19 August 2010

Seeking Witnesses to Road rage on Flemington Rd 18/8 11am

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Hello,

I’m seeking any witnesses to a road rage incident on Flemington Rd Mitchell that happened yesterday the 18th of August 2010 at 11am.

It involved a blue motorcycle and a late 90s model white ford falcon.

I was the rider of the motorcycle who was almost pushed off the road multiple times then threatened at the lights on the corner of Flemington and Northbourne.

I am seeking the number plate of the ford falcon and anything else anyone has to offer as a witness.

My email address is belot(at)internode(dot)on(dot)net.

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Canberran’s all drive with their head up their arse.
If I had 5 cents for all the times I could have been killed/injured/had my car damaged by reckless, ignorant drivers, I’d be a millionare.
In no particular order, I will state the the most difficult tasks for most Canberra drivers:

1. Merging (no one can seem to do it without breaking, slowing down or coming to an absolute halt)
2. Indicating (apparently those levers next to the steering wheel make the lights on the sides flash!?)
3. Parking (no other comment needed)
4. Round-a-bouts (Gungahlin residents know this too well)
5. Driving in the right hand lane, generally UNDER the specified speed limit (this is under driving with head up arse category)

So BELOT, unfortunately, this means you will almost always have to ride with eyes in the back of your head as most drivers pay no attention to anything unless you are in their direct vision (and they’ll find fault in what you’re doing and that usually will lead to road rage because Canberran’s are ANGRY drivers!)

We need a name and shame website up here for dickheads who do this sort of thing on A.C.T roads.. and one for idiots who talk on their mobile whilst driving.. (espcially with kids in the car silver 4WD on Flemington road on the 15th Nov)

Jim Jones said :

The ACT Police are useless because Australian law prevents conviction without evidence?

Witness* statements are not evidence these days? While I admit in this one-off instance, if the only witness is also the person alleging they were attacked, the chances of it going to court are slim. But I also think that is is the polices’ job to investigate this kinda thing to check if there is in fact no evidence. At the least if there was a record of such incidences, then patterns involving specific individuals may emerge.

[* – not that I think they should be the be all and end all, but they are all part of evidence. And I do understand that the police don’t have the time (because they don’t have the money) to follow up everything to the degree I would wish – doesn’t mean it is right]

The ACT Police are useless because Australian law prevents conviction without evidence?

An odd sequence of logic you have there.

merlin bodega10:19 am 02 Sep 10

krasny said :

Good grief. I know you may be seeking witnesses first, but if you haven’t already called the police, I’d strongly advise you to do so promptly – if you don’t report these things early on, even without all the evidence, they may not pay much attention, and you can always pass on more information once you have a job number.

I’m with arescarti42; I’m not going to discount the possibility that there’s another side to this story (it’s nothing personal, that’s just how I roll), but as a general principle, people driving metal death boxes have no business menacing cyclists and motorcyclists when the consequences are so serious (moreso even that menacing other drivers).

You are kidding right?

I did all the above when a psycho ran me off the road. Called the police, attended the police station and gave the make, model and registration of the car but the police refused to proceed because after all it was simply my word against the nut job who ran me off the road. Correct there are at least 3 sides to every story but at least I was prepared to go through the process. Just don’t suggest the police in the ACT are anything more than useless.

housebound said :

The allocation of our resources continues to be managed in accordance with the four-level priority response model. The model ensures that our resources are deployed to the most serious incidents at any given time.
They still won’t show up -their given time is a flexible concept.

I think the concept is lost on you, somehow.

bigred said :

And about the AFP locking up the innocent,suggest you look up the haneef matter.

Yeah, and look how well that turned out for them.

The allocation of our resources continues to be managed in accordance with the four-level priority response model. The model ensures that our resources are deployed to the most serious incidents at any given time.
They still won’t show up -their given time is a flexible concept.

Wasn’t there so can only comment in general terms. Obviously the OP should have looked after his own welfare by extracting himself from the situation as quickly as he could. He should have tried to note the plate number. He should also let plod know in case anyone else reported it and a rare motivated officer joined the dots.

