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Public Service women of insufficient calibre?

By johnboy - 10 May 2013 43

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The Canberra Labor MPs are raising a ruckus over Tony Abbott’s plans to balance the books on his paid parental leave scheme by excluding women who work for the public service.

(Presumably because business is being asked to fund the scheme)

The Liberals are scrambling to rein in the costs of their paid parental leave scheme and as usual they are sharpening their knives to cut into the rights of public servants.

This morning’s AFR reports that members of the Coalition have a plan to shave down their $5 billion PPL scheme by excluding public servants at all levels of government.

The proposal, which has been put forward by several members of the Coalition party room, represents a desperate struggle to patch up the funding gaps in the PBO-costed $5 billion scheme.

Tony Abbott, Joe Hockey and Andrew Robb have already floated a series of job cuts and forced relocations to thousands of public servants.

In a cynical attempt to reduce the costs of his scheme, Tony Abbott is prepared to leave the public service’s women behind just for some cheap point scoring about public servants.

For those who haven’t been paying attention Tony Abbott’s signature Paid Parental Leave scheme will see high income earners receiving higher payments to attract women of sufficent calibre. (unless, apparently, they’re public servants)

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Public Service women of insufficient calibre?
chewy14 3:21 pm 10 May 13

DrKoresh said :

chewy14 said :

DrKoresh said :

God he’s a bigoted turd. Why does income indicate calibre? Not to start a flame war but wouldn’t you think that women who chose to have kids instead of focussing on their careers would be better suited to raising kids than a CEO with a business degree?

Oh well, at least it’s good to know he’ll be looking out for rich, white Australians, they really need a break.

Tony Abbotts scheme is ridiculous in the extreme but I just can’t let your statement lie.

People who choose to have children over a career are better suited to raising children?

Yes, ill remember that the next time I pass the Centrelink office or walk through a shopping centre on a workday.

Ps. Love the casual racism at the end of your comment too.

So you’re bigoted against welfare-recipients, good to hear.

And poor little whitey, I hope my casual racism didn’t hurt your feelings, I know it’s something you must face everyday in every walk of life.

Hint: bigot doesn’t mean what you think it does.

And thanks for admitting you’re a racist. It’s good to know.

Ps, Abbotts scheme will benefit more white people in Australia because *shock horror* most people in this country are white. It’s like saying a scheme working with prison inmates unfairly benefits indigenous Australians because a higher proportion (to their overall population) are in jail.

Note that I still think its a shocking scheme and a massive waste of money.

DrKoresh 2:57 pm 10 May 13

dtc said :

Baggy said :

Find me a single statement which said that Abbott’s plan is looking out for rich, white Australians. Just one.

I recall seeing statistics recently on the nation’s universities which indicated that a significant proportion of students are International students (which I’ll try dig out), and given the ethnic diversity of the country I’d also expect to see that ‘whitey’ students would by no means be a majority.?

Really?

The criticism of Abbott’s plan is that it gives high income earners much greater payments than low income earners.

Now, I you will quite easily find that a disproportionate number of females earning a high income in Australia are white. Same as you will find for males.

You will also find that people on high incomes are more able to afford to have time off to have kids and thus have less of a need to be subsidised by the govt (or business).

Hence the people who are favoured by this scheme – in comparison to the existing schemes – are white and rich. Firstly because fewer non white people are earning high incomes, and secondly because people who are already well off are being given more money when they dont really need it; and social policy should be to provide money to those who do need it.

And as for foreign university students – when they actually stay in Australia then perhaps you have a point. But most of them are here just for the degree. Which is fine but it makes your comment a bit irrelevant.

What s/he said.

dtc 2:46 pm 10 May 13

Baggy said :

Find me a single statement which said that Abbott’s plan is looking out for rich, white Australians. Just one.

I recall seeing statistics recently on the nation’s universities which indicated that a significant proportion of students are International students (which I’ll try dig out), and given the ethnic diversity of the country I’d also expect to see that ‘whitey’ students would by no means be a majority.?

Really?

