Refugee Candlelight Vigil in Garema Place this Saturday 7:30PM

howeph 21 February 2014 251

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The Refugee Action Committee is organising a candlelight vigil this Saturday to mourn the death of an Iranian asylum seeker during recent protests at the Australian detention centre on Manus Island.

Reports are conflicted at this time as to how one person was killed and 77 others injured but sources suggest police and armed thugs went into the camp early Tuesday morning after days of escalating protests by asylum seekers over their continued detention and the appalling conditions at the camp.

Come along to show your support for those suffering under Operation Sovereign Borders.

RAC Website Event Page: here

Read the December report by Amnesty International on the “excessively cruel” detention centre on Manus Island here

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Mysteryman Mysteryman 12:11 pm 24 Feb 14

Grrrr said :

Stormfront Org said :

Someone mentioned that arriving without a visa is not illegal.

So can you tell us which law is being broken?

The Migration Act 1958 clearly outlines the definition of an “unlawful non-citizen”. Read it.

Mysteryman Mysteryman 12:09 pm 24 Feb 14

Grrrr said :

Stormfront Org said :

Someone mentioned that arriving without a visa is not illegal.

So can you tell us which law is being broken?

The Migration Act 1958.

Grrrr Grrrr 11:54 am 24 Feb 14

Stormfront Org said :

Someone mentioned that arriving without a visa is not illegal.

So can you tell us which law is being broken?

HiddenDragon HiddenDragon 11:51 am 24 Feb 14

This Lateline interview of Christine Milne, from July 2013, is instructive (on the question of “let them all”):

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3814671.htm

There’s some confusion towards the end of the transcript, but it’s obvious which, in fact is Milne and which is Alberici speaking, and I don’t see anything like a firm upper number from Milne – it’s much more about process, in the best of all possible worlds.

Nylex_Clock Nylex_Clock 10:42 am 24 Feb 14

howeph said :

Robertson (oops I mean Nylex_Clock) we have had this debate before starting here…. And you lost.

I checked the thread you refer to and your unfactual and confused argument was demolished by “Robertson”:

“Thanks for putting Howeph’s nonsense to rest.
Nobody has “a right” to break Australia’s laws.
The convention quite obviously recognises that when it says these people are here unlawfully.

And to answer your further question,
http://www.ipu.org/pdf/publications/refugee_en.pdf
“It is widely accepted that the prohibition of refoulement is part of customary international law. This means that even States that are not party to the Refugee Convention must respect the principle of
non-refoulement”.”

So there you have it. Breaches of Australian law are recognised by the UN. We’ve signed a convention that says we won’t punish people for it. That doesn’t legalise it.

Nylex_Clock Nylex_Clock 10:38 am 24 Feb 14

howeph said :

Nylex_Clock said :

I take it from that that you are still in denial of the very basic and unassailable fact that under Australian law, it is our Migration Act that defines how a person enters Australia legally.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/65onshore-processing-illegal-maritime-arrivals.htm

“Illegal maritime arrivals”.

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html

“Article 31
refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.”

Now, do you and your leftoid buddies … BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

Robertson (oops I mean Nylex_Clock) we have had this debate before starting here…. And you lost.

You know what you are saying is untrue. Your willful lying and hiding of your online identity is unbelievable.

It says a lot about the “strength” of your position if you have to lie, not only about the facts of the issue, but also about who you are so that you can distance yourself from your previous comments.

The UN is lying. The Australian government is lying. Is that it?

I think not.
Howeph, *you* are the liar. You are a deluded leftie refusing to accept reality and encouraging peoplr to break the law and kill themselves at sea, meaning your delusion is both criminal and immoral.

Arriving in AUstralia in contravention of the Migration Act is illegal. There is no law that supersedes this Act, somehting that both the UN and the Australian Government appear to understand but that you do not.

Tooks Tooks 10:25 am 24 Feb 14

howeph said :

Nylex_Clock said :

I take it from that that you are still in denial of the very basic and unassailable fact that under Australian law, it is our Migration Act that defines how a person enters Australia legally.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/65onshore-processing-illegal-maritime-arrivals.htm

“Illegal maritime arrivals”.

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html

“Article 31
refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.”

Now, do you and your leftoid buddies … BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

Robertson (oops I mean Nylex_Clock) we have had this debate before starting here…. And you lost.

