6 July 2011

RBT Camera Locations. A facebook group waiting for the takedown.

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To add to the annals of “bad ideas for using facebook” we can now add Canberra’s RBT/Camera Locations.

At the time of writing 848 enthusiastic facebookers are posting away.

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Mr Gillespie said :

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

No, I’m simply pointing out that you just cant seem to take resposability for your actions.

I’m not better than everyone; I simply have the intelligence to avoid fines that you get!

No matter what you say it won’t change the facts:

1- You choose to speed
2-you suffer the consequence

Quit trying to justify a criminal act!

Aw c’mon, lay off Mr Gillespie. I’ve found his arguments to be extremely persuasive. Having demonstrated the mentality of some drivers on our roads, Mr Gillespie has convinced me that I need to, extremely reluctantly, write to my local member and concede that speed limits need to be lowered a further 10kph.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mr Gillespie said :

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

Are you interested in finding out what your posts make you look like?

Opinion on the matter is divided, everyone thinks Mr G is an utter fool, while he disagrees.

colourful sydney racing identity9:14 am 08 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

Are you interested in finding out what your posts make you look like?

Mr Gillespie8:43 am 08 Jul 11

00davist said :

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Oh, riiiiiight!, so…… what you’re saying is, you’re the adult who thinks you’re bigger and better than everybody else, by mouthing off this way?

Yes?

Sorry, but that makes YOU look like nothing more than a bully.

#63 Angelina typed “Although 99.9% of what crazy Mr Gillespie says (in any post) is utter crap, I do agree with his point that people driving below the speed limit whenever they happen upon a speed camera is very annoying.”

I may have missed this as I don’t tend to give Mr G’s posts much attention any more but I think his point was more about people who generally drive below the speed limit. I do agree with you though that it is irritating when people overcompensate near speed cameras. Also, it would be nice if people with a queue of cars behind them on single lane roads occasionally pulled over to let them pass (especially if they are “substantially” below the speed limit) and it is irritating when people drive in the right hand lane at what they regard is the speed limit to try to force others behind them to do the same. However, everyone should be allowed to drive below the speed limit and we should all simply take a breath and assume that they have a genuine reason for doing so.

As an aside it is irritating when people sit in the right hand lane for no apparent reason but it is equally as irritating when I’m in the right hand lane, trying to leave sufficient clearance in front of the car in the left lane before I move to the left, only to be cut off on the inside by a car behind me that can’t wait for me to change lanes. I’ve have even had my indictor on sometimes and the car behind me still couldn’t wait. If your partner is a truckie, I’m sure he gets annoyed by those that don’t leave him enough clearance when they pull in front of him.

#63 Angelina also typed “And people who are so close to the lights when they go orange that they should just go through but change their minds and absolutely slam the breaks at the very last minute are even worse.”

I’m sorry but if someone thinks that they can safely stop at an orange light they should do so (they should be checking their mirror though to make sure that they don’t get cleaned up from behind). Surely the driver behind (who is presumably at least 3+ metres plus 3 seconds behind) would have to stop anyway so all that they have had to do is stop 3 metres earlier. If the driver behind gets annoyed then I’m guessing that they haven’t left enough clearance from the car in front.

Angelina said :

Although 99.9% of what crazy Mr Gillespie says (in any post) is utter crap, I do agree with his point that people driving below the speed limit whenever they happen upon a speed camera is very annoying. So often when I drive past any one of the speed cameras on the highway the git in front of me slows down to 10 or 20 below the speed limit. Worse, someone in the right lane will slow down and screw up everyone trying to merge in. Idiots. 80 is 80, not 70.

And people who are so close to the lights when they go orange that they should just go through but change their minds and absolutely slam the breaks at the very last minute are even worse. But I fail to see how these points that he’s made have anything to do with this facebook group.

As long as it’s not against the law to post this information I really don’t see a problem with it. I can’t imagine the losers that can be bothered to crawl all over the internet before they hop in the car so they can speed and drink drive freely wont get caught doing something even dumber eventually anyway.

At the end of the day if people do know where the cameras are and this causes them not to speed well that’s a good thing, they’re not speeding. It’s no ones damn business why. My husbands got a CB in his truck and gets all this information anyway so I don’t suppose thats any different.

The people who will be checking this site for speed camera info, are most likely the people who regard consistent speeding without getting caught as a sport. But the speed camera location posts are pretty harmless, I agree.

