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Seselja claims Labor will restore carbon and mining taxes

By Canfan - 27 January 2015 37

Senator for the ACT Zed Seselja has today claimed that Labor will restore its carbon and mining tax slugs on Australians at the first opportunity.

In a press release issued following Andrew Leigh’s comments on government spending and revenue in The Australian, Seselja said:

“The confirmation from Andrew Leigh that the carbon tax would be imposed on Australians under a Labor Government highlights Labor’s support for higher electricity bills and extra cost of living pressures on Australian families.

“The carbon tax was a policy of hurting Australian families, putting jobs at risk and damaging Australia’s international competitiveness,” he said.

“In its last year of operation, the carbon tax was a $7.6 billion hit on the Australian economy and during Labor’s time electricity prices rose dramatically.

“Scrapping the carbon tax has delivered families and businesses in the ACT the biggest drop in electricity prices on record.

“According to the Consumer Price Index for the September Quarter 2014 released in October last year, power bills in the ACT are up to 11.5 per cent lower than they would have been with the carbon tax.

“The Government is committed to tackling climate change without a multi-billion dollar carbon tax that drives up the cost of living for Australian families and businesses.

“Andrew Leigh and Bill Shorten want to take away the savings ACT families and business are seeing with their plan to bring back the carbon tax,” Senator Seselja concluded.

Are you convinced? If Labor did plan to reintroduce the carbon and mining taxes, would it change the way you vote at the next election?

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Seselja claims Labor will restore carbon and mining taxes
Postalgeek 8:16 am 28 Jan 15

dungfungus said :

If fresh water ice is already floating on sea water, the level of the sea water will actually fall when that ice melts so there is no risk of the fresh water ice causing sea levels to rise as claimed by these so-called scientists.
It is all about volume and displacement – elementary primary school stuff.

It is also about thermal expansion.

rosscoact 7:48 am 28 Jan 15

jazzamac said :

dungfungus said :

Can you also explain how the warm water is going to find its way between the glacier and the land mass it is on?

My views may be narrow but they are factual, not modelled.

Because the glacial ice extends out into the ocean and forms an ice shelf. It sits on top of the water, where the warmer water underneath it melts the ice.

Took me all of about 10 mins to do some research.

Have a read of this http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/shrinking-ice-shelves/ice-shelves/

No amount of reason, evidence or science fact or even basic physics will counter the automatic naysaying of blinkered denialists. It just wastes time and effort and should be treated as slightly annoying background noise, think galahs in a tree drunk on fermenting Lilli Pilli

dungfungus 10:11 pm 27 Jan 15

dungfungus said :

jazzamac said :

dungfungus said :

Can you also explain how the warm water is going to find its way between the glacier and the land mass it is on?

My views may be narrow but they are factual, not modelled.

Because the glacial ice extends out into the ocean and forms an ice shelf. It sits on top of the water, where the warmer water underneath it melts the ice.

Took me all of about 10 mins to do some research.

Have a read of this http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/shrinking-ice-shelves/ice-shelves/

Then it not a glacier. More deceit from the “scientists”.
In fact, “glacial ice” is the stuff that turns into icebergs which eventually melt so the outcome is exactly the same.

“Because the glacial ice extends out into the ocean and forms an ice shelf. It sits on top of the water, where the warmer water underneath it melts the ice”
If fresh water ice is already floating on sea water, the level of the sea water will actually fall when that ice melts so there is no risk of the fresh water ice causing sea levels to rise as claimed by these so-called scientists.
It is all about volume and displacement – elementary primary school stuff.
Anyone want to challenge that?

dungfungus 4:22 pm 27 Jan 15

jazzamac said :

dungfungus said :

Can you also explain how the warm water is going to find its way between the glacier and the land mass it is on?

My views may be narrow but they are factual, not modelled.

Because the glacial ice extends out into the ocean and forms an ice shelf. It sits on top of the water, where the warmer water underneath it melts the ice.

Took me all of about 10 mins to do some research.

Have a read of this http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/shrinking-ice-shelves/ice-shelves/

Then it not a glacier. More deceit from the “scientists”.
In fact, “glacial ice” is the stuff that turns into icebergs which eventually melt so the outcome is exactly the same.

miz 4:02 pm 27 Jan 15

I don’t get why the carbon tax was so bad. It brought in the bucks. And I know no one who got the fabled $550 back when it was scrapped, so that was complete propaganda.

And don’t we all know by now that the electricity price hikes were because the stupid power corps continued to ‘invest’ in poles and wires despite a big drop in demand?
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2014-04-27/5406022

Listers_Cat 3:18 pm 27 Jan 15

If Labor dumps their mining and ETS policies I will be voting for the Greens candidates first instead of Andrew Leigh.

jazzamac 2:25 pm 27 Jan 15

dungfungus said :

Can you also explain how the warm water is going to find its way between the glacier and the land mass it is on?

