22 October 2024

UPDATED: Hanson confirms he will run against Lee for Liberal leadership

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Jeremy Hanson MLA

Former leader and deputy leader Jeremy Hanson says the party should have done better when there was genuine mood for change in the electorate. Photo: Thomas Lucraft.

UPDATED 4:30 pm: Returned Murrumbidgee MLA Jeremy Hanson has confirmed that he will challenge Elizabeth Lee for the leadership of the Canberra Liberals.

A former leader and deputy leader, Mr Hanson would not criticise Ms Lee’s performance but said the party should have done better when there was genuine mood for change in the electorate

“I don’t think that we gave a good enough reason for people to make that change with us,” he said.

Mr Hanson said there were missed opportunities and some policies weren’t tested enough or released soon enough to give candidates time to litigate them.

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Nor were the government’s shortcomings prosecuted effectively.

“We’ve got to make sure that what we’re saying resonates with the community,” he said.

“We’ve also got to point out some of the genuine concerns I think that people feel about this government.”

The decriminalisation of methamphetamines and heroin, and infill development were two such issues.

Asked why the party should look back to him, Mr Hanson said he would bring experience, competence and credibility to the role.

“You’ve got to look like you can be chief minister and run a large budget and a territory and can handle it, and I believe that I’ve demonstrated that,” he said.

Mr Hanson said talk about the party having to become more progressive was a false argument that only served the interest of the Labor Party.

He said it was a non-issue with voters who were concerned about basic issues.

Conservative Liberals such as him, Leanne Castley and Peter Cain topped the vote in their electorates.

“I think we’ve got to move forward as a united party, and I think we’ve got to stop having these endless conversations about whether we’re conservative, whether we’re progressive or whatever,” he said.

“We are a ‘liberal’ party. We are a centre-right party, and we’re focused on centrist issues that matter to the people of Canberra; in particular, families in the suburbs and retirees where, you know, the Liberal vote is very strong.

“We’ve got to be a party that accepts that we are a big tent … and if we don’t do that, then we won’t win in 2028.”

Mr Hanson said that while the Liberals did not take government in 2016 with him as leader, he achieved the greatest number of seats the party had ever won (11) and almost won 12 during a politically difficult time.

He said he was now much more experienced and better politician.

Mr Hanson also made the case that the leader’s bounce would be more valuable outside of Kurrajong where winning three seats was almost impossible.

The best chances for the Liberals achieving that was in Murrumbidgee or Yerrabi, more logical places for the leader to be, he said.

Mr Hanson said he had spoken to a number of colleagues who would support him but could not say if he had the numbers to win in what is a small and closely divided party room.

Mr Hanson lost the deputy leadership last December after a party room spill, in which Leanne Castley emerged as the winner.

Elizabeth Lee conceding defeat on election night 2024

Opposition Leader Elizabeth Lee conceding on Saturday night. Some Liberals believe she was premature in putting up the white flag. Photo: Michelle Kroll.

The fate of any challenge rests in how the party room will shape up after the final seats are decided.

The Liberals could have 10 or nine seats in the new Legislative Assembly, depending on the outcome in Brindabella where there is a three-way tussle for the fifth seat.

On Saturday night, it appeared James Daniels would secure a third seat for the Liberals with a big early swing, but as the count continues, both the Greens’ Laura Nuttall and Labor’s Mick Gentleman have come back into reckoning.

Mr Daniels had the backing of moderate Gary Humphries, so he would likely strengthen Ms Lee’s hand, as would the demise of Hanson supporter Ed Cocks in Murrumbidgee, who is battling it out with Amardeep Singh for a second Liberal seat.

But if Mr Daniels fails to make it, the return of Mr Cocks combined with newcomer Chiaka Barry in Ginninderra could make the difference in such a closely divided party room.

Party figures have come out against lurching back to the right.

On election night, retiring MLA Nicole Lawder said that some in the party were more interested in wielding power than winning elections, pointing the finger at powerful players who have pushed the party too far to the right.

On Sunday, Ms Lee, who dragged the party to the centre in a bid to be more palatable to the electorate, agreed.

“I don’t think she’s wrong,” Ms Lee said.

“Obviously, there is a lot of work to do to make us electable, and certainly, one of the things that I’ve had in terms of feedback has been, ‘Thank you for, you know, making the party more electable’.”

