RBT Camera Locations. A facebook group waiting for the takedown.

johnboy 6 July 2011 72

To add to the annals of “bad ideas for using facebook” we can now add Canberra’s RBT/Camera Locations.

At the time of writing 848 enthusiastic facebookers are posting away.


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00davist 00davist 11:26 am 08 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

No, I’m simply pointing out that you just cant seem to take resposability for your actions.

I’m not better than everyone; I simply have the intelligence to avoid fines that you get!

No matter what you say it won’t change the facts:

1- You choose to speed
2-you suffer the consequence

Quit trying to justify a criminal act!

Postalgeek Postalgeek 11:17 am 08 Jul 11

Aw c’mon, lay off Mr Gillespie. I’ve found his arguments to be extremely persuasive. Having demonstrated the mentality of some drivers on our roads, Mr Gillespie has convinced me that I need to, extremely reluctantly, write to my local member and concede that speed limits need to be lowered a further 10kph.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 9:45 am 08 Jul 11

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mr Gillespie said :

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

Are you interested in finding out what your posts make you look like?

Opinion on the matter is divided, everyone thinks Mr G is an utter fool, while he disagrees.

colourful sydney racing identity colourful sydney racing identity 9:14 am 08 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

Are you interested in finding out what your posts make you look like?

Mr Gillespie Mr Gillespie 8:43 am 08 Jul 11

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

Innovation Innovation 8:33 am 08 Jul 11

#63 Angelina typed “Although 99.9% of what crazy Mr Gillespie says (in any post) is utter crap, I do agree with his point that people driving below the speed limit whenever they happen upon a speed camera is very annoying.”

I may have missed this as I don’t tend to give Mr G’s posts much attention any more but I think his point was more about people who generally drive below the speed limit. I do agree with you though that it is irritating when people overcompensate near speed cameras. Also, it would be nice if people with a queue of cars behind them on single lane roads occasionally pulled over to let them pass (especially if they are “substantially” below the speed limit) and it is irritating when people drive in the right hand lane at what they regard is the speed limit to try to force others behind them to do the same. However, everyone should be allowed to drive below the speed limit and we should all simply take a breath and assume that they have a genuine reason for doing so.

As an aside it is irritating when people sit in the right hand lane for no apparent reason but it is equally as irritating when I’m in the right hand lane, trying to leave sufficient clearance in front of the car in the left lane before I move to the left, only to be cut off on the inside by a car behind me that can’t wait for me to change lanes. I’ve have even had my indictor on sometimes and the car behind me still couldn’t wait. If your partner is a truckie, I’m sure he gets annoyed by those that don’t leave him enough clearance when they pull in front of him.

#63 Angelina also typed “And people who are so close to the lights when they go orange that they should just go through but change their minds and absolutely slam the breaks at the very last minute are even worse.”

I’m sorry but if someone thinks that they can safely stop at an orange light they should do so (they should be checking their mirror though to make sure that they don’t get cleaned up from behind). Surely the driver behind (who is presumably at least 3+ metres plus 3 seconds behind) would have to stop anyway so all that they have had to do is stop 3 metres earlier. If the driver behind gets annoyed then I’m guessing that they haven’t left enough clearance from the car in front.

Watson Watson 7:17 am 08 Jul 11

Angelina said :

Although 99.9% of what crazy Mr Gillespie says (in any post) is utter crap, I do agree with his point that people driving below the speed limit whenever they happen upon a speed camera is very annoying. So often when I drive past any one of the speed cameras on the highway the git in front of me slows down to 10 or 20 below the speed limit. Worse, someone in the right lane will slow down and screw up everyone trying to merge in. Idiots. 80 is 80, not 70.

And people who are so close to the lights when they go orange that they should just go through but change their minds and absolutely slam the breaks at the very last minute are even worse. But I fail to see how these points that he’s made have anything to do with this facebook group.

As long as it’s not against the law to post this information I really don’t see a problem with it. I can’t imagine the losers that can be bothered to crawl all over the internet before they hop in the car so they can speed and drink drive freely wont get caught doing something even dumber eventually anyway.

At the end of the day if people do know where the cameras are and this causes them not to speed well that’s a good thing, they’re not speeding. It’s no ones damn business why. My husbands got a CB in his truck and gets all this information anyway so I don’t suppose thats any different.

The people who will be checking this site for speed camera info, are most likely the people who regard consistent speeding without getting caught as a sport. But the speed camera location posts are pretty harmless, I agree.

RBTs are different matter though. Because it means that people DUI can take an alternative route to not get caught. I just don’t think that’s a great idea.

PS: When I talked about stopping in front of an orange light, I meant that I used to consistently speed up to get through the orange, ie. when I could’ve quite easily slowed down and stopped. I still don’t slam on the brakes before an orange light, but now use them as they’re supposed to be used, ie. stop when I can and when it is not dangerous to do so. If I can coast through at the same speed I was doing, I will do so.