And about the AFP locking up the innocent,suggest you look up the haneef matter.

Jim Jones said :

bigred said :

I will vote for the pollie that promises to make these f&ckers truly accountable.

And *that* is why we have stupid politicians?

Precisely how do you think that anyone is going to ‘make these f&ckers’ responsible, when all that you have is one person’s word against anothers – no witnesses, no evidence of any sort, and no way to determine what happened?

You can huff and puff about law’n’order and responsibility and blame ‘the gummint’ all you like. The day that the police start locking people up without evidence is the day I start swimming to New Zealand.

+1

The Traineediplomat4:52 pm 25 Aug 10

Bring back ratetheplate.com.au

That was fun reading sometimes especially if one plate had multiple reports on it. Unfortunately the person let the website registration slide and a cybersquatter jumped in.

P.S. there WAS a heap of witnesses, just none have come forward :sadface:

My Apologies Tooks. I thought you meant me.

belot said :

Tooks said :

Sure, someone tried to kill you. Instead of over-dramatising, tell us what actually happened, without exaggerating. Then tell us the result of the complaint you made for police inaction (you complained, right?).

I know if someone tried to kill me and police did nothing, I’d be doing more than writing about it on the internet (although I’d do that too, starting with a story on this site).

And if what you allege is true (which it may be), what have you done to make them accountable? Or are you one of these “what’s the point – they won’t do anything anyway” types?

Nothing in my post was over dramatised. Im not going to go into details about what happened, it was simply a question of did someone get this guys number plate cause I didn’t. I have done all that I can, reported to police, and without the number plate I wouldnt expect them to be able to do anything anyway. I am not under any illusion, nor complaining that he hasnt been caught, nor will be, as I guess at the end of the day I could have fleed (which I did) or stuck around and got his numberplate which also would have come with the heightened possibilty of being injured…… so your post is useless.

You probably found my post useless, becuase it wasn’t even directed at you. I was under the impression that bigred was talking about an incident that had happened to him, as you had never mentioned someone trying to kill you.

In your situation, you did the right thing by not escalating things by trying to get his numberplate. It is unfortunate there were no witnesses, but as you said, without a numberplate, not much could be done.

bigred, if you were talking about the OP (in post 51) then tell us what should’ve been done in this situation?

Tooks said :

Sure, someone tried to kill you. Instead of over-dramatising, tell us what actually happened, without exaggerating. Then tell us the result of the complaint you made for police inaction (you complained, right?).

I know if someone tried to kill me and police did nothing, I’d be doing more than writing about it on the internet (although I’d do that too, starting with a story on this site).

And if what you allege is true (which it may be), what have you done to make them accountable? Or are you one of these “what’s the point – they won’t do anything anyway” types?

Nothing in my post was over dramatised. Im not going to go into details about what happened, it was simply a question of did someone get this guys number plate cause I didn’t. I have done all that I can, reported to police, and without the number plate I wouldnt expect them to be able to do anything anyway. I am not under any illusion, nor complaining that he hasnt been caught, nor will be, as I guess at the end of the day I could have fleed (which I did) or stuck around and got his numberplate which also would have come with the heightened possibilty of being injured…… so your post is useless.

sepi said :

Should we really have to make formal complaints about police inaction to expect anything to ever be investigated:?

No, you’ve completely misunderstood what I said; read it again.

Jim Jones said :

The day that the police start locking people up without evidence is the day I start swimming to New Zealand.

I’ll wave as I go past in a boat.

Should we really have to make formal complaints about police inaction to expect anything to ever be investigated:?

bigred said :

I will vote for the pollie that promises to make these f&ckers truly accountable.

And *that* is why we have stupid politicians?

Precisely how do you think that anyone is going to ‘make these f&ckers’ responsible, when all that you have is one person’s word against anothers – no witnesses, no evidence of any sort, and no way to determine what happened?