RBTs are different matter though. Because it means that people DUI can take an alternative route to not get caught. I just don’t think that’s a great idea.

PS: When I talked about stopping in front of an orange light, I meant that I used to consistently speed up to get through the orange, ie. when I could’ve quite easily slowed down and stopped. I still don’t slam on the brakes before an orange light, but now use them as they’re supposed to be used, ie. stop when I can and when it is not dangerous to do so. If I can coast through at the same speed I was doing, I will do so.

Mr Gillespie said :

Oh!!!! So, you “should have” been so perfect to notice one of the many signs strewn about the place (often contradicting each other), and you “should have” waited for that green light to go red, ay?

Yes, well, there’s ya problem.

Think about it.

Y’see — this is the kind of frustration of being caught behind people like you stopping in front of me in front of green lights that make me dig my heels in even further about the enforcement of speed restrictions in such circumstances.

Orange. Y’see, there’s green, ORANGE and red. If you can’t cope with someone in front of you stopping in front of an orange light – as they are required to by law – you really do have a big problem.

And yes, if you miss speed signs, no matter how small they are, you are not as safe a driver as you could be and it’s your fault. But it would be good practice to let the authorities know that they’re too small.

Mr Gillespie said :

Have you ever taken road rage into the equation when dealing with this argument? I mean, have you ever thought about being stuck behind a moron doing 20ks under the limit on a single lane road for kilometres? That’s road rage, and to that end, I consider it most inflammatory people like some of the posters in this forum who call for people to flood speed camera whistleblower websites with misleading information.

Think. Just think for a second. Instead of putting me down, *again*?

Not quite sure what you are trying to say here at all but my road rage is limited to loudly yelling profanities behind the wheel and calling strangers idiots. If it ever starts interfering with my actual driving, I will sell my car.

I caught the fish I was after. Thanks Mr g, very amusing as always. I might get started on those fake Facebook accounts…

Although 99.9% of what crazy Mr Gillespie says (in any post) is utter crap, I do agree with his point that people driving below the speed limit whenever they happen upon a speed camera is very annoying. So often when I drive past any one of the speed cameras on the highway the git in front of me slows down to 10 or 20 below the speed limit. Worse, someone in the right lane will slow down and screw up everyone trying to merge in. Idiots. 80 is 80, not 70.

And people who are so close to the lights when they go orange that they should just go through but change their minds and absolutely slam the breaks at the very last minute are even worse. But I fail to see how these points that he’s made have anything to do with this facebook group.

As long as it’s not against the law to post this information I really don’t see a problem with it. I can’t imagine the losers that can be bothered to crawl all over the internet before they hop in the car so they can speed and drink drive freely wont get caught doing something even dumber eventually anyway.

At the end of the day if people do know where the cameras are and this causes them not to speed well that’s a good thing, they’re not speeding. It’s no ones damn business why. My husbands got a CB in his truck and gets all this information anyway so I don’t suppose thats any different.

Ahh, MrG, predictable as ever.

A Child, Chucking a tantrum, because you got caught being naughty, and now you want someone else to blame.

You sir, are pathetic!

No If’s, No But’s, full stop, end of discussion!

Mr Gillespie9:23 pm 07 Jul 11

Classified said :

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

I quite like this idea. It’s almost be worth creating a facebook account.

Do that, and expect to be blocked. You will be caught out as a hoaxer. If you “like the idea” of causing paranoia, then you really need your head read.

Watson said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Are you so perfect that you have never, ever gone over the speed limit in your entire life??

Aarrggghh! There is noone here who claims that they’ve never driven over the speed limit! But I am guessing that most are like me in that they do not intentionally do so. Let alone because they have some childish gripe about unfair speed limits. And most drivers who get caught accidentally exceeding the speed limit, just pay the fine without whingeing because those are the rules and they acknowledge that they should’ve paid more attention to speed limit signs and/or the speedo.

I’ve been caught speeding, I paid the fine, then I thought about what had caused me to go over the speed limit and adjusted my driving behaviour accordingly to ensure it wouldn’t happen again – in or outside the speed cameras’ range. In hindsight I was even glad that I got caught because I didn’t realise that I often sped up that much to get through the orange and now I’ve corrected that behaviour, I am a safer driver.

