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Public Forum: What’s Wrong with Abbott’s Refugee Policy?

By RAC 14 October 2013 138

Event starts 6:30pm. Free refreshments from 6pm. Speakers including Senator Sarah Hanson-Young. All welcome.

Location: Haydon-Allen Lecture Theatre (The Tank), Australian National University.

A ‘three-star’ general appointed to use military force to stop asylum seekers. A ‘blackout’ on reporting the numbers of refugees arriving by boat. Sending vulnerable men, women and children seeking our assistance to remote detention camps in neighbouring third world countries. Stripping funds for legal assistance for asylum seekers. Eliminating any right to appeal refugee status in the courts. Forcing anyone found to be a refugee entitled to protection to reapply for a Temporary Protection Visa every 3 years, so they live forever in fear of being deported. What’s wrong with this picture? What can we do to change it?

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thebrownstreak69 5:47 pm 22 Oct 13

housebound said :

Thumper said :

chewy14 said :

johnboy said :

Former Liberal MP Judi Moylan on how the boat people bedwetters are just racists:

https://newmatilda.com/2013/10/22/echoes-white-australia

Yep, anyone who disagrees with an unworkable policy that allows preferential treatment to those with the means to get here and ensures many asylum seekers will drown on the way here is definitely a dirty stinking racist.

And anyone who disagrees with the policies of deterrence is clearly a loony, left wing, communist, terrorist supporter.

I love it when name calling replaces sensible debate, it’s so much more effective in convincing people.

Exactly.

When the so called “bleeding heart loonie left” and so called “raving right wing racists” realise that they both have some perfectly valid points then we may actually see some progress.

But it appears that it is much easier to simply fling insults than to actually sit down and have a rational discussion about all relevant issues.

And the ultimate losers are the refugees currently sitting in Indonesia waiting for a boat.

So right. But trading insults seems to be the name of the game these days.

Don’t hold your breath.

It would be good if we could bring this back to fact and logic. There was some good debate earlier in this thread. If people disagree than that’s OK, but let’s play the ball and not the man.

housebound 4:36 pm 22 Oct 13

Thumper said :

chewy14 said :

johnboy said :

Former Liberal MP Judi Moylan on how the boat people bedwetters are just racists:

https://newmatilda.com/2013/10/22/echoes-white-australia

Yep, anyone who disagrees with an unworkable policy that allows preferential treatment to those with the means to get here and ensures many asylum seekers will drown on the way here is definitely a dirty stinking racist.

And anyone who disagrees with the policies of deterrence is clearly a loony, left wing, communist, terrorist supporter.

I love it when name calling replaces sensible debate, it’s so much more effective in convincing people.

Exactly.

When the so called “bleeding heart loonie left” and so called “raving right wing racists” realise that they both have some perfectly valid points then we may actually see some progress.

But it appears that it is much easier to simply fling insults than to actually sit down and have a rational discussion about all relevant issues.

And the ultimate losers are the refugees currently sitting in Indonesia waiting for a boat.

So right. But trading insults seems to be the name of the game these days.

Don’t hold your breath.

Thumper 4:32 pm 22 Oct 13

chewy14 said :

johnboy said :

Former Liberal MP Judi Moylan on how the boat people bedwetters are just racists:

https://newmatilda.com/2013/10/22/echoes-white-australia

Yep, anyone who disagrees with an unworkable policy that allows preferential treatment to those with the means to get here and ensures many asylum seekers will drown on the way here is definitely a dirty stinking racist.

And anyone who disagrees with the policies of deterrence is clearly a loony, left wing, communist, terrorist supporter.

I love it when name calling replaces sensible debate, it’s so much more effective in convincing people.

Exactly.

When the so called “bleeding heart loonie left” and so called “raving right wing racists” realise that they both have some perfectly valid points then we may actually see some progress.

But it appears that it is much easier to simply fling insults than to actually sit down and have a rational discussion about all relevant issues.

And the ultimate losers are the refugees currently sitting in Indonesia waiting for a boat.

chewy14 4:18 pm 22 Oct 13

johnboy said :

Former Liberal MP Judi Moylan on how the boat people bedwetters are just racists:

https://newmatilda.com/2013/10/22/echoes-white-australia

Yep, anyone who disagrees with an unworkable policy that allows preferential treatment to those with the means to get here and ensures many asylum seekers will drown on the way here is definitely a dirty stinking racist.

And anyone who disagrees with the policies of deterrence is clearly a loony, left wing, communist, terrorist supporter.

I love it when name calling replaces sensible debate, it’s so much more effective in convincing people.

johnboy 3:29 pm 22 Oct 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Yep, definitely a sock puppet.

From memory 5 readers have accused me of sock puppeting when it turns out there are many people who think they’re idiots.

Intriguingly all five of them were stupid and racists.

thebrownstreak69 3:20 pm 22 Oct 13

Jim Jones said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

johnboy said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

You’ve been asked this a couple of times now, and refused to answer on both occasions.

It hasn’t stopped you throwing around words like ‘racist’ and ‘white Australia policy’ though.

You strike me as being a generally socially aware person, so I’m surprised you won’t engage on this. Perhaps you aren’t as sure of yourself now after reading the comments here?

I don’t enjoy talking to racist fools.

When the “problem” is that the arrivals are found, almost always, to be legitimate refugees there is no problem.

Sure keep them in a processing centre if you insist until the claim can be processed, but I’d rather a country populated entirely by boat people than the cowards who are afraid of them.

Are you accusing me of being a coward who is afraid of boat people? Or a racist fool? If so, I suggest you re-read my comments (after taking some remedial English courses).

Ooooooh … watch it, he’s got the handbag out!

Yep, definitely a sock puppet.

