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Ratepayers association joins forces with the Liberals on that tripling thing

By johnboy 6 October 2012 32

So at 9.32 this morning the Ratepayers Association of the ACT issued a media release supporting the Liberals on the vexed issue of rate rises in the place of stamp duty:

Budget papers do not lie, at least the 2011-12 ones don’t. The figures show that rates would have to triple in order to abolish stamp duties.

Labor has refused to provide actual projections for individual ratepayers of what they can expect to pay, in today’s dollar terms, in the coming years for their property rates bills despite having a whole departments modelling of how it will happen. It’s very simple arithmetic take current average UCVs and multiple by the rating factor required to abolish stamp duties and you have the answer on a property by property basis.

If Labor wants to be believed all it has to do is publish what every individual property owner is entitled to know, before the upcoming election. Residents (ratepayers, tenants, boarders and people in share accommodation) all are entitled to know what their costs are going to be.

By 10:25 Zed’s team had replied:

Today’s statement from the ACT Ratepayers and Property Owners Association is proof that rates will triple under a Labor/Greens Government, ACT Opposition Leader Zed Seselja said today.

“The simple mathematics of this tax reform doesn?t lie,” Mr Seselja said.

“ACT Labor is phasing out stamp duty by replacing it with rates. This will triple rates by making households pay stamp duty every few years, forever.

“The numbers are blatantly obvious but Andrew Barr – who considers the family home a “tax haven? – isn?t being honest with Canberrans about his plans.

“I welcome today?s statement from the ACT Ratepayers and Properly Owners Association which gives Canberrans the truth about this tax grab. This is an independent organisation that exists only to protect the interests of ratepayers.

Handy that.

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housebound 3:59 pm 16 Oct 12

HenryBG said :

basketcase said :

What gets me is I have already paid my stamp duty, now they want me to pay it again. Mob of crooks.

Ah, but think of all those property investors who pay stamp duty all the time – they’ll be happy the rest of us are to be funding their landlordism.

Looks to me this is game set and match to the Libs: Rates *will* have to triple in order to cover the non-collection of Stamp Duty.

The ALP is being shifty with the costings because they want to keep pushing their lie for one more week.

Someone told me those those investors can claim it back off tax anyway. Apparently it’s because of some nuance with our leasehold system.

HenryBG 2:42 pm 16 Oct 12

basketcase said :

What gets me is I have already paid my stamp duty, now they want me to pay it again. Mob of crooks.

Ah, but think of all those property investors who pay stamp duty all the time – they’ll be happy the rest of us are to be funding their landlordism.

Looks to me this is game set and match to the Libs: Rates *will* have to triple in order to cover the non-collection of Stamp Duty.

The ALP is being shifty with the costings because they want to keep pushing their lie for one more week.

devils_advocate 2:38 pm 16 Oct 12

Jethro said :

pepmeup said :

If you are going to come on here and astroturf for the Liberal Party, at least try to avoid doing a Mitt Romney and don’t denigrate people who aren’t as wealthy as you.

Or assume that everyone chooses to spend a large chunk of their income on a residential property that they live in.

Pro tip: for everyone that “worked a little harder”, there are a bunch more people who probably didn’t work as hard, but have a bit more investment sense and common sense and consequently have both more income, more assets and a better quality of life than wannabe status-seekers like pepmeup.

Frustrated said :

Who the hell are the Ratepayers Asociation of the ACT?

I wasn’t asked for any particular person to represent me as a ratepayer, sounds like a scam.

I am not a member, they have never made contact with me as a ratepayer.

I would recommend reviewing their website – http://www.poaa.asn.au/act/

*Membership*

Property owners in the ACT are welcome to receive our regular newsletter and are encouraged to provide input and feedback on all issues effecting property owners in the ACT.

Membership of the POAACT is limited to Committee members.’

*Executive Committee*
Executive Committee

President

Peter Jansen

And that is it. No credibility.

Innovation 7:36 am 08 Oct 12

Labor would have been better off announcing that they would halve stamp duty over time and recouping lost revenue from an increase to rates and other services. They could have always come back in the future to review what to do with the remaining stamp duty revenue.

Labor might be quite honorable but the lack of any definite information for each property owner as to what their future payments might be and when and Labor’s perceived failure to lock in time frames is making a lot of people very nervous. I’m not a fan of the Libs but I can see how their scare campaign is getting traction.

Duffbowl 10:31 pm 07 Oct 12

LSWCHP said :

As it turned out, the “association” was just one guy who liked writing letters to politicians. He had a couple of friends who would get together a few times a year to have a “committee meeting” or an “AGM” and elect office bearers etc in order to satisfy the legal rules for being an association.

The joy is, you don’t need to have a committee, general meetings, etc. to be an association in the ACT. So, in practice, someone could set up an association called, say, “Canberra Ratepayers Association”, apply for that name through the normal business methods, and it would be all good. Hmm, I wonder if I could sell my opinion to the highest bidder. 🙂

Now, if you want to incorporate an association, that’s a whole different bucket of fish…

djk 8:32 pm 07 Oct 12

Peter Jansen just appears to be a former Liberal candidate who setup an “association” whose sole purpose is to be quoted by the Libs when they want to critise Labor about something to do with rates or housing.

What a huge surprise “they” are backing the Libs…

LSWCHP 4:14 pm 07 Oct 12

Frustrated said :

In response to my question about who the Rate payers association represent, i received from the following from a Mr Peter Jensen.

Good morning Stephen

You are not on our list of supporters, would you like me to add your name so that you can have some constructive input?

Thanks

Peter Jansen

Supporter?

Where does this fit in with representing me as a ratepayer!

In other words, this association represents nobody but the individual’s running it!

There was an association in the ACT back in the 1990’s called the Association for Public Policy Oversight or something like that. It used to send off long missives to politicians of all stripes on fancy letterhead paper and seemed very impressive. As it turned out, the “association” was just one guy who liked writing letters to politicians. He had a couple of friends who would get together a few times a year to have a “committee meeting” or an “AGM” and elect office bearers etc in order to satisfy the legal rules for being an association. But really, it was just one guy with a variety of axes to grind.

So, the Ratepayers Association (which I’ve never heard of, and doesn’t represent me either) could be anything from that sort of scam on upwards. I would be mildly interested to know how many members the association has.

milkman 3:45 pm 07 Oct 12

Frustrated said :

In response to my question about who the Rate payers association represent, i received from the following from a Mr Peter Jensen.

Good morning Stephen

You are not on our list of supporters, would you like me to add your name so that you can have some constructive input?

Thanks

Peter Jansen

Supporter?

Where does this fit in with representing me as a ratepayer!

In other words, this association represents nobody but the individual’s running it!

What were you expecting? Something for nothing?

Gungahlin Al 3:32 pm 07 Oct 12

Frustrated said :

Who the hell are the Ratepayers Asociation of the ACT

Who indeed? More than five years leading a Community Council plus attending Combined Community Council forums – never heard of this “association”…

Frustrated 11:23 am 07 Oct 12

In response to my question about who the Rate payers association represent, i received from the following from a Mr Peter Jensen.

Good morning Stephen

You are not on our list of supporters, would you like me to add your name so that you can have some constructive input?

Thanks

Peter Jansen

Supporter?

Where does this fit in with representing me as a ratepayer!

In other words, this association represents nobody but the individual’s running it!

Frustrated 10:14 am 07 Oct 12

Who the hell are the Ratepayers Asociation of the ACT?

I wasn’t asked for any particular person to represent me as a ratepayer, sounds like a scam.

I am not a member, they have never made contact with me as a ratepayer.

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