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Raider implicated in All Bar Nun fight Sunday night

By Thumper 23 July 2008 159

[First filed: July 22, 2008 @ 08:57
Second filing: July 22, 2008 @ 16:45]

Nothing online as yet but Raiders players, Bronx Goodwin and someone else, were allegedly involved in a scuffle at the All Bar Nun last night at around midnight. The allegations are that Goodwin king hit a patron who was attempting to alleviate the situation by leaving.

Let’s see if this gets pushed under the carpet.

[ED – The Herald Sun has more here]

UPDATED The Canberra Times is reporting that Carney and Goodwin have both been stood down pending an investigation. Way to ruin a season.

ANOTHER UPDATE: ABC radio is reporting that Todd Carney allegedly urinated on another patron of the bar.

Further Update: Bronx has apparently been charged with two counts of assault. Todd Carney has not been charged with any crime. Both players remain suspended until the board meets over the weekend. ABC has the report.

Apparently this is all a media beat-up according to Raider’s chairman John McIntyre. In turn he says the beatup is a testament to the popularity of Rugby League.

What’s Your opinion?


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peterh 2:38 pm 24 Jul 08

vg said :

“What we need is a tough local bikie bar where the thugs can go to start fights. The Rebels used to go to the Old Canberra Inn but I’m probably showing my age there.”

The Rebels are a tough bikie gang??? Oh my hat!

They make the Black Widows on ‘Any Which Way But Loose’ look like the board of BHP Billiton. Pretend bikies

ok, we will wait for your report of what they think of your comments, will we?

braver than me, and I live near a few. (not saying that they are bad blokes, but you should get to know them first – they are rough)

Mish_Mash 2:30 pm 24 Jul 08

ah kids with too much money….
Let them get apprentice wages and see how much trouble they cause.

these guys should behave differently than most people theyre age, they arent like most people theyre age. they been given a great talent and a fantastic opporunity and (pardon the pun) theyre pissing it up the wall.

and not to mention theyre major role models to thousands of young kids. shame

Wino 10:40 am 24 Jul 08

I don’t agree with the clubs handling of Carney (and his behavior), so I won’t be supporting the team until such time as I feel they are taking appropriate action (or he plays for another team).

Tooks 9:47 am 24 Jul 08

Looks like Dane Tilse’s mate has withdrawn his complaint, so Todd’s off the hook.

Holden Caulfield 10:23 pm 23 Jul 08

Deadmandrinking said :

…Holden, I understand your point, but…I mean, if I was earning 400k a year, it would not be halting my binge drinking, which in turn would not be halting my own stupid behaviour under the influence (although I’ve never pissed on anyone)…

Yep, I know what you’re saying too. While I firmly believe the player and club have a responsibility to their fans, their club and the greater good of the game that pays their wage, I also acknowledge that being told you’re the best thing since sliced bread since your early teens and into early adulthood doesn’t offer the best scenario for creating grounded individuals. Club cover ups, where able to be managed, don’t help either. (Ben Cousins has proven himself a complete tool, but he is a case in point here.) I don’t deny it may be hard for some of these guys, as it clearly is, esp in Carney’s case, but at some point personal responsibility has to kick in. For his/their own good. If it takes the club sacking him, or the NRL deregistering him, or whatever, then so be it.

Some blokes just can’t cope with the spotlight. Maybe Carney is one of those guys. He may be just better off earning an honest wage without the fame, I dunno. Something needs to click for him soon though, or else he’ll have a whole heap of regret to go with his wasted talent.

Deadmandrinking 10:09 pm 23 Jul 08

Well, I should admit it…this one time I was really drunk and we were at my mate’s car waiting for him to sober up enough. Then we all needed to piss. There’s apparently a law in the ACT where you can piss on the rear left tire of your car without being done for indecent exposure. We were all drunkenly aiming for the tire and I accidentally hit my mate’s shoe since he was further in than I was.

That’s why I said it’s plausible.

DJ 10:02 pm 23 Jul 08

Deadmandrinking said :

Aw, but Maelinar doesn’t want to reheat his popcorn.

Holden, I understand your point, but…I mean, if I was earning 400k a year, it would not be halting my binge drinking, which in turn would not be halting my own stupid behaviour under the influence (although I’ve never pissed on anyone).

Speaking of pissing, in the Canberra times it said Todd Carney did the deed in the bathroom. although I’m not defending the guy, it does make the possibility of it being an accident more plausible.

How many people you know have accidentally pissed on somebody? I don’t know anybody (nappy changing doesn’t count here) and I’ve been asking around!

