5 August 2011

Rumours from the death in Braddon

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While we await a statement from police here are rumours we have heard:

    — The dead man appears to have been of Asian appearance.
    — His body was seen by passing motorists as the sun rose.
    — There might have been a weapon of some sort used.
    — There might have been gunshots in the night.
    — There were serious head wounds.
    — Northbourne southbound to remain closed into the afternoon

UPDATE: WIN are tweeting the victim had just got off the bus from Melbourne and was attacked with a sharp edged object.

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Holden Caulfield said :

Wily_Bear said :

…You are not alone in your offences against grammar though, as a quick perusal of Johnboys last post will reveal.

Or your own.

Too funny!

(Overall though, why bother bringing up grammar issues in web posts. It’s generally a meaningless addition to the conversation, and is usually only brought out when someone wants to assert some sort of superiority over another person. If I can understand a person’s point, then I’m not worried about the perfection of their (or my!) post. I say, chillax people!)

Holden Caulfield12:18 pm 08 Aug 11

Wily_Bear said :

…You are not alone in your offences against grammar though, as a quick perusal of Johnboys last post will reveal.

Or your own.

Northwest9 said :

Mysteryman said :

Well I just read through the entire thread, first thing on a Monday morning and without any caffeine, too. I feel a lot dumber for having done so. It has been at least a partially educational process, though.

Northwest9, your comments make you look like a d****head, but your ignorance of the difference between “your” and “you’re” makes you look unintelligent. Learn the difference between the two words.

grammar, the most pressing issue in this thread.

hahahahahahaha

It may not be the most pressing, yet it ranks as one of the the most annoying aspects. They have distinct meanings, and if you want the reader to focus on the content instead of the grammar, it is advisable to learn the difference. You are not alone in your offences against grammar though, as a quick perusal of Johnboys last post will reveal.

Mysteryman said :

Well I just read through the entire thread, first thing on a Monday morning and without any caffeine, too. I feel a lot dumber for having done so. It has been at least a partially educational process, though.

Northwest9, your comments make you look like a d****head, but your ignorance of the difference between “your” and “you’re” makes you look unintelligent. Learn the difference between the two words.

grammar, the most pressing issue in this thread. hahahahahahaha

Well I just read through the entire thread, first thing on a Monday morning and without any caffeine, too. I feel a lot dumber for having done so. It has been at least a partially educational process, though.

Northwest9, your comments make you look like a d****head, but your ignorance of the difference between “your” and “you’re” makes you look unintelligent. Learn the difference between the two words.

Chop71 said :

Darkfalz said :

I have been living in share housing since and now have $70,000 saved and am planning to buy a house later this year. I used government housing when I needed it, rather than becoming dependent on it and forming the attitude that I am entitled to it, like you have.

70k saved = time to buy a home.

70k saved = interest of $350 a month to subsidise your own rent, if need be…

Darkfalz said :

I have been living in share housing since and now have $70,000 saved and am planning to buy a house later this year. I used government housing when I needed it, rather than becoming dependent on it and forming the attitude that I am entitled to it, like you have.

70k saved = time to buy a home.

legal_chick86 said :

Meese, it might be hard to find somewhere to live, but if you really dont like it where you are, you do have options. There are plenty of people with rooms to share in their houses, i know because as much as i want to live alone, i simply cannot afford it, and i work full-time in Law!! Its not about where people work, it is about the lives we live and what we do each day. The bus system is great for the north side of canberra and there is always a bus that can get you to civic each day. Maybe the way to get across to the DHCS that it is a bad place to live in nobody bloody rents the units! If they cant make rent form them, they might take a look at the problems. By being an enabler, you are not proving your point.

Agree with everything you said, except the last bit. There are waiting lists a mile long for the cheap housing, so they will never have any shortage of moochers ready to move in. From my experience, they weren’t moved in the slightest that I paid probably 4-5x as much rent as the moron I was complaining about. While I think that criminals should be kicked out, public housing isn’t meant to be a utopia, it’s meant to be a temporary crutch to help people who are unemployed or on benefits have some place to live while they better their lives, or for the elderly pensioners without wealthy families who never managed to make enough to afford their own place (or lost whatever money they had through illness etc.). If they scrapped half of government housing and it was rebuilt as “affordable housing” that would at least be a good start, all those dole bludgers would have to move a step up and work for a living to afford a basic place, keeping them more or less out of trouble if they want to keep their jobs.

legal_chick866:31 pm 07 Aug 11

Meese, it might be hard to find somewhere to live, but if you really dont like it where you are, you do have options. There are plenty of people with rooms to share in their houses, i know because as much as i want to live alone, i simply cannot afford it, and i work full-time in Law!! Its not about where people work, it is about the lives we live and what we do each day. The bus system is great for the north side of canberra and there is always a bus that can get you to civic each day. Maybe the way to get across to the DHCS that it is a bad place to live in nobody bloody rents the units! If they cant make rent form them, they might take a look at the problems. By being an enabler, you are not proving your point.

meese said :

LSWCHP – read your previous statement – where you come across as a gun toting nut.

Darkfalz – you have no idea how Gov Housing works, do you?

Just been interviewed by the police, which was – interesting…

I was in public housing for 2 years from 2006-2008, starting when I was unemployed, so I know how it works, and know how DHCS operate. I complained non stop about a drug dealing piece of shit who lived below me, and played loud music at all hours of the day and night, even while I found a job, got promoted in that job, then got a new, better paying job – paying more and more rent all the time, eventually at market rate (which was 230 pw at that point, for a 1 bedroom unit). I was financially in the position to move, but I was essentially forced out in favour of the lowlife making my (and other neighbours) lives hell. Yes, there were decent folks in the complex who appreciated the subsidised housing but all of them wished they could get out. I have been living in share housing since and now have $70,000 saved and am planning to buy a house later this year. I used government housing when I needed it, rather than becoming dependent on it and forming the attitude that I am entitled to it, like you have.

Cantoangel said :

Northwest9 said :

Cantoangel said :

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

Keeping it simple and clean as I lack the eloquence of you folk here – even though it’s off OP topic.

– Parents left a country in war to be here.
– Worked hard for many many years to afford a house.
– In the meantime, lived at gov’t housing, daughter working through school and uni, and now working full time.

Does that mean I can be stereotyped in my youth as a poor druggo at 15?

If so, I hope you choke on your expensive wine, Northwest9. We can then use your brain to work out why it keeps firing off in the same neuron path over and over and over and over again.

Meese, good luck mate, I hope all your hard work pays off for you. I hope we find out why this poor fellow died.

Haha, in one breathe your complaining about being steriotyped as a druggo for living in public housing, then the next breathe suggest that I must drink expensive wine. Hypocrite….

And for the record, with a mortgage, one in childcare, and one on the way, cheap wine doesn’t get a look in, let alone expensive wine

Trololol? That’s exactly my point I was making. If you are to stereotype me, then I get to stereotype you.

You’re at a point where my parents were at, albeit you’re probably living in a slightly better place since you possibly have had a better chance at an education. ***Guessing here.

To make it easier for you to have some kind of sympathy, think of it like Sliding Doors. Remove a few opportunities of your life, enable a bit of hardship…it’s too much of a complicated issue to put blase generalized comments like this to troll.

To be fair, I do agree that cleanup needs to occur, as we *do* have lowlifes who abuse the system.

I don’t care if you stereotype me, not in the least, but if your going to complain about being steriotyped, as you did, it helps your cause to not stereotype in the next sentence….

meese said :

LSWCHP – read your previous statement – where you come across as a gun toting nut.

Darkfalz – you have no idea how Gov Housing works, do you?

Just been interviewed by the police, which was – interesting…

Although +1ing is such a waste of digital bits I think that on numerous occasions LSWCHP has proved his “gun totting” status. Bex not needed. Comprehension spot on.

Northwest9 said :

Cantoangel said :

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

Keeping it simple and clean as I lack the eloquence of you folk here – even though it’s off OP topic.

– Parents left a country in war to be here.
– Worked hard for many many years to afford a house.
– In the meantime, lived at gov’t housing, daughter working through school and uni, and now working full time.

Does that mean I can be stereotyped in my youth as a poor druggo at 15?

If so, I hope you choke on your expensive wine, Northwest9. We can then use your brain to work out why it keeps firing off in the same neuron path over and over and over and over again.

Meese, good luck mate, I hope all your hard work pays off for you. I hope we find out why this poor fellow died.

Haha, in one breathe your complaining about being steriotyped as a druggo for living in public housing, then the next breathe suggest that I must drink expensive wine. Hypocrite….

And for the record, with a mortgage, one in childcare, and one on the way, cheap wine doesn’t get a look in, let alone expensive wine

Trololol? That’s exactly my point I was making. If you are to stereotype me, then I get to stereotype you.

You’re at a point where my parents were at, albeit you’re probably living in a slightly better place since you possibly have had a better chance at an education. ***Guessing here.

To make it easier for you to have some kind of sympathy, think of it like Sliding Doors. Remove a few opportunities of your life, enable a bit of hardship…it’s too much of a complicated issue to put blase generalized comments like this to troll.

To be fair, I do agree that cleanup needs to occur, as we *do* have lowlifes who abuse the system.

meese said :

LSWCHP – read your previous statement – where you come across as a gun toting nut.

Darkfalz – you have no idea how Gov Housing works, do you?

Just been interviewed by the police, which was – interesting…

If you think that what I wrote indicates that I’m a gun toting nut, then I can only suggest that you need a Bex and a little lie down. Either that or some lessons in English comprehension.

Enough of this nonsense. I have better things to do with my time.

LSWCHP – read your previous statement – where you come across as a gun toting nut.

Darkfalz – you have no idea how Gov Housing works, do you?

Just been interviewed by the police, which was – interesting…

meese said :

johnboy said :

The point remains that your trying to use this tragedy to advance your agenda in the absence of real information as to the nature of the incident is now the most disgusting thing in this thread as far as I’m concerned.

Um, wow. Just wow. This ‘incident’ happened on my door step. & you’re disgusted? Thanks for your support.

shutupnoreally said :

You said :

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

+1

Because no-one who is worth anything lives in the outer suburbs, so it is more than fine to send all the social flotsam out our way.

meese said :

I shouldn’t be amazed that there are people in this world who appear to lack any compassion for their fellowman.

A man died because that is the ultimate price we pay for indulging such thinking.

A man died because he walked past an area the government puts and enables the very worst members of society who are too lazy to work, contribute to society or help their fellow man.

Anyone who lives long term in public housing and is not a) disabled or b) elderly is sponging off the rest of society. It should be used as a leg up to help you get a job (or a better job) and get out of the reliance on hand outs. Once you make enough to rent a place of your own, even if it’s half your income, you should do so. I’d like to see an overhaul where anyone under 40 on public housing is moved on after 5 years on it. I guarantee the lowlife who murdered this poor chap has been living easy on subsidised housing / centrelink payments for years.

meese said :

LSWCHP – So – your gun is loaded & in arms reach? You are irresponsible & should have your gun license revoked.

I too have lived in a house with guns. They were unloaded, securely locked in a safe, with the bolts & ammo secured at another property. We were responsible sports shooters – not cowboys. Read up on the stats on how people like you who are more likely to be killed by their own weapon.

Rampant arming of citizenry is not the solution to this problem.

Sadly, the societal engineering required to help resolve the problems here seems too hard for the Goverment & responsible agencies.

Roll eyes. What on earth are you on about? Seriously, where did I say anything like any of that nonsense you’ve just raved on about?

I never said anything like what you just surmised about the state of my firearms storage. For the record they are all equipped with trigger locks and locked in approved containers with approved locking mechanisms in a locked workshop separate to the living areas of my house. Ammunition is stored in separate locked containers.

Dimwit.

PantsMan said :

Forensic police now at flats on other side of Northbourne.

Cops up checking drains along Northbourne.

shutupnoreally3:32 pm 06 Aug 11

You said :

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

+1

The Northbourne Flats has been a ‘bad area’ for the most of the 23 years I’ve lived in Canberra. I’m sure there’s a few individuals living in the flats that are really trying to make a go of it, but their current circumstances prevent them from finding a more suitable/safe accommodation.

Hello. I just joined the RiotACT a short time ago and this is my first post.

I am a former resident of the Northbourne Flats where I had lived from 1999-2010. I am saddened about hearing of the death of a 27 year old man there recently. I feel that a murder was going to happen there sooner then later.

I left because of the violence and the troublesome meth heads that were there. Broken windows, screaming and general damage occurred there and housing did nothing. We even got a petition going where 85% of neighbours signed a petition to try to get ACT Housing to evict a nasty psychopath drug addict who was terrorising the neighbours with assaults, and smashed many windows. I was also witnessing a gang of unmanly vicious homeboys who were going around assaulting and mugging people. Many of the troublemakers just visited the complex and didn’t all live there. After 2007, I rarely ventured out at night-time and was always on alert when doing so. I was chased by this gang one night and was lucky to give them the slip. I was assaulted 3 times in 3 years by meth heads living at Northbourne without provoking anyone and after the last assault I essentially left fearing for my safety. I took a stand against this and reported these incidents to the police. I am very sympathetic to meese’s partner trauma of what she’s witnessed and admire people who have the courage not to remain silent and refuse to allow bad people to get away with stuff.

In the last 3 years I was living there I noticed that each year was getting worse and a lot of the good tenants were moving out and about 2/3rds of the new neighbours moving in were worse then the ones who had moved out. Still there was more good people then bad people at the flats when i finally left but the pendulum had by then swung more towards reasons for moving outweighing the more positive benefits of living there. Housing is in short supply in Canberra with the average rent being around $500 a week for a basic house so it is extremely difficult for people to break into the housing rental market here in the ACT being extremely tight vacancy rate. And being a low income earner you don’t get too much of a choice where you go. I know of many people who live in Northbourne and keep their heads down and ignore what is happening outside around them. It’s a coping mechanism. Fear of retaliation by thugs if you interfere in what they do is very real. Still I feel that the majority of people still living in the Northbourne Flat complex are decent people but more and more junkies now live in these Flats. I still feel traumatised after moving out 18 months ago and the stress levels are only now coming back down again now that I’m in a better neighbourhood.

I believe the dead man may possibly be a victim of a vicious mugging that went wrong perhaps carried out my a meth head. The police took a while to identify him so I’m thinking it may have been a robbery and i hope they catch the vermin responsible for it soon.