My views may be narrow but they are factual, not modelled.

Because the glacial ice extends out into the ocean and forms an ice shelf. It sits on top of the water, where the warmer water underneath it melts the ice.

Took me all of about 10 mins to do some research.

Have a read of this http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/shrinking-ice-shelves/ice-shelves/

dungfungus 1:22 pm 27 Jan 15

watto23 said :

dungfungus said :

crappicker said :

I certainly wish and expect Labor to bring back both taxes as a matter of urgency.

“Direct Action” seems little more than a downunder version of “Action Directe”, sabotaging sensible and urgently required government action on climate change through an ETS.

Zzzzzzd may stick his head in the sand and act as if the latest CSIRO report on climate change does not sound another dire warning for Australia, but so he fails in his duty to act in the best interests of the ACT.

Hopeless.

With mines closing down all over Australia and future demand for commodities to be satisfied by Brazil and developing countries, what is the point in bringing back a mining tax?
And the carbon tax made no difference to the climate.
It is all academic anyhow as the latest doom and gloom from scientists who have just returned from a cruise to the Antarctic are suggesting warm water (I think they mean slightly less cold water) is getting under a glacier which is twice the size of Victoria and melting it. The result will be a rise of several metres in global sea levels.
I always thought that glaciers were only on land so somehow the “warm” water is going to travel uphill between the land and the glacier to melt it?
Meanwhile, Canberra swelters with high summer daily maximums of under 20 degrees and the East Coast of the USA prepares for the usual winter blizzards.
Yep, we is all doomed!

Water actually moderates the temperatures a fair bit. That is why coastal regions don’t have freezing overnight temperatures. Warm water means warmer air temperatures.

You can’t look at isolated daily temperatures to fulfill your narrow views. Average temperatures are higher. Last year we had a cooler January in day time temps, but then had several 40C days in February.

I find it interesting how people can deny environmental changes because with their eyes they don’t see it, yet have no issue believing in a religion most of which has no confirmation with ones own eyes either! (note: i have no idea on your own particular religious beliefs but I know many deniers who happen to be devoutly religious and state similar reasons to there denials)

I agree with what you say about religious beliefs but I subscribe to Christian values. The line between what climate alarmists believe and what mainstream religious teach is very thin.
You are correct about warm water giving warmer air temperatures but the climate scientists on the latest melting glacier scare say the water is way below the surface (under the glacier) so how can this affect air temperature?
Can you also explain how the warm water is going to find its way between the glacier and the land mass it is on?
Re “average” temperatures, the scope of measuring these in recent times is not even a wink in time.
My views may be narrow but they are factual, not modelled.

Grail 1:16 pm 27 Jan 15

Dear Zed,

Please show your working for these figures.

How do you support your assertion that the reduction in electricity bills was due to the carbon tax, rather than the price of coal, and the cessation of gold-plating of infrastructure?

How do you support your assertion that the destruction of the renewable energy industry is good for the economy? Where are Tony Abbott’s “million jobs”? (Note that is a trick question, we all know that Tony really meant there would only be a million jobs left by the time he was done)

Thanks to the income tax threshold being raised by Labor as part of the Carbon Pricing Scheme, I had more money so I was able to live better. The removal of the Carbon Pricing scheme has lowered my electricity bill by about $5 a year, but raised my taxes by a few hundred. The raised tax-free threshold was morebenefit to poorer families, which is why the Liberals had to get rid of it. After all, we can’t go giving the poor an opportunity to improve their lot in life, can we Zed?

I want the Carbon Pricing Scheme back, and I want it migrated to a full-blown ETS as soon as possible. I want to see the ability for farmers to make a few extra quid planting pasture trees. This benefits the environment due to carbon sequestration, benefits the timber industry due to encouragement to plant hardwood forests for better quality timber, benefits livestock due to better quality pasture (even cows need shade), and benefits me since I get a more pleasant countryside to traipse through on my excursions to visit the country folk.

gazket 1:00 pm 27 Jan 15

well of Labor will bring back the carbon tax and stupid carbon credits. All though I don’t know why they want to make abuisness people make money from shuffling paper certificates around.

you can also expect open border policy again from Labor and let more Mad Monnis’s become Australian citizens.

Bosworth said :

“Something needs to be done to repair the Liberal’s budget mess.

Labor made the uncontrollable mess we are in. No Government could fix the $ hundreds of billions of debt in one term. It will take a generation to pay off. All the Labor voters and politicians complain about debt but don’t want to make any sacrifice to pay the money back that they wasted and pissed up the wall.

Labor have never made a significant dent in any debt ever they created and only increased it. We had the mining boom and they even wrecked that.

All this debt has to be paid in US dollars so courtesy of Labor the debt is still rising with our falling dollar.

Australia isn’t the problem climate change hypocrites. When I go out west I can see for hundreds of kilometers and no air pollution to be seen. I can even drink the river water.