You can huff and puff about law’n’order and responsibility and blame ‘the gummint’ all you like. The day that the police start locking people up without evidence is the day I start swimming to New Zealand.

Sure, someone tried to kill you. Instead of over-dramatising, tell us what actually happened, without exaggerating. Then tell us the result of the complaint you made for police inaction (you complained, right?).

I know if someone tried to kill me and police did nothing, I’d be doing more than writing about it on the internet (although I’d do that too, starting with a story on this site).

And if what you allege is true (which it may be), what have you done to make them accountable? Or are you one of these “what’s the point – they won’t do anything anyway” types?

Priority five – someone has just tried to kill you on Flemington road and by their behaviour might try to kill someone else – no response required because it is all too hard.

I will vote for the pollie that promises to make these f&ckers truly accountable.

georgesgenitals4:29 pm 23 Aug 10

Tooks said :

The following info is from http://www.police.act.gov.au/contact/report-a-crime.aspx#Police%20Responsiveness

The allocation of our resources continues to be managed in accordance with the four-level priority response model. The model ensures that our resources are deployed to the most serious incidents at any given time.

The categories for the four level response model are:

•Priority one – life threatening or time critical situations
•Priority two – situations where the information provided indicates that the time is important but not critical
•Priority three – situations where there is no immediate danger to safety or property but police attendance is need with undue delay
•Priority four – situations requiring police attendance where time is not important, including circumstances where a time is agreed with the person

Thanks for that – adds some clarity to the discussion.

p1: Given that it’s a rare occurance to see a sequence of traffic lights without at least one car running a red, I’d say that’s a very good approach you’ve got there.

The following info is from http://www.police.act.gov.au/contact/report-a-crime.aspx#Police%20Responsiveness

The allocation of our resources continues to be managed in accordance with the four-level priority response model. The model ensures that our resources are deployed to the most serious incidents at any given time.

The categories for the four level response model are:

•Priority one – life threatening or time critical situations
•Priority two – situations where the information provided indicates that the time is important but not critical
•Priority three – situations where there is no immediate danger to safety or property but police attendance is need with undue delay
•Priority four – situations requiring police attendance where time is not important, including circumstances where a time is agreed with the person

georgesgenitals1:27 pm 23 Aug 10

Tooks said :

bigred said :

Spideydog if only you had any idea of what went no where in this town because of the prioritisation policies of the wallopers.

Do you know the prioritisation policies, or are you just guessing based on your own limited experience?

What ARE the prioritisation policies? Can you post them up?

bigred said :

Spideydog if only you had any idea of what went no where in this town because of the prioritisation policies of the wallopers.

Do you know the prioritisation policies, or are you just guessing based on your own limited experience?

Spideydog if only you had any idea of what went no where in this town because of the prioritisation policies of the wallopers.

BrassRazoo said :

And wouldn’t mind betting there are more than a few who enjoy using the acceleration of their machines to deliberately put themselves in a strawman position as the ‘aggrieved party’.

I make a point of pausing for a moment before taking off at traffic lights when they turn green, cause if I took off the moment it changed, at an acceleration rate my bike is capable of (without trying) my chances of being cleaned up by a car coming trough just as/after it turns red are a little to high for comfort.

Conversely, back when I rode a small motorbike built by communists in a country that no longer exists, I was nearly hit by a few cars which clearly expected me to accelerate like I was coming of the grid at the motoGP.

The simple truth is that some people are cock and drive/ride/walk in such a way as to make the evident. Certain characteristics of certain types of vehicles and people make them stand out more. Bikes go fast, buses are big, pizza shops overcharge, etc.

Know exactly what you’re talking about with tailgating tradies – wonder how many are on restricted licences to allow them to work.

On the other hand, must admit that on the rare occasion I see a motorbike rider doing the right thing I think there must be a problem with the bike. And wouldn’t mind betting there are more than a few who enjoy using the acceleration of their machines to deliberately put themselves in a strawman position as the ‘aggrieved party’.