Forensic police now at flats on other side of Northbourne.

johnboy said :

The point remains that your trying to use this tragedy to advance your agenda in the absence of real information as to the nature of the incident is now the most disgusting thing in this thread as far as I’m concerned.

Um, wow. Just wow. This ‘incident’ happened on my door step. & you’re disgusted? Thanks for your support.

The point remains that your trying to use this tragedy to advance your agenda in the absence of real information as to the nature of the incident is now the most disgusting thing in this thread as far as I’m concerned.

JB – it is part of the social agenda. & the short sentence strawman is just that, alot of hay with no substance.

The media is quite happy to spin the partyline, & it’s the every day discrimination people like me face when I say I live in Gov housing.

But please, continue to indulge the trolls whose thinking is also part of the problem.

Cantoangel said :

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

Keeping it simple and clean as I lack the eloquence of you folk here – even though it’s off OP topic.

– Parents left a country in war to be here.
– Worked hard for many many years to afford a house.
– In the meantime, lived at gov’t housing, daughter working through school and uni, and now working full time.

Does that mean I can be stereotyped in my youth as a poor druggo at 15?

If so, I hope you choke on your expensive wine, Northwest9. We can then use your brain to work out why it keeps firing off in the same neuron path over and over and over and over again.

Meese, good luck mate, I hope all your hard work pays off for you. I hope we find out why this poor fellow died.

Haha, in one breathe your complaining about being steriotyped as a druggo for living in public housing, then the next breathe suggest that I must drink expensive wine. Hypocrite….

And for the record, with a mortgage, one in childcare, and one on the way, cheap wine doesn’t get a look in, let alone expensive wine

hmmm,

shooting just as much in the dark one could hypothecate that a man died here because the courts insist on giving dangerous people short sentences.

How about we wait for a court to settle what happened before we take this tragedy and try to bolt it onto our social agendas?

I shouldn’t be amazed that there are people in this world who appear to lack any compassion for their fellowman.

A man died because that is the ultimate price we pay for indulging such thinking.

Darkfalz said :

Having someone else pay for / subsidise your accommodation is a basic human right? Are you serious?

*sigh* & investment properties are subsidised too. Who do you kick now?

Basic human decency – u haz none.

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

Keeping it simple and clean as I lack the eloquence of you folk here – even though it’s off OP topic.

– Parents left a country in war to be here.
– Worked hard for many many years to afford a house.
– In the meantime, lived at gov’t housing, daughter working through school and uni, and now working full time.

Does that mean I can be stereotyped in my youth as a poor druggo at 15?

If so, I hope you choke on your expensive wine, Northwest9. We can then use your brain to work out why it keeps firing off in the same neuron path over and over and over and over again.

Meese, good luck mate, I hope all your hard work pays off for you. I hope we find out why this poor fellow died.

I really hope they catch the person or persons who murdered the victim, I feel for his family. It’s not safe to walk around Canberra in the dark, I certainly wouldn’t, it makes you wonder, if he waited at the Jolimont he would be alive today. God knows what his family thought when they arrived at the Jolimont and he wasn’t there, as they were expecting him.

Having someone else pay for / subsidise your accommodation is a basic human right? Are you serious?

user_unknown10:17 pm 05 Aug 11

Clearly I’m new to RA but seriously how did a comment about some poor guys death end up in people attacking each other about public housing, public servants and oh poor me! Here’s my two cents – also not relevant to the OP! Fire all the public servants that sit there all day on the Internet (I’m a public servant & I work my arse off), change public housing to two systems – those who don’t care about themselves or others in one section, those who’ve had a rough time but genuinely want to get back on their feet. Keep then separate & problems solved right? With the money the govt could save by getting rid of useless staff, might give those who deserve a break an actual break!

Lookout Smithers8:39 pm 05 Aug 11

There might have been a lot of things going on behind the scenes too. Might have been. Who really knows with these things. No one.

Darkfalz – Wow, having somewhere to live is a privilege now? And here I am thinking it’s a basic human right.

I’m not sure if refusing to do the share house thing and staying in government housing because you insist on having your own place (something even someone on a fair income can’t afford anymore, with even the crappier private flats running around 250 pw) qualifies someone as “working poor”. The paper says it’s 3% of families with a working member – which I can easily believe if it’s a person on minimum wage supporting a partner and multiple children. But not a single person. My main gripe with public housing and DHCS is that they protect and enable the vermin who do not recognise that having subsidised (even free) housing is one heck of a privilege, rather than forcing them out (and back into the real world) if they cause problems for their neighbours and neighbourhood in general.

Northwest9 – comprehension is a weak point with you, isn’t it?

The Frots – yeah, the trolls really come out of the slime, don’t they? Thanks for your support. Here’s hoping the poor man’s death is not in vain,

meese said :

Sad sad sad:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-05/braddon-body-police-update/2826404/?site=melbourne

God really does love stupid people because reading this thread you can see he made so many of them.

Some time back this thread was started over the murder of someone in Canberra. Meese and others have been trying damn hard to explain just what they go through in their end of town. Yet again some people posting here seem determined to get their ‘its about me’ time in and try and share their pathetic, bigoted views with the rest of the world.

How f*****g sad and dismal must these morons be? My advice Meese, and the others who have some sense of understanding, is to simply leave this thread and don’t go back to it. I have done that with a couple of the imbeciles I have encountered and quite strangely I have found that they then turn on each other – they can be like pirahna and do tend to eat their young it seems.

Still good wishes for you all over there!

meese said :

Reading back over this thread – it has struck me that Northwest9 obviously has just finished reading ‘Derailing for Dummies’ [see: http://www.derailingfordummies.com/ ] – and totally missed the point.

Which is a pity, because they might learn a thing or two about privilege.

You don’t find it ironic?

You are hating on me supposedly feeling superior to commision house tennants, yet, your inferring your of superior intelligence to me… But its cool if you do it right??

Lol

Northwest9 I think you will find it hard to hold an argument that JB has favored our special friend stevian. Stevian on the other hand, might have an argument. Just on statistics he is lucky to be posted at all. You got to respect persistence.

What I wanted to ask is, what about port and starboard. Where do they fit in to your left and right argument’s.

meese said :

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 – You know, I starting writing out about the money flow situation of my partner & I. And then I realised, it is none of your damn business. I’m not going to reveal more than I have to, so you can get your jollies…

You are really out of touch with reality, aren’t you.

As I’ve mentioned before – I’d love to move out. Who has a spare 2000 to lend us?

I suggest you go elsewhere for your perverse delight – this person is not for kicking, I bite.

your yet to explain what “working poor” is.

i know a colleague who complains to me about not being able to afford to leave thier govvie flat, usually just before they head out for a smoke, and a coffee, to nurse thier hangover.

Northwest9 – a tip for you – an anecdote is not evidence. How about you go sit on your mighty fine throne and read this:

http://www.canberra.edu.au/centres/natsem/publications?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZ6aWJvLndpbi5jYW5iZXJyYS5lZHUuYXUlMkZuYXRzZW0lMkZpbmRleC5waHAlM0Ztb2RlJTNEcHVibGljYXRpb24lMjZwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiUzRDExNjcmYWxsPTE%3D

We’ll check for comprehension on your return, shall we?

Oh – and for stupid pat expressions – how about ‘Get off the cross, we need the wood’ strike you?

So your saying your one of the working poor. And there isn’t a thing you can do about it, so I should just accept that, and accept the the right course of action for you is to complain about it rather than actually doing something about it, like saving some cash to get out, getting a better job, working two jobs, or cutting back on unnecessary luxuries for a while?

Nice army of strawmen. Allow me to use a flame thrower in response:

The right course of action is what I have done – showing people like you that living in this town isn’t all sunshine and lollipops.

I am doing something about it – I participate in community groups and policy making to make sure people aren’t abandoned by the system and left to rot. I care about other people. How about you give it a try?

It’s none of your business how I make my money, how much I make or what I do with it (the only people who have the right to know is the ATO.)

‘unnecessary luxuries for a while’ – I suppose breathing is a bit of an unnecessary luxury for some, eh? How about we ask the poor man who lost his life yesterday.

You really are a piece of work.

Are you saying that by telling you to move if you don’t like it means I dont care about anyone? Long bow to draw isnt it

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 – You know, I starting writing out about the money flow situation of my partner & I. And then I realised, it is none of your damn business. I’m not going to reveal more than I have to, so you can get your jollies…

You are really out of touch with reality, aren’t you.

As I’ve mentioned before – I’d love to move out. Who has a spare 2000 to lend us?

I suggest you go elsewhere for your perverse delight – this person is not for kicking, I bite.

your yet to explain what “working poor” is.

i know a colleague who complains to me about not being able to afford to leave thier govvie flat, usually just before they head out for a smoke, and a coffee, to nurse thier hangover.

Northwest9 – a tip for you – an anecdote is not evidence. How about you go sit on your mighty fine throne and read this:

http://www.canberra.edu.au/centres/natsem/publications?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZ6aWJvLndpbi5jYW5iZXJyYS5lZHUuYXUlMkZuYXRzZW0lMkZpbmRleC5waHAlM0Ztb2RlJTNEcHVibGljYXRpb24lMjZwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiUzRDExNjcmYWxsPTE%3D

We’ll check for comprehension on your return, shall we?

Oh – and for stupid pat expressions – how about ‘Get off the cross, we need the wood’ strike you?

So your saying your one of the working poor. And there isn’t a thing you can do about it, so I should just accept that, and accept the the right course of action for you is to complain about it rather than actually doing something about it, like saving some cash to get out, getting a better job, working two jobs, or cutting back on unnecessary luxuries for a while?

Nice army of strawmen. Allow me to use a flame thrower in response:

The right course of action is what I have done – showing people like you that living in this town isn’t all sunshine and lollipops.

I am doing something about it – I participate in community groups and policy making to make sure people aren’t abandoned by the system and left to rot. I care about other people. How about you give it a try?

It’s none of your business how I make my money, how much I make or what I do with it (the only people who have the right to know is the ATO.)

‘unnecessary luxuries for a while’ – I suppose breathing is a bit of an unnecessary luxury for some, eh? How about we ask the poor man who lost his life yesterday.

You really are a piece of work.

I was merely trying to point out that a high crime area should be targeted & cleaned up. But apparently that is a ludicrous suggestion to some people – go figure!

Haha, there’s a big difference between saying a crime area shouldn’t have it’s crime cleaned up, and saying if you don’t like your area you can always move, especially seeing as meese pays full rent and all.

Having wasted my day letting an internet troll wind me up, I’m off for a stiff drink… over & out.

Cheers

No problems, Calamity. I come from another school of troll management – feed them til they explode!

Enjoy that drink – after the last 48 hours, I severely tempted to fall off the wagon quite hard…

meese said :

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 – You know, I starting writing out about the money flow situation of my partner & I. And then I realised, it is none of your damn business. I’m not going to reveal more than I have to, so you can get your jollies…

You are really out of touch with reality, aren’t you.

As I’ve mentioned before – I’d love to move out. Who has a spare 2000 to lend us?

I suggest you go elsewhere for your perverse delight – this person is not for kicking, I bite.

your yet to explain what “working poor” is.

i know a colleague who complains to me about not being able to afford to leave thier govvie flat, usually just before they head out for a smoke, and a coffee, to nurse thier hangover.

Northwest9 – a tip for you – an anecdote is not evidence. How about you go sit on your mighty fine throne and read this:

http://www.canberra.edu.au/centres/natsem/publications?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZ6aWJvLndpbi5jYW5iZXJyYS5lZHUuYXUlMkZuYXRzZW0lMkZpbmRleC5waHAlM0Ztb2RlJTNEcHVibGljYXRpb24lMjZwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiUzRDExNjcmYWxsPTE%3D

We’ll check for comprehension on your return, shall we?

Oh – and for stupid pat expressions – how about ‘Get off the cross, we need the wood’ strike you?

So your saying your one of the working poor. And there isn’t a thing you can do about it, so I should just accept that, and accept the the right course of action for you is to complain about it rather than actually doing something about it, like saving some cash to get out, getting a better job, working two jobs, or cutting back on unnecessary luxuries for a while?

meese said :

Reading back over this thread – it has struck me that Northwest9 obviously has just finished reading ‘Derailing for Dummies’ [see: http://www.derailingfordummies.com/ ] – and totally missed the point.

Which is a pity, because they might learn a thing or two about privilege.

Reading back over this thread it occurs to me that Northwest is merely trying to provoke a reaction, which they’re doing very successfully so we should just call it quits. If they really are a person who believes the things they’re saying, there’s nothing to be done about that either as they are reading what’s written and turning it into something completely different.

They obviously hold resentment for those in some of the newer community housing projects which are really beautiful homes. I get that – I own my place (first home) and as such it is a cheap little unit just down the road from some gorgeous new community housing. I’d still take my life over theirs anyday, however.

They’ve also obviously had a run in with one or two very ungrateful community housing tenants, which has fuelled this intense dislike they have for them.

I was merely trying to point out that a high crime area should be targeted & cleaned up. But apparently that is a ludicrous suggestion to some people – go figure!

Having wasted my day letting an internet troll wind me up, I’m off for a stiff drink… over & out.

Reading back over this thread – it has struck me that Northwest9 obviously has just finished reading ‘Derailing for Dummies’ [see: http://www.derailingfordummies.com/ ] – and totally missed the point.

Which is a pity, because they might learn a thing or two about privilege.

Stevian said :

Northwest9 is a cariciture Right Liberatrian

Arguing with a Right Libertarian is like playing chess with a pigeon, They don’t know the rules, they knock the pieces over, crap all over the board, then fly back to the nest to proclaim victory

Thanks mate, that provided much comic relief. 🙂

Northwest9 said :

Calamity said :

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 – You know, I starting writing out about the money flow situation of my partner & I. And then I realised, it is none of your damn business. I’m not going to reveal more than I have to, so you can get your jollies…

You are really out of touch with reality, aren’t you.

As I’ve mentioned before – I’d love to move out. Who has a spare 2000 to lend us?

I suggest you go elsewhere for your perverse delight – this person is not for kicking, I bite.

your yet to explain what “working poor” is.

i know a colleague who complains to me about not being able to afford to leave thier govvie flat, usually just before they head out for a smoke, and a coffee, to nurse thier hangover.

I really think we should let this one go. Nothing is going to change this person’s mind. It’s too narrow to allow for any movement.

