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Public Service women of insufficient calibre?

By johnboy 10 May 2013 43

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The Canberra Labor MPs are raising a ruckus over Tony Abbott’s plans to balance the books on his paid parental leave scheme by excluding women who work for the public service.

(Presumably because business is being asked to fund the scheme)

The Liberals are scrambling to rein in the costs of their paid parental leave scheme and as usual they are sharpening their knives to cut into the rights of public servants.

This morning’s AFR reports that members of the Coalition have a plan to shave down their $5 billion PPL scheme by excluding public servants at all levels of government.

The proposal, which has been put forward by several members of the Coalition party room, represents a desperate struggle to patch up the funding gaps in the PBO-costed $5 billion scheme.

Tony Abbott, Joe Hockey and Andrew Robb have already floated a series of job cuts and forced relocations to thousands of public servants.

In a cynical attempt to reduce the costs of his scheme, Tony Abbott is prepared to leave the public service’s women behind just for some cheap point scoring about public servants.

For those who haven’t been paying attention Tony Abbott’s signature Paid Parental Leave scheme will see high income earners receiving higher payments to attract women of sufficent calibre. (unless, apparently, they’re public servants)

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IrishPete 6:36 pm 13 May 13

neanderthalsis said :

Adding “colour” to the offence make it racist. It may not have been a racially driven attack, but the very fact that a persons race was used in an offensive manner makes it racist. Singling out an individual because of their race/colour is racist. No matter what the bleeding heart apologists believe, it is possible for us white folk to experience racism.

The racist verbal abuse was probably upsetting, but I suspect it was probably much less upsetting than being robbed and threatened.

Your last sentence was unnecessary as I had already said that. And I am a proud bleeding heart though I don’t think I’d call myself an apologist.

IP

neanderthalsis 4:11 pm 13 May 13

IrishPete said :

milkman said :

So while robbing and bashing a black person, screaming “f*** you ya dirty black c***” would not be considered racist?

Back on planet Earth, I’ve seen plenty of examples of Aborigines targeting white people (when I was growing up) because of the colour of their skin.

Without the robbing, yes this was obviously racist. With the robbing, the words might just be adding “colour” (pun intended) to the offence.

IP

Adding “colour” to the offence make it racist. It may not have been a racially driven attack, but the very fact that a persons race was used in an offensive manner makes it racist. Singling out an individual because of their race/colour is racist. No matter what the bleeding heart apologists believe, it is possible for us white folk to experience racism.

Darkfalz 3:27 pm 13 May 13

Diggety said :

DrKoresh said :

I’m still laughing at the idea that white people in Australia can experience racism.

A contender for the dumbest comment for the dumbest comment the year.

Most white people are programmed to be auto-racist. It’s been a massive success for those who want to undermine european culture and history.

IrishPete 3:01 pm 12 May 13

milkman said :

So while robbing and bashing a black person, screaming “f*** you ya dirty black c***” would not be considered racist?

Back on planet Earth, I’ve seen plenty of examples of Aborigines targeting white people (when I was growing up) because of the colour of their skin.

Without the robbing, yes this was obviously racist. With the robbing, the words might just be adding “colour” (pun intended) to the offence. I note no-one is homing in on the use of the word “faggot”. Was he robbed because they thought he was gay? Or did they only rob gay non-indigenous folk, while non-gay non-indigenous folk were left alone?

Of course anyone can be racist, regardless of their own race/ethnicity. But when someone robs someone we assume the motive is financial. If the motive is racial, and the monetary gain is secondary, then it’s racist. If the person has been targeted for robbing because of their race, then it’s also probably racist. Or maybe even the robbing was secondary to the targeting.

Sorry if this is too complex for some readers, but the world is a complicated place, however much you want it to be simple black and white (pun also intended).

IP

Affirmative Action Man 9:19 am 12 May 13

DrKoresh said :

I’m still laughing at the idea that white people in Australia can experience racism. By the way, I double-checked the definition of ‘bigot’ and it does in fact extend to cover judging people by socio-economic status so I guess you’re the one who needs to brush-up on their pocket Macquarie, chewy.

I have it on good authority that any caucasian person playing a season of AFL in the Alice Springs competition will have been called a “white c#*t on several occasions.

milkman 7:44 am 12 May 13

IrishPete said :

bearlikesbeer said :

DrKoresh said :

I’m still laughing at the idea that white people in Australia can experience racism.

When I moved to Australia, on my first day of high school here in Canberra, I was attacked by a group of Aboriginal boys and men (approx 16-21yo). They picked me out of a group of students sitting at a Manuka bus stop and attempted to rob me, going on about how I owed them money because of my skin colour. I was repeatedly punched in the head while they called me things like “white faggot c*nt”, and told me I wasn’t welcome in their school.