The party so far has suffered a 1 per cent swing against it and could not replicate its 4.5 per cent swing to it in Brindabella elsewhere.

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Frontbencher Mark Parton, who polled highest in that seat, also agreed with Ms Lawder’s assessment and warned against any move back to the right, throwing his full support behind Ms Lee.

“I think it would apply to some party members and I would say to those members who are sitting back saying, ‘Oh, we’ve got to push off hard to the right’, where is it that you guys expect that we would pick up those extra votes because there were a couple of parties and individuals who are much further to the right than the Liberals who ran in the election and they haven’t fared well at all,” he told the ABC.

“So sure, we might gather some votes from Family First or the Belco Party. Where else do you reckon we’re going to get votes from? Do you think if we push to the right that we’re going to get votes from the Greens? Do you think we’re going to get votes from Labor? Like, get a grip here?”

Mr Parton said the centre was the only place from where the Liberals could win an election in the ACT.

A senior party source said Mr Hanson was not the right choice to take the party into the future.

“Jeremy’s about as good with his numbers as he is with party unity,” they said.

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I kind of admire this chap. Prepared to put himself forward to keep the leader’s chair warm for a while until the liberals can identify a real leader.

In the meantime, he can use the position to champion the Peter Dutton brand of politics to the local community. Maybe if Dutton is ever elected, he could be persuaded to launch a Federal intervention into the Territory governance, though they probably missed their chance when shonky Scomo was in charge.

Seeing the next liberal Chief Minister has probably not been conceived yet, we may well be watching Jeremy in the Opposition Leader’s Chair until he retires or is wheeled out.

Hanson, as leader of the Liberals, would condemn the Party to another period of time in the wilderness. It might be time to set up another Opposition party like the Liberal Community Party or some such thing.

@teddy bear
I think (happy to be corrected) the Belco Party portrayed themselves as a sort of ‘Liberal Community Party’, running candidates in both Ginninderra and Yerrabi electorates.

The party’s results were pretty underwhelming – with all candidates being excluded by the time the count, of preferences distribution, reached the half way mark.

Hanson, as leader of the Liberals, would condemn the Party to another period o0f time in the wilderness. It might be time to set up another Opposition party like the Liberal Community Party or some such thing.

Agreed Gramps, left wingers say the Libs have to move to the left to keep them in opposition, why be another version of Labor, people want something different, not the same “progressive” crap we get from ACT Labor and greens. Didn’t they say that federally about Peter Dutton and he is killing it atm. Before all you Canberrans get up and say Canberra is a left wing town they don’t like conservatism, wasn’t it Robert Menzies that helped build Canberra and its lake?

It really shouldn’t matter if you’re left wing, right wing, centrist, as long as you have good policies and politicians and can get them across to the public. It is the lazy left wing voter in the ACT that keeps voting Labor and blames the opposition for all of its own problems, because they are too “right wing” or “too conservative”. No one seems to blame Barr for being “too left wing”. Strange…

@Yogie
“… people want something different, not the same “progressive” crap …”
Apparently not, with 15 out of the 25 seats, at last Saturday’s election, going to “progressives”.

“No one seems to blame Barr for being “too left wing””
Maybe because “Canberrans (did) get up and say Canberra is a left wing town they don’t like conservatism”?

If the local left wing media actually held the government to account, people that may not have that much knowledge about politics would change their tune, but The Canberra Times and the local ABC give Barr a free ride. If you read the local paper for the last two weeks all they did is bag out the Liberals. I’m not going to mention it again but there is a list as long as your arm on the current government watch that if it was a conservative government they would be pasted all over the news every day and would have been booted out.

So your saying Canberrans are that rusted on that they vote left wing no matter how bad their government is or are you justsaying? OK great job, looking forward to another 4 years of pathetic “anti conservative” government.

@Yogie
Nowhere in the “Australian Capital Territory (Self-Government) Act 1988” is the media mentioned as having a role in our democraticprocess.

So, while you might assess the reporting by the media, specifically mentioning Canberra Times, to be favourable to a certain ideology – so what? It’s clickbait. Are you saying Canberrans don’t listen to Nine Radio station 2CC, watch and read Sky news – which are hardly favourable to the left?

The bottom line is that through our democratic process, the people have spoken. As an avowed supporter of independents holding the balance of power in the LA, I’m not necessarily happy with the outcome, but unlike you I do accept the “umpire’s (i.e. the people’s) call.