Watson Watson 6:51 am 08 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh!!!! So, you “should have” been so perfect to notice one of the many signs strewn about the place (often contradicting each other), and you “should have” waited for that green light to go red, ay?

Yes, well, there’s ya problem.

Think about it.

Y’see — this is the kind of frustration of being caught behind people like you stopping in front of me in front of green lights that make me dig my heels in even further about the enforcement of speed restrictions in such circumstances.

Orange. Y’see, there’s green, ORANGE and red. If you can’t cope with someone in front of you stopping in front of an orange light – as they are required to by law – you really do have a big problem.

And yes, if you miss speed signs, no matter how small they are, you are not as safe a driver as you could be and it’s your fault. But it would be good practice to let the authorities know that they’re too small.

Mr Gillespie said :

Have you ever taken road rage into the equation when dealing with this argument? I mean, have you ever thought about being stuck behind a moron doing 20ks under the limit on a single lane road for kilometres? That’s road rage, and to that end, I consider it most inflammatory people like some of the posters in this forum who call for people to flood speed camera whistleblower websites with misleading information.

Think. Just think for a second. Instead of putting me down, *again*?

Not quite sure what you are trying to say here at all but my road rage is limited to loudly yelling profanities behind the wheel and calling strangers idiots. If it ever starts interfering with my actual driving, I will sell my car.

Tooks Tooks 2:09 am 08 Jul 11

I caught the fish I was after. Thanks Mr g, very amusing as always. I might get started on those fake Facebook accounts…

Angelina Angelina 10:42 pm 07 Jul 11

Although 99.9% of what crazy Mr Gillespie says (in any post) is utter crap, I do agree with his point that people driving below the speed limit whenever they happen upon a speed camera is very annoying. So often when I drive past any one of the speed cameras on the highway the git in front of me slows down to 10 or 20 below the speed limit. Worse, someone in the right lane will slow down and screw up everyone trying to merge in. Idiots. 80 is 80, not 70.

And people who are so close to the lights when they go orange that they should just go through but change their minds and absolutely slam the breaks at the very last minute are even worse. But I fail to see how these points that he’s made have anything to do with this facebook group.

As long as it’s not against the law to post this information I really don’t see a problem with it. I can’t imagine the losers that can be bothered to crawl all over the internet before they hop in the car so they can speed and drink drive freely wont get caught doing something even dumber eventually anyway.

At the end of the day if people do know where the cameras are and this causes them not to speed well that’s a good thing, they’re not speeding. It’s no ones damn business why. My husbands got a CB in his truck and gets all this information anyway so I don’t suppose thats any different.

00davist 00davist 10:09 pm 07 Jul 11

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Mr Gillespie Mr Gillespie 9:23 pm 07 Jul 11

Classified said :

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

I quite like this idea. It’s almost be worth creating a facebook account.

Do that, and expect to be blocked. You will be caught out as a hoaxer. If you “like the idea” of causing paranoia, then you really need your head read.

Watson said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Are you so perfect that you have never, ever gone over the speed limit in your entire life??

Aarrggghh! There is noone here who claims that they’ve never driven over the speed limit! But I am guessing that most are like me in that they do not intentionally do so. Let alone because they have some childish gripe about unfair speed limits. And most drivers who get caught accidentally exceeding the speed limit, just pay the fine without whingeing because those are the rules and they acknowledge that they should’ve paid more attention to speed limit signs and/or the speedo.

I’ve been caught speeding, I paid the fine, then I thought about what had caused me to go over the speed limit and adjusted my driving behaviour accordingly to ensure it wouldn’t happen again – in or outside the speed cameras’ range. In hindsight I was even glad that I got caught because I didn’t realise that I often sped up that much to get through the orange and now I’ve corrected that behaviour, I am a safer driver.

Oh!!!! So, you “should have” been so perfect to notice one of the many signs strewn about the place (often contradicting each other), and you “should have” waited for that green light to go red, ay?

Yes, well, there’s ya problem.

Think about it.

Y’see — this is the kind of frustration of being caught behind people like you stopping in front of me in front of green lights that make me dig my heels in even further about the enforcement of speed restrictions in such circumstances.

Have you ever taken road rage into the equation when dealing with this argument? I mean, have you ever thought about being stuck behind a moron doing 20ks under the limit on a single lane road for kilometres? That’s road rage, and to that end, I consider it most inflammatory people like some of the posters in this forum who call for people to flood speed camera whistleblower websites with misleading information.

Think. Just think for a second. Instead of putting me down, *again*?

Watson Watson 8:42 pm 07 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

Are you so perfect that you have never, ever gone over the speed limit in your entire life??

