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Restrict young drivers

DJ 14 June 2008 89

In another tragic incident another young person has been killed on Canberra roads.

For the hard nuts out there put your wit into neutral and consider if it was your friend or a relative before you start typing. In my opinion learner and p-platers should be restricted the same way motorbike riders are. From the wreck it looks to me like a high speed impact that wouldn’t have been possible in a 4cyl non-turbo, standard car under 1600cc…..


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serpico serpico 2:28 pm 18 Jun 08

The only way to reduce the carnage on the roads is to increase the penalties for speeding and dangerous driving substantially.The only person a young hoon takes notice of is his mates therefore if you hit him hard in the hip pocket and take his licence away for a long period,he gets the message and so do his mates.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 4:06 pm 17 Jun 08

As mentioned in the AFP media release, its a

Lexus SC400 Coupe

Its a 2+2.
It comfortably seats two adults with two cramped people in the backseat, or provides sufficient room for consenting adults to hookup on Mt Ainslie.

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 3:43 pm 17 Jun 08

Whatsup said :

Jazz said :

I kinda like the suggestion to make it part of hte school curriculum. why hasnt that ever been considered in australia?

It was in Australia, at a small high school in Victoria…

I remember the school I went to in the late 80s had a similar program. It must have lacked funding or something, because by the time I got to the relevant year the course was offered, well, it was no longer on offer.

Like a lot of things, experience cannot be underestimated. And like a most people we all think we are better drivers than we probably are, that said, the ability for me to do some moderate paddock bashing at my grandparents farm, and to mess around on some dirt roads out the back of Canberra/Yass when mum wasn’t looking has given me a much greater appreciation of car control, and what happens when it all goes tits up, than anything that would ever be sanctioned by any formal body.

If you’ve not had the opportunity to do likewise, I suggest getting out to 5th Gear at the Sutton complex and participating in one of their courses. They offer skid pan and advanced/defensive training. I’ve only done the skid pan, and apart from your car getting bloody filthy, the lessons learned from being able to lose control of your car at low speeds in situations where the only thing likely to be damaged is your own pride is invaluable. It’s also a lot of fun! But the best bit is that courses are not run by cowboys, so there is definite training and education processes applied.

hk0reduck hk0reduck 3:30 pm 17 Jun 08

Silly me, I thought it was a convertible.

The driver has been charged for culpable driving occasioning death.
http://afp.gov.au/media_releases/act/2008/24-year-old_charged_after_fatal_collision

Whatsup Whatsup 12:34 pm 17 Jun 08

Jazz said :

I kinda like the suggestion to make it part of hte school curriculum. why hasnt that ever been considered in australia?

It was in Australia, at a small high school in Victoria. Not sure why it hasn’t continued and / or the idea has grown.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 12:21 pm 17 Jun 08

hk0reduck said :

Just I still can’t get over how insane these photos of the damage are, it looks like they hit with enough force for the head-rest on the front passenger side seat to get thrown off.
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/multimedia/images/full/176838.jpg

Given that the roof is missing, and the A, B and C pillars have been cut away, I think the paramedics may have cut him out and possibly needed to access his neck\spine.

Jazz Jazz 11:46 am 17 Jun 08

I kinda like the suggestion to make it part of hte school curriculum. why hasnt that ever been considered in australia?

vandam vandam 9:42 am 17 Jun 08

Whilst there are so many ideas for what we can do to eliminate this problem, the only real solution is for these kids to keep having fatal accidents. Harsh as it may seem, It’s the only way that speeding and drink driving gets through their thick heads.

We might as well start inflicting the death penalty for traffic offences.

Starting with cyclists of course! 🙂

hk0reduck hk0reduck 7:22 pm 16 Jun 08

Just a quick update on the passengers from todays CT.

One of the males who was in a critical condition is now considered to be in a serious condition.

I still can’t get over how insane these photos of the damage are, it looks like they hit with enough force for the head-rest on the front passenger side seat to get thrown off.
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/multimedia/images/full/176838.jpg
http://canberra.yourguide.com.au/multimedia/images/full/176575.jpg

Holden Caulfield Holden Caulfield 4:45 pm 16 Jun 08

As always, with topics like this there are some good suggestions and some pretty daft ones. Sadly, the ones pointing out that you can’t legislate against stupidity are the ones most relevant here.

Respect to the families involved in this tragedy.

Trouble is, there is no solution that allows us to keep the freedom we enjoy. Kids, middle Australians, elderly, doesn’t matter who, people from all walks of life die in road accidents mostly because of driver error. Be that error of speeding, lack of concentration, or whatever. Restrictions may work in some aspects, but we’re all individuals and we will never act the same.

Sounds a bit like giving up and accepting fate will take its course. And I guess, to a degree, that is what I’m suggesting. While there should always be an aim to reduce the road toll through whatever means are deemed sensible at the time, we also need to understand that, ultimately, sh!t happens and the only thing likely to have stopped the accident in Campbell was common sense.

