Rape denied in the house of Hargreaves

johnboy 17 February 2009 71

The Canberra Times has a charmless story (running without byline) on the defence of Kevin John Jones, 50, who faced the court yesterday charged with raping his 19 year old cellmate at the Belconnen Remand Centre.

    “According to the alleged victim’s evidence, when his advances were rejected, Jones forced the 19-year-old down on to the bed face-first, removed his track pants and underwear, and raped him.

    ”He was telling me not to scream, that if I screamed he would bash me,” the alleged offender said…

    ”He told me that if I didn’t say nothing, he’d buy me a pouch of White Ox (tobacco), but if I told, he’d kill me,” he said.

Jones is claiming the alleged victim initiated proceedings.

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VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 10:39 am 18 Feb 09

I’d have thought they would jam people anywhere they would fit.

Ian Ian 10:37 am 18 Feb 09

You would hope that there is some sort of risk assessment before placing “at risk” prisoners in cells with others, eg young one with experienced older criminals who’ve done jail time before.

peterh peterh 10:33 am 18 Feb 09

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

C’mon guys, stop buggering the debate.

i think you did.

sod it.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 10:23 am 18 Feb 09

C’mon guys, stop buggering the debate.

johnboy johnboy 10:04 am 18 Feb 09

If you mob can’t confine your discussion to the topic at hand I will happily put you in moderation. PB’s apologised move on.

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 9:58 am 18 Feb 09

Oh, and I’ve already apologised to whoever Jim was taking offense on behalf of for any upset I may have caused them, so lets leave it there eh?

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 9:57 am 18 Feb 09

dexi said :

“Wry observation” of a rape that trivialises rape. Thanks PB.

No Dexi, try again, the observation that a fictional character with super powers would be difficult to rape, does not “trivialise rape” in any way. The observation that taking ones trousers off before taking ones pants down is the normal practice does not trivialise rape in any way.

dexi dexi 9:41 am 18 Feb 09

The Brad, I apologise for my Vitriol.

“Wry observation” of a rape that trivialises rape. Thanks PB.

Apologies to any one who I offended. I just call it as I see it.

The Brad its because you assumed you get to choose and that you get to control your response I called you a ####.

Sorry JB.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 9:25 am 18 Feb 09

Thanks Granny. Love your work and hope is all well in your world.

Granny Granny 9:59 pm 17 Feb 09

I have missed you, Jim Jones.

Granny Granny 9:58 pm 17 Feb 09

This is ridiculous. They should be making the same attempts to keep the prisoners safe as they do with the staff and visitors.

vg vg 7:28 pm 17 Feb 09

Bum sex in prison

Who would have guessed

gun street girl gun street girl 7:11 pm 17 Feb 09

Lady_from_Holt said :

We never hear the gruesome details when women get raped. Why all of a sudden is it okay for these type of details to come out when the victim is a man?

Perhaps it’s a reflection of the quality and sensationalism of the newspapers I read, but I would disagree entirely. Most newspapers go into more than enough detail regarding female rape cases. Google “Anita Cobby” if you don’t believe me.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 6:40 pm 17 Feb 09

That would never happen in Canberra. We have Public Servants running the show.

fnaah fnaah 5:34 pm 17 Feb 09

Nasty stuff for sure, but this is what happens in gaol. By definition, you have people in there who don’t function well in the general community.

I don’t really have a strong opinion about this, suffice to say that when you throw a bunch of lawless humans together in a confined space, you are going to get some nasty results. All the moral outrage in the world won’t solve that.

Ever heard of the Stanford Prison Experiment? Sometimes the space is to blame for the lawlessness.

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 4:35 pm 17 Feb 09

p1 said :

If it wasn’t a joke, what the hell was it?

At best a slightly surreal, wry observation. For it to have been a “rape joke” it would at least have had to have some sort of punchline.

But, on the off chance that whoever it was that Jim was taking offense on behalf this time, of was upset by it, I offer my apologies in any case.

peterh peterh 4:13 pm 17 Feb 09

johnboy said :

Secondly, the reason for reporting this is that it is both horrific and happening right here in Canberra literally a stone’s throw from the Belconnen Mall.

If you find that distasteful I humbly suggest you should consider doing something to prevent the actions, rather than the reporting on them.

Finally, for mine, I doubt Clea Rose would be happy that someone was being allegedly raped in her name.

agreed JB. regardless of what the remanded felon did, it is not the right of another felon to abuse them. that should have been noted by the centre when putting the two men in the same cell. If the 50yo has had a history of this kind of behaviour, for all we know it is why they are in there in the first place, (I don’t know why he is there, just surmising) why put him in with a younger man, probably weaker in stature than him?

maybe the ACT judiciary needs to find out why the new gaol isn’t open, and take the act govt to task about getting it open quickly? at least then there would be a cell per inmate, not two per cell.

starting to get a bit annoyed at the time it has taken to construct the gaol, it looks like it is nearly finished, when will they allow inmates in?

FC FC 3:56 pm 17 Feb 09

Special G – fair enough – I now understand the point you say you were trying to get accross. I first thought your post implied that we would somehow not be outraged by rape if it was the driver of the Clea Rose incident, which offended as sexual assault is never justified or ok.

The Brad The Brad 3:30 pm 17 Feb 09

Special G said :

Ms Rose’s killer was simply an example who might be about that age now. Think of the paedolphile threads etc where calls for people to be locked up with bubba are a regular thing.

FWIW, only one of the passengers would be 19 today, and he got a two-year good behaviour bond on 10 March 2006. The driver was 13 at the time, and that was 3 years ago.

So, this is someone else.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy 3:27 pm 17 Feb 09

It’s an interesting argument about whether we take away someone’s ability to protect themself when we lock them up. We need to be careful, since completely isolating people is quite detrimental to their mental health.

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