Shane wants your thoughts on traffic management in Weston Creek and Tuggeranong

johnboy 15 November 2012 50

The new mayor Shane Rattenbury is getting stuck in to the job by seeking the public’s views on the vexed issue of traffic management on residential street in parts southern.

“These studies will examine traffic conditions and safety on local roads and provide residents the opportunity to express their views on how to improve their local streets,” Mr Rattenbury said.

“We want to ensure local streets are safe for drivers, but also that they are safe and welcoming neighbourhoods, where people can walk and cycle, and where children can play safely.

“One study will look at Streeton Drive between Hindmarsh Drive and Namatjira Drive, while two other separate studies will examine Tuggeranong streets, including Coyne Street, Clift Crescent, Hambidge Crescent and Heagney Crescent.


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KB1971 KB1971 9:18 am 20 Nov 12

gooterz said :

RB78 said :

For the benefit of those who mentioned duplicating arterial roads in Tuggers…

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/roads/construction_projects/ashley_drive

So a report points out what most of the south side is thinking yet the action taken is another study, with the indication that they wont want to spend much money on the south.

Nice to know, now bring on the speed humps for Coyne St for WMC!!!!

I actually think that corner in Coyne St needs to be re engineered.

gooterz gooterz 9:20 pm 19 Nov 12

RB78 said :

For the benefit of those who mentioned duplicating arterial roads in Tuggers…

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/roads/construction_projects/ashley_drive

So a report points out what most of the south side is thinking yet the action taken is another study, with the indication that they wont want to spend much money on the south.

RB78 RB78 8:39 pm 19 Nov 12

For the benefit of those who mentioned duplicating arterial roads in Tuggers…

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/roads/construction_projects/ashley_drive

dpm dpm 2:36 pm 19 Nov 12

Lillypilly said :

The rat running, is because the arterial roads are crap. In Weston creek it’s almost a given now that you cut through suburbs. Case in point: the crash in June, on the parkway, saw Weston creek grind to a complete halt as half of tuggeranong tried to cut around the accident.

The duplication of cotter road, between streeton drive and the parkway has to be, per kilometre, the longest ever time to construct a road in the history of Canberra. And they’ve only just now started on the rest of the duplication (that was scheduled for January 2012). And you’re worried about streeton drive where you have quite regular speeding van setups already?

Priorities – you’re doing it wrong.

Sad, but now I won’t be surprised to expect speed bumps and other speed reducers on streeton drive before the Cotter Rd is finished. Joy

Prepare for more pain once Cotter Road is finished, when they start work on adding traffic lights to the Streeton/Dixon/Unwin intersection, along with redoing some of streeton between Dixon drive and Cotter Road….
http://www.actpla.act.gov.au/topics/your_say/comment/pubnote?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZhcHBzLmFjdHBsYS5hY3QuZ292LmF1JTJGcHVibm90ZSUyRnB1Ym5vdGVEZXRhaWxfbmV3LmFzcCUzRkRBX25vJTNEMjAxMjIyMjc2JmFsbD0x

I imagine Streeton will be pretty bad at peak times. On the positive side, peak times aren’t too long. It may mean leaving for work earlier (or later!) for a while.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 2:22 pm 19 Nov 12

miz said :

Speed bumps (kerthump kerthump) just piss off the locals. Never a good idea. And PLEASE no encroachment on the roads already extant (ie bike lanes).
Ratruns I habitually use: Bugden and Castleton Gowrie to get to Sternberg and Erindale; Clift Cres to avoid Ashley (dangerous); Clive Steele and Charleston to get to Drakeford/Tugg Pkwy (quicker at certain times). People are increasingly seeking to avoid the choked main arterials at all costs – hence rat running.
I reckon improving/widening Johnson, Ashley, Erindale and Isabella Drives would be a good start – parts of Johnson Drive are poorly lit at night, Ashley/Erindale Drives are dreaded bottlenecks at peak hours, and Isabella Drive does not cope where it ‘becomes’ Athllon at the Drakeford roundabout. Further, Isabella Drive is clearly meant to be dual carriageway. Where is it?
I hope the Roads people are taking notes.