Oh!!!! So, you “should have” been so perfect to notice one of the many signs strewn about the place (often contradicting each other), and you “should have” waited for that green light to go red, ay?

Yes, well, there’s ya problem.

Think about it.

Y’see — this is the kind of frustration of being caught behind people like you stopping in front of me in front of green lights that make me dig my heels in even further about the enforcement of speed restrictions in such circumstances.

Have you ever taken road rage into the equation when dealing with this argument? I mean, have you ever thought about being stuck behind a moron doing 20ks under the limit on a single lane road for kilometres? That’s road rage, and to that end, I consider it most inflammatory people like some of the posters in this forum who call for people to flood speed camera whistleblower websites with misleading information.

Think. Just think for a second. Instead of putting me down, *again*?

Mr Gillespie said :

Are you so perfect that you have never, ever gone over the speed limit in your entire life??

Aarrggghh! There is noone here who claims that they’ve never driven over the speed limit! But I am guessing that most are like me in that they do not intentionally do so. Let alone because they have some childish gripe about unfair speed limits. And most drivers who get caught accidentally exceeding the speed limit, just pay the fine without whingeing because those are the rules and they acknowledge that they should’ve paid more attention to speed limit signs and/or the speedo.

I’ve been caught speeding, I paid the fine, then I thought about what had caused me to go over the speed limit and adjusted my driving behaviour accordingly to ensure it wouldn’t happen again – in or outside the speed cameras’ range. In hindsight I was even glad that I got caught because I didn’t realise that I often sped up that much to get through the orange and now I’ve corrected that behaviour, I am a safer driver.

Mr Gillespie said :

Are you so perfect that you have never, ever gone over the speed limit in your entire life??

That has nothing to do with any of the argument we have had. For the record, if I was to go over the speed limit and was caught, I would take my deserved punishment and pay the bloody fine.

Mr Gillespie said :

Also, tickets contested in court incur COURT COSTS, did you know that??

Yup, I am very well aware of COURT COSTS. If you have a good enough case and have it dismissed, court costs can (may) be awarded against the prosecution. In any case, court costs are a smidgen of what a lowest speeding fine is (unless you employ the service of a lawyer). Buuuut, you wouldn’t be in this dilemma if you weren’t caught speeding in the first place 🙂

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

I quite like this idea. It’s almost be worth creating a facebook account.

Mr Gillespie7:54 pm 07 Jul 11

Spideydog #55

Seeing as you are so determined to insist on reading into what I say all the time, how about I read into what you say by asking this:

Are you so perfect that you have never, ever gone over the speed limit in your entire life??

Also, tickets contested in court incur COURT COSTS, did you know that??

Henry82 #56

I do not advocate drink-driving. Unfortunately, that Facebook site lumps RBT into the same category as speed enforcement. I do not agree with that particular part of that Facebook site. I trust you understand this in more than the black-and-white ways my previous posts have been interpreted.

Mr Gillespie said :

Pity said :

… voluntary tax.

What a load of bullshit.

Nobody is forcing you to speed or get behind the wheel while drunk. In fact, you could buy a Reva, or a bicycle.

Mr Gillespie said :

Yeah yeah yeah yeah Spideydog, but call it what you like.

This has already been discussed, and I make no apology for what I have said. It is revenue raising. It is NOT voluntary. You are REQUIRED to pay the fine on the sayso of a device that alleges it was you and you were doing such and such a speed. YOU DO NOT HAVE A SAY, ie. NO OPPORTUNITY TO PLEAD GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY. If the police officer has decided you are guilty, THAT IS IT, YOU MUST PAY UP. IT IS NOT VOLUNTARY.

Don’t speed, don’t pay the tax…..well……you can argue all you like, till you’re blue in the face, but I will NOT BACK DOWN. It is revenue-raising, it is NOT voluntary once you are ticketed (whether you are guilty or not) and that is that.

End of story, end of discussion, no ifs, and no buts.

What a load of dribble. You have every opportunity to plead guilty or not guilty. All tickets can be contested in court.

Nobody is holding a gun to your head telling you to speed, so yes, completely voluntary. Its funny, I’ve driven through speed cameras all over the country for quite a few years almost daily and these supposed trickster cameras, plagued with errors, have never snapped me ……..

Mr Gillespie said :

Yeah yeah yeah yeah Spideydog, but call it what you like.