It is the job of the media, especially if it is the sole paper version to show some kind of balance and hold the current government to account. It doesn’t. Even the local tax funded, meant to be balanced and impartial ABC radio are Barr fanboys. I know this for a fact that a local journalist was rapped on the knuckles for asking Barr a tough question during the pandemic. Just clickbait according to you though.

Where have I said that I don’t accept the election result? In fact I have said for awhile, not to you of course, that Labor will win. This is not because they are a great or better government. It is because even if the Liberal Party was far superior (unfortunately they’re not) the majority in Canberra would still vote against them, because of their hatred for so called conservatism and blind faith in progressivism.

For some one that admits to voting Independents you sound very much like them.

@Yogie
“It is the job of the media, especially if it is the sole paper version to show some kind of balance and hold the current government to account.”

Really, Yogie? Here’s me thinking the job of the media was to inform, educate and/or entertain its readers. I also, obviously foolishly, thought it was the opposition’s role to ‘hold the government to account’.

“For some one that admits to voting Independents you sound very much like them.”
Hmmm … funny that, fancy sounding like an independent, when I voted for them.

Is there an echo here???

I was referring to the paragraph before

Thanks for reinforcing my statement that the local media doesn’t inform, educate and even entertain its readers on the failures of the current government of 24 years

@Yogie
So, now the local media has to source their content according to your assessment of the government’s failures. Got it.

Oh and apologies for reading exactly what you typed. Nevertheless, because I happen to disagree with you, I am “very much like them” – whoever “them” is. Again got it.

I did reply to this but it wasn’t published…

Capital Retro6:25 pm 22 Oct 24

The Liberals had the right person to lead them 10 years ago – Andrew Wall.
He was pushed out like so many other good people that were Canberra Liberals then.
The ones still there are simply job-seekers.

10 years ago Wall had been in the Assembly for just 2 years, but he would have made a better leader in 2016-2020 than Coe. Curious who pushed him out of the Canberra Liberals? He was in the Assembly and the voters of Tuggeranong decided they only wanted 2 Liberals in 2020 and Lawder and Parton were preferred to Wall. After 8 years in opposition and losing his seat, he decided to move on with his life outside Canberra.

Gregg Heldon4:47 pm 22 Oct 24

I hope that Elizabeth Lee stays on. I like her. She’s not perfect but she needs everyone behind her, in order to win in 2028.
Maybe she needed to lose this one as leader to see what she can do better. Unlike others here, I believe she is a genuine centre right person and that is the position that the Liberals have to be to appeal the voters.

Go, Jeremy!

Jeremy Hanson immediately jumping in to self-promote just shows how out of touch this guy is with regard to Canberra.

Whilst many of us are very fed up with the current ACT government, we could not bring ourselves to vote Liberal given some of the right wing policies so voted independent which is why their vote was up in terms of percentages.

Hanson has no idea, unsurprising given his out of date, out of touch dinosaur characteristics. He just sees himself as a leader even when others do not. That’s delusional. He is not liberal in the usual sense of the word. He’s regressive.

100% this, the Liberals could have won this election but it became quickly evident that Lee was just a “moderate” facade on the same old reactionary party. Hanson as the (likely) next leader only confirms those who feared change where right to do so.

Hanson = Loser.

He’s done it before, he’ll do it again.

More power to him!

I hope Elizabeth Lee issues the same challenge Julia Gillard delivered to Kevin Rudd, that the loser of this leadership ballot retire from parliament immediately and not contest the next election.

Mr Hanson was elected to office in 2008 and has not achieved anything of note since that time. He has been the chief instigator over these years in undermining the leadership and causing untold damage to his party. Elected party leader in 2013, he performed so badly that he lost the “unlosable” election in 2016. Elected deputy leader in 2022, his party dumped him the following year. He has been hanging around and sulking on the backbench, continuing to cause trouble ever since.

This will be the day of reckoning for Mr Hanson!

Will he be man enough to accept the challenge or will he continue to hang around in a party that does not want him?

Seems that Jack is scared somebody Barr can’t just bully into submission might be back in charge. 🤣

No one is scared of Hanson, not in this reality or your alternate one Ken, the bloke is a dope with a long history of failure.

The disappointment is that the Canberra Liberals seem determined to remain a non-viable option which isn’t good whichever party you support.

