I now politely ask if the lass is ok or wants help, and then mention it to the nearest cop, or call up and report if the reply is f off, as opposed to wanting assistance. Last few times I restrained the gent, and copped a flogging from the female.
While a man striking a woman tends to make me livid, you can normally only help those who will accept it.
OT; not the case here, but a case against the roaming vigilante crew. Sadly.

+1. I’ve had several incidents at clubs and festivals where I’ve gone to help some girl getting hit or yelled at by her (in)significant other just to have her turn on me and tell me to mind my own F***ing business or even slap me. Best you can do is let the bloke know he’s being watched very closely, then report it.

j from the block2:12 pm 31 Jul 09

Ah, the RA Gorilla Gang. Nice in theory. But where does it stop. I sadly learnt a long time ago to stop interfering when I saw male to female violence, I now politely ask if the lass is ok or wants help, and then mention it to the nearest cop, or call up and report if the reply is f off, as opposed to wanting assistance. Last few times I restrained the gent, and copped a flogging from the female.
While a man striking a woman tends to make me livid, you can normally only help those who will accept it.
OT; not the case here, but a case against the roaming vigilante crew. Sadly.

neanderthalsis said :

This site seems to attract the gorilla type (me = ex loosehead prop and former artilleryman, so big and deaf…). Maybe us gorillas can form our own posse, buy some red berets and go around..

Sign me up. Seriously.

It takes “real big men” to attack a single bloke and a wife with baseball bats…
Nothing but mindless gutless thugs that need to be put through the genetic woodchipper.

Here’s hoping the cops get the plates from the CCTV system.

neanderthalsis11:39 am 31 Jul 09

j from the block said :

Maybe it’s something about rugby playing bouncers. I too am gifted / cursed with a gorilla build (see ex front row and bouncer).

This site seems to attract the gorilla type (me = ex loosehead prop and former artilleryman, so big and deaf…). Maybe us gorillas can form our own posse, buy some red berets and go around…. oh wait…

Back OT, if this was a deliberate set up to give a good samaritan type a flogging, then it is the lowest of low acts.

Early nineties Silver 626 drivers with mullets or wearing hoodies beware.

No, it’s because if it were the other way around we’d want people to help us.

Just to clarify my earlier post (#3) here’s a relevant example –

I dont know CPR so if I saw someone who needed CPR – rather than make the situation worse by trying to give them CPR when I dont know how to – I would call them an ambulance or someone who could actually help.

Not try and help if I couldnt.

But some of you are saying no matter what, even if you cant help and you’ll only make things worse or put yourself in danger – you should always try and help – cause its the ‘right thing to do’….

ahappychappy10:41 am 31 Jul 09

If you REALLY want to find the car, drive past all the colleges and have a look. I’m sure it wont be hard to find.

I also remember a little while ago, little sh!ts were staging fights at traffic lights. They would pull up on either side of the lights, jump out and start a fake fight with the lone bloke in one car to see if they got a reaction. To me, it looked legitimate. They completely ripped this little bloke out of his car, and started booting him. As soon as someone jumped out of a passing car (me in this instance) to help out the bloke on the ground, they would all turn on them.

The missus got both registration numbers, I got a black eye and it was done with. But as they were minors, a warning, slap on the wrist and it was all over. The funniest part though, they all dobbed in only one as the culprit and claimed that none of the others hit me! Spineless little shits. If it had been one on one it would’ve ended completely differently.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy10:28 am 31 Jul 09

How many eerly 90’s 626’s would there be in silver in Canberra? Lucky to be more than 5, I’d reckon. Check em all until you see the one with p plates…

Too many bored, nasty little monkeys around with too much money and too much ease in their lives.

j from the block10:06 am 31 Jul 09

Roadrage77 said :

What were these little turds after?

A rush, a chance to feel big, probably not cash or jewels. Just idiots.

What were these little turds after?

j from the block9:55 am 31 Jul 09

Thanks granny, my mum would tend to agree, but having a psychology and sociology degree in my gorilla head, I completely understand it. Bystander effect is a horrible thing, but part of human nature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

If ever there was a forgettable car made it was the ’92-’93 Mazda 626. What a shame. I’ll be keeping an eye out nonetheless.