Unlike other countries populated with billions of people where you can’t see 5 km’s because of air pollution.

Labor are rotten to the core and their traditional values are dying with the older Labor generation. Don’t forget how much industry and job losses were created when Labor made the carbon tax law.

crappicker said :

I certainly wish and expect Labor to bring back both taxes as a matter of urgency.

“Direct Action” seems little more than a downunder version of “Action Directe”, sabotaging sensible and urgently required government action on climate change through an ETS.

Zzzzzzd may stick his head in the sand and act as if the latest CSIRO report on climate change does not sound another dire warning for Australia, but so he fails in his duty to act in the best interests of the ACT.

Hopeless.

So ACT Labor increasing electricity prices, rates and doubling our water bills is good for the ACT residents.

All a carbon tax does is make money for financial institutions at the peril of the working class and does nothing for our country.

watto23 12:40 pm 27 Jan 15

dungfungus said :

crappicker said :

I certainly wish and expect Labor to bring back both taxes as a matter of urgency.

“Direct Action” seems little more than a downunder version of “Action Directe”, sabotaging sensible and urgently required government action on climate change through an ETS.

Zzzzzzd may stick his head in the sand and act as if the latest CSIRO report on climate change does not sound another dire warning for Australia, but so he fails in his duty to act in the best interests of the ACT.

Hopeless.

With mines closing down all over Australia and future demand for commodities to be satisfied by Brazil and developing countries, what is the point in bringing back a mining tax?
And the carbon tax made no difference to the climate.
It is all academic anyhow as the latest doom and gloom from scientists who have just returned from a cruise to the Antarctic are suggesting warm water (I think they mean slightly less cold water) is getting under a glacier which is twice the size of Victoria and melting it. The result will be a rise of several metres in global sea levels.
I always thought that glaciers were only on land so somehow the “warm” water is going to travel uphill between the land and the glacier to melt it?
Meanwhile, Canberra swelters with high summer daily maximums of under 20 degrees and the East Coast of the USA prepares for the usual winter blizzards.
Yep, we is all doomed!

Water actually moderates the temperatures a fair bit. That is why coastal regions don’t have freezing overnight temperatures. Warm water means warmer air temperatures.

You can’t look at isolated daily temperatures to fulfill your narrow views. Average temperatures are higher. Last year we had a cooler January in day time temps, but then had several 40C days in February.

I find it interesting how people can deny environmental changes because with their eyes they don’t see it, yet have no issue believing in a religion most of which has no confirmation with ones own eyes either! (note: i have no idea on your own particular religious beliefs but I know many deniers who happen to be devoutly religious and state similar reasons to there denials)

Bosworth 12:16 pm 27 Jan 15

“Labor will restore the carbon and mining tax at the first opportunity.”

Great! The sooner the better.

Something needs to be done to repair the Liberal’s budget mess.

Milly Withers 12:16 pm 27 Jan 15

So Zed says that Labor’s policies hurt Australian families, put jobs at risk and damage Australia’s international competitiveness… at the same time that his government has gutted billions from schools, universities, the public service, the pension and Medicare. He’s got a nerve.

Sounds like Zed knows the current government’s in trouble and is clutching at straws to convince voters otherwise. Embarrassing.

dungfungus 12:14 pm 27 Jan 15

crappicker said :

I certainly wish and expect Labor to bring back both taxes as a matter of urgency.

“Direct Action” seems little more than a downunder version of “Action Directe”, sabotaging sensible and urgently required government action on climate change through an ETS.

Zzzzzzd may stick his head in the sand and act as if the latest CSIRO report on climate change does not sound another dire warning for Australia, but so he fails in his duty to act in the best interests of the ACT.

Hopeless.

With mines closing down all over Australia and future demand for commodities to be satisfied by Brazil and developing countries, what is the point in bringing back a mining tax?
And the carbon tax made no difference to the climate.
It is all academic anyhow as the latest doom and gloom from scientists who have just returned from a cruise to the Antarctic are suggesting warm water (I think they mean slightly less cold water) is getting under a glacier which is twice the size of Victoria and melting it. The result will be a rise of several metres in global sea levels.
I always thought that glaciers were only on land so somehow the “warm” water is going to travel uphill between the land and the glacier to melt it?
Meanwhile, Canberra swelters with high summer daily maximums of under 20 degrees and the East Coast of the USA prepares for the usual winter blizzards.
Yep, we is all doomed!

crappicker 11:52 am 27 Jan 15

I certainly wish and expect Labor to bring back both taxes as a matter of urgency.

“Direct Action” seems little more than a downunder version of “Action Directe”, sabotaging sensible and urgently required government action on climate change through an ETS.

Zzzzzzd may stick his head in the sand and act as if the latest CSIRO report on climate change does not sound another dire warning for Australia, but so he fails in his duty to act in the best interests of the ACT.

Hopeless.

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