This has already been discussed, and I make no apology for what I have said. It is revenue raising. It is NOT voluntary. You are REQUIRED to pay the fine on the sayso of a device that alleges it was you and you were doing such and such a speed. YOU DO NOT HAVE A SAY, ie. NO OPPORTUNITY TO PLEAD GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY. If the police officer has decided you are guilty, THAT IS IT, YOU MUST PAY UP. IT IS NOT VOLUNTARY.

Don’t speed, don’t pay the tax…..well……you can argue all you like, till you’re blue in the face, but I will NOT BACK DOWN. It is revenue-raising, it is NOT voluntary once you are ticketed (whether you are guilty or not) and that is that.

End of story, end of discussion, no ifs, and no buts.

But… If…

You obviously already know the avenues to follow to contest whether it was you or not committing the offense. As for whether the camera gets your speed right, you can lodge a complaint if you think you weren’t exceeding the speed limit and if it’s backed up by other similar complaints, you’d win that case too.

But your point seems to always be more about having the right to break the road rules if you perceive that they are not fair. Which is downright ludicrous.

Well Mr G, I respect your opinion and thank you for contributing extra money to the ACT government. I’m sure I will benefit in some small way.

It wouldn’t surprise me if some drink drivers check their Facebook account whilst driving and get an extra fine (Unfortunately risking others lives too).

Mr Gillespie6:49 pm 07 Jul 11

Yeah yeah yeah yeah Spideydog, but call it what you like.

This has already been discussed, and I make no apology for what I have said. It is revenue raising. It is NOT voluntary. You are REQUIRED to pay the fine on the sayso of a device that alleges it was you and you were doing such and such a speed. YOU DO NOT HAVE A SAY, ie. NO OPPORTUNITY TO PLEAD GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY. If the police officer has decided you are guilty, THAT IS IT, YOU MUST PAY UP. IT IS NOT VOLUNTARY.

Don’t speed, don’t pay the tax…..well……you can argue all you like, till you’re blue in the face, but I will NOT BACK DOWN. It is revenue-raising, it is NOT voluntary once you are ticketed (whether you are guilty or not) and that is that.

End of story, end of discussion, no ifs, and no buts.

Mr Gillespie said :

Pity said :

Revenue raising? I would be more inclined to call it a voluntary tax.

What a load of bullshit.

Nothing has changed in 2 weeks MrG, it’s still a voluntary tax. You have complete control over whether you are required to pay said tax !!!!

Mr Gillespie6:20 pm 07 Jul 11

Pity said :

Revenue raising? I would be more inclined to call it a voluntary tax.

What a load of bullshit.

Mr Gillespie said :

The administrators of that Facebook page will block anyone found to be deliberately posting false or misleading information on that page.

You seem to be pretty touchy on this, your not one of the admins are you 😉

So your going to be driving around monitoring facebook trying to avoid speed cameras and RBT sites. Your driving expertise is just getting better by the second………… lol

Revenue raising? I would be more inclined to call it a voluntary tax.

Mr Gillespie4:59 pm 07 Jul 11

The administrators of that Facebook page will block anyone found to be deliberately posting false or misleading information on that page.

Mr Gillespie4:58 pm 07 Jul 11

Jim Jones said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

What’s wrong with REAL locations? What’s the point of deliberately causing paranoia??

OMG, people might *gasp* start doing the speed limit in places where there are no speed cameras.

What an appalling thought.

Yes indeed — I find the idea of posting false information most appalling, regardless of your “reasoning” about whether or not people “*gasp* start doing the speed limit in places where there are no speed cameras.”

Mr Gillespie said :

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

What’s wrong with REAL locations? What’s the point of deliberately causing paranoia??

FFS you have really jumped the shark with that one. I cannot believe that anyone is as thick as you purport to be.

Huh??? What are you on about??? The thick ones are the ones who don’t know how to TRUTHFULLY report the REAL locations of speed cameras. Causing paranoia, misleading people into believing things that are not true is WRONG, it’s like false advertising.

Mr Gillespie said :

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

What’s wrong with REAL locations? What’s the point of deliberately xxxxxxx aggravating existing paranoia??

There – I’m not as I.T. literate as some here but I think that I have fixed it for you.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mr Gillespie said :

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

What’s wrong with REAL locations? What’s the point of deliberately causing paranoia??

