Rider down in Isabella Plains

johnboy 29 March 2011 25

An 18-year-old Florey man who was involved in a collision on Drakeford Drive this morning (29 March) has died in The Canberra Hospital.

About 9.30am, ACT Policing attended the intersection of Drakeford Drive and Noorooma Street, Isabella Plains in response to a collision between the motorcycle and a car.

The rider of the motorcycle was taken to The Canberra Hospital in a serious condition and died about 3.00pm this afternoon.

ACT Policing’s Collision Investigation and Reconstruction Team (CIRT) are currently investigating the cause of the collision.

Traffic Operations Superintendent Mark Colbran said motorcycle riders are vulnerable road users and should be alert to possible dangers each time they ride.

“This is the second death of a motorcycle rider on our roads within four days. Police urge all motorists to be aware that motorcycles may be difficult to see in certain conditions and take extra care to be motorcycle aware,” Superintendent Colbran said.

This is the sixth fatality on Canberra roads for 2011.

Any witnesses to the collision who are yet to speak to police are urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or via the Crime Stoppers website at www.act.crimestoppers.com.au.

[Courtesy ACT Policing]


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dvaey dvaey 10:13 am 27 Jun 11

Primal said :

Looks like there was another motorbike incident at this same intersection this afternoon. Minor traffic mess while the police investigated but all moving on now.

Wonder how long until we’re all forced to have traffic lights or some other traffic control there, because some drivers are too stupid to see a motorbike. The stupid thing is, the driver will probably get off, because it wasnt their fault that they got distracted by their children in the backseat while changing the CD and doing the makeup, and theyll claim they were in deep thought grieving over Mully.

scorpio63 scorpio63 9:47 pm 26 Jun 11

It’s not a black and white issue – Dazzab says.

It is a fairly black and white issue (a rider is in the high risk category) riding on Canberra roads during Winter Dazzab. Its full on with some protection let alone without (protection) from idiots.

I love riding motor bikes however refrained from riding a road bike here in Canberra.

Speaking of black: on a rainy darker cloudy late afternoon or night, (darker day in winter) I have found black bikes with a female or bloke riding encased in black helmut, black jacket, black pants and a black balaclava fairly difficult to see coming onto roundabouts in the middle of bumper traffic right on dusk or early evening a couple of times.

Road riding in Cbr is a high risk category undoubtedly and statistically most road bike users will either be subjected to a ‘bad accident’ ie intensive care trip or die riding a bike (read the stats on the net somewhere a few years ago).

I would save the good rides for the highway travelling away and leave the bike at home during July and August working weeks to (a) live longer, (b) avoid brain and physical injuries, (c) enjoy quality of life and (d) enjoy some riding trips away from Canberra, extending longevity.

Primal Primal 5:27 pm 26 Jun 11

Looks like there was another motorbike incident at this same intersection this afternoon. Minor traffic mess while the police investigated but all moving on now.

erma erma 6:55 pm 30 Mar 11

It all comes down to the fact that, even in situations where you have right of way, a motorcycle will never be as visible as a larger vehicle. Motorcycle riders need to be aware of this fact every time they ride. It is of no benefit being in the “right” when you are on the hospital bed.

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 4:45 pm 30 Mar 11

Mysteryman said :

… Drivers/riders are required to have a certain level of competency to use a motor vehicle on public roads. Situational awareness and due care are are part of that competency. If they are unable to do so then they shouldn’t be driving. It’s that simple.

And yet, curiously, our authorities seem disinterested in enforcing competency-based laws.

dazzab dazzab 4:41 pm 30 Mar 11

Special G said :

How about everyone just pays a bit more attention to cars, motorcycles and bicycles.

If you are going to continue to be sensible and mature about this then we aren’t going to play with you. 🙂

dazzab dazzab 4:39 pm 30 Mar 11

Captain RAAF said :

Asking drivers to pay more attention sounds easy and simple, yet there are thousands of drivers caught speeding past sign-posted speed cameras, that have been in place for months or years, every day in this country, what chance do you think you have of getting them to pay more attention to motorbike riders?

It’s not going to happen, otherwise there’d be less riders killed each year because drivers are expetced to look out for motorbikes….but they don’t….there’s a message for you there, I hope you see it before you get killed or seriously injured.

I agree with you. I’m looking for perfection, just improvement. I’ve been giving serious consideration to putting my helmet cam on and just riding around for a day or two to show you what I mean about bad drivers. This isn’t marginal stuff but people who simply shouldn’t be driving. So why are they?

I appreciate your concern about my risk of being hurt. It’s not something I take lightly. Do you also advocate that drivers of cars should get off the road as well? A great deal of them will be killed on the road as well.

It’s not a black and white issue. But I stand by my point that drivers could use a bit more training/education and that would be a positive step. It is working elsewhere. Campaigns in NSW and Victoria are in place now. Probably too early to tell the results yet.

Cheers.

Special G Special G 4:18 pm 30 Mar 11

Drive with your head up your butt and kill a motorcyclist you still have to live with it and the culpable drive causing death charge.

How about everyone just pays a bit more attention to cars, motorcycles and bicycles.