IMO much of this and other misbehaviour on the roads is simply bullying by gutless thugs who know they have a good chance of getting away with it.

p1 said :

Postalgeek said :

nhand42 said :

To be fair, at the latest Motorcycle Hooligans Conference (which every motorcyclist must attend; it’s compulsory) we all decided to do it only to you. Everybody else we leave alone.

They cancelled my membership for bringing the organisation into disrepute. I was caught doing 5 kms under the speed limit. To be fair I was on a 125 cc going up Black Mountain, but they didn’t want to hear about it :’-(

Bastards.

Did they make you get the membership tattoo removed too?

Both of them. I couldn’t sit down for a week.

bigred said :

And never forget that the AFP cannot be relied to help you out if it turns to custard, a point proven time and again all over Canberra.

Yeah, the courts prove your point time and time again too …… Oh sorry, contradict is the word I’m looking for !

All goes back to the general standard of ACT driving. Its bloody awful. And as usual, its always someone elses fault.

The number of times – and it happens EVERY DAY – I get abused (shouted at, one-finger salute etc) for keeping to the speed limit or following the rules of the road just makes me laugh.

No doubt there will be folk who comment, saying that my speedo is probably 10% down blah blah blah. Totally forgetting that when the sigh says 80, it is a speed LIMIT, not a MINIMUM. I see ‘normal’ (not bogons, hoons or boy racers) drivers here who (and this is the one that tickles me the most) move to the right lane at traffic lights, if there is nothing there, only to roar off then 100 meters later screech their brakes on and turn left!! Do they have Shares in OPEC companies or something!? Their fuel costs must be astronomical…!

If only everyone was as perfect a driver as me.

Postalgeek said :

nhand42 said :

To be fair, at the latest Motorcycle Hooligans Conference (which every motorcyclist must attend; it’s compulsory) we all decided to do it only to you. Everybody else we leave alone.

They cancelled my membership for bringing the organisation into disrepute. I was caught doing 5 kms under the speed limit. To be fair I was on a 125 cc going up Black Mountain, but they didn’t want to hear about it :’-(

Bastards.

Did they make you get the membership tattoo removed too?

Road rage on motorcycles is directly proportional to the size of the bike and rider being targetted. When I ride my big red bike with matching huge top box I am very much left alone. No tailgating, no nothing really except for the odd near sighted Mr Magoo type. Sometimes I have access to a 125 scooter and find the world changes totally. Conclusion: tailgaters etc are cowardly bullies.

Best response is to ride assertively, be extremely visible and always scan the road looking for possible hazards and escape routes. And a bit of atitude always helps.

And never forget that the AFP cannot be relied to help you out if it turns to custard, a point proven time and again all over Canberra.

2.0 said :

Im not defending the driver at all, it sounds like a stupid way to act, all im saying is I very rarly see any motorcycle rider doing the speed limit and riding safely.

Get the blinkers of your eyes. Motorcyclist are the same as any other driver group. Alot are good, but there is always a few bad apples that spoil it for everyone.

Damn, I had no idea there were this many motorcyclists on RA. I’ve been riding for about 7 months now, and whilst having been on the receiving end of some pretty negligent driving a couple of times, I haven’t been the victim of full blown road rage (thankfully). I think the only thing I’d be doing in that case is pulling over to the side of the road. I expect the offending driver would pass, and I could take their registration number down, or they’d pull over and sling some expletives, which probably has a lower chance of death.

nhand42 said :

To be fair, at the latest Motorcycle Hooligans Conference (which every motorcyclist must attend; it’s compulsory) we all decided to do it only to you. Everybody else we leave alone.

They cancelled my membership for bringing the organisation into disrepute. I was caught doing 5 kms under the speed limit. To be fair I was on a 125 cc going up Black Mountain, but they didn’t want to hear about it :’-(

Bastards.

astrojax said :

2.0 said :

Well maybe if the majority of you motorcycle riders didnt speed, weave in and out of traffic, almost take my side mirrors off every morning trying to get to the front of lights and think that its your right to use the bicycle lane then this probably wouldn’t have happened.

the majority? like the majority of tintop drivers with no respect for other traffic and who speed everywhere, talking on their mobile phones, with their seatbelts undone and overcharging $5 for pizza all the time?

i know 95% of laywers give the rest a bad name, but don’t go there on two wheel road users, 7mate…

Exactly.