A non viable option to limp wristed lefties like you, seano. They are far too centrist for the liking of many.

Ken M’s nonsensical and bizarre history of rants in these pages and his support for Jeremy Hanson are revealing!

His ridiculous comments in undermining those he disagrees with and his defence of this man certainly explains the deep unease which is currently being felt within Liberal party ranks should Mr Hanson ever lead the Canberra Liberals again!

Ken M – Funny how those without a valid argument feel bound to attack the person, because they cannot win any other way. Jeremy Hanson is a has been who still thinks he is a leader, despite others seeing him as he is. I have to give him points for persistence or pig-headed determination, if not for critical thinking or intelligence.

That’s the most intelligent comment you’ve made. I totally agree with everything you said. Hansen as leader is another loss locked in at the next election guaranteed.

Hanson came closest to winning an election 8 years ago, so he must be doing something right

I voted Liberal in this election, but if they go back to Hanson, then they will lose my vote

HiddenDragon9:15 pm 21 Oct 24

“Mr Hanson said talk about the party having to become more progressive was a false argument that only served the interest of the Labor Party.

He said it was a non-issue with voters who were concerned about basic issues.”

Yes and no.

The likely continued deterioration in ACT government finances, and problems in important sectors of the ACT economy (e.g. today’s news from the University of Canberra, following closely on equally bad news from the ANU and CSIRO) will make more voters open to well-crafted cost of living/value for money policies, but unless things get diabolically bad in the ACT economy, there will always be a significant cohort who will be more inclined to decide their vote on values rather than with a calculator.

In a town which voted strongly for the Voice and in favour of marriage equality, the Liberals cannot afford to have too much ideological lead in the saddlebags.

@HiddenDRagon
The ACT Libs have a real conundrum.

While I agree “the Liberals cannot afford to have too much ideological lead in the saddlebags”, they also cannot afford to alienate the more conservative of their voters who could then drift over to the likes of Family First and Belco Party – in a similar situation as disgruntled Labor/Greens voters (arguably) drifted to IFC and Carrick.

GrumpyGrandpa6:49 pm 21 Oct 24

There is a view, (possibly promulgated by the left) that says for the Canberra Libs to win an election, they need to rid themselves of the conservatives (and effectively become a left-leaning party).

We hear it every election, about how the Canberra Libs are right-winged extremists. I guess if you aren’t a leftist, you must be a right-wing extremist?

Personally, I’m quite ok with law and order. I kinda like drugs being illegal, the Monarchy, valuing our history and culture etc. I’m not sure if that makes me a right-winged extremist or just a grandpa concerned about the safety and future of those who come after me?

I like what Jeremy Hanson stands for, however, I’m not sure whether that makes him a good leader? A good leader needs the support of the team and the ability to bring along not only the elected members, but the broader community.

With the likelihood of an alliance government, where the crossbenches are blocked and impotent, the next leader of the Canberra Libs needs to be a strong communicator. Someone who can strongly argue a point within the Assembly, but more so to the media. I’m not entirely sure that Elizabeth Lee has shown the ability to command an audience?

I would prefer to see the ALP run as a minority government which would enable engagement from the crossbones, where legislation was flawed, or simply bad. As Nicole Lauder said on election night, most legislation passes with the support of all members, which makes me think that this right-winged extremism that is preached is purely a political argument.

Whether it’s Jeremy Hanson, Elizabeth Lee, Mark Parton or Leanne Castley who takes on the leadership of the Canberra Liberals, for the sake of us all, regardless of our political persuasions, let’s hope that they serve us well.

GrumpyGrandpa, it is an error to assume that anyone suggesting Liberals edge a little to the left implies all Libs are considered extremists. It means they are not presenting an acceptable face and policies to the electorate.

I broadly agree with HiddenDragon in the post above yours, that the Libs do not need lead in the saddle-bags. Please note that far more people vote Labor than Green. Moving the Libs left does not mean accepting Green policies but literally avoiding them by displacing Labor in the centre. Votes from potential right-wing splinters will drift back to the Libs anyway, just like more Green voters preference Labor than Labor voters preference Green.

For completeness I will respond also to this:
“I’m quite ok with law and order. I kinda like drugs being illegal, the Monarchy, valuing our history and culture etc. I’m not sure if that makes me a right-winged extremist or just a grandpa concerned about the safety and future of those who come after me?”

