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Riot over lawn parking continues… [UPDATED]

Barcham 2 April 2013 67

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This will require a little work for those not keeping up with today’s drama. First go to this thread. It’s Monday’s bad parking photos, pay special attention to this photo:

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Rioter pptvb had this to say in the comments:

Oh, this is GOLD!
@ #11. I have a fair idea who placed the sticker on your car.
It is one of many pissed off neighbours.
Your “lawn” is actually the nature strip between the foot path & the road. You and other residents of your units constantly park there and it is dangerous.
Your vehicles block the view of cars turning out of Castley Cr. as the approaching traffic is coming over a slight rise & around a slight bend.
We have spoken to many residents about their parking, and the dangers, Parking inspectors have issued tickets, Yet laziness prevails over common sense.

Rant Over.

( I will send photos of your “lawn” to JB )

There was more said on the subject, but Pptvb was good to his word and sent us pictures. There’s one up top, and here’s another:
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What’s the verdict Rioters? Is this an ok place to park, and if it’s not is sticking stickers to other people’s cars going too far?

Our original anonymous posted has responded.

For the benefit of Pptvb, the car stickered and posted on the RA was not parked in any locations he (or she) has described and taken photos of. I’m not so sure it was on a “nature strip” either as there is no footpath between the house and kerb where I got stickered and it was not on Castley Cct either. Regardless someone still thought it was parked ‘illegally’ though.

Please Mr angry sticker phantom next time maybe just put a note under the wipers or in the letterbox instead. That was the first I knew of a unoccupied vehicles causing such offense in the area and to me the reaction seemed out-of-line and probably illegal also.

Thanks again RA and apologies for bringing some silly neighbourhood argument to the site.

Never apologise anonymous Rioter, the RiotACT is here to serve… and to argue about parking.


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Solidarity 1:01 pm 04 Apr 13

I don’t think you can tow or boot peoples cars here.

tim_c 12:47 pm 04 Apr 13

A_Cog said :

I’m going to draw a distinction between what is legal and what is safe. Based on the proximity of the white lines, it is not legal to park on the road. So residents park on the naturestrip, but that ain’t legal either. Oh, what to do?

Guess what, just because you live there doesn’t mean you have a right to park as many cars as you want immediately outside the front door. Try living in Sydney where you could well have to walk half the length of the street from the nearest legal car parking space (not that I’m suggesting we should aspire to make Canberra like that!). Just because your property is not adequate for your needs, whether it’s number of bedrooms or number of parking spaces, doesn’t give you the right to break the law and invade space that you have no right to – there are other alternatives!

Madam Cholet said :

I thought the rule as quoted above your post was with regards to a continuous white line…i.e. one that you are not legally allowed to cross. From the picture I can see a broken white line so assume that parking on the road is legal as long as they don’t park too near the corner or on the rise of a hill, (that might be UK road rules as I learnt them so happy to defer on the last two points)

Australian Road Rules prohibit parking within 10m of an intersection. The restriction on parking on a bend or crest only applies outside of built-up areas (eg. rural roads, highways, etc.).

chewy14 11:49 am 04 Apr 13

Madam Cholet said :

A_Cog said :

I’m going to draw a distinction between what is legal and what is safe. Based on the proximity of the white lines, it is not legal to park on the road. So residents park on the naturestrip, but that ain’t legal either. Oh, what to do?

I thought the rule as quoted above your post was with regards to a continuous white line…i.e. one that you are not legally allowed to cross. From the picture I can see a broken white line so assume that parking on the road is legal as long as they don’t park too near the corner or on the rise of a hill, (that might be UK road rules as I learnt them so happy to defer on the last two points)

There is a continuous white line between the two seperate intersections in the area, but they then turn into normal broken lines on the other sides of the intersections .
The area in front of where these cars are parked does have a solid line, so parking on the road would be illegal.

Madam Cholet 11:44 am 04 Apr 13

A_Cog said :

I’m going to draw a distinction between what is legal and what is safe. Based on the proximity of the white lines, it is not legal to park on the road. So residents park on the naturestrip, but that ain’t legal either. Oh, what to do?

I thought the rule as quoted above your post was with regards to a continuous white line…i.e. one that you are not legally allowed to cross. From the picture I can see a broken white line so assume that parking on the road is legal as long as they don’t park too near the corner or on the rise of a hill, (that might be UK road rules as I learnt them so happy to defer on the last two points)

A_Cog 11:05 am 04 Apr 13

I’m going to draw a distinction between what is legal and what is safe. Based on the proximity of the white lines, it is not legal to park on the road. So residents park on the naturestrip, but that ain’t legal either. Oh, what to do?