I think 2.0 is forgetting that if we come off a bike, we are seriously injured or dead. Bike riders don’t do the intimidating on the road because we will always come off second best.

A vast majority (yes, the majority) of drivers on the other hand have absolutely terrible driving skills, and as a result motorcyclists are constantly scanning for the next driver that will try and run them over.

We go through more training and testing and require more skill (both in handling and perception) in order to ride a bike. We aren’t the people you need to be worrying about.

bitzermaloney2:14 pm 20 Aug 10

Sgt.Bungers said :

.. the Falcon driver could’ve then made his way down Marcus Clarke street at 60km/h in peak hour with pedestrians everywhere…

Obvioualy not the same Falcon parked in the middle of Marcus Clarke St a couple month’s ago then? He was obviously doing his community service by trying to slow everyone down to a speed where a pedeestrian if hit would have a 50% chance of survival.

nhand42 said :

2.0 said :

Well maybe if the majority of you motorcycle riders didnt speed, weave in and out of traffic, almost take my side mirrors off every morning trying to get to the front of lights and think that its your right to use the bicycle lane then this probably wouldn’t have happened.

To be fair, at the latest Motorcycle Hooligans Conference (which every motorcyclist must attend; it’s compulsory) we all decided to do it only to you. Everybody else we leave alone.

Damn conspiracy! I knew it!!

2.0 said :

Well maybe if the majority of you motorcycle riders didnt speed, weave in and out of traffic, almost take my side mirrors off every morning trying to get to the front of lights and think that its your right to use the bicycle lane then this probably wouldn’t have happened.

the majority? like the majority of tintop drivers with no respect for other traffic and who speed everywhere, talking on their mobile phones, with their seatbelts undone and overcharging $5 for pizza all the time?

i know 95% of laywers give the rest a bad name, but don’t go there on two wheel road users, 7mate…

ConanOfCooma said :

Female P-platers and Tradies, the worst of Canberra drivers.

Times change, it used to be the male P-platers and the DCs.

The majority of speeding cars I see on a daily basis are adults, not P-platers. They are usually in expensive cars that P-platers couldn’t even afford, probably public servants, and they think they have the right to break as many laws on the road as they like. I do agree that Tradies are main offenders. Pretty much every ute that speeds past me, while I’m going the speed limit, produces a flicker of fluoro orange or yellow in my periphery.

amarooresident311:52 am 20 Aug 10

I seem to have mislaid my invite to the next Motorcyclist Hooligans Conference. When is the next one?

On a related matter, I was riding home the other night in the rain and was tailgated all the way down Flemington Rd. Bearing in mind that it is slippery as hell, where does the car driver think they are going to go if I came off? Dick.

noodlemeister11:32 am 20 Aug 10

Unfortunately it’s not just motorcyclists that cop it, my 75 year old father was a victim of completely unprovoked road rage/moronic behaviour the other day. (I know it was unprovoked because I was in the car behind dad and we were both in the left lane of the parkway doing the speed limit allowing others to pass and not obstructing anyone)

A charming young man in a ute decided he would play chicken with dad and sped past him giving him the finger then once in front he slammed his breaks on nearly causing an accident. He did this a few times until dad and I pulled over to get away from him. He then decided to pull over too and started to get out of his car whilst yelling god knows what our way. At least that gave us enough time to drive off again leaving a bit of a gap between us. He decided to stop the harassment when we started heading to the police station.

Don’t know if anything was done once we reported him but all I know is my very lucid, medically fit and active father is now terrified of driving, as is my 5 year old who was in the car with him at the time.

justin heywood11:03 am 20 Aug 10

2.0 said :

And honestly I cant beleive that someone tried to run you off the road without you doing even the slightest thing wrong…..