Aarrggghh! There is noone here who claims that they’ve never driven over the speed limit! But I am guessing that most are like me in that they do not intentionally do so. Let alone because they have some childish gripe about unfair speed limits. And most drivers who get caught accidentally exceeding the speed limit, just pay the fine without whingeing because those are the rules and they acknowledge that they should’ve paid more attention to speed limit signs and/or the speedo.

I’ve been caught speeding, I paid the fine, then I thought about what had caused me to go over the speed limit and adjusted my driving behaviour accordingly to ensure it wouldn’t happen again – in or outside the speed cameras’ range. In hindsight I was even glad that I got caught because I didn’t realise that I often sped up that much to get through the orange and now I’ve corrected that behaviour, I am a safer driver.

Spideydog Spideydog 8:26 pm 07 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

Are you so perfect that you have never, ever gone over the speed limit in your entire life??

That has nothing to do with any of the argument we have had. For the record, if I was to go over the speed limit and was caught, I would take my deserved punishment and pay the bloody fine.

Mr Gillespie said :

Also, tickets contested in court incur COURT COSTS, did you know that??

Yup, I am very well aware of COURT COSTS. If you have a good enough case and have it dismissed, court costs can (may) be awarded against the prosecution. In any case, court costs are a smidgen of what a lowest speeding fine is (unless you employ the service of a lawyer). Buuuut, you wouldn’t be in this dilemma if you weren’t caught speeding in the first place 🙂

Classified Classified 8:00 pm 07 Jul 11

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

I quite like this idea. It’s almost be worth creating a facebook account.

Mr Gillespie Mr Gillespie 7:54 pm 07 Jul 11

Spideydog #55

Seeing as you are so determined to insist on reading into what I say all the time, how about I read into what you say by asking this:

Are you so perfect that you have never, ever gone over the speed limit in your entire life??

Also, tickets contested in court incur COURT COSTS, did you know that??

Henry82 #56

I do not advocate drink-driving. Unfortunately, that Facebook site lumps RBT into the same category as speed enforcement. I do not agree with that particular part of that Facebook site. I trust you understand this in more than the black-and-white ways my previous posts have been interpreted.

Henry82 Henry82 7:25 pm 07 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

Pity said :

… voluntary tax.

What a load of bullshit.

Nobody is forcing you to speed or get behind the wheel while drunk. In fact, you could buy a Reva, or a bicycle.

Spideydog Spideydog 7:24 pm 07 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

Yeah yeah yeah yeah Spideydog, but call it what you like.

This has already been discussed, and I make no apology for what I have said. It is revenue raising. It is NOT voluntary. You are REQUIRED to pay the fine on the sayso of a device that alleges it was you and you were doing such and such a speed. YOU DO NOT HAVE A SAY, ie. NO OPPORTUNITY TO PLEAD GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY. If the police officer has decided you are guilty, THAT IS IT, YOU MUST PAY UP. IT IS NOT VOLUNTARY.

Don’t speed, don’t pay the tax…..well……you can argue all you like, till you’re blue in the face, but I will NOT BACK DOWN. It is revenue-raising, it is NOT voluntary once you are ticketed (whether you are guilty or not) and that is that.

End of story, end of discussion, no ifs, and no buts.

What a load of dribble. You have every opportunity to plead guilty or not guilty. All tickets can be contested in court.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head telling you to speed, so yes, completely voluntary. Its funny, I’ve driven through speed cameras all over the country for quite a few years almost daily and these supposed trickster cameras, plagued with errors, have never snapped me ……..

Watson Watson 7:02 pm 07 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

Yeah yeah yeah yeah Spideydog, but call it what you like.

This has already been discussed, and I make no apology for what I have said. It is revenue raising. It is NOT voluntary. You are REQUIRED to pay the fine on the sayso of a device that alleges it was you and you were doing such and such a speed. YOU DO NOT HAVE A SAY, ie. NO OPPORTUNITY TO PLEAD GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY. If the police officer has decided you are guilty, THAT IS IT, YOU MUST PAY UP. IT IS NOT VOLUNTARY.

Don’t speed, don’t pay the tax…..well……you can argue all you like, till you’re blue in the face, but I will NOT BACK DOWN. It is revenue-raising, it is NOT voluntary once you are ticketed (whether you are guilty or not) and that is that.

End of story, end of discussion, no ifs, and no buts.

But… If…

You obviously already know the avenues to follow to contest whether it was you or not committing the offense. As for whether the camera gets your speed right, you can lodge a complaint if you think you weren’t exceeding the speed limit and if it’s backed up by other similar complaints, you’d win that case too.

But your point seems to always be more about having the right to break the road rules if you perceive that they are not fair. Which is downright ludicrous.

Pity Pity 6:59 pm 07 Jul 11

Well Mr G, I respect your opinion and thank you for contributing extra money to the ACT government. I’m sure I will benefit in some small way.

It wouldn’t surprise me if some drink drivers check their Facebook account whilst driving and get an extra fine (Unfortunately risking others lives too).

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