Why would that make you an extremist rather than just a generation or so behind the majority of society? The point is that some things are not coming back, just like slavery was abandoned along with child chimney sweeps and the White Australia Policy. Not everyone was happy with those changes at the time or for a while after. WAP was abandoned only in the 1960s and there are still racists to be found about the place.

You can hold quite conservative views but do not expect that a corresponding party is electable in the majority in Canberra.

By the way, drugs are still illegal (obviously excepting alcohol).

GrumpyGrandpa1:14 pm 22 Oct 24

byline, you raise good points.

Agreed Gramps, left wingers say the Libs have to move to the left to keep them in opposition, why be another version of Labor, people want something different, not the same “progressive” crap we get from ACT Labor and greens. Didn’t they say that federally about Peter Dutton and he is killing it atm. Before all you Canberrans get up and say Canberra is a left wing town they don’t like conservatism, wasn’t it Robert Menzies that helped build Canberra and its lake?

It really shouldn’t matter if you’re left wing, right wing, centrist, as long as you have good policies and politicians and can get them across to the public. It is the lazy left wing voter in the ACT that keeps voting Labor and blames the opposition for all of its own problems, because they are too “right wing” or “too conservative”. No one seems to blame Barr for being “too left wing”. Strange…

The first question to the new leader of the opposition should be “The Canberra Liberals have taken stopping the tram to multiple elections and lost, will the Canberra Liberals now move on and support the tram?”

Seano,
They also took supporting the tram to the last election and lost.

As you yourself have pointed out, a large part of the Liberals problems are related to their ideological stance. Policies on the tram , stadiums etc don’t move the dial anywhere near as much.

It’s also a weird thing to put up as a popularity contest rather than an informed infrastructure and transport decision based on actual evidence and detail, of which there is very little.

No, they didn’t, they were anti-tram last time as well.

As for “an informed infrastructure and transport decision based on actual evidence and detail,”…Bwhahaha. The extent of the Liberal’s public transport “policy” didn’t amount to much more than Jeremy Hanson saying “Vote for me to lower your rates and stop the tram”…no wonder they lost.

Policy issues are important but the Liberals deliberately ran light on details and instead offered the standard Liberal party magic pudding…more of everything for less. Which of course no one was buying.

And yes the Liberals did nothing to assuage anyone’s fears on social policy. But I give them at least some credit for that, mainly because any attempt to do so would have been a lie rather than a genuine commitment to act in moderation and in line with the views of the electorate.

The public knows this Liberal Party is cooked, and the Liberal Party knows they know which is why they tried to distract with Coe and his BoJo flavoured stunts last time and Elizabeth Lee “moderate” this time. Now it looks like Hanson wants to take over and lean into culture wars….it’s a… bold… strategy.

What will it take for chewy and those of his ilk to finally get the message? Those same raucous correspondents in social media and newspaper letters pages whingeing about the light rail.

Canberrans have voted, once again, to extend light rail as they did in the previous three elections.

When oh when will they get the message and finally shut up?

Seano,
Sorry but you’re wrong, the Liberals policy at the last election was supportive of light rail on completion of a successful business case.

They actually did better this time.

You’ve then gone on a tangent about reasons why you believe the Liberals made a poor offering and didn’t win.

All of which are reasons why the election result on the weekend isn’t actually an overwhelming support for Light Rail or that it significantly affected the result at all.

Particularly when the information around future extensions is almost non existent.

How much will it cost?

What are the benefits?

For someone who claims to want policy details, this is clearly a massive omission for the current government. With an expectation they are given a blank cheque or that people won’t change their minds when the facts are released.

The two southern most electorates who theoretically benefit the most from the next stage of light rail voted far higher for the Liberals and elected an Independent who is agnostic about the best mode of public transport. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

Jack D,
Of course people like yourself will never understand that bad infrastructure and transport planning will always remain bad. I’ll only change my mind when the evidence changes. The problem highlighted by people like Hack is that Light Rail has become a political article of faith, rather than an objective assessment of facts. The exact problem I mentioned above.

No, they weren’t Chewy, they were campaigning on cancelling large parts of the tram project.

And I don’t see how the Liberals did better when 2 or 3 seats have changed hands and they didn’t get any of them.