“Well, I’ll park on the naturestrip anyway, and at least I’m not on the road…”

But this laziness makes it dangerous for people coming out of the side street. So I’m gonna agree with those who think that such laziness and disregard for the safety of other people deserves payback. Go the stickers and vandalism. Pop the tires, jam paddlepops in the keyholes, do whatever. These selfish clowns deserve little sympathy, since they show none. And as for crapping on cars? This sounds like a job for the Ainslie Shitter… is there any possible way he could apply for one of those $10K crime-prevention grants from Simon Corbell? He could be some sort of public-interest vigilante, and drive all over Canberra in his Scat-mobile, crapping on these sorts of vehicles. That would be justice. Nana nana nana nana, nana nana nana nana… SCATMAN!

Madman 9:51 am 04 Apr 13

loosebrown said :

Madman said :

loosebrown said :

It would be perfectly legal for them to park on the side of the road.

Actually, no it wouldn’t be legal. You can see the unbroken white lines either side of the two intersections.

Sir I have examined the Australian Road Rules and cannot find your advice that it is illegal to parallel park on a road with double lines. Happy to be corrected though as this sounds like a sensible rule.

Division 8 – Rule 208 – Subrule 6
“If the road has a continuous dividing line or a dividing strip, the driver must position the vehicle at least 3 metres from the continuous dividing line or dividing strip, unless otherwise indicated by information on or with a parking control sign.”

gungsuperstar 9:41 pm 03 Apr 13

Jim Jones said :

gungsuperstar said :

pptvb said :

gungsuperstar said :

Jim Jones said :

You can’t tell the difference between putting a sticker on an illegally (and dangerously) parked car and punching someone in the mouth?

Grail said :

How does physical assault even remotely compare to leaving a note on the windscreen?

Ah, so now we’re distinguishing between acts of vigilantism?

Nup, doesn’t work that way I’m afraid. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and the people defacing other peoples cars with stickers that neighbours are proudly bragging are hard to get off is no no better law-breaking behaviour than the people parking there in the first place.

Point………. Missed.

Yeah mate, you did miss the point.

You’re trying to justify the vigilantism of ‘your neighbours’ because it’s causing you a minor inconvenience.

While my example was an extreme one, it’s no different – “your neighbours” and my hypothetical are both breaking the law. To ridicule one while attempting to justify the other is hypocritical.

We have law enforcement for a reason. And guess what? It’s not you.

I hope the scumbag vandalising people’s cars gets caught – without checking, I’m tipping that vandalism is a greater charge than parking illegally.

You do realise that your argument made absolutely no sense whatsoever and that you sound like an angry self-obsessed loon.

I’m gonna head down to this joint and whack some big stickers on the cars just to f$%k with you.

And obviously I’m dealing with a Rhodes Scholar when you just say “you’re wrong, I’m right” without saying why. Clearly the whole argument has gone over your head.

You might as well have signed off with “naa na na-na na”

Madam Cholet 2:14 pm 03 Apr 13

chewy14 said :

Or do a poo on a windscreen, which is infinitely quicker and more effective.

Do you mean infinitely quicker as in the actual act of leaving your calling card, or as in getting the neighbours to move their cars after finding your calling card?

If you were to consider this course of action, you would want to make sure that you were ‘ready to go’ so to speak. Nothing like being caught crouching on the bonnet of a neighbours car with your daks down….I would imagine anyway.

I think the nail under the tyre is infinitely quicker.

chewy14 1:34 pm 03 Apr 13

Jim Jones said :

Or do a poo on a windscreen, which is infinitely quicker and more effective.

This actually happened to a friend of mine who parked his car in the city and had too many drinks to drive home so left it there for the night. Returned the next day to find a lovely human turd on his bonnet.
Funniest thing ever, and it seems Jim Jones is now the prime suspect.

tim_c 1:29 pm 03 Apr 13

loosebrown said :

Sir I have examined the Australian Road Rules and cannot find your advice that it is illegal to parallel park on a road with double lines. Happy to be corrected though as this sounds like a sensible rule.

The real issue here though is the ACT Government not requiring developers to provide adequate parking within their developments. People would not park illegally if there was parking provided for their use….

It is illegal to park where there are double unbroken lines if any part of your vehicle is less than 3m from the unbroken lines. Rule 208, part 6 (http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Reports/ARRFeb12.pdf)

I’d have to disagree with your comments that people would park legally if there were sufficient legal spaces provided – many of the pics posted to the Monday Parking threads occur where there is no shortage of legal parking spaces.

You’re right in saying It is not unreasonable for people to expect to be able to park where they live… but you need to consider how many cars is it reasonable to park at each residence? actpla has minimum requirements for parking to be provided for different sized dwellings, but these are grossly insufficient if all the apartments end up as group houses where each bedroom is let to a different person, each with their own car. What is a reasonable number of cars to be able to be parked at a residence? What if I want to operate a taxi or chauffeur business from my home?! 😉

basketofcat 1:28 pm 03 Apr 13

p1 said :

Madam Cholet said :

Jim Jones said :

Or do a poo on a windscreen, which is infinitely quicker and more effective.

Ha ha, seconded! Maybe a nail under the tyre?