You know what you are saying is untrue. Your willful lying and hiding of your online identity is unbelievable.

It says a lot about the “strength” of your position if you have to lie, not only about the facts of the issue, but also about who you are so that you can distance yourself from your previous comments.

So Nylex is Robertson. I’m actually relieved there aren’t two identical personalities on this site.

dungfungus dungfungus 10:12 am 24 Feb 14

Roundhead89 said :

So now we hear that the scumbag illegal queue-jumpers have caused embarrassment to Scott Morrison and the usual suspects in Fairfax and the ABC are having a field day.

I would like to see shoot to kill orders being issued to the guards at the detention centres. If any of the illegal asylum seekers complain, protest or riot shoot them dead. In fact, I would like to see all illegal asylum seekers shot dead on sight. That would save us a lot of money and bring the illegal asylum seeker problem to an end once and for all. I am sick and tired of the namby pamby human rights/refugee lobby and perhaps we should line them up against a wall and shoot them as well.

Are you related to Mr Gormsby? (refer Seven Periods With Mr. Gormsby TV series)

howeph howeph 10:06 am 24 Feb 14

Nylex_Clock said :

I take it from that that you are still in denial of the very basic and unassailable fact that under Australian law, it is our Migration Act that defines how a person enters Australia legally.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/65onshore-processing-illegal-maritime-arrivals.htm

“Illegal maritime arrivals”.

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html

“Article 31
refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.”

Now, do you and your leftoid buddies … BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

Robertson (oops I mean Nylex_Clock) we have had this debate before starting here…. And you lost.

You know what you are saying is untrue. Your willful lying and hiding of your online identity is unbelievable.

It says a lot about the “strength” of your position if you have to lie, not only about the facts of the issue, but also about who you are so that you can distance yourself from your previous comments.

Stormfront Org Stormfront Org 9:16 am 24 Feb 14

Glad to see many good comments on here that reflect the feelings of majority of Australian public,not the leftie bs.(thanks to an unbiased moderation).

Yes, it is good to see the reduction of scum entering Australia claiming to be “refugees”, using leaky boats (if you want to kill yourself jumping on such boat for $5K, I have no problem with that). Those causing the riots at the Detention centres- do they deserve to be settled in PNG and Nauru? No, in my opinion. As they will have similar violent behaviour once allowed to be amongst people in developed society.

Although they are to be settled in PNG and on Nauru- Australia will be providing welfare benefits to them .
At least, these “refugees, in fear for their safety back at home” will not be abusing the welfare system here. How many of them , once settled and acquired AUS citizenship, go back home on holidays, for several months at the time, on a yearly or bi-yearly basis?And bringing all their cousins and other relatives in huge numbers? Plenty around.
In such cases, their false claims of “fear of execution if returned” back home shall be re-assessed and their citizenship void. Sure, if there was a change of regime and their homeland has democracy, I then have no problem. But, atm, too many fake “refugees” roam the streets already.

All of the genuine refugees are going through the UN camps, they should be the priority and are welcome here, putting the “queue jumpers” to the bottom of the list.

Someone mentioned that arriving without a visa is not illegal. What? Did you smoke too much, leftie?

P.S.There wasn’t many beggars in Civic on Sunday, they probably got paid enough to attend “vigil” service.

Nylex_Clock Nylex_Clock 8:59 am 24 Feb 14

Pork Hunt said :

Diggety said :

Labor/Greens’ policies caused over 1000 asylum seeker deaths.

Light a candle to that.

No one in Australia forced anyone in Indonesia to fork out for a passage to Australia in a leaky boat.

I’d say plenty of people in Australia are conspiring to encourage people in Indonesia to try their luck at entering Australia illegally, and I hope the government is using its resources wisely in an attempt to be able to eventually pin charges on these people.

Nylex_Clock Nylex_Clock 8:56 am 24 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

Walker said :

Does this make sense?

Yes

Now get off the RiotACT. Your rational input is unwelcome.

I take it from that that you are still in denial of the very basic and unassailable fact that under Australian law, it is our Migration Act that defines how a person enters Australia legally.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/65onshore-processing-illegal-maritime-arrivals.htm

“Illegal maritime arrivals”.