Lee announced the Civic stadium policy 2 years ago, 2 years later at an election all she had was a figure she couldn’t or wouldn’t justify and an artist’s impression…she didn’t want to talk about the policy detail because she hadn’t done the bare minimum…you can pretend all you like that they had detailed policies champ but this ain’t it, their Civic Stadium proposal was a soundbite and Canberrans saw through it.

As for the government’s policy, I don’t give a rats, I’m no fan of Barr’s and haven’t defended him at all, I know for the rusted ons you’re either on team Liberal or you’re Labor or Greens (depending on the narrative) but not all of us cheer blindly for one team. I just see that Canberra Liberal as an alternative government are not viable, not only because of their cooked views on social policy but because they’re entirely unserious about important issues like public transport, climate and community infrastructure. BTW the QLD Labor should lose in a landslide but they’re actually closing the polling gap, I don’t claim to know why but if I were a betting man *cough* I’d suggest it’s QLD Liberals rhetoric triggering memories of the cooked one term Campbell Newman government….the same sort of dire one-term circus we’d get here if this version of the Canberra Liberals ever takes power.

PS. The facts remain Labor has built public transport, and schools, remodelled Canberra Hospital and are building the hospital in the north. Sorry, I know this upsets you.

“No, they weren’t Chewy, they were campaigning on cancelling large parts of the tram project.”

Seano,
This isn’t debatable, your position on what the Liberals platform at the last election is wrong.

You can argue they weren’t really committed to it or whatever but their actual position was support for Light Rail on completion of a business case. They weren’t proposing to cancel anything.

Here’s a quick reference, I can easily find more but there’s not really any point, it’s indisputable.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12671012

“And I don’t see how the Liberals did better when 2 or 3 seats have changed hands and they didn’t get any of them.”

Firstly the last seat is still up for grabs, so they may still increase their representation.

Secondly, they have had the lowest swing against them of the major parties as people moved more strongly to the independents on first preferences. I don’t know how anyone could think it wasn’t a better performance, particularly when you consider how Hare Clark actually works.

The rest of your comment just seems the same type of typical Jack D level partisan rant that has nothing to do with the points I’ve raised, nor the topic of discussion.

Particularly your last paragraph that just shows a skin deep view of what good policy, service and infrastructure delivery looks like.

I get it, you don’t like the Liberals for ideological reasons, it has nothing to do with my arguments as I’m not a Liberal supporter.

“As for the government’s policy, I don’t give a rats

Are you surprised when seano and jack are only separated by a waist high office partition? 🤣

“Canberra Liberals’ buses election promise overshadowed by confusion over light-rail extension”

Notice you left out the title of that article their champion. LMAO.

The Liberals were planning on killing the tram project in favour of buses as I said.

The Libs haven’t won that last seat and it’s more likely to go to Labor. And if the best you have to offer is “they have had the lowest swing against them of the major parties”, as if that’s in any way relevant in a preferential voting system then you really, really must stop drinking the kool-aide. Ken offers less delusional analysis (well maybe not but it’s the same ballpark of the absurd).

As for the rest of your clueless nonsense, pretending a random figure that Lee refused to explain and an artist’s impression is a policy is laugh-out-loud funny. The Liberal campaign platform was deliberately light on detail, they really seemed to think that the public should just accept the whinge that “23 years is long enough”. They made no effort to address the fears of voters on social policy, they made no effort to present a vision of Canberra backed with well thought out backed with detail…they were literally telling everyone whatever they wanted to hear. It was shallow and transparent nonsense.

“Particularly your last paragraph that just shows a skin deep view of what good policy, service and infrastructure delivery looks like.”

You mean the physical things that have actually been delivered lol. Good one Chewy…hahaha.

No Jack D they didn’t vote for light rail extensions. You’d need a referendum on the issue to make that claim. It would be good if politicians had the courage to do this and settle the matter once and for all, but first they’d need to present the facts including the route and the costs. Only idiots make decisions without that detail.

Canberrans voted against right wing politicians regardless of the tram. Looking at the big picture of voting percentages makes that clear.

It truly is like banging your head against a while when trying to have an informed discussion with clueless partisans spouting nonsense.

Did you even read the detail in the link Buddy? The title is simply around the wider bus network changes and other policies that were put forward in 2020.

Can you even provide the slightest shred of hard evidence to back up your claims that the Liberals were going to cancel stages of light rail?