Spud in the exhaust? Prawns in the hubcaps? Vegemite under the door handles? Or, you know, something with chain.

Why not just park them in? What are they going to do, call the police?

youami 1:16 pm 03 Apr 13

loosebrown said :

Madman said :

loosebrown said :

It would be perfectly legal for them to park on the side of the road.

Actually, no it wouldn’t be legal. You can see the unbroken white lines either side of the two intersections.

Sir I have examined the Australian Road Rules and cannot find your advice that it is illegal to parallel park on a road with double lines. Happy to be corrected though as this sounds like a sensible rule.

The real issue here though is the ACT Government not requiring developers to provide adequate parking within their developments. People would not park illegally if there was parking provided for their use. It is not unreasonable for people to expect to be able to park where they live.

Of course the Govt has no reason to force developers to provide adequate parking. They recieve revenue by ticketing infringing vehicles. They encourage development by reducing developer costs and in the long run, they force people on to public transport.

It’s not the fact that the road has double lines but whether there is sufficient space (3 metres) between a parked car and the line so that traffic can pass without crossing over the line. I don’t know the road enough to be certain that two cars could fit between the double lines. But if they could, that is where they should park.

NoImRight 1:14 pm 03 Apr 13

Someone does something you dont like and as “the authorities” dont seem to have the same level of interest you think they should that then justifies your messing with their property. Yes I dont see how this plan could possibly have a downside.

Jim Jones 1:09 pm 03 Apr 13

devils_advocate said :

Jim Jones said :

You can’t tell the difference between putting a sticker on an illegally (and dangerously) parked car and punching someone in the mouth?

*sigh*

That’s why it’s an analogy. It compares two things that are similar but not identical.

Otherwise it would be “illegally putting stickers on a car is vigilantism, it’s like illegally putting stickers on a car”, a statement which, while true, is not very illuminating.

Technically, it’s a “really crappy” analogy.

astrojax 12:54 pm 03 Apr 13

won’t someone think of the children…

riotact parking threads are usually good value, but this issue has been done to death. as has been posted on several threads, it is illegal to park on the nature strip and it is facile to argue ‘but it doesn’t hurt anyone, why pick on me?’ agaisnt it. it is illegal. look that up. don’t do it.

can we get back to pictures of parking fails now..?

or ducks?

loosebrown 12:54 pm 03 Apr 13

Madman said :

loosebrown said :

It would be perfectly legal for them to park on the side of the road.

Actually, no it wouldn’t be legal. You can see the unbroken white lines either side of the two intersections.

Sir I have examined the Australian Road Rules and cannot find your advice that it is illegal to parallel park on a road with double lines. Happy to be corrected though as this sounds like a sensible rule.

The real issue here though is the ACT Government not requiring developers to provide adequate parking within their developments. People would not park illegally if there was parking provided for their use. It is not unreasonable for people to expect to be able to park where they live.

Of course the Govt has no reason to force developers to provide adequate parking. They recieve revenue by ticketing infringing vehicles. They encourage development by reducing developer costs and in the long run, they force people on to public transport.

p1 12:42 pm 03 Apr 13

Madam Cholet said :

Jim Jones said :

Or do a poo on a windscreen, which is infinitely quicker and more effective.

Ha ha, seconded! Maybe a nail under the tyre?

Spud in the exhaust? Prawns in the hubcaps? Vegemite under the door handles? Or, you know, something with chain.

devils_advocate 12:37 pm 03 Apr 13

gungsuperstar said :

pptvb said :

gungsuperstar said :

Jim Jones said :

You can’t tell the difference between putting a sticker on an illegally (and dangerously) parked car and punching someone in the mouth?

Grail said :

How does physical assault even remotely compare to leaving a note on the windscreen?

Ah, so now we’re distinguishing between acts of vigilantism?

Nup, doesn’t work that way I’m afraid. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and the people defacing other peoples cars with stickers that neighbours are proudly bragging are hard to get off is no no better law-breaking behaviour than the people parking there in the first place.

Point………. Missed.

Yeah mate, you did miss the point.

You’re trying to justify the vigilantism of ‘your neighbours’ because it’s causing you a minor inconvenience.

While my example was an extreme one, it’s no different – “your neighbours” and my hypothetical are both breaking the law. To ridicule one while attempting to justify the other is hypocritical.

We have law enforcement for a reason. And guess what? It’s not you.

I hope the scumbag vandalising people’s cars gets caught – without checking, I’m tipping that vandalism is a greater charge than parking illegally.

Law on vandalism isn’t so cut and dried. It’s a species of trespass to property, but has limits. For example, there was a precedent that specifically protected the right of parking inspectors to chalk tires. I’d be hesitant to call the outcome in a court case.

devils_advocate 12:34 pm 03 Apr 13

Holden Caulfield said :

No, it’s not an okay place to park.

No, it’s not okay to deface someone else’s property.

Two wrongs may not make a right, but they sure as hell make for hilarious reading on RA.

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