Please calamity, open my narrow mind, what is “working poor”?

Learn to use google.

Calamity said :

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 – You know, I starting writing out about the money flow situation of my partner & I. And then I realised, it is none of your damn business. I’m not going to reveal more than I have to, so you can get your jollies…

You are really out of touch with reality, aren’t you.

As I’ve mentioned before – I’d love to move out. Who has a spare 2000 to lend us?

I suggest you go elsewhere for your perverse delight – this person is not for kicking, I bite.

your yet to explain what “working poor” is.

i know a colleague who complains to me about not being able to afford to leave thier govvie flat, usually just before they head out for a smoke, and a coffee, to nurse thier hangover.

I really think we should let this one go. Nothing is going to change this person’s mind. It’s too narrow to allow for any movement.

Please calamity, open my narrow mind, what is “working poor”?

Cantily said :

This whole arguement = Yawn

http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/2011/08/03/so-youre-mad-about-something-on-the-internet/

That… was hilarious & true. Noted.

Northwest9 is a cariciture Right Liberatrian

Arguing with a Right Libertarian is like playing chess with a pigeon, They don’t know the rules, they knock the pieces over, crap all over the board, then fly back to the nest to proclaim victory

Cantily said :

This whole arguement = Yawn

http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/2011/08/03/so-youre-mad-about-something-on-the-internet/

Gee – so sorry for discussing an issue that needs to be addressed in this town. Hope you took your own advice and flounced off to have a sammich.

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 – You know, I starting writing out about the money flow situation of my partner & I. And then I realised, it is none of your damn business. I’m not going to reveal more than I have to, so you can get your jollies…

You are really out of touch with reality, aren’t you.

As I’ve mentioned before – I’d love to move out. Who has a spare 2000 to lend us?

I suggest you go elsewhere for your perverse delight – this person is not for kicking, I bite.

your yet to explain what “working poor” is.

i know a colleague who complains to me about not being able to afford to leave thier govvie flat, usually just before they head out for a smoke, and a coffee, to nurse thier hangover.

Northwest9 – a tip for you – an anecdote is not evidence. How about you go sit on your mighty fine throne and read this:

http://www.canberra.edu.au/centres/natsem/publications?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZ6aWJvLndpbi5jYW5iZXJyYS5lZHUuYXUlMkZuYXRzZW0lMkZpbmRleC5waHAlM0Ztb2RlJTNEcHVibGljYXRpb24lMjZwdWJsaWNhdGlvbiUzRDExNjcmYWxsPTE%3D

We’ll check for comprehension on your return, shall we?

Oh – and for stupid pat expressions – how about ‘Get off the cross, we need the wood’ strike you?

Northwest9 said :

Calamity said :

And aside from that – is that really your answer to the problem??! “If you don’t like the crime, why don’t you just leave??”
You seem to think the community at large should not have to investigate how to improve the situation – those that don’t like it should just leave?

How would that fix the problem? Oh, that’s right. It wouldn’t – but at least you wouldn’t have to listen to good people whinge anymore.

Unbelievable.

so what your saying is, there should be no need or want to work towards getting out of free or subsidised housing, instead, someone else, like the cops and the government should fix it. its my RIGHT to have top quality free stuff, and i want it NOW. govvie housing should be utopia right. comrade, i suspect that might not work in reality.

i also suspect when you pass away, you will request burial within 30cms of the surface, so you can still get a hand out

That is extremely far from what I was saying.

Northwest9 said :

Calamity said :

And aside from that – is that really your answer to the problem??! “If you don’t like the crime, why don’t you just leave??”
You seem to think the community at large should not have to investigate how to improve the situation – those that don’t like it should just leave?

How would that fix the problem? Oh, that’s right. It wouldn’t – but at least you wouldn’t have to listen to good people whinge anymore.

Unbelievable.

so what your saying is, there should be no need or want to work towards getting out of free or subsidised housing, instead, someone else, like the cops and the government should fix it. its my RIGHT to have top quality free stuff, and i want it NOW. govvie housing should be utopia right. comrade, i suspect that might not work in reality.

i also suspect when you pass away, you will request burial within 30cms of the surface, so you can still get a hand out

That is extremely far from what I was saying… just… really, really far away.

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 – You know, I starting writing out about the money flow situation of my partner & I. And then I realised, it is none of your damn business. I’m not going to reveal more than I have to, so you can get your jollies…

You are really out of touch with reality, aren’t you.

As I’ve mentioned before – I’d love to move out. Who has a spare 2000 to lend us?

I suggest you go elsewhere for your perverse delight – this person is not for kicking, I bite.

your yet to explain what “working poor” is.

i know a colleague who complains to me about not being able to afford to leave thier govvie flat, usually just before they head out for a smoke, and a coffee, to nurse thier hangover.

I really think we should let this one go. Nothing is going to change this person’s mind. It’s too narrow to allow for any movement.

Calamity – Natch. You have it. +1

Calamity said :

And aside from that – is that really your answer to the problem??! “If you don’t like the crime, why don’t you just leave??”
You seem to think the community at large should not have to investigate how to improve the situation – those that don’t like it should just leave?

How would that fix the problem? Oh, that’s right. It wouldn’t – but at least you wouldn’t have to listen to good people whinge anymore.

Unbelievable.

so what your saying is, there should be no need or want to work towards getting out of free or subsidised housing, instead, someone else, like the cops and the government should fix it. its my RIGHT to have top quality free stuff, and i want it NOW. govvie housing should be utopia right. comrade, i suspect that might not work in reality.

i also suspect when you pass away, you will request burial within 30cms of the surface, so you can still get a hand out

meese said :

Northwest9 – You know, I starting writing out about the money flow situation of my partner & I. And then I realised, it is none of your damn business. I’m not going to reveal more than I have to, so you can get your jollies…

You are really out of touch with reality, aren’t you.

As I’ve mentioned before – I’d love to move out. Who has a spare 2000 to lend us?

I suggest you go elsewhere for your perverse delight – this person is not for kicking, I bite.

your yet to explain what “working poor” is.

i know a colleague who complains to me about not being able to afford to leave thier govvie flat, usually just before they head out for a smoke, and a coffee, to nurse thier hangover.

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 said :

meese, who is it that is forcing you to stay in such dangerous living conditions?

We’ve established that you don’t recognise the working poor – so your question illustrates your lack of understanding of the circumstances.

no, you never did tell me, so why is it you cant afford to move out? under award wage? or dont work enough hours?

meese said :

I have a better question for you, Northwest9 – Why should I have to live in such dangerous conditions?

you dont have to, you can move out. no one is forcing you to stay.

And aside from that – is that really your answer to the problem??! “If you don’t like the crime, why don’t you just leave??”
You seem to think the community at large should not have to investigate how to improve the situation – those that don’t like it should just leave?

How would that fix the problem? Oh, that’s right. It wouldn’t – but at least you wouldn’t have to listen to good people whinge anymore.

Unbelievable.

legal_chick862:48 pm 05 Aug 11

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 said :

meese, who is it that is forcing you to stay in such dangerous living conditions?

We’ve established that you don’t recognise the working poor – so your question illustrates your lack of understanding of the circumstances.

no, you never did tell me, so why is it you cant afford to move out? under award wage? or dont work enough hours?

meese said :

I have a better question for you, Northwest9 – Why should I have to live in such dangerous conditions?

you dont have to, you can move out. no one is forcing you to stay.

People who cannot afford a nice house with tree lined streets have to make do with what they can afford, and sometimes, this comes in live with other people whom are “druggos”… there is this thing in some peoples minds that if its just not good enough, they just give up in a heart beat, no one actually bothers to try any more, and people wonder where the youth of today get it from!? (i know, a whole other kettle of fish)…

Northwest9 – You know, I starting writing out about the money flow situation of my partner & I. And then I realised, it is none of your damn business. I’m not going to reveal more than I have to, so you can get your jollies…

You are really out of touch with reality, aren’t you.

As I’ve mentioned before – I’d love to move out. Who has a spare 2000 to lend us?

I suggest you go elsewhere for your perverse delight – this person is not for kicking, I bite.

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Northwest9 said :

meese, who is it that is forcing you to stay in such dangerous living conditions?

We’ve established that you don’t recognise the working poor – so your question illustrates your lack of understanding of the circumstances.

no, you never did tell me, so why is it you cant afford to move out? under award wage? or dont work enough hours?

meese said :

I have a better question for you, Northwest9 – Why should I have to live in such dangerous conditions?

you dont have to, you can move out. no one is forcing you to stay.

Can not put this more simply:
Sometimes – circumstance. forces. people. to. stay.

My work colleague’s kids live in community housing – they are young, low income earners with a baby on the way who had no rental references and could not find accommodation elsewhere.

Somebody on here has already mentioned many refugees living there.

Single people with no family & very low incomes. No formal qualifications keeping them from securing high earning job. And no money or help keeping them from getting formal qualifications.

There is a severe housing issue for building & constructon apprentices in Canberra.

These all from the very tippy top of my little head…

I’m getting the distinct impression you have led an extremely sheltered life.

meese said :

Northwest9 said :

meese, who is it that is forcing you to stay in such dangerous living conditions?

We’ve established that you don’t recognise the working poor – so your question illustrates your lack of understanding of the circumstances.

no, you never did tell me, so why is it you cant afford to move out? under award wage? or dont work enough hours?

meese said :

I have a better question for you, Northwest9 – Why should I have to live in such dangerous conditions?

you dont have to, you can move out. no one is forcing you to stay.

Northwest9 said :

meese, who is it that is forcing you to stay in such dangerous living conditions?

We’ve established that you don’t recognise the working poor – so your question illustrates your lack of understanding of the circumstances.

That, and your tiresome ‘I’ve got mine, Jack’ attitude.

I have a better question for you, Northwest9 – Why should I have to live in such dangerous conditions?

TheDancingDjinn – sorry if I’m a little cranky – I think my first mistake was commenting here, thinking that fellow Canberrans would be supportive, instead of some of them being egregious clownshoes. Thanks for the legal ref (appreciate it) – when the SO has calmed down, I’ll arrange for us to go see Jaleh.

Northwest9 said :

meese, who is it that is forcing you to stay in such dangerous living conditions?

Okay, there is no way ANY answer is going to satisfy you because you are obviously failing to grasp the concept that not everyone has options – So let’s say that Meese does find a way out of it, what about everybody else living there? The issue is deeper than one individual.

Let’s say that every decent, hard-working person there finds a way out of those flats. You will still have the flats full of crime, albeit possibly even worse than it is currently. I don’t know about you but I’m not comfortable with an area like that existing within the same STATE as me. The issue being discussed here is that crime is running rampant there – and for obvious reasons, that issue needs addressing.

It’s not a matter of lazy-arse, bludging whingers blaming the system & damning the man. It’s simply a fact that there is a big problem which needs addressing, and that some responsibility for fixing the problem is that of community housing.

How are you not getting this??

meese, who is it that is forcing you to stay in such dangerous living conditions?

TheDancingDjinn1:28 pm 05 Aug 11

meese said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

meese said :

TheDancingDjinn – I am sorry to hear your story. Although I think you are a little naïve to think that somehow residents are responsible for ‘cleaning the s**t up’ – how do you think we’re going to be able to do that without breaking the law? If the police are sick of being called out – that surely points to an attitude problem on their side of things. Surely you’re not suggesting I become a vigilante, and mop this place up, as doing my bit. Revenge fantasies hurt the harbourer, not the tormenter.

Northwest9 – I suggest you read for comprehension – as you have thus failed the task.

Thanks Calamity. The help that is required is that our society looks at itself and works on making this place safe for all, not for some.

Here are some of my neighbours expressing their fear: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-05/body-found-on-suburban-street/2825228

If you had read my post you would see I gave you an option. No do not go outside and involve yourself, but the least they could do is look out the damn window or call the police and say someone is being really hurt. Or maybe they could just watch and maybe get a look at an offender, or a number plate, or a car model… you know all the tiny details that might help later to prove that the sh1t people are responsible. All the cops get is “yes this person did it to me” then with no witnesses who seen anything they go to the other person and ask if they did it and of course they say no… We need more witnesses DON’T BURY YOUR HEAD and help each other and the police to get this crap under control. I feel for you living in those flats – they are disgusting, and it angers me too that it seems nowadays crappy people get to do what they like and we get told to suck it up. I think if all the good guys in those flats got together and made a deal to poke their heads out of their windows when they hear screams outside and to write down a number plate or car model or two then the police would be able to come in and drag those dodgy bastards away from you.. If you identify them housing have no other choice then to evict those who hurt people it’s in your housing contract.

Uh, hello – read my previous comments. My partner witnessed a vicious assault on a neighbour and called it in. Identified the perpetrators down to their full names FFS (who, funnily enough, don’t live here…) – and so far the police have done NOTHING. I’ve even seen the culprits hanging around and called the cops. NOTHING. We call the cops to deal with what we see and hear all the time. What happens? NOTHING. Our car has been defaced several times. We’ve reported it. NOTHING.

Housing is notorious for taking FOREVER to evict people – in fact discussing this option with a Housing Manager about a neighbour who has threatened my partner & I on several occasions – their response, we should try and get out, as they can’t do anything.

We also have maintenance issues (which are also under our housing contract) – let me point out they are slack in resolving those too.

Maybe people should educate themselves about the truth. I’m amazed that here I am living here, and people are second guessing my reality. Sorry – I don’t believe in fairytales.

And i’m sorry if it seems as though i am discounting your issues with housing – i know their crap very well, which is why i gave you that lady’s name she will help you with everything you need – even moving to a quieter housing place or getting all your property fixed and so will the people who work with her – she is good. I believe everything you say, i have spent a fair bit of time there and i can assure you nothing you say is wrong. My issue is with other residents saying they heard stuff and didn’t help. THAT bothers me, i can’t handle the fact that they heard him screaming and now he’s dead… just the slightest possiblity that someone could have called the police and they came in time to find he only had a broken jaw instead of his head being so badly beated they can’t even tell who he is. Dying in a scarey dark place alone is harsh – whatever reason he was there. again sorry if it seemed as though i was saying you were exaggerating – i know your not

TheDancingDjinn1:17 pm 05 Aug 11

fgzk said :

TheDancingDjinn My guess is you have never lived in a dangerous environment for any period of time.

did you see my previous post – no i havent have i

TheDancingDjinn1:16 pm 05 Aug 11

meese said :

TheDancingDjinn said :

meese said :

TheDancingDjinn – I am sorry to hear your story. Although I think you are a little naïve to think that somehow residents are responsible for ‘cleaning the s**t up’ – how do you think we’re going to be able to do that without breaking the law? If the police are sick of being called out – that surely points to an attitude problem on their side of things. Surely you’re not suggesting I become a vigilante, and mop this place up, as doing my bit. Revenge fantasies hurt the harbourer, not the tormenter.