The criticism of Abbott’s plan is that it gives high income earners much greater payments than low income earners.

Now, I you will quite easily find that a disproportionate number of females earning a high income in Australia are white. Same as you will find for males.

You will also find that people on high incomes are more able to afford to have time off to have kids and thus have less of a need to be subsidised by the govt (or business).

Hence the people who are favoured by this scheme – in comparison to the existing schemes – are white and rich. Firstly because fewer non white people are earning high incomes, and secondly because people who are already well off are being given more money when they dont really need it; and social policy should be to provide money to those who do need it.

And as for foreign university students – when they actually stay in Australia then perhaps you have a point. But most of them are here just for the degree. Which is fine but it makes your comment a bit irrelevant.

steveu 2:42 pm 10 May 13

neanderthalsis said :

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the existing APS maternity leave entitlements are pretty much what the Abbott scheme is anyway?

This is what I was thinking too. perhaps stopping two bites at the cherry?

Im sick to death of the sexism debate in politics.

We have have a billion dollar childcare industry that has been set up and subsidised by the government to ensure that if women want to work (have their career), and not have the kids being looked after by the dad instead of themselves, they can.

neanderthalsis 2:35 pm 10 May 13

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the existing APS maternity leave entitlements are pretty much what the Abbott scheme is anyway?

Baggy 1:43 pm 10 May 13

DrKoresh said :

chewy14 said :

DrKoresh said :

God he’s a bigoted turd. Why does income indicate calibre? Not to start a flame war but wouldn’t you think that women who chose to have kids instead of focussing on their careers would be better suited to raising kids than a CEO with a business degree?

Oh well, at least it’s good to know he’ll be looking out for rich, white Australians, they really need a break.

Tony Abbotts scheme is ridiculous in the extreme but I just can’t let your statement lie.

People who choose to have children over a career are better suited to raising children?

Yes, ill remember that the next time I pass the Centrelink office or walk through a shopping centre on a workday.

Ps. Love the casual racism at the end of your comment too.

So you’re bigoted against welfare-recipients, good to hear.

And poor little whitey, I hope my casual racism didn’t hurt your feelings, I know it’s something you must face everyday in every walk of life.

Find me a single statement which said that Abbott’s plan is looking out for rich, white Australians. Just one.

I recall seeing statistics recently on the nation’s universities which indicated that a significant proportion of students are International students (which I’ll try dig out), and given the ethnic diversity of the country I’d also expect to see that ‘whitey’ students would by no means be a majority.

Also, isn’t racism bad, regardless of who is saying it? Or are you one who feels that only ‘white’ people can be racist, and never the victims?

Darkfalz 1:22 pm 10 May 13

Sorry, released I replied to the wrong person.

Darkfalz 12:57 pm 10 May 13

chewy14 said :

DrKoresh said :

God he’s a bigoted turd. Why does income indicate calibre? Not to start a flame war but wouldn’t you think that women who chose to have kids instead of focussing on their careers would be better suited to raising kids than a CEO with a business degree?

Oh well, at least it’s good to know he’ll be looking out for rich, white Australians, they really need a break.

Tony Abbotts scheme is ridiculous in the extreme but I just can’t let your statement lie.

People who choose to have children over a career are better suited to raising children?

Yes, ill remember that the next time I pass the Centrelink office or walk through a shopping centre on a workday.

Ps. Love the casual racism at the end of your comment too.

There was no casual racism at the end of my comment. Good at reading into things that aren’t there based on your own prejudices obviously.

Here’s Abbott’s actual quote:

“We do not want educated women, at the higher degree level, to deny them a career. If we want women of that calibre to have families – and we should – well we’ve got to give them a fair dinkum chance to do so and that’s what this scheme of paid parental leave is all about.”

So once again you miss the point. It’s not about encouraging only highly educated, successful women to have children. Every working woman having a child benefits from this scheme, even someone in a minimum wage gets the payment for 6 weeks longer, but the majority will be women starting out in their careers perhaps on 40-80K salary and will be much better off. Most women on 150K are well past child bearing age anyway.