My parents and I met with the school principal to discuss the incident, as most of the Aboriginal kids involved were fellow students at my school. The principal informed us that little would be done by the school because the students involved were indigenous and the matter was therefor “culturally sensitive” in nature. My parents suggested getting the police involved. The principal felt that any action taken would probably just inflame the issue. The principal explained that Aborigines in the area occassionally targeted Anglo and Asian students for muggings and bashings, and advised me to avoid Manuka after school.

DrKoresh, do you feel what I experienced qualifies as racism?

I know you didn’t ask everyone, but I am going to say “yes” there are several examples of racism in this story..the aboriginal perps may have been one, but then again that’s just what the school said – maybe they robbed all the new kids, black white or anything else.

IP

So while robbing and bashing a black person, screaming “f*** you ya dirty black c***” would not be considered racist?

Back on planet Earth, I’ve seen plenty of examples of Aborigines targeting white people (when I was growing up) because of the colour of their skin.

LSWCHP 10:36 pm 11 May 13

simsim said :

LSWCHP said :

OK JB, I have to ask the question. The pic for this post is (as far as I can tell) an American female soldier wearing body armour while servicing a Browning .50 cal heavy machine gun. What’s the relevance of the pic to the story of APS female staff potentially not being included in Mr Abbott’s new parental leave scheme? I’m trying to make the connection, but it’s just not happenin’ for me.

JB is presumably making a visual pun on the word “calibre”. As puns go, it’s … well, it’s not actually funny, but it does exist.

Yeah, I just checked back in to see how this thread was going and as soon as I saw the word “calibre” in the headline I groaned. 🙂

IrishPete 9:28 pm 11 May 13

bearlikesbeer said :

DrKoresh said :

I’m still laughing at the idea that white people in Australia can experience racism.

When I moved to Australia, on my first day of high school here in Canberra, I was attacked by a group of Aboriginal boys and men (approx 16-21yo). They picked me out of a group of students sitting at a Manuka bus stop and attempted to rob me, going on about how I owed them money because of my skin colour. I was repeatedly punched in the head while they called me things like “white faggot c*nt”, and told me I wasn’t welcome in their school.

My parents and I met with the school principal to discuss the incident, as most of the Aboriginal kids involved were fellow students at my school. The principal informed us that little would be done by the school because the students involved were indigenous and the matter was therefor “culturally sensitive” in nature. My parents suggested getting the police involved. The principal felt that any action taken would probably just inflame the issue. The principal explained that Aborigines in the area occassionally targeted Anglo and Asian students for muggings and bashings, and advised me to avoid Manuka after school.

DrKoresh, do you feel what I experienced qualifies as racism?

I know you didn’t ask everyone, but I am going to say “yes” there are several examples of racism in this story..the aboriginal perps may have been one, but then again that’s just what the school said – maybe they robbed all the new kids, black white or anything else.

IP

Diggety 8:22 pm 11 May 13

DrKoresh said :

I’m still laughing at the idea that white people in Australia can experience racism.

A contender for the dumbest comment for the dumbest comment the year.

pink little birdie 6:59 pm 11 May 13

miz said :

So what if the husband took the leave, and he earns more than the wife? Which ‘wage’ would the scheme pay?

Personally I think they are going to get themselves into a big tangle if they don’t go with a fixed rate.

The wording is “maternity” rather than “parental” leave which is another objection to the scheme.

chewy14 6:56 pm 11 May 13

DrKoresh said :

chewy14 said :

Why don’t you post a link then Dr Koresh? Couldn’t be because ‘judging’ someone isn’t found anywhere in the definition, could it?

And seeing as you don’t know the meaning of ‘bigot’, i’m hardly surprised that you don’t know the meaning of ‘racism’ either.

“Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person’s race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.”-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

There, it sums up your feelings on the people ” [you] pass the Centrelink office or walk through a shopping centre on a workday.”, if you don’t understand what words like ‘prejudices’ mean then maybe you should stop talking as if you’ve got a degree in English Lit instead of just an internet connection and a semi-competent grasp of the English languge.

So what you’re saying is you couldn’t link the dictionary definition which you claimed you had? Because you’re wrong.

And even then, can you explain how my first comment would even come close to ‘bigotry’ under your ridiculous Wikipedia (bahahahaha) post?
Where was the hatred, contempt or intolerance?

Keep digging, you’re heading into Julia Gillard ‘misogyny’ territory.

Pork Hunt 6:16 pm 11 May 13

IrishPete said :

Is that solider in the photo wearing make up, and is his hair tied back in a pony tail?