Northwest9 – I suggest you read for comprehension – as you have thus failed the task.

Thanks Calamity. The help that is required is that our society looks at itself and works on making this place safe for all, not for some.

Here are some of my neighbours expressing their fear: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-05/body-found-on-suburban-street/2825228

If you had read my post you would see I gave you an option. No do not go outside and involve yourself, but the least they could do is look out the damn window or call the police and say someone is being really hurt. Or maybe they could just watch and maybe get a look at an offender, or a number plate, or a car model… you know all the tiny details that might help later to prove that the sh1t people are responsible. All the cops get is “yes this person did it to me” then with no witnesses who seen anything they go to the other person and ask if they did it and of course they say no… We need more witnesses DON’T BURY YOUR HEAD and help each other and the police to get this crap under control. I feel for you living in those flats – they are disgusting, and it angers me too that it seems nowadays crappy people get to do what they like and we get told to suck it up. I think if all the good guys in those flats got together and made a deal to poke their heads out of their windows when they hear screams outside and to write down a number plate or car model or two then the police would be able to come in and drag those dodgy bastards away from you.. If you identify them housing have no other choice then to evict those who hurt people it’s in your housing contract.

Uh, hello – read my previous comments. My partner witnessed a vicious assault on a neighbour and called it in. Identified the perpetrators down to their full names FFS (who, funnily enough, don’t live here…) – and so far the police have done NOTHING. I’ve even seen the culprits hanging around and called the cops. NOTHING. We call the cops to deal with what we see and hear all the time. What happens? NOTHING. Our car has been defaced several times. We’ve reported it. NOTHING.

Housing is notorious for taking FOREVER to evict people – in fact discussing this option with a Housing Manager about a neighbour who has threatened my partner & I on several occasions – their response, we should try and get out, as they can’t do anything.

We also have maintenance issues (which are also under our housing contract) – let me point out they are slack in resolving those too.

Maybe people should educate themselves about the truth. I’m amazed that here I am living here, and people are second guessing my reality. Sorry – I don’t believe in fairytales.

if that is all gospel truth i suggest you call Jaleh Johannessen http://johannessenlegal.com/?page_id=7 she works with the welfare rights and community centre – when i had to force housing to do something i used her – she is a savage lawyer who will help for free. get yourself out – sounds like your partner is suffering from ptsd so if they are suffering like you say go to her. and tell your frinds to go to her. I wasn’t personally saying “you” are not identifying the crims.. but that maybe people like you who are sick of it get others to join you, can’t disbelieve 10 witnesses. I said before, i can sympathise more than you know. But the reprts of people saying ” i heard screams but i just went back to bed” really bother me – and if those same people who heard the screams and did nothing but now complain that there is crime well – my heart doesn’t really break for them.

TheDancingDjinn said :

meese said :

TheDancingDjinn – I am sorry to hear your story. Although I think you are a little naïve to think that somehow residents are responsible for ‘cleaning the s**t up’ – how do you think we’re going to be able to do that without breaking the law? If the police are sick of being called out – that surely points to an attitude problem on their side of things. Surely you’re not suggesting I become a vigilante, and mop this place up, as doing my bit. Revenge fantasies hurt the harbourer, not the tormenter.

Northwest9 – I suggest you read for comprehension – as you have thus failed the task.

Thanks Calamity. The help that is required is that our society looks at itself and works on making this place safe for all, not for some.

Here are some of my neighbours expressing their fear: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-05/body-found-on-suburban-street/2825228

If you had read my post you would see I gave you an option. No do not go outside and involve yourself, but the least they could do is look out the damn window or call the police and say someone is being really hurt. Or maybe they could just watch and maybe get a look at an offender, or a number plate, or a car model… you know all the tiny details that might help later to prove that the sh1t people are responsible. All the cops get is “yes this person did it to me” then with no witnesses who seen anything they go to the other person and ask if they did it and of course they say no… We need more witnesses DON’T BURY YOUR HEAD and help each other and the police to get this crap under control. I feel for you living in those flats – they are disgusting, and it angers me too that it seems nowadays crappy people get to do what they like and we get told to suck it up. I think if all the good guys in those flats got together and made a deal to poke their heads out of their windows when they hear screams outside and to write down a number plate or car model or two then the police would be able to come in and drag those dodgy bastards away from you.. If you identify them housing have no other choice then to evict those who hurt people it’s in your housing contract.

Uh, hello – read my previous comments. My partner witnessed a vicious assault on a neighbour and called it in. Identified the perpetrators down to their full names FFS (who, funnily enough, don’t live here…) – and so far the police have done NOTHING. I’ve even seen the culprits hanging around and called the cops. NOTHING. We call the cops to deal with what we see and hear all the time. What happens? NOTHING. Our car has been defaced several times. We’ve reported it. NOTHING.

Housing is notorious for taking FOREVER to evict people – in fact discussing this option with a Housing Manager about a neighbour who has threatened my partner & I on several occasions – their response, we should try and get out, as they can’t do anything.

We also have maintenance issues (which are also under our housing contract) – let me point out they are slack in resolving those too.

Maybe people should educate themselves about the truth. I’m amazed that here I am living here, and people are second guessing my reality. Sorry – I don’t believe in fairytales.

TheDancingDjinn My guess is you have never lived in a dangerous environment for any period of time.

TheDancingDjinn12:31 pm 05 Aug 11

meese said :

TheDancingDjinn – I am sorry to hear your story. Although I think you are a little naïve to think that somehow residents are responsible for ‘cleaning the s**t up’ – how do you think we’re going to be able to do that without breaking the law? If the police are sick of being called out – that surely points to an attitude problem on their side of things. Surely you’re not suggesting I become a vigilante, and mop this place up, as doing my bit. Revenge fantasies hurt the harbourer, not the tormenter.

Northwest9 – I suggest you read for comprehension – as you have thus failed the task.

Thanks Calamity. The help that is required is that our society looks at itself and works on making this place safe for all, not for some.

Here are some of my neighbours expressing their fear: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-05/body-found-on-suburban-street/2825228

If you had read my post you would see I gave you an option. No do not go outside and involve yourself, but the least they could do is look out the damn window or call the police and say someone is being really hurt. Or maybe they could just watch and maybe get a look at an offender, or a number plate, or a car model… you know all the tiny details that might help later to prove that the sh1t people are responsible. All the cops get is “yes this person did it to me” then with no witnesses who seen anything they go to the other person and ask if they did it and of course they say no… We need more witnesses DON’T BURY YOUR HEAD and help each other and the police to get this crap under control. I feel for you living in those flats – they are disgusting, and it angers me too that it seems nowadays crappy people get to do what they like and we get told to suck it up. I think if all the good guys in those flats got together and made a deal to poke their heads out of their windows when they hear screams outside and to write down a number plate or car model or two then the police would be able to come in and drag those dodgy bastards away from you.. If you identify them housing have no other choice then to evict those who hurt people it’s in your housing contract.

carmangetit said :

I think you are all missing the point here……whether the victim was a “druggo” or “scum” or whatever you want to call him, he was brutally murdered, bashed to a pulp according to news reports….This is a human being that didn’t deserve to have his life end in this atrocious way!!! What has happened to so-called humanity out there? Does anyone have a compassionate bone in their body anymore?

Where on this thread has anyone said he deserved it? Get a grip.

TheDancingDjinn – I am sorry to hear your story. Although I think you are a little naïve to think that somehow residents are responsible for ‘cleaning the s**t up’ – how do you think we’re going to be able to do that without breaking the law? If the police are sick of being called out – that surely points to an attitude problem on their side of things. Surely you’re not suggesting I become a vigilante, and mop this place up, as doing my bit. Revenge fantasies hurt the harbourer, not the tormenter.

Northwest9 – I suggest you read for comprehension – as you have thus failed the task.

Thanks Calamity. The help that is required is that our society looks at itself and works on making this place safe for all, not for some.

Here are some of my neighbours expressing their fear: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-05/body-found-on-suburban-street/2825228

carmangetit said :

I think you are all missing the point here……whether the victim was a “druggo” or “scum” or whatever you want to call him, he was brutally murdered, bashed to a pulp according to news reports….This is a human being that didn’t deserve to have his life end in this atrocious way!!! What has happened to so-called humanity out there? Does anyone have a compassionate bone in their body anymore?

+1

I think you are all missing the point here……whether the victim was a “druggo” or “scum” or whatever you want to call him, he was brutally murdered, bashed to a pulp according to news reports….This is a human being that didn’t deserve to have his life end in this atrocious way!!! What has happened to so-called humanity out there? Does anyone have a compassionate bone in their body anymore?

Northwest9 said :

fgzk said :

Tooks said :

meese said :

“Superintendent McCann said the area was not considered by police as a “crime hot spot”.” – from the Canberra Times.

Considering how lax the Jacks are to the reality of the situation… Dealing with them & Housing about the regular violence & criminality of this area…

I am f**king gobsmacked.

We actually told the cops 2 weeks ago – what is it going to take, someone dying? And here we are, total denial of what is going on.

I’m completely floored.

You’re floored? Why? Media reports a number of people heard sounds of yelling, fighting etc (turns out to be a murder), yet no one called police or even poked their heads out the window.

I guess they all knew how pointless calling the police would be.

so now its the polices fault?

No, it sounds as though the area is in such incredibly bad shape it has become a vicious cycle. Crime is so bad it’s become the norm, so residents have learnt to live with it and on the occasion they do call the police it sounds as though it isn’t always attended to in the same manner it might be in other areas of Canberra. I don’t think it needs to be a blame game necessarily. It’s obviously gotten out of control and there is only so much the cops can do in an area so rife with crime.

I don’t doubt that if I live in O’Malley and I call the cops for a noise disturbance next door, they would be on my doorstep shortly because that is certainly abnormal and probably cause for concern. If I live in these flats and I call the police for a noise disturbance next door, I don’t think it’s out of the realms of possibilitt that the response might not be quite the same. I am NOT bashing the police here – merely pointing out that seems to be the evidence being presented here – that the place is out of control.

fgzk said :

Tooks said :

meese said :

“Superintendent McCann said the area was not considered by police as a “crime hot spot”.” – from the Canberra Times.

Considering how lax the Jacks are to the reality of the situation… Dealing with them & Housing about the regular violence & criminality of this area…

I am f**king gobsmacked.

We actually told the cops 2 weeks ago – what is it going to take, someone dying? And here we are, total denial of what is going on.

I’m completely floored.

You’re floored? Why? Media reports a number of people heard sounds of yelling, fighting etc (turns out to be a murder), yet no one called police or even poked their heads out the window.

I guess they all knew how pointless calling the police would be.

so now its the polices fault?

meese said :

legal_chick86 said :

meese said :

Oh – for those that do care – my partner who witnessed a vicious assault of one of our neighbours last month is now afraid to leave the flat, as they are petrified that who ever killed that man are the same people.

I guess living in fear is something you’re never experienced, Northwest9. Cheers – hope you feel mighty tall.

I hope your partner came forward and reminded the Police of that incedent and who was involved…

My partner was interviewed by the police yesterday afternoon. Actually just raised their anxiety levels, as so far – the cops haven’t really done much to sort out the s**t that does occur here.

Time will tell I suppose. Hopefully with no more death and injury to anyone.

*sigh* the trolls have brought me down too.

Don’t let some of the silly comments here bring you down. There are always going to be uncompassionate, narrow-minded people whom form such a negative view of a certain group/situation and stick to it no matter what argument is presented to them.

I’m sure that at heart we can all agree nobody should have to live in such circumstances, and it is HIGHLY unlikely that doing so is a choice by the residents – and certainly it is not their fault.

We should be helping you. Seems quite straightforward to me.

Holden Caulfield10:59 am 05 Aug 11

How big is the smile on Northwest9’s face right now: http://the-riotact.com/forde-eccy-bust/51650

TheDancingDjinn10:53 am 05 Aug 11

fgzk said :

Tooks said :

meese said :

“Superintendent McCann said the area was not considered by police as a “crime hot spot”.” – from the Canberra Times.

Considering how lax the Jacks are to the reality of the situation… Dealing with them & Housing about the regular violence & criminality of this area…

I am f**king gobsmacked.

We actually told the cops 2 weeks ago – what is it going to take, someone dying? And here we are, total denial of what is going on.

I’m completely floored.

You’re floored? Why? Media reports a number of people heard sounds of yelling, fighting etc (turns out to be a murder), yet no one called police or even poked their heads out the window.

I guess they all knew how pointless calling the police would be.

I have lived in a Government Housing flat in my youth, so I am sympathetic to the innocent who live there and cause n trouble.
But Tooks is right; people there bury their heads to the violence around them. And as a consequence the sh1t feel free to commit whatever atrocity they desire because they know no one is going to risk retribution by speaking to the police.
While I was living in my flat I was lucky enough to mostly have good neighbours, old people mostly.
One night I came home late and found someone had broken into my home, and was still inside. The person hurt me physically, and as I was screaming for help, no one came. No one called the police; no one looked out their windows to see the person leave. No one came out till I struggled to call the police and I was helped by them. A week later I received a letter from housing saying a complaint was made on the night of my attack for being too loud – I was complained about for screaming for help.
It took me a lot of therapy to be able to be near people again after that. I moved away and although I used the housing service for a little bit longer, I was able to find myself a good job and be free from it all. Now I live in a suburb that has some housing homes around me – most of the time it’s really quiet. But when I have heard those “houseos” yell like they are being hurt, I look out the window and see if I can identify anything I can to help. And I call the police, because if I don’t and someone is hurt then I am just as bad as the person who hurt them. Be human and take care of each other.
The police are sick of being called out, because when they get there no one wants to help clean up the sh1t, they just expect the police to do it. I will prop the Canberra police till the day I die – they have only ever been caring and decent when someone is in genuine need.

legal_chick86 said :

meese said :

Oh – for those that do care – my partner who witnessed a vicious assault of one of our neighbours last month is now afraid to leave the flat, as they are petrified that who ever killed that man are the same people.