I just feel so sad that people don’t stop to help if somebody looks like j from the block, but then I suppose incidents like this are why people feel scared to help. Not only will this brave couple have to deal with the shock, but the betrayal will run deep, I suspect.

j from the block9:38 am 31 Jul 09

Maybe compulsory military service before starting a war.
Or organised dickhead fightclubs. From my experience most will talk big, but have never taken a punch. Feeling the otherside of the bat / fist might sober some of them up to reality.

j from the block9:35 am 31 Jul 09

Maybe it’s something about rugby playing bouncers. I too am gifted / cursed with a gorilla build (see ex front row and bouncer).
Possibly also as bouncers (and emergency officials feel free to jump in also) we have seen the effects of say a three / four on one brawl, and have a tendency to be able to read moods and see when things are about to get uglier.
Note: I am not saying that all bouncers do this, like all fields there are good and bad apples.

Gungahlin Al9:33 am 31 Jul 09

Here’s the CT article.
(Trying to keep the thread alive so more people see it and hopefully join the Mazda 626 hunt…)

We need a war

These sorts of people get rejected by the military. No drive, no self worth and gutless. Wouldn’t last a week at Kapooka before they’d be crying like babies and asking to go home.

Agreed, sounds like the perfect punishment for them, if they want to play tough boys, then out them in where they will be sorted accordingly.

Gungahlin Al8:17 am 31 Jul 09

I know I’ll be looking around for a silver 626 the next few days. CT today have confirmed this aspect that it was staged to draw them in – something that was not mentioned in the police statement.

j from the block said :

Some of us continue to step in and help others when in distress, be in an assault, a flat battery, or flat tyre by the side of the road.
When my kids ask me why we are stopping, to for example push a car from the middle of the intersection when it has died for some reason, I explain that it is because it is the right thing to do. The person in the car may be distressed, the people driving past and beeping and swearing aren’t really helping, so dad is going to help, and it’s important to help people.
I do it, possibly because while I know not many would stop to help me (“hey honey lets stop and help the shaved gorilla with tattoos that looks upset” not always the option preferred) that some might stop to help my mum, my kids, my wife if they needed it.

Agreed J.

Helping people who need it just makes you feel good. I know it makes me feel better about myself. Helping someone when you know you face personal injury takes that little bit extra but at least you know you can look at yourself in the mirror and feel good about yourself each morning. Incidentally, I’m a ex-rugby 1st grade prop and bouncer and realise when wading-in to help someone that if you look like you can handle yourself you stand a better chance of putting at least some fear into the morons throwing punches. In the case in the OP, however, you have to think that mob mentality overcomes any fear they may have of coming off worst and, unfortunately, they’re invariably right.

Good on the folks who thought they were helping out. I hope they heal quickly and well and still feel good about helping others. For the idiots that did the attacking, ‘roll on karma’… you can’t help but think there will be a roadside memorial with their names on it coming to a street near you sometime soon.

#15.

If that’s true, that is a seriously sick thing to do. What effin cowards.

Hugh Lews said :

“Did you ever know that you’re my hero?”

Why not just call the cops, call Security, get the rego of the car?

He obviously didnt help the situation anyway so what was the point?

really.

I am a long time reader of this site and have read a number of your posts. I have to say WOW your civic towards your fellow Canberran is astonishing.

What the hell’s wrong with these thugs – setting a trap to beat up good Samaritans? They must have run out of little old ladies to roll.
Bogan cowards the lot of them.

Gungahlin Al10:35 pm 30 Jul 09

Truly despicable.

I would have thought there’d be security cameras throughout the carpark – or at the exit points at the very least…

Be good if pictures could be posted here by the police – sure some right thinking person would recognise them or the car.

The descriptions of the offenders and vehicle sound fairly good so I would think they will be able to make an arrest. Though I still don’t understand how people don’t ever take down the registration of the vehicles in these and similar situations, especially bystanders who aren’t getting the poo kicked through them.

Wow. Just when you think society can’t get any worse…. it does!