Captain RAAF Captain RAAF 4:11 pm 30 Mar 11

dazzab said :

Captain RAAF said :

Makes no difference mate, cars out number you a gazillion to one, the odds are stacked against you, you don’t have a chance, you are going to get hit at some stage, it matters not how attentive you are, because there are a thousand inattentive car drivers all lined up to kill you while you apply your advance driving skils or skills honed to a sharp edge from years of riding.

Those are good points and I do think about them a lot as a rider. But I know riders who have gone for decades without a crash. I also know a lot who have crashed for the reasons you mention but came out of it ok because of their attentiveness to safety and riding skills.One significant aspect in making this a more positive situation would be to train drivers to specifically watch for motorcyclists.

Life is a risk. Indeed, didn’t I read that you are an ex-pilot? Nothing risky about that is there?

If I was an ex-pilot, I would have told you by now. =-)

Asking drivers to pay more attention sounds easy and simple, yet there are thousands of drivers caught speeding past sign-posted speed cameras, that have been in place for months or years, every day in this country, what chance do you think you have of getting them to pay more attention to motorbike riders?

It’s not going to happen, otherwise there’d be less riders killed each year because drivers are expetced to look out for motorbikes….but they don’t….there’s a message for you there, I hope you see it before you get killed or seriously injured.

dazzab dazzab 3:53 pm 30 Mar 11

Captain RAAF said :

Makes no difference mate, cars out number you a gazillion to one, the odds are stacked against you, you don’t have a chance, you are going to get hit at some stage, it matters not how attentive you are, because there are a thousand inattentive car drivers all lined up to kill you while you apply your advance driving skils or skills honed to a sharp edge from years of riding.

Those are good points and I do think about them a lot as a rider. But I know riders who have gone for decades without a crash. I also know a lot who have crashed for the reasons you mention but came out of it ok because of their attentiveness to safety and riding skills.One significant aspect in making this a more positive situation would be to train drivers to specifically watch for motorcyclists.

Life is a risk. Indeed, didn’t I read that you are an ex-pilot? Nothing risky about that is there?

Mysteryman Mysteryman 3:44 pm 30 Mar 11

Captain RAAF said :

Mysteryman said :

It seems pretty obvious that none of you have ridden a motorcycle for any considerable period of time. There are a lot of stupid riders out there – it’s the nature of the vehicle that attracts risk takers and thrill seekers – so I won’t defend them, but I will say that the largest danger for a sensible rider is people driving cars. I’ve had 4 or 5 close calls in the last 8 months, and all of them have been because someone driving a car has pulled out in front of me without looking, has tried to change lanes into me without looking, or performed some other manoeuvre without bothering to pay attention to what’s going on around them. Every time I have been travelling within the speed limit, and every time the only reason a serious incident was avoided was because I took the action necessary to avoid it.

There are a lot of poor road users out there operating both cars and motorcycles. Let’s not judge this poor fellow without knowing any of the details.

Mate, thats like a bullfighter complaining that the only things that have come close to killing him are bulls! They are erratic, they change their minds at a whim, you never know what they are going to do, they have pointy things on their heads that disagree with his abdomen, chest, balls etc.

You are not in a shared environment, no matter how much you think it is or should be, you are riding your motorcycles in the bull’s environment and whatever happens, no mater how much at fault the bull or car is, you bloody well know the risks before you even set out, so accept it as your fate, to die under the wheels of a car, probably driven by some old bloke on his way to lawn bowls.

Of course, you can change what fate has planned for you……..

That has got to be one of the worst excuses for poor driving I’ve ever heard. Drivers/riders are required to have a certain level of competency to use a motor vehicle on public roads. Situational awareness and due care are are part of that competency. If they are unable to do so then they shouldn’t be driving. It’s that simple.

Stevian Stevian 3:38 pm 30 Mar 11

Another one down.
Good show
How many more to go?

Captain RAAF Captain RAAF 3:26 pm 30 Mar 11

dazzab said :

Captain RAAF said :

enter the roundabout on my bike, notice very high speed moving car coming in to roundabout on right (mind you I have the right of way at this point).

Oops, that should say …in to roundabout on left.

Makes no difference mate, cars out number you a gazillion to one, the odds are stacked against you, you don’t have a chance, you are going to get hit at some stage, it matters not how attentive you are, because there are a thousand inattentive car drivers all lined up to kill you while you apply your advance driving skils or skills honed to a sharp edge from years of riding.

Asking all the crap car drivers to get off the road is as logical as asking all the whores with an STD to stop screwing, aint gonna happen.

I have never hit an motorcyclist or been in any kind of accident with one so it’s not like I have an axe to grind against them, it’s just the law of probability, you are in a nice tight fitting costume in a place from which there is no quick escape and there are bulls everywhere, good luck with it!

dazzab dazzab 3:17 pm 30 Mar 11

Captain RAAF said :

enter the roundabout on my bike, notice very high speed moving car coming in to roundabout on right (mind you I have the right of way at this point).