I guess living in fear is something you’re never experienced, Northwest9. Cheers – hope you feel mighty tall.

I hope your partner came forward and reminded the Police of that incedent and who was involved…

My partner was interviewed by the police yesterday afternoon. Actually just raised their anxiety levels, as so far – the cops haven’t really done much to sort out the s**t that does occur here.

Time will tell I suppose. Hopefully with no more death and injury to anyone.

*sigh* the trolls have brought me down too.

legal_chick8610:47 am 05 Aug 11

Northwest9 said :

Stevian said :

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Sorry to disappoint Northwest9 – I’m one of many who live here, have a job & don’t do drugs… But I guess your opinion is my punishment for being poor…

nope, my opinion is mine to share, you can choose to like it or not.

but i do wonder, if living in the drug flats, at a hugely reduced rate, is so bad, why not move out, rent somewhere nicer, with the money you make in your job?

You’ve never heard of the working poor. Pay attention

the working poor? nope, never heard of them

ive only heard of the ones who are illegally being paid below award wage by dodgy restaurants, or those who just cant be arsed to work more than a couple of hours a week, lest they lose their benefits??

I work full time in a law firm, doing hard work and if i wanted to live close to work, i would have to live somewhere like those units… however… there is a known risk, therefore i live in a share house. Many people can have corporate jobs and still not be able to afford living in an expensive highrise apartment block. Pull your head out and open your eyes!

“It’s not fun, but you are going to get unsavoury elements like that in any city” – your words, Watson.

So – we’re meant to just put up with this kind of stuff, because you know, whatever?

legal_chick8610:42 am 05 Aug 11

You said :

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

Now that is a mature response to fixing a problem…just shove it under the carpet…NOT!

legal_chick8610:39 am 05 Aug 11

meese said :

Oh – for those that do care – my partner who witnessed a vicious assault of one of our neighbours last month is now afraid to leave the flat, as they are petrified that who ever killed that man are the same people.

I guess living in fear is something you’re never experienced, Northwest9. Cheers – hope you feel mighty tall.

I hope your partner came forward and reminded the Police of that incedent and who was involved…

legal_chick8610:34 am 05 Aug 11

Just all keep in mind, you cant always believe what you hear or see!!

golden_youth10:13 am 05 Aug 11

Northwest9 – Its easy to be a keyboard warrior isn’t it?

Death and Taxes. Death and Taxes. Death and Taxes!!!!!

meese said :

Watson – are your poor widdle fweelings hurt? Not surprised with your attempt at victim shaming & recommendation to ‘smirk’ it off. I’ll be sure to tell my partner not to worry, suck it as it’s the price we pay for living. Hope I don’t meet you in RL – the harsh words I’d have for you might make you cry.

I never recommended smirking it off? I wouldn’t recommend many of the things I did in my reckless youth, it’s a miracle I survived it really, in spite of my stupidity.

I was merely trying to say that you are not the first nor the last person living in an area where violence is a regular occurence.

But you know, whatever.

tooks – last time the police were called out for a disturbance, they said they were sick of being called out to the complex, and that people should deal with the ‘small’ stuff themselves… there’s your answer right there.

fgzk – in light of the above – you got it in one.

It’s sad to see the trolls fall over themselves to blame the people in the midst of a tragedy – smug in their attitude that it ‘won’t happen to me’. Even more disheartening that I may run into a few of them in RL, knowing I live in the same town as them.

And thanks for those who do have empathy – it keeps me sane.

Tooks said :

meese said :

“Superintendent McCann said the area was not considered by police as a “crime hot spot”.” – from the Canberra Times.

Considering how lax the Jacks are to the reality of the situation… Dealing with them & Housing about the regular violence & criminality of this area…

I am f**king gobsmacked.

We actually told the cops 2 weeks ago – what is it going to take, someone dying? And here we are, total denial of what is going on.

I’m completely floored.

You’re floored? Why? Media reports a number of people heard sounds of yelling, fighting etc (turns out to be a murder), yet no one called police or even poked their heads out the window.

I guess they all knew how pointless calling the police would be.

meese said :

“Superintendent McCann said the area was not considered by police as a “crime hot spot”.” – from the Canberra Times.

Considering how lax the Jacks are to the reality of the situation… Dealing with them & Housing about the regular violence & criminality of this area…

I am f**king gobsmacked.

We actually told the cops 2 weeks ago – what is it going to take, someone dying? And here we are, total denial of what is going on.

I’m completely floored.

You’re floored? Why? Media reports a number of people heard sounds of yelling, fighting etc (turns out to be a murder), yet no one called police or even poked their heads out the window.

Watson – are your poor widdle fweelings hurt? Not surprised with your attempt at victim shaming & recommendation to ‘smirk’ it off. I’ll be sure to tell my partner not to worry, suck it as it’s the price we pay for living. Hope I don’t meet you in RL – the harsh words I’d have for you might make you cry.

LSWCHP – So – your gun is loaded & in arms reach? You are irresponsible & should have your gun license revoked.

I too have lived in a house with guns. They were unloaded, securely locked in a safe, with the bolts & ammo secured at another property. We were responsible sports shooters – not cowboys. Read up on the stats on how people like you who are more likely to be killed by their own weapon.

Rampant arming of citizenry is not the solution to this problem.

Sadly, the societal engineering required to help resolve the problems here seems too hard for the Goverment & responsible agencies.

meese said :

Watson – considering your last comment. I apologise. You are not a smartarse. You are a true douchecanoe.

You’re welcome. I’m just glad I managed to lighten up your otherwise miserable day. It’s always nice to give someone an opportunity for personal attacks on people they don’t know (there’s a pun in there somewhere – too early in the day). Especially those with a victim mentality and a huge chip on their shoulder.

That’s only two streets over from me. I recoil every time I look at those flats and the ones opposite. I’ve lived in public housing before, and know there’s a mixture of vermin and decent people (often older people who were never very successful and don’t own a house). I’ve experienced first hand that DHCS takes almost no action against the vermin, even when they make the decent folks lives miserable. I used my time to get a job and then a better job, ended up paying market rent for my place and moved out – but I probably would have stayed a while longer but for s*** neighbours. My units weren’t as bad as the Northbourne flats though. I think longterm welfare and public housing is a sure recipe for crime. Useless, wicked people who have their bills paid by the government (or more accurately, the taxpayers) have all the time in the world to drink, do drugs, make and sell drugs and make life hell for the rest of civilised society with absolutely no incentive to change. Force those people to work for a living and suddenly they don’t have time to do any of that (I’m aware that these lowlifes make extra “spending money” by burglaries, muggings, drugs but their main subsistence is still going to be Centrelink, our taxes). I hope the victim turns out to be one of the dealers, and not some student from Fenner Hall or tourist.

I think these area’s of public housing should have camera’s installed for safety, of course public housing won’t do this, if this was possible crime would be cut down.

I can’t believe some people on here, the poor bugger was murdered, he could have been another victim of a mugging, it just happens he was near a main road in Canberra, he could have been going to work.
I just love it when some people on here let their imaginations take over, gossips, innuendos, us and them factor, putting down people living in public housing. The fact is it happens all over Canberra, not just in public housing, as far as pulling down public housing and putting up new buildings for the working people, sorry there will be a mixture of both, if you read the report form Joy Burch, it says it all, and yes I live in public housing, and have a view of a nice leafy street, in my flat, of course there is a mixture of people here, I mainly keep to myself, and do talk to a few here, and say hello to people who live here.

TheDancingDjinn11:20 pm 04 Aug 11

farnarkler said :

The victim was from Melbourne.

How do you know that? any report i find on it says they don’t know where he lives or even who he is. If your comment is correct, maybe you should tell the investigators and not us?

Watson said :

meese said :

Oh – for those that do care – my partner who witnessed a vicious assault of one of our neighbours last month is now afraid to leave the flat, as they are petrified that who ever killed that man are the same people.

I guess living in fear is something you’re never experienced, Northwest9. Cheers – hope you feel mighty tall.

All smartarse comments aside, if you let the fear rule your life, the scum have definitely won the war. (And yes, I have lived in areas where gun possession was fairly common and witnessed quite a few of acts of violence. I once had a guy I passed on the street put a knife to my belly too, but I knew he was bluffing, so I just smirked at him.)

It’s not fun, but you are going to get unsavoury elements like that in any city.

And I do agree that they are more prevalent where there are lots of gov housing flats (notice I say flats, not gov housing in general) and it would be better to spread them out over the whole city instead of having such a concentration. But until they do you’ll just have to make do or find the money to move. Beggars can’t be choosers. And I would know because as mentioned elsewhere, I am moving to Gungahlin!

For many years I have lived in an area where gun possession is very common. It’s called my house. And reading some of the early comments on this thread from meese about the nature of life along Northbourne Avenue, I find this hugely comforting.

The victim was from Melbourne.

Watson – considering your last comment. I apologise. You are not a smartarse. You are a true douchecanoe.

“Superintendent McCann said the area was not considered by police as a “crime hot spot”.” – from the Canberra Times.

Considering how lax the Jacks are to the reality of the situation… Dealing with them & Housing about the regular violence & criminality of this area…

I am f**king gobsmacked.

We actually told the cops 2 weeks ago – what is it going to take, someone dying? And here we are, total denial of what is going on.

I’m completely floored.

Does it really matter what Northwest9 has to say?? He is the sort of person would complain about paying the flood levy. I deal with these dip s***s every day. The arrogance doesn’t even surprise me anymore…..Huh I need a new job

Anyway I have a friend that lives there and she heard screaming during the night outside her window, she said she just went back to bed.

meese said :

Oh – for those that do care – my partner who witnessed a vicious assault of one of our neighbours last month is now afraid to leave the flat, as they are petrified that who ever killed that man are the same people.

I guess living in fear is something you’re never experienced, Northwest9. Cheers – hope you feel mighty tall.

All smartarse comments aside, if you let the fear rule your life, the scum have definitely won the war. (And yes, I have lived in areas where gun possession was fairly common and witnessed quite a few of acts of violence. I once had a guy I passed on the street put a knife to my belly too, but I knew he was bluffing, so I just smirked at him.)

It’s not fun, but you are going to get unsavoury elements like that in any city.

And I do agree that they are more prevalent where there are lots of gov housing flats (notice I say flats, not gov housing in general) and it would be better to spread them out over the whole city instead of having such a concentration. But until they do you’ll just have to make do or find the money to move. Beggars can’t be choosers. And I would know because as mentioned elsewhere, I am moving to Gungahlin!

OpenYourMind7:11 pm 04 Aug 11

don’t have anything to add to this discussion, other than to put my money on this ‘Death in Braddon’ story winning a Mully!

wondering1237:05 pm 04 Aug 11

I find it really sad that a man is dead and this post has descended into an argument over subsidised housing and tax bludgers.

Oh – for those that do care – my partner who witnessed a vicious assault of one of our neighbours last month is now afraid to leave the flat, as they are petrified that who ever killed that man are the same people.

I guess living in fear is something you’re never experienced, Northwest9. Cheers – hope you feel mighty tall.

@Northwest9 – You crack me up. You are just so funny! The things you say are so ridiculous you must be joking right? The following examples:

a) Funny how it is YOUR taxes. You may not be the major but it looks to me like you certainly think you are haha.

b) You think you are better than others when you possess the worst personality LOL. You are unfortunate dear, not even plastic surgery can fix that personality of yours haha.

c) Meese and other northbourne residents have constructively identified problems in their area that needs to be dealt with (without playing the blaming game). You accuse them of supposedly “b!tching” and “moaning” when all b!tching and moaning seems to come from you. LOL

I have grown up with a loving family, went to uni and got myself a full-time job. When I go past those flats, I don’t look down on the residents nor complain. I think to myself “What can we do?”

So let’s be constructive here, not destructive =]

@Northwest – You crack me up. You are just so funny! The things you say are so ridiculous you must be joking right? The following examples:

a) Funny how it is YOUR taxes. You may not be the major but it looks to me like you certainly think you are haha.

b) You think you are better than others when you possess the worst personality LOL. You are unfortunate dear, not even plastic surgery can fix that personality of yours haha.

c) Meese and other northbourne residents have constructively identified problems in their area that needs to be dealt with (without playing the blaming game). You accuse them of supposedly “bitching” and “moaning” when all bitching and moaning seems to come from you. LOL

I have grown up with a loving family, went to uni and got myself a full-time job. When I go past those flats, I don’t look down on the residents and complain about the state in which they have to live in. I think to myself “What can we do?”

So let’s be constructive here, not destructive =]

Northwest9 – *hahahaha* you do realise taxes subsidise investment properties too. Stop kicking decent people & pick another whipping boy.

Someone was murdered right outside where I live. Stop shaking your fist from your ivory tower, & show some compassion.

Instead of responding to the well worn trope of blaming those whom you think deserve your ill thought contempt. Take your tar brush & find a better frame before getting your skewed view of who is screwing the system jamming up a valid concern of others who breathe the same air as you.

Maybe it’s hard for you to understand that not everyone in this town has a golden ticket.

As for the matter at hand – latest is the suspicion is that the ‘drop ins’ who don’t live here, but come around sniffing for drugs are behind this.

Northwest9 said :

Lulu484 said :

Calamity said :

Northwest9 has ‘successfully’ managed to dodge actually addressing the issue/argument here, so no need for me to respond to that.
Just wanted to point out that I am not a Northbournian, or in Government housing, or in an unfortunate position of any sort. I’m just human & have a bit of compassion. And I don’t consider myself superior just because my life circumstances have fallen in place better than some. I consider myself bloody lucky and the least I can do for those less fortunate is offer them a bit of respect.

But I have gotten overly passionate here so might leave it there. No point preaching.

No it just seems like you have a brain, unlike others who will pass judgement so quickly on others without knowing what life is really like. I am also a resident of northbourne and as an apprentice it isn’t easy trying to find a place that is affordable in canberra and will accept my 2 small dogs. I see alot of family’s who actually live here who I assume are refugees so I don’t know how NORTHWEST you can possibly judge them as they are greatful for just having a place to live, reading the article my heart dropped at the thought this man could possibly be the asian gentlemen who lives upstairs. There are I assume a couple of meth dealers in the area as I have been here 3 months and often have people knocking on my door looking for drugs (much to their dismay) but these so called scum alot are actually coming from other areas to get drugs so I think if we could just pin point who they are then kick them out and leave the other people alone who are just trying to get by with their lives.