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html

“Article 31
refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee
1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.”

Now, do you and your leftoid buddies have the intellectual wherewithal to finally accept that your irrational belief in this regard is utterly incorrect and based on nothing but piolitically-motivated wishful thinking??

Incidentally,
“The provisions of this Convention shall not apply to any person with
respect to whom there are serious reasons for considering that:

(c) he has been guilty of acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the
United Nations.”

Paying people smugglers to abuse Australia’s asylum system is clearly contrary to the purpose of the 1951 convention.
People arriving by people smuggler boats should be automatically barred from any ability to claim asylum.
If necessary, this should be established explicitly in Australian legislation so we can once and for all stop wasting time on queue-jumping asylum-shopping cheats.

Nylex_Clock Nylex_Clock 8:38 am 24 Feb 14

voytek3 said :

Nylex_Clock said :

voytek3 said :

By the way, deadshit – the vast majority of visas are subject to what is called a “Newly Arrived Residency Waiting Period” – a two year wait from either date of arrival or grant of permanent residency – whatever comes first before they can even test their eligibility for “welfare”.

Yet more pathetic leftoid delusion on show.

http://www.ames.net.au/asylum-seeker-program/asylum-seeker-assistance-scheme.html

AMES is not welfare and is not a part of government state or federal.

Yes it is, and, yes it is.

AMES, like the Red Cross and various other organisations are contracted by the government (using taxpayers’ money) to administer a scheme of cash payments (funded by the taxpayer) to illegal entrants who are in the process of abusing the asylum system.

Roundhead89 Roundhead89 7:49 am 24 Feb 14

So now we hear that the scumbag illegal queue-jumpers have caused embarrassment to Scott Morrison and the usual suspects in Fairfax and the ABC are having a field day.

I would like to see shoot to kill orders being issued to the guards at the detention centres. If any of the illegal asylum seekers complain, protest or riot shoot them dead. In fact, I would like to see all illegal asylum seekers shot dead on sight. That would save us a lot of money and bring the illegal asylum seeker problem to an end once and for all. I am sick and tired of the namby pamby human rights/refugee lobby and perhaps we should line them up against a wall and shoot them as well.

dungfungus dungfungus 7:49 am 24 Feb 14

IrishPete said :

dungfungus said :

Why aren’t the asylum sneakers charged with conspiracy to enter Australia illegally then? They know they can’t get here through the normal channels so they co-conspire with the people smugglers (I mean a smuggler is a criminal, right?).
When we lock up the Indonesians crewing the “leaky boats” that bring them here what are the charges that they face in court?
Any of you quasi-legal experts care to comment on that one?

I’m not going to answer this directly, but does everyone realise that turning back the boats means the boat crew get off scot free?

IP

I suppose a piss-weak pun is the best we can expect from you IP.

IrishPete IrishPete 10:50 pm 23 Feb 14

Walker said :

Does this make sense?

Yes

Now get off the RiotACT. Your rational input is unwelcome.

IP

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 10:49 pm 23 Feb 14

Diggety said :

Labor/Greens’ policies caused over 1000 asylum seeker deaths.

Light a candle to that.

No one in Australia forced anyone in Indonesia to fork out for a passage to Australia in a leaky boat.

IrishPete IrishPete 10:49 pm 23 Feb 14

dungfungus said :

Why aren’t the asylum sneakers charged with conspiracy to enter Australia illegally then? They know they can’t get here through the normal channels so they co-conspire with the people smugglers (I mean a smuggler is a criminal, right?).
When we lock up the Indonesians crewing the “leaky boats” that bring them here what are the charges that they face in court?
Any of you quasi-legal experts care to comment on that one?

I’m not going to answer this directly, but does everyone realise that turning back the boats means the boat crew get off scot free?

IP

IrishPete IrishPete 10:47 pm 23 Feb 14

Diggety said :

Labor/Greens’ policies caused over 1000 asylum seeker deaths.

Light a candle to that.

That would be sourced from the ever-reliable Scott Morrison?

Diggety, how many asylum seekers have drowned since the change of government? I’ll give you a clue, you’ll need quite a lot candles.

IP

Diggety Diggety 10:11 pm 23 Feb 14

Labor/Greens’ policies caused over 1000 asylum seeker deaths.

Light a candle to that.

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