FFS you have really jumped the shark with that one. I cannot believe that anyone is as thick as you purport to be.

Hehe!

What would even be more fun is when you really see an RBT to post there is one on the alternative route. Maybe an idea for the AFP’s social media unit!

colourful sydney racing identity3:17 pm 07 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

What’s wrong with REAL locations? What’s the point of deliberately causing paranoia??

FFS you have really jumped the shark with that one. I cannot believe that anyone is as thick as you purport to be.

Mr Gillespie said :

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

What’s wrong with REAL locations? What’s the point of deliberately causing paranoia??

OMG, people might *gasp* start doing the speed limit in places where there are no speed cameras.

What an appalling thought.

Inappropriate3:13 pm 07 Jul 11

p1 said :

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

For this to be truly effective, you will need to know where the owners of the group live, work, and the route they drive between them….

Not too hard if they’re always reporting the locations of vans, police, etc, they see along their way to and from work…

Mr Gillespie2:58 pm 07 Jul 11

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

What’s wrong with REAL locations? What’s the point of deliberately causing paranoia??

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

I like your thinking! 🙂

Tooks said :

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

For this to be truly effective, you will need to know where the owners of the group live, work, and the route they drive between them….

Can’t wait to join up and start posting random locations. Let the paranoia begin!

Watson said :

dvaey said :

Is this news to you, that TAMS has different sized signs? Check for previous RA stories about this issue. Why would you use the same sized signs on the parkway or the highways as you do on a small suburban street with 10 houses on it?

A quick google doesnt seem to reveal the exact sign dimensions, however this page shows which size, A B or C they should use.

Whatever. My conclusion is still valid. To cry that Road puts up ‘tiny’ signs just to get you is classic conspiracy paranoia.

And I’ve occasionally missed speed limit signs in my driving career. But I wouldn’t go blame someone else for my lack of attention if I got booked for it. If I want to see the deliberate speeders booked – which I do – I will put up with occasionally copping a fine for accidentally not following road rules. It’ll teach me to drive on automatic pilot too.

But this whole debate seems totally wasted on the “it’s so unfair that I got/might get booked for speeding” crowd. They should get the wha-mbulance to follow the undercover traffic police that is massively out in force everyday in our big city.

Of course I meant “it’ll teach me for driving on automatic pilot”.

dvaey said :

Is this news to you, that TAMS has different sized signs? Check for previous RA stories about this issue. Why would you use the same sized signs on the parkway or the highways as you do on a small suburban street with 10 houses on it?

A quick google doesnt seem to reveal the exact sign dimensions, however this page shows which size, A B or C they should use.

Whatever. My conclusion is still valid. To cry that Road puts up ‘tiny’ signs just to get you is classic conspiracy paranoia.

And I’ve occasionally missed speed limit signs in my driving career. But I wouldn’t go blame someone else for my lack of attention if I got booked for it. If I want to see the deliberate speeders booked – which I do – I will put up with occasionally copping a fine for accidentally not following road rules. It’ll teach me to drive on automatic pilot too.

But this whole debate seems totally wasted on the “it’s so unfair that I got/might get booked for speeding” crowd. They should get the wha-mbulance to follow the undercover traffic police that is massively out in force everyday in our big city.

Watson said :

Huh? Either you have x-rays eyes or get pulled over so often that you really do get to know all the undercover cars out there, because I’ve never spotted one. I see a police van doing speed checks on average once very 2 weeks though and I don’t really drive all over town.

You obviously dont have very good eyes, as youll see that in my comment I havent been pulled over for many years. Normally the vehicles Im talking about, have pulled over others on the road. I saw a plain black ute directing traffic near a breakdown the other day, everyone was nearly on top of the accident before you could see the red and blue lights coming from behind the tray and inside the cab window, due to its heavily tinted windows.

Watson said :

“Tiny” signs? How convenient that the Roads people have access to a range of differently sized speed limit signs. “Oh yeah, let’s put one of our ‘tiny’ signs there to F*** over law-abiding drivers and we’ll put one of our giant signs there where speed isn’t an issue.”

Is this news to you, that TAMS has different sized signs? Check for previous RA stories about this issue. Why would you use the same sized signs on the parkway or the highways as you do on a small suburban street with 10 houses on it?

A quick google doesnt seem to reveal the exact sign dimensions, however this page shows which size, A B or C they should use.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Mysteryman said :

Is there a law against telling people the location of a speed camera or RBT?