Y

Lolol

miz miz 1:41 pm 19 Nov 12

Speed bumps (kerthump kerthump) just piss off the locals. Never a good idea. And PLEASE no encroachment on the roads already extant (ie bike lanes).
Ratruns I habitually use: Bugden and Castleton Gowrie to get to Sternberg and Erindale; Clift Cres to avoid Ashley (dangerous); Clive Steele and Charleston to get to Drakeford/Tugg Pkwy (quicker at certain times). People are increasingly seeking to avoid the choked main arterials at all costs – hence rat running.
I reckon improving/widening Johnson, Ashley, Erindale and Isabella Drives would be a good start – parts of Johnson Drive are poorly lit at night, Ashley/Erindale Drives are dreaded bottlenecks at peak hours, and Isabella Drive does not cope where it ‘becomes’ Athllon at the Drakeford roundabout. Further, Isabella Drive is clearly meant to be dual carriageway. Where is it?
I hope the Roads people are taking notes.

Lillypilly Lillypilly 1:04 pm 19 Nov 12

The rat running, is because the arterial roads are crap. In Weston creek it’s almost a given now that you cut through suburbs. Case in point: the crash in June, on the parkway, saw Weston creek grind to a complete halt as half of tuggeranong tried to cut around the accident.

The duplication of cotter road, between streeton drive and the parkway has to be, per kilometre, the longest ever time to construct a road in the history of Canberra. And they’ve only just now started on the rest of the duplication (that was scheduled for January 2012). And you’re worried about streeton drive where you have quite regular speeding van setups already?

Priorities – you’re doing it wrong.

Sad, but now I won’t be surprised to expect speed bumps and other speed reducers on streeton drive before the Cotter Rd is finished. Joy

NoImRight NoImRight 12:41 pm 19 Nov 12

cmdwedge said :

Chop71 said :

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

I like the new Al

Me too. The obliteration of the Greens at the last election has just made him even more of a sook. Al, your tears of frustration are delicious.

You really see Al as the “sook” in this thread? Maybe read it again…..

cmdwedge cmdwedge 11:58 am 19 Nov 12

Chop71 said :

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

I like the new Al

Me too. The obliteration of the Greens at the last election has just made him even more of a sook. Al, your tears of frustration are delicious.

Chop71 Chop71 9:57 am 19 Nov 12

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

I like the new Al

Deckard Deckard 8:27 pm 18 Nov 12

Antagonist said :

Once again, this is more about Shane looking like he is doing something and less about actually achieving it.

Jeez, give the guy a chance to screw up before bagging him.

gooterz gooterz 3:07 pm 18 Nov 12

How many labor voter fatalities does it take to duplicate a road?

Antagonist Antagonist 1:21 pm 18 Nov 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

What’s more pressing than reducing crashes?

How is noticing that there are localised clusters of crashes that might be able to knocked over all at once cheaply and quickly ‘faffing around’?

Are you seriously suggesting that until we’re in a position to duplicate a couple of major arterial roads we should ignore local issues?

Next week: KB1971 fixes the hospital system. We just let a bunch of people die, because there’s no point fixing appendicitis if we haven’t cured cancer first.

WMC: The problem with your analogy is that we do have the cure for the road problems. But rather than treating the causes, TaMS would prefer to keep treating the symptoms. TaMS have been throwing chicanes and new roadmarkings at these roads for years, and yet these problems persist. TaMS are not addressing the causes of the problems (overdue arterial road duplication), but rather they insist on sticking band-aids (chicanes) on top of existing band-aids (road re-marking).

Once again, this is more about Shane looking like he is doing something and less about actually achieving it.

KB1971 KB1971 1:02 pm 18 Nov 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Live in Coyne St do you?

No. Out of curiosity – what f*cking difference would it make?

I agree something needs to be done there but all this faffing around is not really addressing more pressing issues in that part of the valley.

What’s more pressing than reducing crashes?

How is noticing that there are localised clusters of crashes that might be able to knocked over all at once cheaply and quickly ‘faffing around’?

Are you seriously suggesting that until we’re in a position to duplicate a couple of major arterial roads we should ignore local issues?

Next week: KB1971 fixes the hospital system. We just let a bunch of people die, because there’s no point fixing appendicitis if we haven’t cured cancer first.

Jeezus, I was just asking,……….You were all emo about it when I merely suggested that our arterial roads should be looked at first.