But that’s the thing 2.0. All of us make mistakes in traffic, and all of us witness idiots in traffic every day. However, it takes a particular mindset to feel that you must ‘avenge’ yourself against others in a way that actually threatens their life.

I agree though that ‘tradies’ are unfairly targeted as perpetrators in this forum. Seems to be largely a guy thing though.

johnboy said :

Yes, because all motorcyclists are the same person 2.0.

of course, just like all cyclists are the same and all “tradies in utes” are the same

Im not defending the driver at all, it sounds like a stupid way to act, all im saying is I very rarly see any motorcycle rider doing the speed limit and riding safely.

And honestly I cant beleive that someone tried to run you off the road without you doing even the slightest thing wrong…..

nhand42 said :

To be fair, at the latest Motorcycle Hooligans Conference (which every motorcyclist must attend; it’s compulsory) we all decided to do it only to you. Everybody else we leave alone.

+1 for awesomeness.

2.0 said :

Well maybe if the majority of you motorcycle riders didnt speed, weave in and out of traffic, almost take my side mirrors off every morning trying to get to the front of lights and think that its your right to use the bicycle lane then this probably wouldn’t have happened.

Don’t ever go driving in asia or india, because if this is the kind of stuff that worries you, your head will explode.

Belot, i’d recommend you post this on the Canberra Riders forum located at canberrariders.org.au.

I’m glad I ride a bike that can go offroad, because it’s times like that where you have the benefit of being able to escape from an idiot.

I have often considered getting one of those little red emergency hammers and having it with me on the moto. Would be useful in situations like this.

2.0 said :

Well maybe if the majority of you motorcycle riders didnt speed, weave in and out of traffic, almost take my side mirrors off every morning trying to get to the front of lights and think that its your right to use the bicycle lane then this probably wouldn’t have happened.

Time for an upgrade I think. Looks like your version doesn’t carry the common sense module.

2.0 said :

Well maybe if the majority of you motorcycle riders didnt speed, weave in and out of traffic, almost take my side mirrors off every morning trying to get to the front of lights and think that its your right to use the bicycle lane then this probably wouldn’t have happened.

To be fair, at the latest Motorcycle Hooligans Conference (which every motorcyclist must attend; it’s compulsory) we all decided to do it only to you. Everybody else we leave alone.

outdoormagoo9:43 am 20 Aug 10

Belot, I know how you feel.

The tradies are the worst, especially the young ones. I have had cause to give it a boot-full (well hand-full actually) on the bike adn hightail it down Canberra Ave on my way to Queanbeyan police station. Luckily there a=was an ACT cop parked a bit further down the road, so I pulled up behind him and explained what happened, but the offender was long gone by the time I got the story out.

Best part was I never exceeded the speed limit. Stupid Commodore V8 had nothing off the line with a Monster 1100S tryin to get away from it. I had a 150m gap before he started to catch up.

I recommend being aware of the nearest police stations and just heading there. I have even had cause to pull into a fire station as it was the first thing I saw adn they were ready to dish out some old-fashioned lessons when I told them what happened.

Unfortunately being on a bike makes you a target and, as I found out, being on a big red Ducati makes you a bigger target to these morons.

Well maybe if the majority of you motorcycle riders didnt speed, weave in and out of traffic, almost take my side mirrors off every morning trying to get to the front of lights and think that its your right to use the bicycle lane then this probably wouldn’t have happened.

Yes, because all motorcyclists are the same person 2.0.

Unfortunately many want to take the law into their own hands when they don’t know the law. Personally being a very active motorcyclist, don’t pick on anyone and never display your anger at some behaviour that you don’t like. The results could be fatal or worse.

Chalk this one up to experience and may Karma strike fear in the heart of the Falcon driver for very little else will.

Pete

PS a thick skin helps 🙂

ConanOfCooma said :

Female P-platers and Tradies, the worst of Canberra drivers.

Times change, it used to be the male P-platers and the DCs.