There bloody well should be.

Well, until there is, these people are free to create and manage facebook groups dedicated to giving their locations. Will I be joining the group? No. I’ll just continue to drive sensibly.

Interesting to note that the police don’t care at all and view the page as promoting road safety: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/social-media-spreads-rbt-locations/2218455.aspx

““It promotes the fact that we’re out there, and we’re doing our job,” he said. “As far as we’re concerned, that is promoting road safety.” – Police spokesperson.

colourful sydney racing identity8:28 am 07 Jul 11

Mr Gillespie said :

This will put a nice hole in the Government’s revenue-stream — and the police are not worried by it! HAHA!!!

Yes, less revenue for the Government is hilarious, I know I get in fits of laughter over it.

dvaey said :

4) Do you deny that undercover cars (and candy cars) are on the roads more than plain blue and white marked police cars? Ive seen utes, vans, all coloured sedans and wagons, some hotted up some not, but I can probably count on one hand the number of standard blue and white marked police cars Ive seen this year.

Huh? Either you have x-rays eyes or get pulled over so often that you really do get to know all the undercover cars out there, because I’ve never spotted one. I see a police van doing speed checks on average once very 2 weeks though and I don’t really drive all over town.

dvaey said :

The one time Ive been caught by a camera was travelling at 58 in a 50 zone which had recently been changed from a 60 zone, with the installation of a couple of tiny 50 limit signs. These are the people the speed cameras are designed to catch.

“Tiny” signs? How convenient that the Roads people have access to a range of differently sized speed limit signs. “Oh yeah, let’s put one of our ‘tiny’ signs there to F*** over law-abiding drivers and we’ll put one of our giant signs there where speed isn’t an issue.”

Total and utter BS. You really suffer from a classic victim mentality. It’s never your fault, there’s always some conspiracy aimed at blaming you when you’ve done nothing wrong. I’ve known people like that in real life and it’s quite insufferable.

Mr Gillespie7:49 am 07 Jul 11

This will put a nice hole in the Government’s revenue-stream — and the police are not worried by it! HAHA!!!

dvaey said :

,,,

1) you’re still reducing the effectiveness of an RBT. Even if there are a few cops in the back streets, its not a guarantee that they will get picked up.
2) see one, yes i do believe its bad to tell people where the locations are. I have no issues with people saying “i saw an RBT tonight”, but giving an exact location gives people the opportunity to ‘chance it’ by taking the back streets, and hopefully not getting picked up.
3) Well, the mobile RBTs are a single police car. “breath tests” per hour would be significantly less than a static RBT.
4) pass, afaik speed signs are a standard size.
5) You’re assuming a lot (many “if’s” in that sentence) . These are people who are possibly encouraging drink driving, so i doubt texting while driving is a concern to them.

Tetranitrate1:29 am 07 Jul 11

Jono said :

I have yet to hear a sensible reason why they shouldn’t set up at the bottom of hills. The speed limit applies whether you’re going uphill or downhill.

I never said it didn’t, simply pointed out what’s done elsewhere. Realistically they’re probably making a deliberate attempt to target habitual speeders as opposed to people ‘accidentally’ speeding on their way to work.

Personally I’ve never been caught speeding (because I don’t ever intentionally speed), but it does annoy me just how much effort is put into catching essentially law abiding people going about their business. Drive down Belconnen way any weekday morning and you’ll see what I mean.
Hopefully widespread use of point to point cameras means there’ll be less of this in the future.

Jono said :

I have yet to hear a sensible reason why they shouldn’t set up at the bottom of hills. The speed limit applies whether you’re going uphill or downhill.

Yep. Last time I checked my car had this really advanced technological feature called brakes. Press it and the car slows down.

Tetranitrate said :

In Victoria and I believe also a couple of other states, they’re not allowed to set up at the bottom of hills the way they rampantly do here. The test is something along the lines of – if gravity would cause the car to accelerate over the speed limit going down, they can’t set up there.

I have yet to hear a sensible reason why they shouldn’t set up at the bottom of hills. The speed limit applies whether you’re going uphill or downhill.

In fact, I would have thought that the effect of gravity would mean that a car going downhill would have a greater stopping distance than a car going uphill, making it more dangerous to speed when going downhill, and therefore there would be more reason to detect drivers speeding when going downhill.