In case you missed my point, (u did..) I was talking about the first commenter complaining about how bad it is to live in govvie housing, you know, housing subsidized by my taxes.

Then they tell me they are full time employed, so no subsidy, so if your earning enough to not get subsidized rent, why can’t they go into private rental or a share house? Oh wait, can’t save, but hang on, they are full time employed

When I was making next to nothing as a trainee, I lived in share housing, and sacrificed luxuries like booze until I could afford it, currently I drive at 15 year old falcon, cause I prefer to pay my mortgage than buy a new car. Even us “lucky” ones have to make sacrifices

But it’s way easier to be a victim, it’s the “government/ lucky people’s fault”

Hmmm, please see my earlier post…..
Meese never complained about their plight in public housing, except to wish the crime was cleaned up in the neighbourhood.
Let’s ignore what type of housing (or working status) a person has for now and just say: surely everyone has a right to live in a crime-free neighbourhood, no matter what SES they are?
Or are you saying that because it is a public housing neighbourhood they should EXPECT crime to go with it (and not compain about it)? If so, then surely that is what your taxes are paying for – keeping your own neighbourhood safer while lumping all the crime together away from you (which is what you hoped for!). If that is the case, you should be happy to be paying for (with your taxes) houses for so-called crims to live in away from you.
Unfortunately, it just happens that not all people living in low-SES neighbourhoods are crims, but apparently they are just ‘collateral damage’ that complain too much because the penalty for living in public housing is to accept crime in the neighbourhood? Have I got it right? Bit confused with some of the logic here….

Lulu484 said :

Calamity said :

Northwest9 has ‘successfully’ managed to dodge actually addressing the issue/argument here, so no need for me to respond to that.
Just wanted to point out that I am not a Northbournian, or in Government housing, or in an unfortunate position of any sort. I’m just human & have a bit of compassion. And I don’t consider myself superior just because my life circumstances have fallen in place better than some. I consider myself bloody lucky and the least I can do for those less fortunate is offer them a bit of respect.

But I have gotten overly passionate here so might leave it there. No point preaching.

No it just seems like you have a brain, unlike others who will pass judgement so quickly on others without knowing what life is really like. I am also a resident of northbourne and as an apprentice it isn’t easy trying to find a place that is affordable in canberra and will accept my 2 small dogs. I see alot of family’s who actually live here who I assume are refugees so I don’t know how NORTHWEST you can possibly judge them as they are greatful for just having a place to live, reading the article my heart dropped at the thought this man could possibly be the asian gentlemen who lives upstairs. There are I assume a couple of meth dealers in the area as I have been here 3 months and often have people knocking on my door looking for drugs (much to their dismay) but these so called scum alot are actually coming from other areas to get drugs so I think if we could just pin point who they are then kick them out and leave the other people alone who are just trying to get by with their lives.

In case you missed my point, (u did..) I was talking about the first commenter complaining about how bad it is to live in govvie housing, you know, housing subsidized by my taxes.

Then they tell me they are full time employed, so no subsidy, so if your earning enough to not get subsidized rent, why can’t they go into private rental or a share house? Oh wait, can’t save, but hang on, they are full time employed

When I was making next to nothing as a trainee, I lived in share housing, and sacrificed luxuries like booze until I could afford it, currently I drive at 15 year old falcon, cause I prefer to pay my mortgage than buy a new car. Even us “lucky” ones have to make sacrifices

But it’s way easier to be a victim, it’s the “government/ lucky people’s fault”

meese said :

Ah – so Northwest9 fancies themselves as Mayor of Toy Town – good luck with that.

Great strawmen – no one is hysterical, just telling it how it is. As for moving, anyone got a spare 2000 to help pay the bond & first months rent? No? Ah, I see…

Watson – I think you have to work on your sarcasm, as you just came across as a smartarse instead.

Thanks to the others for understanding that it’s no real choice living here when money is tight, options are here or the street. Pity some people can’t pull their heads out of their arses to see that.

Oh, & as for ‘free money’ – more likely you get family tax benefit, middle class welfare etc. (see, I can be an assuming prick too.) Me, I pay full rent as I have a full time job… No subsidies for me. Grow up & learn.

Middle class welfare, family tax benefits, nope. I dont qualify, sorry

It’s a shame that some in the community wish to tar others with tags like ‘drugo’, ‘meth head’, etc. Funny how the Drunks got left off the list.

I really loved reading the post about how a tennant became a ‘resident’; while it was showing a total contempt well above that of any drug user or addict who could be expected to display some reaction given the slandering crap that was posted.

In short – Goes to show that DHCS funding of some select groups that make up their own membership with the intent of make life harder on others really does occure in public (like this website) and in private (at the Social Housing complex – and in the burbs where select groups of special people are allowed to attack others for their own wealth gain).

Well done and thanks for the proof!

Houso, houso
What ya gonna do?
What ya gonna do
When they come for you…?

Now that’s out of the way, it would perhaps be more sensible to say that government housing contains a few people trying like hell to step up and out, a few people who just drift along doing whatever, and a few people who are genuine scum.

I used to work in the building next to the flats, and sure saw some interesting stuff out the window of my office. There are definitely a few scum there, and no doubt they make life a lot harder for the decent people.

Northwest9 said :

6matt9 said :

Mate, free speech is one thing but do you have to be so arrogant about it? Good on you…you have a well paid job and aren’t a ‘houso’…cool story bro. I get the impression you consider yourself to be an intelligent human.? And in some way superior to people of a lessor economic status than you.? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

nope, just sick to death of houso’s whinging about how bad they have it, and bitching at those of us who went and got a job, as opposed to just joining the dole queue, and blaming it all on society

its the gift horse situation. if someone gives you free money do you say thank you, or do you piss and moan that its not enough, its not fair, why does everyone else get it so easy

6matt9 said :

How about you learn the concept of emotional intelligence and appreciate that we can’t all be earning good money or living in non-Government housing.

I agree…no-one likes to hear people whinging about their situation if they don’t try and help themselves and they spend their money on drugs or pokies. But arrogant people who think they are better than everyone are much more irritating. Don’t be so quick to judge…you may not always be so privileged.

Im hardly priviledged, i studied hard, worked hard and now have a mortgage and taxes to pay, childcare fees, ever increasing rates, utilities, etc etc, but if i do happen to lose my job, or fall on hard times please tell me, should i a) piss and moan, expect it all to be given to me, and then complain when it isnt up to standard, or b) go out and get another job?

I may be missing something, but meese originally just mentioned their local neighbourhood was somewhat crime-ridden, and thought that that should be looked at by the authorities. They also stated that they have a job (like most of us do).
So they didn’t really “piss and moan, expect it all to be given to me, and then complain when it isnt up to standard”, but simply hoped that the neighbourhood would be safer – i.e laws common to all areas and people be upheld there too.
It would be the same for you (and I, or anyone else!), who would expect if there was known crime in our neighbourhoods, the authoities would perhaps try to uphold the law in that area too.
I know if I had crims living near my house, i’d also expect the police etc to do something about it (and i’d probably mention the issue on RA too!)?

That’s all I heard. The rest re: ‘housies’ seems to be have thrown in out of the blue and wasn’t really related to the original response by meese, IMO…..

Northwest9 said :

6matt9 said :

Mate, free speech is one thing but do you have to be so arrogant about it? Good on you…you have a well paid job and aren’t a ‘houso’…cool story bro. I get the impression you consider yourself to be an intelligent human.? And in some way superior to people of a lessor economic status than you.? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

nope, just sick to death of houso’s whinging about how bad they have it, and bitching at those of us who went and got a job, as opposed to just joining the dole queue, and blaming it all on society

its the gift horse situation. if someone gives you free money do you say thank you, or do you piss and moan that its not enough, its not fair, why does everyone else get it so easy

6matt9 said :

How about you learn the concept of emotional intelligence and appreciate that we can’t all be earning good money or living in non-Government housing.

I agree…no-one likes to hear people whinging about their situation if they don’t try and help themselves and they spend their money on drugs or pokies. But arrogant people who think they are better than everyone are much more irritating. Don’t be so quick to judge…you may not always be so privileged.

Im hardly priviledged, i studied hard, worked hard and now have a mortgage and taxes to pay, childcare fees, ever increasing rates, utilities, etc etc, but if i do happen to lose my job, or fall on hard times please tell me, should i a) piss and moan, expect it all to be given to me, and then complain when it isnt up to standard, or b) go out and get another job?

You are just a very close minded person, I know alot of people who live here and like me DON’T GET THE DOLE. We were just happy to take the quickest accomodation we could get instead of relying on other people. Not everybody who lives in housing are taking handouts from Centrelink, and it is very arrogant of you to assume so. I would rather live here than have to share accomodation with a stranger, which was very hard to find anyway because I have animals. Not everybody has had parents to look out for them, and no one is whinging I am quite happy to be here till I am qualified and can afford to rent a house and not have to get rid of my pets, it is just rude for people like you to assume things about people you don’t know.

6matt9 said :

Northwest9 said :

6matt9 said :

Mate, free speech is one thing but do you have to be so arrogant about it? Good on you…you have a well paid job and aren’t a ‘houso’…cool story bro. I get the impression you consider yourself to be an intelligent human.? And in some way superior to people of a lessor economic status than you.? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

nope, just sick to death of houso’s whinging about how bad they have it, and bitching at those of us who went and got a job, as opposed to just joining the dole queue, and blaming it all on society

its the gift horse situation. if someone gives you free money do you say thank you, or do you piss and moan that its not enough, its not fair, why does everyone else get it so easy

6matt9 said :

How about you learn the concept of emotional intelligence and appreciate that we can’t all be earning good money or living in non-Government housing.

I agree…no-one likes to hear people whinging about their situation if they don’t try and help themselves and they spend their money on drugs or pokies. But arrogant people who think they are better than everyone are much more irritating. Don’t be so quick to judge…you may not always be so privileged.

Im hardly priviledged, i studied hard, worked hard and now have a mortgage and taxes to pay, childcare fees, ever increasing rates, utilities, etc etc, but if i do happen to lose my job, or fall on hard times please tell me, should i a) piss and moan, expect it all to be given to me, and then complain when it isnt up to standard, or b) go out and get another job?

I’ll expect you to do whatever you feel is appropriate at the time. That’s not my call to make. I’ve also got a mortgage and pay taxes so I’m with you on not being a fan of people who bitch and moan about how bad they’ve got it, refuse to work for a living and then expect a hand out. But not all disadvantaged people are like that. The point I’m trying to make is you can’t tar everyone with the same brush. I’m not some liberal, hippy douche either…I just think we live in an overly judgemental society and a lot of those judgements are uninformed.

Compared to the people we are debating about…you would be considered privileged albeit due to hard work. Privileged nonetheless.

Anyway, as this forum topic is actually about a homicide I’m going to finish there.

Well said!

Northwest9 said :

6matt9 said :

Mate, free speech is one thing but do you have to be so arrogant about it? Good on you…you have a well paid job and aren’t a ‘houso’…cool story bro. I get the impression you consider yourself to be an intelligent human.? And in some way superior to people of a lessor economic status than you.? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

nope, just sick to death of houso’s whinging about how bad they have it, and bitching at those of us who went and got a job, as opposed to just joining the dole queue, and blaming it all on society

its the gift horse situation. if someone gives you free money do you say thank you, or do you piss and moan that its not enough, its not fair, why does everyone else get it so easy

6matt9 said :

How about you learn the concept of emotional intelligence and appreciate that we can’t all be earning good money or living in non-Government housing.

I agree…no-one likes to hear people whinging about their situation if they don’t try and help themselves and they spend their money on drugs or pokies. But arrogant people who think they are better than everyone are much more irritating. Don’t be so quick to judge…you may not always be so privileged.

Im hardly priviledged, i studied hard, worked hard and now have a mortgage and taxes to pay, childcare fees, ever increasing rates, utilities, etc etc, but if i do happen to lose my job, or fall on hard times please tell me, should i a) piss and moan, expect it all to be given to me, and then complain when it isnt up to standard, or b) go out and get another job?

I’ll expect you to do whatever you feel is appropriate at the time. That’s not my call to make. I’ve also got a mortgage and pay taxes so I’m with you on not being a fan of people who bitch and moan about how bad they’ve got it, refuse to work for a living and then expect a hand out. But not all disadvantaged people are like that. The point I’m trying to make is you can’t tar everyone with the same brush. I’m not some liberal, hippy douche either…I just think we live in an overly judgemental society and a lot of those judgements are uninformed.

Compared to the people we are debating about…you would be considered privileged albeit due to hard work. Privileged nonetheless.

Anyway, as this forum topic is actually about a homicide I’m going to finish there.

I’m glad I could assist in starting such a heated debate. You can thank me later.

WTF is wrong with some people here? Is this really a ‘us’ and ‘them’ posture that some so called ‘elites’ are trying to convey? Really…?

The arrogance, attitude and posturing that some commentators are making is just plain derogatory to a lot of people. What the hell is wrong with you that you have to think that people are lesser beings because they live in ‘govo’s’ or are just having a bad stretch at the moment?

And I certainly don’t need the attitude of some – I have my own attitude thanks very much for asking. But thankfully it isn’t delusional with me thinking that I am so much better than anyone else. Get a grip some of you – or at least loosen your grip!

Stevian said :

Northwest9 said :

6matt9 said :

Mate, free speech is one thing but do you have to be so arrogant about it? Good on you…you have a well paid job and aren’t a ‘houso’…cool story bro. I get the impression you consider yourself to be an intelligent human.? And in some way superior to people of a lessor economic status than you.? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

nope, just sick to death of houso’s whinging about how bad they have it, and bitching at those of us who went and got a job, as opposed to just joining the dole queue, and blaming it all on society

its the gift horse situation. if someone gives you free money do you say thank you, or do you piss and moan that its not enough, its not fair, why does everyone else get it so easy

6matt9 said :

How about you learn the concept of emotional intelligence and appreciate that we can’t all be earning good money or living in non-Government housing.

I agree…no-one likes to hear people whinging about their situation if they don’t try and help themselves and they spend their money on drugs or pokies. But arrogant people who think they are better than everyone are much more irritating. Don’t be so quick to judge…you may not always be so privileged.