You need to take a pill.

Yes there are a higher proportion of accidents on Coyne St than on similar roads but there are other roads that have had actual recorded deaths such as Ashley Drive (the intersection with Clift Cr is a doozy that has claimed a couple that I can remember).

I am unaware of any on Coyne St. Of course I am not suggesting we should wait until there is a death, merely stating some “evidence” for you.Then there is the traffic hold ups every day.

maxblues maxblues 11:54 am 18 Nov 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

I forgot to highlight to Woody (and Shane) that any ‘traffic management’ that involves speed humps etc will only slow down emergency services such as fire trucks getting to your house.

Please tell me you’re not allowed to operate an appliance*.

*I meant fire truck, but this way I get to cover off anything electrical, too.

I only operate heavy machinery after exceeding my daily beer ‘tasting’ quota…speaking of which it is about time you bought me another beer at the Phoenix…speaking of which, what a great choice next Thursday night… The Fuelers at the Phoenix, Lachy Doley at the Front Gallery, Alison Penney & The Moneymakers at the Press Club… we haven’t quite worked out how to fit them all in…

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 10:26 am 18 Nov 12

I forgot to highlight to Woody (and Shane) that any ‘traffic management’ that involves speed humps etc will only slow down emergency services such as fire trucks getting to your house.

Please tell me you’re not allowed to operate an appliance*.

*I meant fire truck, but this way I get to cover off anything electrical, too.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 10:21 am 18 Nov 12

Live in Coyne St do you?

No. Out of curiosity – what f*cking difference would it make?

I agree something needs to be done there but all this faffing around is not really addressing more pressing issues in that part of the valley.

What’s more pressing than reducing crashes? How is noticing that there are localised clusters of crashes that might be able to knocked over all at once cheaply and quickly ‘faffing around’?

Are you seriously suggesting that until we’re in a position to duplicate a couple of major arterial roads we should ignore local issues?

Next week: KB1971 fixes the hospital system. We just let a bunch of people die, because there’s no point fixing appendicitis if we haven’t cured cancer first.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 7:14 am 18 Nov 12

The solution is simple. Remove all the airbags, crumple zones and any other ANCAP rubbish from cars [While we are at it, take off the doors and windows too], then see how comfortable people feel about speeding on our roads. Cars are so safe that we lose sight of the fact that they can still kill people. A grim reaper ad campaign, with Mr. Death tearing through a back street running over toddlers might do the trick. Don’t forget to include all the gory details for effect, as hoons have desensitized to violence and need to be woken up to the reality of life. I would suspect that this may not work, as loss of license may be the only thing get the attention of some.

miz miz 5:51 pm 17 Nov 12

I can see where you are coming from Al. Still, it is kinda sad that when they asked, ‘quick, let’s make it look like we are doing something for southsiders cos they feel neglected and voted Liberal’, this was the best they could come up with.

maxblues maxblues 11:42 am 17 Nov 12

maxblues said :

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

There are arterial roads in these areas that needed upgrading 10 years ago and have been put under further pressure by all the development in the Lanyon Valley. The Labor government must have been aware of this the entire time that they have been in power so it is a little disconcerting when you say that Rattenbury has publicly acknowledged that this is not his field of expertise and that he will not be relying on the advice of his staff. Why is there a failure in planning or perhaps a failure to follow a plan? Katy Gallagher spoke on radio this morning about the evidence from the election result of voter concerns on local issues, referring to Brindabella and this is also a worry, because she acknowledged that all funds for transport infrastructure were earmarked for the north side to be spent on light rail and Majura Parkway. It seems to be a cunning plan to use the Rattenbury/Tuggeranong/Weston consultation is a smokescreen to make Brindabella voters think they are not forgotten but not letting on that funds for work in their area may not be available for another 10 years.
Before someone snipes in that I am just bitter…you’re damn right, I’m one of the 50% of Canberrans bitter after the last election, but I am more bitter about the fact that up until the last election I had always voted Labor but became disillusioned with what they failed to achieve (and subsequent blame/excuses).

I forgot to highlight to Woody (and Shane) that any ‘traffic management’ that involves speed humps etc will only slow down emergency services such as fire trucks getting to your house.

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