Tetranitrate6:45 pm 06 Jul 11

Clown Killer said :

Oddly enough, in Perth the location of mobile speed cameras are required to be advertised by law. There is a column in the West Australian newspaper every day telling you where the cameras are going to be. You can also access that information on-line on the WA Police website.

I find it intriguing that people would get wound up about something like this – it’s almost as if they believe that their opinion was valid …

In Victoria and I believe also a couple of other states, they’re not allowed to set up at the bottom of hills the way they rampantly do here. The test is something along the lines of – if gravity would cause the car to accelerate over the speed limit going down, they can’t set up there.

Clown Killer said :

Oddly enough, in Perth the location of mobile speed cameras are required to be advertised by law.

Well sure, but those Perth people have crazy ideas too, like requiring petrol stations to advertise their fuel price so you know who is gouging the prices.

Henry82 said :

Couple of issues.
1) Telling people where the police are just encourages them to speed elsewhere. knowing ‘you could get speed checked anytime’ is enough encouragement for a lot of people not to speed.
2) Telling people where RBTs are is unbelievably stupid, as it encourages people to ‘drink and drive’
3) I’m sure police would prefer posts like “police out in force tonight, dont speed!” instead of exact locations
4) If police were out for revenue raising, every police car would be undercover, not hotted up V8s with chequered flag decals. Plus speed vans stick out, i cant believe anyone gets caught by them, particularly when they’re parked in the middle of northborne.
5) Posting locations quickly usually means from a mobile phone, which is illegal while driving.

1) That could be a valid point, if there was only one police officer in the territory performing speed checks. Just because you know theres a police officer on one street, that doesnt mean there is or isnt a police officer on another street. As many people who travel to the snow will tell you, there is often more than one speed trap within a short distance.

2) Once again, assuming that there is only one breath-testing unit in Canberra, this is a valid point. You can tell someone theres an RBT on Northbourne, they might still get RBT’d over on Barry Dr. Do you also believe that its a bad idea to advertise that police setup RBTs on drakeford drive on Fri and Sat night, because that will encourage people to drink and drive?

3) Well, advertisements on TV claim that you could be checked anywhere. If someone wants to specify the hotspots, how is that wrong? If the police truly are anywhere, then your chance of being caught is the same whether you read the facebook page or not.

4) Do you deny that undercover cars (and candy cars) are on the roads more than plain blue and white marked police cars? Ive seen utes, vans, all coloured sedans and wagons, some hotted up some not, but I can probably count on one hand the number of standard blue and white marked police cars Ive seen this year. The one time Ive been caught by a camera was travelling at 58 in a 50 zone which had recently been changed from a 60 zone, with the installation of a couple of tiny 50 limit signs. These are the people the speed cameras are designed to catch.

5) Only if the driver is the one using the mobile phone, if the passenger is using it there is no safety risk. (except for police officers, who have laws to exempt them from general safety)

Gungahlin Al5:33 pm 06 Jul 11

G-Fresh said :

trapster.

Yes I was wondering myself just how is this any different from the iphone app Trapster? Likewise for “Waze” in the other thread?

Clown Killer5:24 pm 06 Jul 11

Oddly enough, in Perth the location of mobile speed cameras are required to be advertised by law. There is a column in the West Australian newspaper every day telling you where the cameras are going to be. You can also access that information on-line on the WA Police website.

I find it intriguing that people would get wound up about something like this – it’s almost as if they believe that their opinion was valid …

colourful sydney racing identity4:21 pm 06 Jul 11

Mysteryman said :

Is there a law against telling people the location of a speed camera or RBT?

There bloody well should be.

dvaey said :

If theres a speed-trap setup on Monaro highway in a blackspot, and someone advertises that theres a speed camera there, causing drivers to slow down, isnt that *EXACTLY* what they want?

NO! that is not what they want, they dont want people to slow for the camera’s becase they Know there is one ahead, they want peyople to stick to the limit FULL STOP!

The idea of speed detection being un-advertised is not to try and get more money, it is so that, maybe, just maybe, not knowing if your being watched might mean you just do the right thing!

If people know the camera is there, it makes the patch of road a 50m or so either side of the camera safer, but does NOTHING to improve overall road safety.