Im hardly priviledged, i studied hard, worked hard and now have a mortgage and taxes to pay, childcare fees, ever increasing rates, utilities, etc etc, but if i do happen to lose my job, or fall on hard times please tell me, should i a) piss and moan, expect it all to be given to me, and then complain when it isnt up to standard, or b) go out and get another job?

What you do is your choice, but circumstance sometimes conspires against us. I hope you find that out

So now your hoping I fall on hard times, how very compassionate of you. But kinda against your lefty approach isn’t it.

I haven’t wished failure on anyone, just shown disdain at the whinging housos. You have.

Nice.

Calamity said :

Northwest9 has ‘successfully’ managed to dodge actually addressing the issue/argument here, so no need for me to respond to that.
Just wanted to point out that I am not a Northbournian, or in Government housing, or in an unfortunate position of any sort. I’m just human & have a bit of compassion. And I don’t consider myself superior just because my life circumstances have fallen in place better than some. I consider myself bloody lucky and the least I can do for those less fortunate is offer them a bit of respect.

But I have gotten overly passionate here so might leave it there. No point preaching.

No it just seems like you have a brain, unlike others who will pass judgement so quickly on others without knowing what life is really like. I am also a resident of northbourne and as an apprentice it isn’t easy trying to find a place that is affordable in canberra and will accept my 2 small dogs. I see alot of family’s who actually live here who I assume are refugees so I don’t know how NORTHWEST you can possibly judge them as they are greatful for just having a place to live, reading the article my heart dropped at the thought this man could possibly be the asian gentlemen who lives upstairs. There are I assume a couple of meth dealers in the area as I have been here 3 months and often have people knocking on my door looking for drugs (much to their dismay) but these so called scum alot are actually coming from other areas to get drugs so I think if we could just pin point who they are then kick them out and leave the other people alone who are just trying to get by with their lives.

Ah – so Northwest9 fancies themselves as Mayor of Toy Town – good luck with that.

Great strawmen – no one is hysterical, just telling it how it is. As for moving, anyone got a spare 2000 to help pay the bond & first months rent? No? Ah, I see…

Watson – I think you have to work on your sarcasm, as you just came across as a smartarse instead.

Thanks to the others for understanding that it’s no real choice living here when money is tight, options are here or the street. Pity some people can’t pull their heads out of their arses to see that.

Oh, & as for ‘free money’ – more likely you get family tax benefit, middle class welfare etc. (see, I can be an assuming prick too.) Me, I pay full rent as I have a full time job… No subsidies for me. Grow up & learn.

Northwest9 said :

6matt9 said :

Mate, free speech is one thing but do you have to be so arrogant about it? Good on you…you have a well paid job and aren’t a ‘houso’…cool story bro. I get the impression you consider yourself to be an intelligent human.? And in some way superior to people of a lessor economic status than you.? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

nope, just sick to death of houso’s whinging about how bad they have it, and bitching at those of us who went and got a job, as opposed to just joining the dole queue, and blaming it all on society

its the gift horse situation. if someone gives you free money do you say thank you, or do you piss and moan that its not enough, its not fair, why does everyone else get it so easy

6matt9 said :

How about you learn the concept of emotional intelligence and appreciate that we can’t all be earning good money or living in non-Government housing.

I agree…no-one likes to hear people whinging about their situation if they don’t try and help themselves and they spend their money on drugs or pokies. But arrogant people who think they are better than everyone are much more irritating. Don’t be so quick to judge…you may not always be so privileged.

Im hardly priviledged, i studied hard, worked hard and now have a mortgage and taxes to pay, childcare fees, ever increasing rates, utilities, etc etc, but if i do happen to lose my job, or fall on hard times please tell me, should i a) piss and moan, expect it all to be given to me, and then complain when it isnt up to standard, or b) go out and get another job?

What you do is your choice, but circumstance sometimes conspires against us. I hope you find that out

Ben_Dover said :

gourmetmumma said :

We can all make comments and pass judgement about who/what/how/when/why but the fact is unless you are in or have been in the situation some of these, as mentioned, ‘druggos’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ I don’t get how people can assume and pass judgement until they know what has happened.

That’s fair, however the “you don’t know what they have been through” reason cannot be used to deny the fact that there are ‘druggos’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ out there who are ‘druggos’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ through choice and indolence.

Not every ‘druggo’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ have hard hard lives, mental health issues, poor parenting, bad luck, or whatever this week’s “get out of jail free card” excuse for their behaviour is, true?

The genuine ‘druggo’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’, in fact, make it harder for the unfortunate to get out of their circumstance, and should be more condemned.

And credit where it’s due – you’re right. Not meaning to make a blanket statement that everyone in that position has ended up there by accident.

I suppose I just have a rose-coloured glasses-esque, ‘innocent until proven guilty’ sort of outlook on people, which I prefer to the alternative as displayed here by certain people – it’s a happier way to live, me thinks.

Okay. I will shut up starting… now!

6matt9 said :

Mate, free speech is one thing but do you have to be so arrogant about it? Good on you…you have a well paid job and aren’t a ‘houso’…cool story bro. I get the impression you consider yourself to be an intelligent human.? And in some way superior to people of a lessor economic status than you.? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

nope, just sick to death of houso’s whinging about how bad they have it, and bitching at those of us who went and got a job, as opposed to just joining the dole queue, and blaming it all on society

its the gift horse situation. if someone gives you free money do you say thank you, or do you piss and moan that its not enough, its not fair, why does everyone else get it so easy

6matt9 said :

How about you learn the concept of emotional intelligence and appreciate that we can’t all be earning good money or living in non-Government housing.

I agree…no-one likes to hear people whinging about their situation if they don’t try and help themselves and they spend their money on drugs or pokies. But arrogant people who think they are better than everyone are much more irritating. Don’t be so quick to judge…you may not always be so privileged.

Im hardly priviledged, i studied hard, worked hard and now have a mortgage and taxes to pay, childcare fees, ever increasing rates, utilities, etc etc, but if i do happen to lose my job, or fall on hard times please tell me, should i a) piss and moan, expect it all to be given to me, and then complain when it isnt up to standard, or b) go out and get another job?

Northwest9 has ‘successfully’ managed to dodge actually addressing the issue/argument here, so no need for me to respond to that.
Just wanted to point out that I am not a Northbournian, or in Government housing, or in an unfortunate position of any sort. I’m just human & have a bit of compassion. And I don’t consider myself superior just because my life circumstances have fallen in place better than some. I consider myself bloody lucky and the least I can do for those less fortunate is offer them a bit of respect.

But I have gotten overly passionate here so might leave it there. No point preaching.

gourmetmumma said :

We can all make comments and pass judgement about who/what/how/when/why but the fact is unless you are in or have been in the situation some of these, as mentioned, ‘druggos’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ I don’t get how people can assume and pass judgement until they know what has happened.

That’s fair, however the “you don’t know what they have been through” reason cannot be used to deny the fact that there are ‘druggos’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ out there who are ‘druggos’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ through choice and indolence.

Not every ‘druggo’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ have hard hard lives, mental health issues, poor parenting, bad luck, or whatever this week’s “get out of jail free card” excuse for their behaviour is, true?

The genuine ‘druggo’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’, in fact, make it harder for the unfortunate to get out of their circumstance, and should be more condemned.

Wow, you northbournians are sure getting riled up, passionately aggro and antsy about the little things regarding this event. Maybe i am wrong and it really is a meth thing.

And really, a few druggos in the flats and some weapons found really doesn’t give you any reason to get that hysterical. People easily survive in other cities with far worse problems. So if you really only want fairies and rainbows, go live somewhere else. Like an uninhabited island.

Northwest9 said :

Calamity said :

What a stupid thing to say! Honestly! You are suggesting those in less fortunate positions hate those that are ‘successful’ when the evidence is well and truly to the contrary! How can you start out attacking the poor, then turn it around to make it sound as though the poor dislike YOU??!

yep, i know enough houso’s to know the general feeling amongst them is one of disdain towards those “lucky” people

And i also find it pretty tiring listening to a houso complain about the state of their super cheap tax payer funded housing, and how “little” free money they get

Calamity said :

What people are trying to get through to you is that not everybody is as fortunate as you, and it is not right to assume that this is their fault!

I now (thankfully!) consider myself to be ‘successful’, but I can tell you I have lived in some pitiful circumstances in the past, which I found myself in through NO fault of my own and had to work EXTREMELY hard just to get by day to day! And I’m sure that back in the day as I was walking to the shops in my second hand clothes to buy some homebrand noodles for dinner I had people like YOU looking on at me assuming I was the dregs of society and I should really get off my arse and get a job.

cool story bro

Calamity said :

Your attitude is disgusting.

thats funny, i thought you lefties were the champions of free speech. but anywho, thank you …. 🙂

Mate, free speech is one thing but do you have to be so arrogant about it? Good on you…you have a well paid job and aren’t a ‘houso’…cool story bro. I get the impression you consider yourself to be an intelligent human.? And in some way superior to people of a lessor economic status than you.? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

How about you learn the concept of emotional intelligence and appreciate that we can’t all be earning good money or living in non-Government housing.

I agree…no-one likes to hear people whinging about their situation if they don’t try and help themselves and they spend their money on drugs or pokies. But arrogant people who think they are better than everyone are much more irritating. Don’t be so quick to judge…you may not always be so privileged.

colourful sydney racing identity3:11 pm 04 Aug 11

Wow. Events like this really bring out the d*ckheads on this site.

Calamity said :

Northwest9 said :

gourmetmumma said :

gourmetmumma said :

Meese…..+1 🙂

Gotta love some people throwing stones from their glass houses. I just wish I lived in their world with fairies and rainbows and sunshine and we all skipped around holding hands singing “It’s a small world after all”.

Northwest9…surely you must be the mayor of this world?

absolutely, i run it from my “3 bedroom brick & tile in a lovely tree lined street”.

tell me, what is it about success you seem to dislike so much? why should i feel bad for those who cant be arsed?

for the record, im not a public servant, but you do seem to be quite jealous of those who are

What a stupid thing to say! Honestly! You are suggesting those in less fortunate positions hate those that are ‘successful’ when the evidence is well and truly to the contrary! How can you start out attacking the poor, then turn it around to make it sound as though the poor dislike YOU??!

What people are trying to get through to you is that not everybody is as fortunate as you, and it is not right to assume that this is their fault!

I now (thankfully!) consider myself to be ‘successful’, but I can tell you I have lived in some pitiful circumstances in the past, which I found myself in through NO fault of my own and had to work EXTREMELY hard just to get by day to day! And I’m sure that back in the day as I was walking to the shops in my second hand clothes to buy some homebrand noodles for dinner I had people like YOU looking on at me assuming I was the dregs of society and I should really get off my arse and get a job.

Your attitude is disgusting.

+1

Calamity said :

What a stupid thing to say! Honestly! You are suggesting those in less fortunate positions hate those that are ‘successful’ when the evidence is well and truly to the contrary! How can you start out attacking the poor, then turn it around to make it sound as though the poor dislike YOU??!

yep, i know enough houso’s to know the general feeling amongst them is one of disdain towards those “lucky” people

And i also find it pretty tiring listening to a houso complain about the state of their super cheap tax payer funded housing, and how “little” free money they get

Calamity said :

What people are trying to get through to you is that not everybody is as fortunate as you, and it is not right to assume that this is their fault!

I now (thankfully!) consider myself to be ‘successful’, but I can tell you I have lived in some pitiful circumstances in the past, which I found myself in through NO fault of my own and had to work EXTREMELY hard just to get by day to day! And I’m sure that back in the day as I was walking to the shops in my second hand clothes to buy some homebrand noodles for dinner I had people like YOU looking on at me assuming I was the dregs of society and I should really get off my arse and get a job.

cool story bro

Calamity said :

Your attitude is disgusting.

thats funny, i thought you lefties were the champions of free speech. but anywho, thank you …. 🙂

god bless their cotton socks, yup it must be the fault of govie housing.
Dont’ blame anyone else (like the person or people who did it)

Just stand there with your hand out and blame the accommodation.

OR MOVE

Calamity said :

Northwest9 said :

gourmetmumma said :

gourmetmumma said :

Meese…..+1 🙂

Gotta love some people throwing stones from their glass houses. I just wish I lived in their world with fairies and rainbows and sunshine and we all skipped around holding hands singing “It’s a small world after all”.

Northwest9…surely you must be the mayor of this world?

absolutely, i run it from my “3 bedroom brick & tile in a lovely tree lined street”.

tell me, what is it about success you seem to dislike so much? why should i feel bad for those who cant be arsed?

for the record, im not a public servant, but you do seem to be quite jealous of those who are

What a stupid thing to say! Honestly! You are suggesting those in less fortunate positions hate those that are ‘successful’ when the evidence is well and truly to the contrary! How can you start out attacking the poor, then turn it around to make it sound as though the poor dislike YOU??!

What people are trying to get through to you is that not everybody is as fortunate as you, and it is not right to assume that this is their fault!

I now (thankfully!) consider myself to be ‘successful’, but I can tell you I have lived in some pitiful circumstances in the past, which I found myself in through NO fault of my own and had to work EXTREMELY hard just to get by day to day! And I’m sure that back in the day as I was walking to the shops in my second hand clothes to buy some homebrand noodles for dinner I had people like YOU looking on at me assuming I was the dregs of society and I should really get off my arse and get a job.

Your attitude is disgusting.

+1 Well said Calamity.

Watson said :

meese said :

Gee Watson – not everyone lives in a bucolic little suburb… And sorry it surprises you that things aren’t as peachy as you think. Read ACT Policing reports – a cache of guns were stolen from around the corner a few weeks ago. A neighbour is waiting sentencing on a brutal bashing. We regularly have people drop from drugs every week. Open your eyes instead of living in blissful arrogance.

If you’re going to be a regular RA poster, you really need to learn to spot sarcasm…

I’m pretty sure he did spot your sarcasm, Watson. That’s how he knew you weren’t seriously referring to that area as downtown LA. Wasn’t that the point of your post, to sarcastically point out that you don’t think the area is as bad as that? That’s how I read it, or have I missed the point?

meese said :

Gee Watson – not everyone lives in a bucolic little suburb… And sorry it surprises you that things aren’t as peachy as you think. Read ACT Policing reports – a cache of guns were stolen from around the corner a few weeks ago. A neighbour is waiting sentencing on a brutal bashing. We regularly have people drop from drugs every week. Open your eyes instead of living in blissful arrogance.