Deadmandrinking 9:09 pm 23 Jul 08

Well, I don’t. There’s nothing that says Todd Carney does it either.

johnboy 9:05 pm 23 Jul 08

It’s not binge drinking if you do it every night.

It’s functional alcoholism.

Deadmandrinking 8:14 pm 23 Jul 08

Aw, but Maelinar doesn’t want to reheat his popcorn.

Holden, I understand your point, but…I mean, if I was earning 400k a year, it would not be halting my binge drinking, which in turn would not be halting my own stupid behaviour under the influence (although I’ve never pissed on anyone).

Speaking of pissing, in the Canberra times it said Todd Carney did the deed in the bathroom. although I’m not defending the guy, it does make the possibility of it being an accident more plausible.

johnboy 7:58 pm 23 Jul 08

Deadmandrinking said :

But obscenity can drive home good points. It’s proven.

Leaving points A, B, and C.

We’re not discussing it.

Holden Caulfield 7:53 pm 23 Jul 08

Oh, Carney is reported to have signed a $400K contract. If he was smart (haha) he would only need a 10-15 year career. If I was to earn $400k for 10 years you can bet your arse I wouldn’t be working after my 10 years were up.

Role models, public figures, whatever you want to call it, these guys should know that the spotlight is going to be on them. And, really, is it too much to ask not to be an arse when you go out and hit the turps? I’m sure there are plenty of people that would be willing to give up regular drinking sessions in return for playing a game while being paid a very handsome six figure salary.

Perspective must be completely skewed if people can’t see this.

Holden Caulfield 7:45 pm 23 Jul 08

Thumper said :

Yep,

Rugby is rugby, and rugby league is rugby league.

I too cringe when I hear people calling league, rugby, simply because it isn’t.

I hope you don’t refer to Aussie Rules as AFL then. 😉

Don’t mind me I’m just off to play some NRL with my mates, then I might squeeze in a spot of Super14s afterwards.

caf 7:39 pm 23 Jul 08

I nominate this for the poolroom: “ABC radio is reporting that Todd Carney allegedly urinated on another patron of the bar.”

Deadmandrinking 7:20 pm 23 Jul 08

But obscenity can drive home good points. It’s proven.

johnboy 7:15 pm 23 Jul 08

a) We do have readers who are under 18 (A surprising number of them actually).
b) Automated content filters.
c) Che’s mother.
d) If you can’t make your point without resorting to obscenity it’s probably not a very good point.

Deadmandrinking 7:03 pm 23 Jul 08

Why is this site even edited for language anyway? I thought we were all adults here. It’s the internet anyway – I think you’d be hard pressed to find sites that weren’t offensive in some manner.

Deadmandrinking 6:57 pm 23 Jul 08

johnboy said :

Frankly if your kids look up to Rugby League players you’ve got bigger problems as a parent than one incident on Sunday night.

I think it’s a little more complicated than that. Kids will look for role models of their own volition regardless of how good a parent you are. Looking up to Rugby Stars is not really such a bad thing, provided they are only looked up to for their sporting ability. Rugby is a healthy activity.

I think the media can be blamed sometimes for putting so much emphasis on the private lives of not just footballers, but movie stars, music stars and all kinds of celebrities.

I’m no rugby fan, I’m an AFL fan and I go for Collingwood. Do I care what Anthony Rocca did the last night he was on the piss? No. I don’t even know if he drinks. All I want him to do is play good footy.

The emphasis on the private lives of celebrities is always going to put some darker shades on the athletes/artists we love for what they do. This is because, from my experience, a vast majority of people are fuckwits in some way, especially when they’re on the piss. Bronx sounds like a violent f***wit when he’s on the piss, Carney sounds like a total f***wit when he’s on the piss. Yet on the field, I assume they’re very good. [ED – I’m sure I’ve got better things to do than star your language DMD]

Barring everything I just said though, Bronx is in shit, Carney looks like he might get off http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/23/2312411.htm

DJ 6:55 pm 23 Jul 08

There are plenty of professions where alcohol isn’t tolerated and looks like it is expanding every season!

JB, I disagree with you notion of having problems with kids looking up at players as role models. Why not? John Eales, James Hird, Peter Stirling and Andrew Gaze are all athletes that I would be happy to have my boys look up to as role models… who else do you suggest they emulate in sporting prowess? Bill Gates?

Public urinating is very common – go to the Magistrates Court any week and listen for the offence of “Offensive Behaviour” being read out over and over. To urinate on another isn’t so common.

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