They go for black spots, becase these areas require extra care, if you know its reguarly a target, you just might pay more attention to your speed in danger zones, but the idea is to also create a safer driving environment across the board, not just for the 50m streatch under the radar!

Thoroughly Smashed2:43 pm 06 Jul 11

Classified said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

So you can all drive halfway across town to save a couple of dollars?

No-one’s twisting your arm…

I should think not.

Is there a law against telling people the location of a speed camera or RBT?

Snave81 said :

Which fine is less, using a mobile to check a Facebook group while driving or speeding because you didn’t notice the camera and remeber to slow down?

Depends how fast you’re driving.

trapster.

colourful sydney racing identity2:16 pm 06 Jul 11

dvaey said :

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Do you think the same thing about random breath tests?

If a particular area is known to be bad for alcohol-related accidents and the police feel the site is worthy enough to warrant extra scrutiny, then yes I think that a website should be allowed to publish those locations, just as much as they post the location of any other road-safety hotspots.

So that drunks can find another route to drive home? *wow*

Which fine is less, using a mobile to check a Facebook group while driving or speeding because you didn’t notice the camera and remeber to slow down?

damien haas said :

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

This facebook group already exists its called Canberra Fuel Prices

Thanks, but I don’t use facebook.

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

So you can all drive halfway across town to save a couple of dollars?

No-one’s twisting your arm…

It’s only a bad idea insofar as you’d be stupid to rely on it.

I dont think it will have any effect whatsoever. checking facebook before every journey wont be practical.

dvaey said :

If theres a speed-trap setup on Monaro highway in a blackspot, and someone advertises that theres a speed camera there, causing drivers to slow down, isnt that *EXACTLY* what they want?

Couple of issues.
1) Telling people where the police are just encourages them to speed elsewhere. knowing ‘you could get speed checked anytime’ is enough encouragement for a lot of people not to speed.
2) Telling people where RBTs are is unbelievably stupid, as it encourages people to ‘drink and drive’
3) I’m sure police would prefer posts like “police out in force tonight, dont speed!” instead of exact locations
4) If police were out for revenue raising, every police car would be undercover, not hotted up V8s with chequered flag decals. Plus speed vans stick out, i cant believe anyone gets caught by them, particularly when they’re parked in the middle of northborne.
5) Posting locations quickly usually means from a mobile phone, which is illegal while driving.

colourful sydney racing identity said :

Do you think the same thing about random breath tests?

If a particular area is known to be bad for alcohol-related accidents and the police feel the site is worthy enough to warrant extra scrutiny, then yes I think that a website should be allowed to publish those locations, just as much as they post the location of any other road-safety hotspots.

colourful sydney racing identity11:47 am 06 Jul 11

dvaey said :

If these potential sites are chosen because of their accident or general safety history, surely it is in the publics interest to document where the police and our govco think safety is an issue.

If theres a speed-trap setup on Monaro highway in a blackspot, and someone advertises that theres a speed camera there, causing drivers to slow down, isnt that *EXACTLY* what they want?

This of course assumes that these activities are done on safety blackspots and are designed to improve road-safety rather than revenue raise. If you were only interested in safety, you dont care *why* traffic behaves more sensibly, only that it does.. if youre only interested in revenue, then youd badmouth anyone who pointed out these targetted blackspots out.

Do you think the same thing about random breath tests?

If these potential sites are chosen because of their accident or general safety history, surely it is in the publics interest to document where the police and our govco think safety is an issue.

If theres a speed-trap setup on Monaro highway in a blackspot, and someone advertises that theres a speed camera there, causing drivers to slow down, isnt that *EXACTLY* what they want?

This of course assumes that these activities are done on safety blackspots and are designed to improve road-safety rather than revenue raise. If you were only interested in safety, you dont care *why* traffic behaves more sensibly, only that it does.. if youre only interested in revenue, then youd badmouth anyone who pointed out these targetted blackspots out.

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

This facebook group already exists its called Canberra Fuel Prices

Thoroughly Smashed11:16 am 06 Jul 11

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

So you can all drive halfway across town to save a couple of dollars?

Classified said :

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

+1

Although the site does give some useful information about avoiding accidents…

Maybe we should use a similar idea but for something useful, like a regular thread where people post up the locations of the cheapest petrol they’ve seen that day.

Of the 848 likers of the group I’d suggest 847 aren’t old enough to have a licence anyway. They will get caught like they always do anyway

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