What Abbott was saying is that we don’t want to lose (as many) women from the work force who have gone through a tertiary education to obtain a particular set of skills that the country needs, when those women decide it’s time for a family. If they are going to be severely financially impacted or have difficulty resuming where they left off, they might either put off having children or end up not returning to the workforce.

If the woman returns to the job, long term she’s erased any burden on the taxpayer from her more generous scheme and actually increased the nation’s productivity. Win-win.

I find this whole politics of envy, where Labor women are essentially saying “I’d rather get less myself than see someone else get more” childish and frankly, counter to their best interests.

The debate about the levy and other funding is another matter and worth having, but getting hung up on “calibre” is typical leftist distraction, nitpicking and envy.

DrKoresh 12:48 pm 10 May 13

chewy14 said :

DrKoresh said :

God he’s a bigoted turd. Why does income indicate calibre? Not to start a flame war but wouldn’t you think that women who chose to have kids instead of focussing on their careers would be better suited to raising kids than a CEO with a business degree?

Oh well, at least it’s good to know he’ll be looking out for rich, white Australians, they really need a break.

Tony Abbotts scheme is ridiculous in the extreme but I just can’t let your statement lie.

People who choose to have children over a career are better suited to raising children?

Yes, ill remember that the next time I pass the Centrelink office or walk through a shopping centre on a workday.

Ps. Love the casual racism at the end of your comment too.

So you’re bigoted against welfare-recipients, good to hear. And poor little whitey, I hope my casual racism didn’t hurt your feelings, I know it’s something you must face everyday in every walk of life.

chewy14 12:40 pm 10 May 13

DrKoresh said :

God he’s a bigoted turd. Why does income indicate calibre? Not to start a flame war but wouldn’t you think that women who chose to have kids instead of focussing on their careers would be better suited to raising kids than a CEO with a business degree?

Oh well, at least it’s good to know he’ll be looking out for rich, white Australians, they really need a break.

Tony Abbotts scheme is ridiculous in the extreme but I just can’t let your statement lie.

People who choose to have children over a career are better suited to raising children?

Yes, ill remember that the next time I pass the Centrelink office or walk through a shopping centre on a workday.

Ps. Love the casual racism at the end of your comment too.

Darkfalz 12:27 pm 10 May 13

DrKoresh said :

God he’s a bigoted turd. Why does income indicate calibre? Not to start a flame war but wouldn’t you think that women who chose to have kids instead of focussing on their careers would be better suited to raising kids than a CEO with a business degree?

Oh well, at least it’s good to know he’ll be looking out for rich, white Australians, they really need a break.

Interesting. You drew both income level and ethnicity from “calibre”? He mentioned only education.

Darkfalz 12:26 pm 10 May 13

By “high income” you mean of course, higher than minimum wage.

Deref 11:48 am 10 May 13

Standard Tory public service bashing. Nothing to see here. Move along.

DrKoresh 11:35 am 10 May 13

God he’s a bigoted turd. Why does income indicate calibre? Not to start a flame war but wouldn’t you think that women who chose to have kids instead of focussing on their careers would be better suited to raising kids than a CEO with a business degree?

Oh well, at least it’s good to know he’ll be looking out for rich, white Australians, they really need a break.

HiddenDragon 10:48 am 10 May 13

I think the key phrase in that release is “members of the Coalition” – presumably those, such as Alex Hawke, who are concerned about the scheme as put forward by Abbott and who, having realised that their leader is determined to see it implemented, are looking for options to contain the costs. The AFR piece, and a similar one in The Australian do not, on my reading, indicate that Abbott is having a change of heart.

Putting aside, for the moment, the inconvenient fact that Labor has consistently attacked and ridiculed Abbott’s proposed parental leave scheme, are we to assume, in light of this release, that they would now like to see it go ahead, with full coverage in the public sector? If so, for the APS and other Budget-funded elements of the Commonwealth public sector, perhaps they could fund it by yet another levy/efficiency divided on the running costs of departments and agencies – or maybe not. I think they might be better concentrating their efforts on the scare campaign over the Coalition’s IR policy.

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