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Road black spots to be fixed

By johnboy 15 September 2011 30

Andrew Leigh has announced the local areas to get some attention from the Black Spots Program.

With $1.1 million of Commonwealth Money to match the same amount of local money it’s not very much in the scheme of roadworks. But here are the spots:

— intersection of Drakeford Drive, Summerland Circuit and O’Halloran Circuit at Kambah: $210,000 to upgrade traffic signals, provide additional pedestrian lighting and replace existing poles;

— intersection of Hindmarsh Drive, Athllon Drive and Callam Street at Phillip: $187,800 to install traffic signal mast arms;

— intersection of Tharwa Drive, Box Hill Avenue and Woodcock Drive at Conder: $63,000 for visibility enhancements, including improved directional signage, improved hazard signage and upgraded street lighting;

— intersection of College Street and Haydon Drive at Bruce: $310,000 for improvements to the pavement surface and traffic signals; upgrade of existing light columns; and improvements to kerb, sign and line marking;

— intersection of Southern Cross Drive and Kingsford Smith Drive at Belconnen: $161,800 to install traffic signal mast arms;

— intersection of William Hovell Drive and Bindubi Street at Belconnen: $120,200 to install traffic signal mast arms;

— intersection of Coppins Crossing Road and William Hovell Drive at Belconnen: $52,600 to reduce speed limit on William Hovell Drive; and

— intersection of Girrawheen Street and Limestone Avenue at Braddon: $21,400 to move the limit lines forward to be flush with Limestone Avenue.

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wildturkeycanoe 6:25 pm 18 Apr 12

aronde said :

I was heading home from Civic today and noticed that the speed limit on William Hovell has been reduced to 80km/h (from 90) starting from Bindubi Street! I thought the ‘black spot’ was the intersection of William Hovell with Coppins Crossing? Why reduce the limit from all the way back at Bindubi??

This is just another revenue raising exercise to catch out those who don’t pay attention to the little details. When they reduced the limit on Drake Brockman Drive to 60, there were large warning signs for a while to notify of the change. This change on William Hovell will no doubt be patrolled vigorously for the next several weeks to catch all those doing 92, 94km/h who think they are doing just on the limit, not realising that they are actually about $157 + one point less than the day before.
Gotta pay for the GDE some how!

aronde 5:02 pm 18 Apr 12

I was heading home from Civic today and noticed that the speed limit on William Hovell has been reduced to 80km/h (from 90) starting from Bindubi Street! I thought the ‘black spot’ was the intersection of William Hovell with Coppins Crossing? Why reduce the limit from all the way back at Bindubi??

yellowsnow 9:58 am 19 Sep 11

wildturkeycanoe said :

From my experience, that 10-20km/h can add between 5 and 10 minutes to a journey. If you get the first red light, you add say, 1 minute. Then because of that delay you miss out on the next green light and the next and the next. Instead of getting a 90km/h express you end up stuck behind cars who accelerate slowly and average a speed well below the limit. Try Belconnen Way into the city at 6:30 am. Red after red after red, day after day after day. I think they deliberately time the lights to make you stop at every single intersection. This, I have seen, causes some people to run the red light and do way over the speed limit to avoid the time delays.

+1.

Poor traffic synchronisation happens on so many roads, during peak or offpeak, whether you’re travelling with or against prevailing traffic. If you go from Ginninderra Dr onto Coulter, then onto Coppins Crossing Rd — almost guaranteed you get every red light. Same with from Benjamin Drive, down Bindubi and onto William Hovell — red lights all the way. And my pet hate: Hindmarsh Drive. You get a good run on the Fyshwick-Woden side occasionally, but at the Weston Creek end you get red lights galore. Worst are Streeton and Namatjira intersections. You’d think they were synched given how close they are, but whether going east or west it’s simply impossible to get through without stopping at a red at both of these. Once the red turns to green, by the time you get to the next intersection if travelling at or below limit, the second light turns red just as you get there. The only way to get through without stopping at both sets of light is to floor it and speed 5-15km over limit till you clear the second lights, which is what many people who’ve worked this trick out do. Others just do rat runs through the suburbs to avoid these lights.

In summary, if you’re still reading after my long rant, traffic lights can indeed induce bad traffic behaviour, especially when you’re sitting at red lights but there’s no traffic anywhere to be seen – common in canberra. But there’s nothing wrong with having traffic lights per se – it’s just that Roads ACT haven’t worked out how to program them for maximum synchronisation and traffic flow. If you go to Sydney outside of peak times and drive on some of their major roads with lots of traffic lights, there’s heaps of traffic but it flows fairly smoothly, Maybe you stop at one red light out of five, and when you do stop it’s only for a relatively short period, not one minute or more like here. Maybe ACT should take a good hard look at how it’s done in other cities, and learn. (not that I’m saying that Sydney traffic planning & infrastructure is a model we should all follow, but at least traffic lights there seem to facilitate rather than impede traffic flow

milkman 7:24 am 19 Sep 11

Felix the Cat said :

Nobody is” forced” to run red lights or exceed the speed limit, motorists choose to do it.