As for You – gee, instead of fixing the problem, just push to the fringes, eh? How mighty White of you *moron*

The Frots – thanks mate – hopefully we get some traction in getting things better.

Oh, I thought you were commenting on my Gungahlin post!

I never at all insinuated that things were all peachy, did I? But some realism might be in order too. Murders and shootings are rather rare in Canberra.

And these problems aren’t just going to go away. If you live in a city, you have to learn to deal with such things. You can hardly send them all off to Wagga.

(Wow, I just called Canberra a real city!)

Northwest9 said :

gourmetmumma said :

gourmetmumma said :

Meese…..+1 🙂

Gotta love some people throwing stones from their glass houses. I just wish I lived in their world with fairies and rainbows and sunshine and we all skipped around holding hands singing “It’s a small world after all”.

Northwest9…surely you must be the mayor of this world?

absolutely, i run it from my “3 bedroom brick & tile in a lovely tree lined street”.

tell me, what is it about success you seem to dislike so much? why should i feel bad for those who cant be arsed?

for the record, im not a public servant, but you do seem to be quite jealous of those who are

What a stupid thing to say! Honestly! You are suggesting those in less fortunate positions hate those that are ‘successful’ when the evidence is well and truly to the contrary! How can you start out attacking the poor, then turn it around to make it sound as though the poor dislike YOU??!

What people are trying to get through to you is that not everybody is as fortunate as you, and it is not right to assume that this is their fault!

I now (thankfully!) consider myself to be ‘successful’, but I can tell you I have lived in some pitiful circumstances in the past, which I found myself in through NO fault of my own and had to work EXTREMELY hard just to get by day to day! And I’m sure that back in the day as I was walking to the shops in my second hand clothes to buy some homebrand noodles for dinner I had people like YOU looking on at me assuming I was the dregs of society and I should really get off my arse and get a job.

Your attitude is disgusting.

meese said :

Gee Watson – not everyone lives in a bucolic little suburb… And sorry it surprises you that things aren’t as peachy as you think. Read ACT Policing reports – a cache of guns were stolen from around the corner a few weeks ago. A neighbour is waiting sentencing on a brutal bashing. We regularly have people drop from drugs every week. Open your eyes instead of living in blissful arrogance.

If you’re going to be a regular RA poster, you really need to learn to spot sarcasm…

chewy14 said :

Calamity said :

Don’t judge a person until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes (because you make yourself sound like a twat)

I thought that was because you’d then be a mile away from them…and have their shoes?

beat me to it.

in reality tho, these poor downtrodden souls probably dont have shoes….

You have to admit you’re making quite a few assumtions and judgements there yourself, Gourmetmumma. You’re assuming that anyone who’s commented in what you perceive as a negative way has never had interactions with drug addicts, or people who live in that area. You’re being extremely judgemental of public servants, many of whom actually work very hard at their jobs in order to buy their house(s), which you also criticise. Talk about glass houses…

Calamity said :

Don’t judge a person until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes (because you make yourself sound like a twat)

I thought that was because you’d then be a mile away from them…and have their shoes?

2 people walking to work (they should be running, while watching their backs).

I love how the ‘resident’ has a lotto running and bitch’s about proposed meth users (does that suit your use).

Have to wonder if the so called ‘meth users’ have a lotto?

Like who gets to live as a ‘resident’

gourmetmumma said :

Meese…..+1 🙂

Gotta love some people throwing stones from their glass houses. I just wish I lived in their world with fairies and rainbows and sunshine and we all skipped around holding hands singing “It’s a small world after all”.

We can all make comments and pass judgement about who/what/how/when/why but the fact is unless you are in or have been in the situation some of these, as mentioned, ‘druggos’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ I don’t get how people can assume and pass judgement until they know what has happened.

People can end up in crappy situations every day from job losses and family heartache. Just because someone lives in Northbourne Flats, or any other place which is considered to be inhabited by low income earners, people have no right to sit in our 3 bedroom brick & tile in a lovely tree lined street, or in our (slack a**) public servant job where we are not actually required to ‘work’ but show up every day and pretend to ‘work’ then collecting a hefty pay packet each fortnight, passing judgement about how they got there (no doubt these are the types of people that also complained about the inconvenience to traffic that someone died and the road had to be closed…sorry next time they’ll make sure they get murdered in a more ‘convenient’ location’!!)

Soldier on Meese. Tackle each day as it comes and keep you head held high.

Well said. Seems that the ‘dillusions of granduer’ folk are starting to show their skirts!

gourmetmumma said :

gourmetmumma said :

Meese…..+1 🙂

Gotta love some people throwing stones from their glass houses. I just wish I lived in their world with fairies and rainbows and sunshine and we all skipped around holding hands singing “It’s a small world after all”.

Northwest9…surely you must be the mayor of this world?

absolutely, i run it from my “3 bedroom brick & tile in a lovely tree lined street”.

tell me, what is it about success you seem to dislike so much? why should i feel bad for those who cant be arsed?

for the record, im not a public servant, but you do seem to be quite jealous of those who are

gourmetmumma said :

Meese…..+1 🙂

Gotta love some people throwing stones from their glass houses. I just wish I lived in their world with fairies and rainbows and sunshine and we all skipped around holding hands singing “It’s a small world after all”.

We can all make comments and pass judgement about who/what/how/when/why but the fact is unless you are in or have been in the situation some of these, as mentioned, ‘druggos’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ I don’t get how people can assume and pass judgement until they know what has happened.

People can end up in crappy situations every day from job losses and family heartache. Just because someone lives in Northbourne Flats, or any other place which is considered to be inhabited by low income earners, people have no right to sit in our 3 bedroom brick & tile in a lovely tree lined street, or in our (slack a**) public servant job where we are not actually required to ‘work’ but show up every day and pretend to ‘work’ then collecting a hefty pay packet each fortnight, passing judgement about how they got there (no doubt these are the types of people that also complained about the inconvenience to traffic that someone died and the road had to be closed…sorry next time they’ll make sure they get murdered in a more ‘convenient’ location’!!)

Soldier on Meese. Tackle each day as it comes and keep you head held high.

Big +1.

Don’t judge a person until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes (because you make yourself sound like a twat)

gourmetmumma2:24 pm 04 Aug 11

gourmetmumma said :

Meese…..+1 🙂

Gotta love some people throwing stones from their glass houses. I just wish I lived in their world with fairies and rainbows and sunshine and we all skipped around holding hands singing “It’s a small world after all”.

Northwest9…surely you must be the mayor of this world?

gourmetmumma2:08 pm 04 Aug 11

Meese…..+1 🙂

Gotta love some people throwing stones from their glass houses. I just wish I lived in their world with fairies and rainbows and sunshine and we all skipped around holding hands singing “It’s a small world after all”.

We can all make comments and pass judgement about who/what/how/when/why but the fact is unless you are in or have been in the situation some of these, as mentioned, ‘druggos’ and ‘scum’ and ‘those types of people’ I don’t get how people can assume and pass judgement until they know what has happened.

People can end up in crappy situations every day from job losses and family heartache. Just because someone lives in Northbourne Flats, or any other place which is considered to be inhabited by low income earners, people have no right to sit in our 3 bedroom brick & tile in a lovely tree lined street, or in our (slack a**) public servant job where we are not actually required to ‘work’ but show up every day and pretend to ‘work’ then collecting a hefty pay packet each fortnight, passing judgement about how they got there (no doubt these are the types of people that also complained about the inconvenience to traffic that someone died and the road had to be closed…sorry next time they’ll make sure they get murdered in a more ‘convenient’ location’!!)

Soldier on Meese. Tackle each day as it comes and keep you head held high.

Stevian said :

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Sorry to disappoint Northwest9 – I’m one of many who live here, have a job & don’t do drugs… But I guess your opinion is my punishment for being poor…

nope, my opinion is mine to share, you can choose to like it or not.

but i do wonder, if living in the drug flats, at a hugely reduced rate, is so bad, why not move out, rent somewhere nicer, with the money you make in your job?

You’ve never heard of the working poor. Pay attention

the working poor? nope, never heard of them

ive only heard of the ones who are illegally being paid below award wage by dodgy restaurants, or those who just cant be arsed to work more than a couple of hours a week, lest they lose their benefits??

You said :

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

Could have sworn that that was already in the pipeline, announced by the ACT Minister for Housing Joy Burch…

You said :

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

Totally agree.

Northwest9 said :

meese said :

Sorry to disappoint Northwest9 – I’m one of many who live here, have a job & don’t do drugs… But I guess your opinion is my punishment for being poor…

nope, my opinion is mine to share, you can choose to like it or not.

but i do wonder, if living in the drug flats, at a hugely reduced rate, is so bad, why not move out, rent somewhere nicer, with the money you make in your job?

You’ve never heard of the working poor. Pay attention

Northwest9 said :

You said :

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

tuggeranong preferably, i dont want them anywhere near my suburb.

No, we wouldn’t want to spoil the pristine Utopia that is Charnlop.

meese said :

Sorry to disappoint Northwest9 – I’m one of many who live here, have a job & don’t do drugs… But I guess your opinion is my punishment for being poor…

nope, my opinion is mine to share, you can choose to like it or not.

but i do wonder, if living in the drug flats, at a hugely reduced rate, is so bad, why not move out, rent somewhere nicer, with the money you make in your job?

meese said :

Gee Watson – not everyone lives in a bucolic little suburb… And sorry it surprises you that things aren’t as peachy as you think. Read ACT Policing reports – a cache of guns were stolen from around the corner a few weeks ago. A neighbour is waiting sentencing on a brutal bashing. We regularly have people drop from drugs every week. Open your eyes instead of living in blissful arrogance.

As for You – gee, instead of fixing the problem, just push to the fringes, eh? How mighty White of you *moron*

The Frots – thanks mate – hopefully we get some traction in getting things better.

Been there my friend – I know what it’s like. Good luck.

Sorry to disappoint Northwest9 – I’m one of many who live here, have a job & don’t do drugs… But I guess your opinion is my punishment for being poor…

Gee Watson – not everyone lives in a bucolic little suburb… And sorry it surprises you that things aren’t as peachy as you think. Read ACT Policing reports – a cache of guns were stolen from around the corner a few weeks ago. A neighbour is waiting sentencing on a brutal bashing. We regularly have people drop from drugs every week. Open your eyes instead of living in blissful arrogance.

As for You – gee, instead of fixing the problem, just push to the fringes, eh? How mighty White of you *moron*

The Frots – thanks mate – hopefully we get some traction in getting things better.

chewy14 said :

Northwest9 said :

surely im not the only one who upon hearing a police incident had occurred in the flats between Girrawheen and Ijong, immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was a dead crack head?

That’s ridiculous, we don’t have any Crack heads in Canberra.

Our druggos only do meth.

crackhead is just a term of endearment that i chose to use to encompass the general drug using population of the northborne junkie flats.

meth, ice, heroin, crack, coke, speed, whatever else it is they spend my hard earned tax dollars on

Watson said :

Northwest9 said :

You said :

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

tuggeranong preferably, i dont want them anywhere near my suburb.

Yeah, Gungahlin’s out too.

Fair enough too. I mean I’m all for punishing drug dealers, etc but making them live in Gungahlin is just cruel.

Northwest9 said :

surely im not the only one who upon hearing a police incident had occurred in the flats between Girrawheen and Ijong, immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was a dead crack head?

Crackhead is an all encompassing term, it is still smoked in a glass pipe.

Watson said :

Northwest9 said :

You said :

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

tuggeranong preferably, i dont want them anywhere near my suburb.

Yeah, Gungahlin’s out too.

Interestingly,
I’m pretty sure these flats are slated for demolition in the next few years to be rebuilt as expensive high density units.
And sorry Watson, I think Gungahlin is the most likely destination for a large proportion of the residents. Have they filled all the CHC units on Flemington road yet?

I will put in my two cents and say that it is a heroin thing.

Northwest9 said :

surely im not the only one who upon hearing a police incident had occurred in the flats between Girrawheen and Ijong, immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was a dead crack head?

That’s ridiculous, we don’t have any Crack heads in Canberra.

Our druggos only do meth.

Northwest9 said :

You said :

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

tuggeranong preferably, i dont want them anywhere near my suburb.

Yeah, Gungahlin’s out too.

surely im not the only one who upon hearing a police incident had occurred in the flats between Girrawheen and Ijong, immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was a dead crack head?

You said :

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

No most of the scum already lives in the burbs – with 3 kids, drug habbit, and wonders that offer protection by classing others as scum.

PS: If your the kind of person responsibile for having people bashed – because you class them as scum, then remember that you will die a far more horrid death (your turn soon ok).

You said :

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

tuggeranong preferably, i dont want them anywhere near my suburb.

Holden Caulfield12:56 pm 04 Aug 11

You said :

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

Yeah, the city needs a better class of d***head.

Who cares about rumours, or if people sit in their appartments waiting to bash someones brains out (DHCS dont care).

The good news is that any pensioners living in that area can now call up DHCS for a grant, or two.

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

Seriously, I hope that you folk get some relief and action – sounds fairly bad.

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

The perfect situation would be to kick everyone out, demolish the entire place, build some nice expensive apartments that only people with a job can afford, and force the scum into the outer suburbs to do their dealings and leave everyone else alone.

meese said :

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

Wow, I didn’t know there was such a striking resemblance between Braddon and downtown LA!

It’s a miracle we don’t get dead bodies there more often, with all those guns going off every night.

As a resident of Braddon Northbourne Flats – let’s put some of these rumours to rest:

– 2 People walking to work found the body & called the police.

– There are more cops here that we have ever seen – which is saying something as the Jacks are always around due to the s***hole this place is.

– Bets currently run at it being a ‘disagreement’ between the resident Meth dealers, although a neighbour reckons it could of been a robbery gone wrong (as we’ve had doors shot in with shotguns, people held up with handguns, and several bashings the past six months…) leading on to –

– ‘Gunshots in the night’ – yeah Canberra, welcome to our world. People here are pretty much dulled by hearing things that go bang in the night. There may have been, we were watching a movie that was heavy on the gunfire – maybe our TV was turned up to high… *cough*

– Maybe housing may actually take us seriously now when we tell them that this place is f**king dangerous, and needs to be cleaned up…

There’s always hope.

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