From that article:

“Ms Burch told an election transport forum the Liberals were “absolutely” committed to expanding light rail, but said it was worth investigating whether stage 2 of the light-rail network should extend to Belconnen instead of Woden.

“We do want to conduct independent analysis to decide what the next best route is going to be,” Ms Burch said. “

The rest of your absolutely ridiculously comment is fanciful nonsense Champ.

Deluded might actually be a more apt description, now that I think about it.

You obviously have no idea how the Hare Clark system works if that’s your best analysis of the election results.

And:

They “built public transport”?

Public transport usage as a percentage of trips has gone down in the last decade. They built one light rail line and at the same time cut suburban buses and public transport functionality across most of Canberra.

They “built schools”? What schools? They also divested schools by consolidating a number of super schools which are still having worse educational outcomes.

They’re “building a hospital in the north”?

Whilst overall hospital bed numbers, waiting times and the major health performance indicators have declined compared to state and national averages under the current government.

And those were your apparent examples of policy and infrastructure success. LOL.

I thought Jack D was the most extreme rabid partisan out there but he’s actually sensible compared to the ignorant and hypocritical guff you’ve now repeatedly posted.

See ya Pal.

I don’t work in an office champion, not in the real world or your alternate one.

In other words, they were campaigning on getting rid of stage 2.

You can pretend it was an investigation but clearly given stage 2 was much further advanced 4 years later and Hanson campaigned on stopping the tram you’d have to be very, very dumb to believe that the investigation was anything other than an excuse to cancel the project…but here we are.

PS. I’m not interested in your jaundiced, cherry-picked, misrepresentative drivel Chewy….and neither is the wider electorate apparently.

See ya Pal.

Hanson’s vote in Murrumbidgee went from 22 per cent in 2016, to 12 per cent last weekend; can you imagine how long the Liberals will be in opposition if he leads them again?! He might pull off a miracle and push them so far into obscurity that a more reasonable party could become the opposition instead.

And poor old Ed Cocks was the one working his butt off door-knocking in this electorate and may miss out whilst Hanson was nowhere to be seen.

Sadly most ex-Army officers see themselves as leaders, yet anyone studying leadership theory knows that the military provides substitutes for leadership in terms of hierarchy, the rank structure and harsh penalties for insubordination. As a result you can take a poor leader, given him authority and power so he can take charge of people and order them around. This does not make him a good leader.

If we look across industries and look at all the Army officers who have been placed in leadership positions, only a few have done well. Some have done extremely poorly and created major problems for their organisations. Those who did well were people who did not rely on the rank structure for their leadership or authority, but who inspired and motivated people to do well.

To be fair he was always going to roll Lee win or lose.

The bloke is an absolute clown but at least it’s a bit more honest than pretending there are any moderates in the Canberra Liberals.

Enjoy forever being in opposition folks.

This is the problem in ACT politics. Everyone hangs around with their snout in the trough for the good wage. Hanson had his go and failed but I’m sure is happy in being in opposition and collecting the cheque. There needs to be a rule that they can only serve if elected in a maximum of 3 elections, then become ineligible so new blood can come in. Imagine Gentleman would have disappeared years ago Hargreaves wouldn’t have annoyed us for so long. That woman who hung around for ever in the Liberals would have be gone earlier and we wouldn’t need to be even mentioning Hansen ever again. If he gets the leadership then we can expect another 6 years or Labor/Green rule.

Hanson is the ALP’s secret weapon! There is nothing Centrist about his far right leanings. Here’s hoping that Amardeep Singh get elected.

Jeremy Hanson is closely aligned with the deeply conservative Young Liberals who have never supported Elizabeth Lee as leader. Jeremy, with the support of the YL’s and a few other MLA’s including some recently elected have been undermining her leadership for many years. Mr Hanson has been sharpening his claws in the leadup to the election and gave notice of his intentions on his Facebook page afterwards. It is remarkable those in the party who liked his post, including MLA’s and Nicole Lawder! Is Ms Lawder so stupid after her well-known revelations were revealed to journalists on election night? The destabilisation within the party which has been occurring over many years whilst she was an MLA, with Mr Hanson leading events with his strident efforts to wreck the party?

This will be a good old Liberal party fight where everyone gets down and dirty. All blaming each other for the election loss and getting stuck into each other! Who could forget the bust up when Bill Stefaniak lost the leadership with everyone in the party yelling at each other in the Assembly courtyard with shocked media looking on and filming events! This was when squeaky clean Zed Seselja emerged from the ruckus to become party leader and we all know the rest!