Jim Jones 3:15 pm 22 Oct 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

johnboy said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

You’ve been asked this a couple of times now, and refused to answer on both occasions.

It hasn’t stopped you throwing around words like ‘racist’ and ‘white Australia policy’ though.

You strike me as being a generally socially aware person, so I’m surprised you won’t engage on this. Perhaps you aren’t as sure of yourself now after reading the comments here?

I don’t enjoy talking to racist fools.

When the “problem” is that the arrivals are found, almost always, to be legitimate refugees there is no problem.

Sure keep them in a processing centre if you insist until the claim can be processed, but I’d rather a country populated entirely by boat people than the cowards who are afraid of them.

Are you accusing me of being a coward who is afraid of boat people? Or a racist fool? If so, I suggest you re-read my comments (after taking some remedial English courses).

Ooooooh … watch it, he’s got the handbag out!

thebrownstreak69 3:02 pm 22 Oct 13

johnboy said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

You’ve been asked this a couple of times now, and refused to answer on both occasions.

It hasn’t stopped you throwing around words like ‘racist’ and ‘white Australia policy’ though.

You strike me as being a generally socially aware person, so I’m surprised you won’t engage on this. Perhaps you aren’t as sure of yourself now after reading the comments here?

I don’t enjoy talking to racist fools.

When the “problem” is that the arrivals are found, almost always, to be legitimate refugees there is no problem.

Sure keep them in a processing centre if you insist until the claim can be processed, but I’d rather a country populated entirely by boat people than the cowards who are afraid of them.

Are you accusing me of being a coward who is afraid of boat people? Or a racist fool? If so, I suggest you re-read my comments (after taking some remedial English courses).

johnboy 2:54 pm 22 Oct 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

You’ve been asked this a couple of times now, and refused to answer on both occasions.

It hasn’t stopped you throwing around words like ‘racist’ and ‘white Australia policy’ though.

You strike me as being a generally socially aware person, so I’m surprised you won’t engage on this. Perhaps you aren’t as sure of yourself now after reading the comments here?

I don’t enjoy talking to racist fools.

When the “problem” is that the arrivals are found, almost always, to be legitimate refugees there is no problem.

Sure keep them in a processing centre if you insist until the claim can be processed, but I’d rather a country populated entirely by boat people than the cowards who are afraid of them.

thebrownstreak69 2:47 pm 22 Oct 13

Jim Jones said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

johnboy said :

Former Liberal MP Judi Moylan on how the boat people bedwetters are just racists:

https://newmatilda.com/2013/10/22/echoes-white-australia

Is your position that we should treat all boat arrivals as legitimate asylum seekers without verifying their claims and immediately settle them in the community?

Is your position that we should execute all boat arrivals and dance on their graves?

When did you stop beating your wife?

Sometimes I think you’re the sockpuppet Johnboy uses when he has the shits and doesn’t want to have to think.

thebrownstreak69 2:46 pm 22 Oct 13

johnboy said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

Is your position that we should treat all boat arrivals as legitimate asylum seekers without verifying their claims and immediately settle them in the community?

No.

Nothing left but straw men?

You’ve been asked this a couple of times now, and refused to answer on both occasions.

It hasn’t stopped you throwing around words like ‘racist’ and ‘white Australia policy’ though.

You strike me as being a generally socially aware person, so I’m surprised you won’t engage on this. Perhaps you aren’t as sure of yourself now after reading the comments here?

Jim Jones 2:11 pm 22 Oct 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

johnboy said :

Former Liberal MP Judi Moylan on how the boat people bedwetters are just racists:

https://newmatilda.com/2013/10/22/echoes-white-australia

Is your position that we should treat all boat arrivals as legitimate asylum seekers without verifying their claims and immediately settle them in the community?

Is your position that we should execute all boat arrivals and dance on their graves?

When did you stop beating your wife?

johnboy 1:43 pm 22 Oct 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Is your position that we should treat all boat arrivals as legitimate asylum seekers without verifying their claims and immediately settle them in the community?

No.

Nothing left but straw men?

thebrownstreak69 1:38 pm 22 Oct 13

johnboy said :

Former Liberal MP Judi Moylan on how the boat people bedwetters are just racists:

https://newmatilda.com/2013/10/22/echoes-white-australia

Is your position that we should treat all boat arrivals as legitimate asylum seekers without verifying their claims and immediately settle them in the community?

howeph 1:27 pm 22 Oct 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

howeph said :

Some would argue that imprisonment is a penalty.

Others would argue they are free to leave whenever they like.

Are you arguing that? If so, then where can they go? More than 80% of them ARE refugees.

thebrownstreak69 said :

As we’ve discussed earlier, the current situation is well short of optimal.

Yes it is.

Australia, however is a nation ruled by law. We have obligations under the law.

I can not tell you how disheartening it is to hear my fellow Australians arguing that we should abandon these principles that our forefathers gave so much to establish.

And it is impossible for you, me or I suspect any of us commenting on The Riot ACT, to comprehend what it must feel like to be the victim of this injustice. For a sense of how this might feel I refer again to the video I’ve posted to this forum previously

Starting at the 50 second mark you hear the detainee asking:

Detainee: “Why am I here? Why?”

Officer: “Medical, Medical” [the Detainee’s face is covered in blood from where he has, out of desperation, deliberately cut himself or bashed his head against the cell wall]

Detainee: “No medical! Why am I here?”

Detainee: “I came with Afghani people. I am here – why?”

Detainee: “Is this the law?”

Detainee: “I won’t be kept here. I swear to God.”

Officer: “They need to check your injuries.”

Detainee: “But it’s my heart that is breaking.”

The video is from Curtin when it was operated under the Howard government. The same and worse has happened under the Rudd and Gillard governments and it is happening right now under the Abbott government.

It is morally wrong. It is unlawful and it is happening in our name.

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