Oops, that should say …in to roundabout on left.

dazzab dazzab 3:12 pm 30 Mar 11

Captain RAAF said :

Mate, thats like a bullfighter complaining that the only things that have come close to killing him are bulls! They are erratic, they change their minds at a whim, you never know what they are going to do, they have pointy things on their heads that disagree with his abdomen, chest, balls etc.

What a silly comparison. A bull is not under any constraints at all, drivers on the other hand are required to follow rules/laws.

Just this morning going through the first roundabout on my way to work makes for a better example. I enter the roundabout on my bike, notice very high speed moving car coming in to roundabout on right (mind you I have the right of way at this point). Driver stares right at me and guns it cutting me off in the process. Now, had I been a less experienced rider it’s very likely I would have gone right in to that car. And you imply that I get what I deserve because I choose to ride a motorcycle?

All riders know what the risks are and we train to mitigate those risks to the best of our ability. Drivers should have the same level of responsibility. They are not free to change their minds and drive as you have mentioned in an erratic style just because they are in a car. It’s that very attitude that makes the roads a hazard to everyone which includes trucks, bikes, motorcycles, road workers, pedestrians etc.

Accept the proper level of responsibility or get off the road.

KaptnKaos KaptnKaos 2:53 pm 30 Mar 11

Mysteryman said :

It seems pretty obvious that none of you have ridden a motorcycle for any considerable period of time.
Let’s not judge this poor fellow without knowing any of the details.

Fail. So you’re judging the rest of us before knowing any details.

Let’s see, you’ve obviously done numerous advanced riding skills courses and have competed Australia wide at a national level in supersport and superbikes and have also ridden/toured the US, UK and Europe and have been involved with motorcycles for 30 odd years, oops sorry, I was assuming everyone had done this, not just me.

creative_canberran creative_canberran 1:53 pm 30 Mar 11

I passed it shortly after it happened. The bike wasn’t too far from where the impacted car was, laying on its side, it didn’t look too bad actually. The damage to the car was quite significant, one corner at the front caved in. Obviously some speed involved and from the looks of it, the motorbike had tried to cross Drakeford from Bonython. It’s a common thing along there, drivers crossing misjudge the distance and get T-boned.

Kudos though to all the drivers who kept left and allowed the ambulance carrying the rider get through okay for the most part. It was driving like ambulances very rarely do at quite a bit of hazard to themselves I would add. A pity though that at the traffic lights lights to Oxley, the ACT Urban Services truck decided to block the turning lane and despite the ambulance sitting on the horn and traffic stopping, decided to block its path for quite some time. Then turned in and continued blocking the ambulance until the ambulance gunned it. Those few seconds could have made a difference… you never know. Idiot could have turned left sharply and allowed the ambulance to pass with no hazard to himself. But no, just sat there despite sirens and the horn. Idiot.

Captain RAAF Captain RAAF 1:49 pm 30 Mar 11

Mysteryman said :

It seems pretty obvious that none of you have ridden a motorcycle for any considerable period of time. There are a lot of stupid riders out there – it’s the nature of the vehicle that attracts risk takers and thrill seekers – so I won’t defend them, but I will say that the largest danger for a sensible rider is people driving cars. I’ve had 4 or 5 close calls in the last 8 months, and all of them have been because someone driving a car has pulled out in front of me without looking, has tried to change lanes into me without looking, or performed some other manoeuvre without bothering to pay attention to what’s going on around them. Every time I have been travelling within the speed limit, and every time the only reason a serious incident was avoided was because I took the action necessary to avoid it.

There are a lot of poor road users out there operating both cars and motorcycles. Let’s not judge this poor fellow without knowing any of the details.

Mate, thats like a bullfighter complaining that the only things that have come close to killing him are bulls! They are erratic, they change their minds at a whim, you never know what they are going to do, they have pointy things on their heads that disagree with his abdomen, chest, balls etc.

You are not in a shared environment, no matter how much you think it is or should be, you are riding your motorcycles in the bull’s environment and whatever happens, no mater how much at fault the bull or car is, you bloody well know the risks before you even set out, so accept it as your fate, to die under the wheels of a car, probably driven by some old bloke on his way to lawn bowls.

Of course, you can change what fate has planned for you……..

Mysteryman Mysteryman 1:02 pm 30 Mar 11

It seems pretty obvious that none of you have ridden a motorcycle for any considerable period of time. There are a lot of stupid riders out there – it’s the nature of the vehicle that attracts risk takers and thrill seekers – so I won’t defend them, but I will say that the largest danger for a sensible rider is people driving cars. I’ve had 4 or 5 close calls in the last 8 months, and all of them have been because someone driving a car has pulled out in front of me without looking, has tried to change lanes into me without looking, or performed some other manoeuvre without bothering to pay attention to what’s going on around them. Every time I have been travelling within the speed limit, and every time the only reason a serious incident was avoided was because I took the action necessary to avoid it.

There are a lot of poor road users out there operating both cars and motorcycles. Let’s not judge this poor fellow without knowing any of the details.

blowers blowers 10:48 am 30 Mar 11

I agree, lets blame the bad drivers and not the innocent bike rider. My condolences to the young rider’s family but this must be a reminder to all how dangerous bikes are. You can’t blame everyone else for ever.

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