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By johnboy - 4 June 2011 56

On Sunday (June 5) two southbound lanes on Commonwealth Avenue will be closed to facilitate the movement of the ‘Say Yes’ rally to Parliament House.

The two lanes on Commonwealth Avenue, between Albert Street and Parliament Drive, will be closed between 12.45pm and 2pm.

One of the southbound lanes will remain open for motorists however a reduced speed of 40km per hour will apply.

Motorists may experience short delays at intersections along Commonwealth Avenue between Albert Street and Coronation Drive.

All road closures will be published in real time through ACT Policing’s traffic twitter (ACTPol_Traffic).

[Courtesy ACT Policing]

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56 Responses to
Say Yes to lane closures
gasman 8:22 am 06 Jun 11

TP 3000 said :

If these protestors/rent a crowd are soo into reducing Australia’s carbon foot print, why did most of them drive their cars to the protest? Surely they could of taken public transport & in return helped to lower the emissions from several hundred cars. I am aware that about 1/4 of the protestors caught ACTION Buses/hired coaches, but everyone who attended should of done so if they really cared about global warming.

Public transport in Canberra is almost useless. Most other cities I’ve been to have far more extensive and accessible public transport systems than Canberra. It is very difficult to use public transport here when
a. it doesn’t exist from where you live
b. it doesn’t go where you want it to go
c. you need to wait an hour to catch it and then another half hour to transfer

I lived in Vancouver BC for 18 months. The public transport system (bus, light rail, ferry) came every 5 minutes in peak hour, 10 minutes at other times, you were never more than a block or 2 from it, and it costs $2 to go anywhere in Vancouver for 2 hours unlimited travel. Similar in San Fransisco.

Having said that, 25% of people using public transport is a good result for this rally, given the average public transport use is 4% in Canberra. Also, about another 10-15% (my estimate) came on bicycles, including myself.

alaninoz 7:11 am 06 Jun 11

Jim Jones said :

“I’m not going to do the right thing until everyone else does”.

You wouldn’t except this kind of self-serving crap from children, why in all hell would you seriously propose it as an actual argument for … you know … adults?

You seem to assume that what I said implies that I’m opposed to reducing our greenhouse gas emissions – I didn’t say that. What I did say is that Australia’s contribution to greenhouse gas emissions is small, and so will be any contribution we may make to their reduction. The debate over any reduction in Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions and the mechanism for that reduction should take that into account.

A gesture may not be worthless, but it’s still only a gesture.

Diggety 3:01 am 06 Jun 11

quote comment=”330513″]
Climate change and the human contribution to it is a well-established fact in the scientific community. There is NO debate about its existence amongst people who have actually read the evidence.

That statement is very wrong. Who told you that?

TP 3000 7:50 pm 05 Jun 11

If these protestors/rent a crowd are soo into reducing Australia’s carbon foot print, why did most of them drive their cars to the protest? Surely they could of taken public transport & in return helped to lower the emissions from several hundred cars. I am aware that about 1/4 of the protestors caught ACTION Buses/hired coaches, but everyone who attended should of done so if they really cared about global warming.

I will admit that I object to a tax on carbon as I believe that no one will stop 50 degree winters in the distant future. That is as does anyone remember the ice age? What about when the earth was a mass of hot lava? Exactly, the earth is going through cycles & the world is up the heating stage. All we are currently doing is speeding up the process. In a few hundred thousand years, the earth will be a mass of lava. That is even if the world stopped polluting right now.

Jim Jones 6:19 pm 05 Jun 11

alaninoz said :

gasman said :

There is much research into why the general public (and the above posters) refuses to accept this fact and it potentially disastrous consequences. Seems to boil down to laziness, refusing to make a lifestyle change, and misinformation promoted by people and companies with a vested interest.

In Australia anything we do about reduction of greenhouse gasses is gesture politics. While we may (MAY) have the highest per capita greenhouse gas output in the world, our total output is small. Reducing our output of greenhouse gases may give a warm and fuzzy feeling and may set a good example for other countries, which they may or may not follow, the effect on climate change will be negligible.

“I’m not going to do the right thing until everyone else does”.

You wouldn’t except this kind of self-serving crap from children, why in all hell would you seriously propose it as an actual argument for … you know … adults?

Jim Jones 6:15 pm 05 Jun 11

creative_canberran said :

gasman said :

Actually, it is the right of all citizens in our society to demonstrate peacefully. It is up the the police and city authorities to make sure that such demonstrations are safe for all, hence the lane closures.

Climate change and the human contribution to it is a well-established fact in the scientific community. There is NO debate about its existence amongst people who have actually read the evidence.

There’s a jumping castle, an after part at Transit Bar and heaps of signs painted using poster paint that contains VOCs that harm the environment. All so some people can shout loudly and pat themselves on the back thinking they’re helping the environment.