What kind of world will we have with scum like these in numbers?

We need a war…

Gungahlin Al6:23 pm 30 Jul 09

This personal account of the incident from one of my Facebook friends. A seriously disturbing story:

On Tuesday my friend’s parents, both in their late 40s, were attacked by a group of teenagers in the DFO underground car park at around 3pm. Mum and Dad were going to the aid of what they thought was a boy being beat up by the older ones but it turned out to be a set up to draw in good Samaritans!They meant business as several more waiting in a nearby car. The boy they thought was in trouble handed out baseball bats.

They meant business as several more waiting in a nearby car. The boy they thought was in trouble handed out baseball bats! Thank God they were spooked and took off before using them, but not before inflicting several blows to her Mum and Dad, with Dad requiring stitches. She wants to warn others of this unprovoked, spontaneous, frightening, sick trap and also ask that anybody with any information to contact police.

j from the block2:59 pm 30 Jul 09

A semi pro front forward does a good shaved gorilla impression.
And prefers lamb.

j from the block said :

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Shaved gorilla?

http://the-riotact.com/?p=13107

I do go out with an older woman, but not that one.
And I was a semi pro front row forward, but somehow missed all the group “fun”

So does a semi pro front forward only eat a dozen roast chooks a sitting?

j from the block2:38 pm 30 Jul 09

Ivan76 said :

Although I would have sent the missus away to call the cops..

So when you have a couple, one training to be a cop, and one big gruff tattooed guy……
Needless to say we normally both jump in. And then both tell each other off because we could have been hurt.

On Police activity – there was a heavy police presence at the gov’t flats in Griffith last night (cnr Eyre and Canberra Ave, opposite BP servo). Seemed to be a siege/standoff; with tactical response styled officers ‘holding’ one of the stair wells leading up to a 2nd floor flat.

It was all clearly visible from east bound lanes of Canberra Ave.

Although I would have sent the missus away to call the cops..

Good call J – I’m just like you, a gentle giant – but people who do not know me tend to avoid me. Tattoos, gruff appearance, who knows…We are all mortal and therfore equal i think.

Ill always help others, not because I should, but because I want to… The more people that do makes a better place to live in.

Hugh Lews said :

“Did you ever know that you’re my hero?”

Why not just call the cops, call Security, get the rego of the car?

He obviously didnt help the situation anyway so what was the point?

really.

Because some people cannot just stand idoly by whilst someone is getting the sh!t kicked out of them. He may not have helped much in the end but at least he stood up to it.

j from the block1:59 pm 30 Jul 09

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Shaved gorilla?

http://the-riotact.com/?p=13107

I do go out with an older woman, but not that one.
And I was a semi pro front row forward, but somehow missed all the group “fun”

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy1:55 pm 30 Jul 09
j from the block1:52 pm 30 Jul 09

Some of us continue to step in and help others when in distress, be in an assault, a flat battery, or flat tyre by the side of the road.
When my kids ask me why we are stopping, to for example push a car from the middle of the intersection when it has died for some reason, I explain that it is because it is the right thing to do. The person in the car may be distressed, the people driving past and beeping and swearing aren’t really helping, so dad is going to help, and it’s important to help people.
I do it, possibly because while I know not many would stop to help me (“hey honey lets stop and help the shaved gorilla with tattoos that looks upset” not always the option preferred) that some might stop to help my mum, my kids, my wife if they needed it.

Without knowing both sides of the story (I’m guessing there’s the possibility of mitigating circumstances that provoked the three youths into attacking the guy and his wife..), this is yet another example of why people these days seem to avoid helping others in distress or in need of help.. Pretty awful, really.

“Did you ever know that you’re my hero?”

Why not just call the cops, call Security, get the rego of the car?

He obviously didnt help the situation anyway so what was the point?

really.

Is there not camera surveillance in the carpark? At least on the entrances? Surely this mob should be relatively easy to find if there is.

Inappropriate9:19 am 30 Jul 09

All of the offenders had distinctive haircuts, with short hair at the sides and longer hair on top and at the back of their heads.

Avoid men sporting a mullet? Duly noted.

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