Just business as usual!

This is only the case when you have moved your Overton window so far to the left that anybody a hair to the right of Marx is “far right”.

Ms Lee tried to ape Labour by taking the party to the left …. not centre. Mr Hanson is centre right. Aping Labour doesn’t work. I look forward to Mr Hanson taking the party back to traditional Liberal values and sound fiscal manageent..

According to Wikipedia Hanson is the current Leader of the Opposition, so it was all his fault anyway.

Is it your argument, bob9000, that given the votes stripped from Labor went to centre-left independents rather than the Liberals. that moving the Liberals further right will be just the ticket to win those voters?

Do you instead believe that the Liberal right is divinely correct and all shall see the light? Failure to listen and adapt is exactly their problem. I would love to see a viable Liberal opposition, one that did not reject the electorate then blame the electorate for it.

Yep that’s right Bob the Canberra Liberals lost because they weren’t far right-wing enough and putting a far-right wing edgelord in charge will definitely not isolate the Canberra Liberals further from the majority of the electorate….lol sure, why not…lol

Well said byline!

Perhaps it’s time for Parton to put down the microphone and join Leanne Castley as a considered leadership team. They have the personal and professional attributes to lead Canberra Liberals to government.

Can people like Megsy explain what “progressive” is and why it is so good. Barr said it many times in his victory speech to point of nauseating. Under progressive Barr Labor Canberra’s hospital and education system has gone from one of the best in the country to the worst, we have lost our AAA rating, CIT and HRIMS stuff up, increased cost of living, rising rates and fuel, reduction of green space and increase of heat creating concrete high risers, stolen a private hospital when they promised to build one of their own, not shown costings of the tram.

Looks like it is the Labor voters that are delusional and have a tin ear. What is interesting is that the left think anyone that doesn’t agree with their hard left views are hard right. As for personal attacks Labor ran an advertisement against Leanne Castley that was shown to be a lie and was only pulled down just before the election. Blaming Liberals for Labor’s corruption, lies and incompetence is the hallmark of progressives.

doomeddisciple9:59 pm 21 Oct 24

Wow the whole western world is dealing with inflation and cost of living pressures and it’s…Andrew Barrs fault? Tin ear or a tin brain?

Libs ran two elections of NO TRAM and this one a borderline populist WE LIKE WHAT YOU LIKE LIKE US.

There was a lack of discipline and not just Lee flipping the bird & online trolling from Roberts.

Hanson might have the discipline, but he showed the political thermometer of a broken thermostat.

Both Labor and Libs lost ground on the primary for the Independents and they will be back next time and both parties will need to negotiated

There is no point in the Canberra Liberals being Labor Lite. You have to have the guts to stand up for centre-right values. That is what the thousands of Canberrans who voted for the Canberra Liberals would expect. Of course, the left-wing Canberra media would want the Canberra Liberals to go to the left, but a big percentage of the people who voted for the Canberra Liberals do not!

Entirely made up. As if anybody is going to tell Bushnell of all people about goings on within the ACT Libs.

Hanson was suspiciously quiet during the campaign and many of us feared he was waiting for yet another opportunity to grab the leadership. Lee was handicapped by having him on her “team”. To blame her for the loss without looking at the behind-the-scenes internal politics shows the party is just as delusional as ever.

It’s interesting that the people who didn’t vote Labor, because they wanted a change, turned to the Independents (who were mainly progressive-leaning) rather than going to the Libs. Hanson is kidding himself if he thinks the electorate is waiting for the hard right to take over again.

I hope the party also has a look at whoever chose the “Not Happy Andrew” cringeworthy ads. The Canberra electorate has made it clear, multiple times, that it doesn’t like such negative personal attacks. There are tin ears in the Liberal marketing team.

Hanson quiet! You clearly are not in the same electorate. Mr Hanson is THE most visible Liberal, often at local shops, sends a regular informative email newsletter and is very accessible online.

John Alexander Berry4:05 pm 21 Oct 24

I always considered Jeremy as a decent sort of chap!

And makes the Libs unelectable!

I’ve lived in this electorate for well over a decade, I’ve seen Zed, Ed, Liz and a bunch of others and never seen Hanson once in person.

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