These efforts would be more acceptable were it not so vain.

You’ve answered the repeated truths that (1) all citizens have a right to publically express their opinions, and (2) climate change is a well-established fact, with “it’s all in vain” and “these people are extremists”.

Why would you even bother posting this negative, insipid nonsense? Have you got anything to say, or are you here solely to complain about other people trying to make a positive impact?

canberralocal 6:01 pm 05 Jun 11

gasman said :

Actually, it is the right of all citizens in our society to demonstrate peacefully.

Yes and to not disrupt the regular flow of traffic on a main arterial road would be a pretty good start.

gasman said :

There is NO debate about its existence amongst people who have actually read the evidence.

You’ve got to be kidding me, right? No debate whatsoever at all by anyone, anywhere, who has read scientific findings related to a proposed correlation between CO2 emissions and the planet’s average temperatures rising?

creative_canberran 4:50 pm 05 Jun 11

gasman said :

Actually, it is the right of all citizens in our society to demonstrate peacefully. It is up the the police and city authorities to make sure that such demonstrations are safe for all, hence the lane closures.

Climate change and the human contribution to it is a well-established fact in the scientific community. There is NO debate about its existence amongst people who have actually read the evidence.

There’s a jumping castle, an after part at Transit Bar and heaps of signs painted using poster paint that contains VOCs that harm the environment. All so some people can shout loudly and pat themselves on the back thinking they’re helping the environment.

These efforts would be more acceptable were it not so vain.

gasman 4:33 pm 05 Jun 11

alaninoz said :

gasman said :

There is much research into why the general public (and the above posters) refuses to accept this fact and it potentially disastrous consequences. Seems to boil down to laziness, refusing to make a lifestyle change, and misinformation promoted by people and companies with a vested interest.

In Australia anything we do about reduction of greenhouse gasses is gesture politics. While we may (MAY) have the highest per capita greenhouse gas output in the world, our total output is small. Reducing our output of greenhouse gases may give a warm and fuzzy feeling and may set a good example for other countries, which they may or may not follow, the effect on climate change will be negligible.

Australia is not setting any sort of a lead in a carbon tax. There are many countries that have already done so. About a dozen European Union countries have already a carbon tax in place or are due to implement it this year. China has set a huge goal of CO2 reduction. Even India has a tax on carbon. Australia is risking being seen as a freeloader by not having a carbon tax.

The logic of “our contribution being small therefore we don’t need to do it” is faulty. If every individual thinks like this, nothing gets done. If you think your vote doesn’t amount to anything, why would you vote? Excess Carbon dioxide is a global problem. Every country and indeed every individual needs to do their own small thing to make a big difference.

alaninoz 11:57 am 05 Jun 11

gasman said :

There is much research into why the general public (and the above posters) refuses to accept this fact and it potentially disastrous consequences. Seems to boil down to laziness, refusing to make a lifestyle change, and misinformation promoted by people and companies with a vested interest.

In Australia anything we do about reduction of greenhouse gasses is gesture politics. While we may (MAY) have the highest per capita greenhouse gas output in the world, our total output is small. Reducing our output of greenhouse gases may give a warm and fuzzy feeling and may set a good example for other countries, which they may or may not follow, the effect on climate change will be negligible.

gasman 9:59 am 05 Jun 11

Actually, it is the right of all citizens in our society to demonstrate peacefully. It is up the the police and city authorities to make sure that such demonstrations are safe for all, hence the lane closures.

Climate change and the human contribution to it is a well-established fact in the scientific community. There is NO debate about its existence amongst people who have actually read the evidence.

There is much research into why the general public (and the above posters) refuses to accept this fact and it potentially disastrous consequences. Seems to boil down to laziness, refusing to make a lifestyle change, and misinformation promoted by people and companies with a vested interest.

Anything the rational thinking part of the population can do to get the message across to politicians and our fellow citizens is a good and necessary thing. I’ll be walking the bridge with my children, to support a tax that may help in a small way to make my childrens’ world a better place.

zippyzippy 9:50 am 05 Jun 11

This kind of thing happens often when people organize large public demonstrations. Bit of democracy closes a car lane for a couple of hours, so what?

creative_canberran 9:55 pm 04 Jun 11

The group behind this are a bunch of nut-bags who given the climate change deniers a run for the money.
I especially love this comment from one of their supporters on Facebook:

“hunt the stupid ignorant idiots down and just execute them”

Ironic given the death threats made agains proponents of climate change this week. Seems there’s elements on both sides taking things too far.

canberralocal 9:47 pm 04 Jun 11

This is bullcrap, closing an important public road in the name of some gesture, ridiculous.

Skygod 7:55 pm 04 Jun 11

We already have a means by which people can say yes to government proposals. It’s called an election. Before the last one, Gillard had every opportunity to say yes to a carbon tax. She said no.

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