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Red lights – advisory only?

By Anna Key - 24 May 2009 42

For the past few weeks, my journey to work requres me to turn right from Athllon Dve into Mawson Dve. While waiting for the lights, I’m often at the front of the queue and I’m amazed by the number of people that must jump the red to get onto Athllon Dve.  There are often still cars in the intersection when the Athllon lights turn green, and often they have clearly exceeded 60kph approaching the intersection.  I should also mention that this usually takes place around 8.30 when there are also a lot of students crossing Athllon to get to Melrose High. 

On Friday, I saw a few girls nearly get run down by someone deciding that the red light doesn’t apply to them.  I always thought you need to stop on a red, or even an amber, but clearly this doesn’t apply at this intersection.

I wonder if the police decided to patrol the area we would hear a lot of bleating about revenue raising?

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42 Responses to
Red lights – advisory only?
Anna Key 6:15 pm 24 May 09

Silly me, I thought it was a case of red = stop, green = go. I never realised it was due to some kind of govt incompetence. Admittedly I learnt to drive over 20 years ago.

futto 5:24 pm 24 May 09

i have two comments.

Running through reds is not a big problem here compared to other cities. Go to Melbourne CBD for a week. It appears to me that it is mandatory to go through a red in some areas when turning right. Crazy!

Secondly, on traffic light inovations. While travelling through Asia, i noticed that at some busy intersections they have big LCD clocks counting down the traffic light cycles (how long until the green light ends). Really cool idea but i suppose it it would be more suited to really high traffic intersections rather than Mawson. 😛

Aeek 4:34 pm 24 May 09

What’s with all the “Give way to pedestrians” signs? We accept drivers not knowing basic road rules, so we have to have signs to tell them?

Spideydog 4:30 pm 24 May 09

54-11, I can assure you that all traffic offences are being enforced. Admittedly some more than others. Speed cameras are but just a small portion of the enforcement, in which the cameras have no involvement with Police (unless infringements are disputed)

I will agree with more active traffic enforcement, but you may need to get onto government to get more officers to do that, as well as perform the general duties, crime prevention, major crime investigation,etc,etc.

Whatsup 4:27 pm 24 May 09

Maybe some drivers think that stopping at a red light is an aspirational target. The government seems to be able to use this term freely to bend commitments and rules.

54-11 4:09 pm 24 May 09

Spideydog, the problem is that these are all static devices, and offernders don’t find out for days later. What is needed is active enforcement of ALL road rules, including bhaviour such as not indicating, clagging up the right hand lane, mobile phone use, fog lights on when there is no fog, and so on .

p1 3:56 pm 24 May 09

U call that public art ….. You do know that that sign is in relation people who text while driving, hence it being a road safety message, not art ??

Nah, I’m pretty sure those signs are supposed to be amusing 🙂

G-Fresh 3:29 pm 24 May 09

GregW said :

While these are mostly university students, the general ignorance/arrogance of foreign students will result in one being hit soon

+1

Spideydog 2:50 pm 24 May 09

Very Busy said :

The Government refuses to spend money on road law enforcement while it spends squillions of dollars on public art, stupid “drive n text u b next” signs etc.

U call that public art ….. You do know that that sign is in relation people who text while driving, hence it being a road safety message, not art ??

The emphasis is not just on speeding as you seem to think. Have you seen all the commotion in regard to the amount of drink drivers being prosecuted lately, the campaign on driving while fatigued and the use of mobile phones while driving ??

I do agree that some of the fixed speed camera’s could be used in more useful locations, ie schools.

farnarkler 2:19 pm 24 May 09

Re #1, in the UK the light flashes orange inbetween going from red to green thus giving drivers at the front the chance to get in gear, stop picking their nose, scratching their balls, putting on makeup, etc. It works well there, don’t know why they don’t program the lights to do it here.

GregW 2:09 pm 24 May 09

A similar situation occurs at the corner of barry drive and clunies ross st, with students crossing the road to the ANU. While these are mostly university students, the general ignorance/arrogance of foreign students will result in one being hit soon, I have seen a few near misses this semester. The end of the bus lane doesn’t help.

While ultimately I have no sympathy for any pedestrian crossing the road where they don’t have right of way, I think the blame mostly lies with the government and their 3 seconds between one direction switching red and the other green. If this didn’t happen we wouldn’t have an attitude that it is okay to gun it on a late-orange / early red. Its also bound to cause problems when travelling to other states.

deye 1:48 pm 24 May 09

54-11 said :

Still, I’m not condoning running red lights, which is a problem in Canberra. Another example of the stupidity of all our road traffic enforcement being aimed at speeding, and nothing on other traffic infringements.

You mean like the multiple red light/speed cameras around the place.

Very Busy 12:30 pm 24 May 09

This is result of the current ACT Governments fixation with speed cameras and their refusal to enforce the law in relation to most other driving offences. People break the law in the ACT because they can and there are no consequences for doing so.

It is so easy to put up speed cameras everywhere but when it comes to other offences our Government sits on its hands and does zero. The Government refuses to spend money on road law enforcement while it spends squillions of dollars on public art, stupid “drive n text u b next” signs etc. The ACT Government is either incredibly lazy, totally clueless or 100% focussed on revenue raising when it comes to road safety. Probably all three.

The intersection mentioned by the OP is a very dangerous one with hundreds of school students crossing Athllon drive there daily. Kids HAVE been hit there in the past and they WILL be hit again. It is only a matter of time before a pedestrian is killed there.

ant 11:51 am 24 May 09

Queuing across intersections is another thing Canberra district drivers seem to do quite happily. The intersections around Fairbairn/Moreshead/Pialligo regularly lock up as cars queue across roundabouts and traffic light-controlled intersections, stopping other cars from moving through. This also happens on Russell roundabout. I’ve never seen anyone official doing anything about it.

54-11 11:22 am 24 May 09

One of the issues is that cars do not move off smartly when the lights turn green. Near us, there are often queues waiting for a green arrow, but too mnay drivers are slow, and consequently only a few cars get through at each phase.

If everyone did the right thing, then most if not all cars would clear the intersection, and this problem would not happen.

Still, I’m not condoning running red lights, which is a problem in Canberra. Another example of the stupidity of all our road traffic enforcement being aimed at speeding, and nothing on other traffic infringements.

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