FredJ FredJ 3:03 pm 16 Jun 08

I’m with you tap. I find it concerning that someone on a P plate is not deemed fit to drive a car at the legal speeds that apply to everyone else. This says to me that driver training is inadequate. Going slower than the flow of traffic is not safe driving.

tap tap 1:59 pm 16 Jun 08

The idea of different speed limits for different drivers concerns me. Just because it seems that that could make highways more dangerous.

vandam vandam 1:38 pm 16 Jun 08

I think we need to follow NSW to an extent. Ie Give Police the power to cancel a person’s licence on the spot, for outrageous speeds or drink driving. Reduce the speed of P-Plate drivers. ie max speed 80kph etc etc.

I know I’d prefer to get caught breaking the law in ACT than I would in NSW.

Unfortuantly there are too many of those idiot civil libs here, for anything to change. A good start would be to vote Labor out and Liberal in. At least have a change of Govt which may have the balls to stand up to these jerks.

tap tap 1:19 pm 16 Jun 08

I agree with shauno. Plus even if people still do drive dangerously (it is fair to assume that a dragway won’t stop all dangerous driving), isn’t the fat that they will have ‘practiced’ speeding a good thing? They’ll know more about brakeing distances etc? As opposed to still speeding but not knowing their cars limits?

shauno shauno 12:43 pm 16 Jun 08

Surely opening a public dragway will only cause more problems. People who utilise it will eventually get bored with doing burnouts on a boring dragway and will take what they have practiced in a sheltered environment out on to public roads and endanger other road users.

Lol Yep im going to go out and kill people cause that’s what I just did on my play station, same analogy. Its been shown there is less street racing in western Sydney since they opened the drag way there having regular street meets of an evening which is a great night out for the family.

shanefos shanefos 12:33 pm 16 Jun 08

Surely opening a public dragway will only cause more problems. People who utilise it will eventually get bored with doing burnouts on a boring dragway and will take what they have practiced in a sheltered environment out on to public roads and endanger other road users.

However, I realise there are far greater problems with our society’s attitude to speeding and drink-driving. How many people do you know who think it’s fine to travel at at least 10kms over the speed limit? How many people watch shows like Top Gear or have watched drivel like “The Fast & The Furious”? How many people have ever seen an ad for any kind of car on tv? How many times a day do you see people speeding and/or driving irresponsibly?
Education is clearly one answer, but I also think the driving age needs to be increased.

shauno shauno 12:22 pm 16 Jun 08

How about this for an idea.

Don’t worry about it. The amount of kids dieing on our roads is minuscule. Sad as it is every now and again for some one to loose their life its just one of those things that happens. Get over it and think about having a few less rules and regulations in our lives instead of increasing it. Next thing you will want is compulsory training wheels on mountain bikes up the age of 18.

Hamilton Hamilton 10:56 am 16 Jun 08

Tony said :

People in the US drive in a sensible and thoughtful manner

That’s because every second person is carrying a handgun and no-one is game to cut someone else off for fear of being shot.

Loosen the handgun ownership laws in Australia and everyone will drive in a sensible and thoughtful manner. God bless America!!

neanderthalsis neanderthalsis 10:55 am 16 Jun 08

In my honest opinion, I don’t think there will ever be a way to stop 17 – 25 year old males from killing themselves and others on the road, except maybe by banning cars altogether (but then they’d be thrown from their horse, fall off their bike or terminally sprain an ankle, etc). Inexperience is the main reason these young men die. It is a combination of inexperience and ego that would drive a bloke to do immense speed down a wet road at 2am in the morning.

Young men have been risking death in as many ways possible since Adam himself was a teenager, most survive and realise at the age of 25 that they did some bloody stupid things and are lucky that they survived them all; they mellow and turn into relatively normal human beings. It is also at this age that we start to think that the new “younger generation” are reckless maniacs hell bent on killing themselves and something should be done to stop them.

Restricting engine capacity would do little, the desire to drive like a tool is entirely attitudinal. Adolescents / young men are indestructible, egomaniacal and entirely capable of causing as much mass carnage in a 30yo 1100cc Datto as they are in a new Lexus, WRX or HSV.

Whatsup Whatsup 10:54 am 16 Jun 08

My high school had driver training. It was a subject that went for a semester and consisted of theory as well as some practical sessions of basic car control around witches hats on the high school oval. The local holden dealer provided a small 4 cylinder car covered with advertising to the school. It prepared us to obtain our learners permit. We were then encouraged to attend a young driver training course over the school holidays, the people that attended it clearly had an advantage over those of us that didn’t. They had learned about how their cars behave on different surfaces, in different conditions and what effect speed had on the safe operation of their car. I think all young drivers should attend this sort of training, its not cheap but neither is the price of life and / or property.

The log book system that a young driver must get a minimum number of supervised hours is also a great idea. Its builds experience, confidence and consolidates the knowledge and skill previously learned.

There will always be those who refuse to learn and nothing will help them out. For the others lets increase their chances of survival. I know I wasn’t ready when I got my P’s. Didn’t have any accidents but from what I know now… I was statistic waiting to happen.

Most people spend more money on their childrens extra curriculum activities then they do on preparing them for safe travel on the roads. Their ballet lessons or rugby tour costs will be useless when the young person ends up in a wheel chair because of lack of driver training got them in a horrific car crash.

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