What is the world coming to?

IP

Obviously you are not familiar with the conditions of service in the Swedish army (note that this photo is of a US soldier). Anything goes.
Disclaimer: I’m a Finn and we hate the Swedes…

milkman 3:55 pm 11 May 13

Masquara said :

neanderthalsis said :

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the existing APS maternity leave entitlements are pretty much what the Abbott scheme is anyway?

Yep – a Canberra public servant on $150,000 a year gets a generous maternity leave period of several months on FULL PAY. A fact conveniently ignored by the kneejerkers on this thread!

It’s not their knees they’re jerking…

IrishPete 3:36 pm 11 May 13

Is that solider in the photo wearing make up, and is his hair tied back in a pony tail?

What is the world coming to?

IP

miz 2:21 pm 11 May 13

So what if the husband took the leave, and he earns more than the wife? Which ‘wage’ would the scheme pay?

Personally I think they are going to get themselves into a big tangle if they don’t go with a fixed rate.

DrKoresh 12:37 pm 11 May 13

chewy14 said :

Why don’t you post a link then Dr Koresh? Couldn’t be because ‘judging’ someone isn’t found anywhere in the definition, could it?

And seeing as you don’t know the meaning of ‘bigot’, i’m hardly surprised that you don’t know the meaning of ‘racism’ either.

“Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person’s race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.”-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

There, it sums up your feelings on the people ” [you] pass the Centrelink office or walk through a shopping centre on a workday.”, if you don’t understand what words like ‘prejudices’ mean then maybe you should stop talking as if you’ve got a degree in English Lit instead of just an internet connection and a semi-competent grasp of the English languge.

longshanks 10:31 am 11 May 13

DrKoresh said :

I’m still laughing at the idea that white people in Australia can experience racism. By the way, I double-checked the definition of ‘bigot’ and it does in fact extend to cover judging people by socio-economic status so I guess you’re the one who needs to brush-up on their pocket Macquarie, chewy.

I very much doubt that the victims of the infamous Sydney gang rapes would laugh with you on that one… Neither would a mate of mine who was attacked because of his skin colour while walking through Redfern… Or a friend of mine at uni who tried to get a waitressing job at a Canberra restaurant, and was told that they were really after an “Asian-looking” girl…

So while I agree that racism in this country tends to be more directed at non-whites, your scoffing attitude is a deliberate distortion of a complex reality. Or maybe you are simply pig-ignorant. Either way, you are the one who brought race into this particular debate, so maybe you are actually more part of the problem than you’d care to admit.

bearlikesbeer 9:23 am 11 May 13

DrKoresh said :

I’m still laughing at the idea that white people in Australia can experience racism.

When I moved to Australia, on my first day of high school here in Canberra, I was attacked by a group of Aboriginal boys and men (approx 16-21yo). They picked me out of a group of students sitting at a Manuka bus stop and attempted to rob me, going on about how I owed them money because of my skin colour. I was repeatedly punched in the head while they called me things like “white faggot c*nt”, and told me I wasn’t welcome in their school.

My parents and I met with the school principal to discuss the incident, as most of the Aboriginal kids involved were fellow students at my school. The principal informed us that little would be done by the school because the students involved were indigenous and the matter was therefor “culturally sensitive” in nature. My parents suggested getting the police involved. The principal felt that any action taken would probably just inflame the issue. The principal explained that Aborigines in the area occassionally targeted Anglo and Asian students for muggings and bashings, and advised me to avoid Manuka after school.

DrKoresh, do you feel what I experienced qualifies as racism?

chewy14 8:34 am 11 May 13

DrKoresh said :

I’m still laughing at the idea that white people in Australia can experience racism. By the way, I double-checked the definition of ‘bigot’ and it does in fact extend to cover judging people by socio-economic status so I guess you’re the one who needs to brush-up on their pocket Macquarie, chewy.

Why don’t you post a link then Dr Koresh? Couldn’t be because ‘judging’ someone isn’t found anywhere in the definition, could it?

And seeing as you don’t know the meaning of ‘bigot’, i’m hardly surprised that you don’t know the meaning of ‘racism’ either.

simsim 6:14 am 11 May 13

LSWCHP said :

OK JB, I have to ask the question. The pic for this post is (as far as I can tell) an American female soldier wearing body armour while servicing a Browning .50 cal heavy machine gun. What’s the relevance of the pic to the story of APS female staff potentially not being included in Mr Abbott’s new parental leave scheme? I’m trying to make the connection, but it’s just not happenin’ for me.

JB is presumably making a visual pun on the word “calibre”. As puns go, it’s … well, it’s not actually funny, but it does exist.

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