So why then can’t motorists chose to give way appropriately? Or keep left left unless overtaking? Or indicate appropriately?

We need more focus on skills and more rigorous testing, not more bandaids.

Felix the Cat 6:56 am 19 Sep 11

wildturkeycanoe said :

Jethro said “but seriously, the speed is reduced by 10 or 20km’s an hour for a small stretch around that intersection.. your total travel times would increase by less than a minute. It’s not that big of a deal to improve safety at an area that has been identified as dangerous.”
From my experience, that 10-20km/h can add between 5 and 10 minutes to a journey.

So if you know this why don’t you leave 5-10 mins early?

wildturkeycanoe said :

I think they deliberately time the lights to make you stop at every single intersection. This, I have seen, causes some people to run the red light and do way over the speed limit to avoid the time delays.

Nobody is” forced” to run red lights or exceed the speed limit, motorists choose to do it.

wildturkeycanoe 6:09 am 19 Sep 11

Jethro said “but seriously, the speed is reduced by 10 or 20km’s an hour for a small stretch around that intersection.. your total travel times would increase by less than a minute. It’s not that big of a deal to improve safety at an area that has been identified as dangerous.”
From my experience, that 10-20km/h can add between 5 and 10 minutes to a journey. If you get the first red light, you add say, 1 minute. Then because of that delay you miss out on the next green light and the next and the next. Instead of getting a 90km/h express you end up stuck behind cars who accelerate slowly and average a speed well below the limit. Try Belconnen Way into the city at 6:30 am. Red after red after red, day after day after day. I think they deliberately time the lights to make you stop at every single intersection. This, I have seen, causes some people to run the red light and do way over the speed limit to avoid the time delays.
If you want to see traffic black spots, anywhere you have a dual lane 90 zone narrow down into a single lane 70 zone is sure to attract fender benders.

milkman 5:37 am 19 Sep 11

cranky said :

Under the ‘Black Spot’ program, our overlords commenced work on the Mugga Lane/Long Gully Road intersection about 4 weeks ago.

Seems the money ran out when a street light needed to be moved.

As a result, the whole operation ground to a halt about two weeks ago,

We have some really, really good plastic barriers, a 60K limit, and absolutely F*@% all progress.

This is a blackspot. Govco have increased the potential for accidents. Can anyone see the disconnect?

The only thing that makes this a ‘blackspot’ is the lack of ability by drivers to give way. If people were a bit more sensible it wouldn’t be an issue.

We can make the roads wonderful, but when people suffer brain fade the results will, sadly, be the same.

cranky 9:48 pm 18 Sep 11

Under the ‘Black Spot’ program, our overlords commenced work on the Mugga Lane/Long Gully Road intersection about 4 weeks ago.

Seems the money ran out when a street light needed to be moved.

As a result, the whole operation ground to a halt about two weeks ago,

We have some really, really good plastic barriers, a 60K limit, and absolutely F*@% all progress.

This is a blackspot. Govco have increased the potential for accidents. Can anyone see the disconnect?

Jethro 7:40 pm 18 Sep 11

00davist said :

thatsnotme said :

First thing I did was see if there were any plans for the intersections of Southern Cross and Starke St / Florey Drive, and was disappointed to see no mention.

But then I found this, which I haven’t seen mentioned here previously – http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/roads/construction_projects/west_macgregor_intersection_upgrades

The project includes upgrades to the intersections of Southern Cross Drive and Starke Street, and the intersection of Southern Cross Drive and Florey Drives into three leg, single/two lane roundabouts respectively.

Finally!

This time last year I was living in Macgregor, I can say definatly, this section needs it, so that is great news!!!

I was there 1 year, and i cant even remember how many incidents and near misses happened there in that time, I think a fella even got killed there, if memory serves me right, it was a fella on a motorbike, at the florey interection.

I created a post about this very intersection a while back. It is very dangerous.

On Friday I saw a few surveyors out there, so it looks like things are happening. Good to see.

JC 8:09 am 17 Sep 11

In a few years time Coppings Crossing road is going to be replaced by a road leading into Coulter drive. So why don’t they do what they have done around Belconnen and build the start of the new road at Coulter and then build a temporary link road to join the existing Coulter. At the same time they can then duplicate that silly 400m single lane section of William Hovell Drive. That would fix the issues there, but yep would cost more than $53,600. Maybe one of the earlier posters was right, they will reduce the limit whack up some speed camera’s and then in 10 years can afford to do it properly.

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