The female p-platers are getting better. The tradies are getting worse. If it’s tailgating, speeding, cutting people off, and being a generally obnoxious arsehole on the road, you can make a safe bet it’s a tradie.

Sgt.Bungers said :

That said, the Falcon driver could’ve then made his way down Marcus Clarke street at 60km/h in peak hour with pedestrians everywhere… the slightest thing goes wrong, at 60km/h, a pedestrian has an 85% chance of being killed, and also blamed? Yet this is a legal and acceptable practice in our motor vehicle based society. Why?

Anyone who drives down Marcus Clarke street at 60 km/h at almost any time is going too fast, regardless of what the speed limit may be.

I think we will slowly see car drivers being held more accountable for any of their actions that result in death or severe injury – that’s the way they’re headed in Victoria, anyway.

Captain RAAF9:04 am 20 Aug 10

Sgt.Bungers said :

…..the Falcon driver could’ve then made his way down Marcus Clarke street at 60km/h in peak hour with pedestrians everywhere… the slightest thing goes wrong, at 60km/h, a pedestrian has an 85% chance of being killed, and also blamed? Yet this is a legal and acceptable practice in our motor vehicle based society. Why?

Where you pulling these statistics from mate and have you taken your medication today?

ConanOfCooma8:23 am 20 Aug 10

Female P-platers and Tradies, the worst of Canberra drivers.

Times change, it used to be the male P-platers and the DCs.

I’ve had the same thing happen to me. Pretty scary when some loonie tradie in his ute decides that he wants to kill you.

You really have to wonder what is going through their minds.

This is the complaceny in motor vehicles I keep on raving about.

It most likely didn’t even cross the Falcon driver’s mind that if the slightest thing goes wrong, Belot would’ve been killed. He would’ve been thinking “this’ll teach him, I’ll give him a scare.” If the bloke is caught, he should have his licence cancelled for 10 years minimum. All the replies to Belot so far are in his favour, and rightfully so. I also ride a bike and have had road rage directed at me, it’s terrifying.

That said, the Falcon driver could’ve then made his way down Marcus Clarke street at 60km/h in peak hour with pedestrians everywhere… the slightest thing goes wrong, at 60km/h, a pedestrian has an 85% chance of being killed, and also blamed? Yet this is a legal and acceptable practice in our motor vehicle based society. Why?

Gungahlin Al6:57 am 20 Aug 10

There’s a turd lives around Gungahlin somewhere and drives a blue Lexus, did the same sort of thing to me after cutting me off – proceeded to jam on the brakes multiple times all the way up Flemington.

Felix the Cat8:23 pm 19 Aug 10

You really have to wonder what is going through their minds.

Nothing, that’s the problem.

Oh dear. Moreso THAN menacing other drivers.

Apparently, it’s also past time for my nap. Sorry.

Good grief. I know you may be seeking witnesses first, but if you haven’t already called the police, I’d strongly advise you to do so promptly – if you don’t report these things early on, even without all the evidence, they may not pay much attention, and you can always pass on more information once you have a job number.

I’m with arescarti42; I’m not going to discount the possibility that there’s another side to this story (it’s nothing personal, that’s just how I roll), but as a general principle, people driving metal death boxes have no business menacing cyclists and motorcyclists when the consequences are so serious (moreso even that menacing other drivers).

Pretty scary experience for the motorcyclist.

If the Falcon had and was attempting to push the motorcycle off the road, what is the ‘correct’ thing for the motorcyclist to do?

I would say the motorcyclist has reasonable grounds to be in fear for their life, so is it acceptable from them to speed/flee (to the closest police station).

As a biker, this appalls me. Bikes are vulnerable enough as it is, mostly by car and 4WD idiots, but deliberate action against a bike is criminal.

Good luck!

Devil_n_Disquiz5:33 pm 19 Aug 10

Always 3 sides to a story arescarti. Theirs, yours and the truth 🙂

I hope you have some luck finding them.

As much as I suspect there may be two sides to this story, the idea that someone in a car would deliberately put a motorcyclists life at risk is pretty unforgivable.

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