15 November 2012

Shane wants your thoughts on traffic management in Weston Creek and Tuggeranong

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The new mayor Shane Rattenbury is getting stuck in to the job by seeking the public’s views on the vexed issue of traffic management on residential street in parts southern.

“These studies will examine traffic conditions and safety on local roads and provide residents the opportunity to express their views on how to improve their local streets,” Mr Rattenbury said.

“We want to ensure local streets are safe for drivers, but also that they are safe and welcoming neighbourhoods, where people can walk and cycle, and where children can play safely.

“One study will look at Streeton Drive between Hindmarsh Drive and Namatjira Drive, while two other separate studies will examine Tuggeranong streets, including Coyne Street, Clift Crescent, Hambidge Crescent and Heagney Crescent.

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gooterz said :

RB78 said :

For the benefit of those who mentioned duplicating arterial roads in Tuggers…

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/roads/construction_projects/ashley_drive

So a report points out what most of the south side is thinking yet the action taken is another study, with the indication that they wont want to spend much money on the south.

Nice to know, now bring on the speed humps for Coyne St for WMC!!!!

I actually think that corner in Coyne St needs to be re engineered.

RB78 said :

For the benefit of those who mentioned duplicating arterial roads in Tuggers…

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/roads/construction_projects/ashley_drive

So a report points out what most of the south side is thinking yet the action taken is another study, with the indication that they wont want to spend much money on the south.

For the benefit of those who mentioned duplicating arterial roads in Tuggers…

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/roads/construction_projects/ashley_drive

Lillypilly said :

The rat running, is because the arterial roads are crap. In Weston creek it’s almost a given now that you cut through suburbs. Case in point: the crash in June, on the parkway, saw Weston creek grind to a complete halt as half of tuggeranong tried to cut around the accident.

The duplication of cotter road, between streeton drive and the parkway has to be, per kilometre, the longest ever time to construct a road in the history of Canberra. And they’ve only just now started on the rest of the duplication (that was scheduled for January 2012). And you’re worried about streeton drive where you have quite regular speeding van setups already?

Priorities – you’re doing it wrong.

Sad, but now I won’t be surprised to expect speed bumps and other speed reducers on streeton drive before the Cotter Rd is finished. Joy

Prepare for more pain once Cotter Road is finished, when they start work on adding traffic lights to the Streeton/Dixon/Unwin intersection, along with redoing some of streeton between Dixon drive and Cotter Road….
http://www.actpla.act.gov.au/topics/your_say/comment/pubnote?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZhcHBzLmFjdHBsYS5hY3QuZ292LmF1JTJGcHVibm90ZSUyRnB1Ym5vdGVEZXRhaWxfbmV3LmFzcCUzRkRBX25vJTNEMjAxMjIyMjc2JmFsbD0x

I imagine Streeton will be pretty bad at peak times. On the positive side, peak times aren’t too long. It may mean leaving for work earlier (or later!) for a while.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd2:22 pm 19 Nov 12

miz said :

Speed bumps (kerthump kerthump) just piss off the locals. Never a good idea. And PLEASE no encroachment on the roads already extant (ie bike lanes).
Ratruns I habitually use: Bugden and Castleton Gowrie to get to Sternberg and Erindale; Clift Cres to avoid Ashley (dangerous); Clive Steele and Charleston to get to Drakeford/Tugg Pkwy (quicker at certain times). People are increasingly seeking to avoid the choked main arterials at all costs – hence rat running.
I reckon improving/widening Johnson, Ashley, Erindale and Isabella Drives would be a good start – parts of Johnson Drive are poorly lit at night, Ashley/Erindale Drives are dreaded bottlenecks at peak hours, and Isabella Drive does not cope where it ‘becomes’ Athllon at the Drakeford roundabout. Further, Isabella Drive is clearly meant to be dual carriageway. Where is it?
I hope the Roads people are taking notes.

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Lolol

Speed bumps (kerthump kerthump) just piss off the locals. Never a good idea. And PLEASE no encroachment on the roads already extant (ie bike lanes).
Ratruns I habitually use: Bugden and Castleton Gowrie to get to Sternberg and Erindale; Clift Cres to avoid Ashley (dangerous); Clive Steele and Charleston to get to Drakeford/Tugg Pkwy (quicker at certain times). People are increasingly seeking to avoid the choked main arterials at all costs – hence rat running.
I reckon improving/widening Johnson, Ashley, Erindale and Isabella Drives would be a good start – parts of Johnson Drive are poorly lit at night, Ashley/Erindale Drives are dreaded bottlenecks at peak hours, and Isabella Drive does not cope where it ‘becomes’ Athllon at the Drakeford roundabout. Further, Isabella Drive is clearly meant to be dual carriageway. Where is it?
I hope the Roads people are taking notes.

The rat running, is because the arterial roads are crap. In Weston creek it’s almost a given now that you cut through suburbs. Case in point: the crash in June, on the parkway, saw Weston creek grind to a complete halt as half of tuggeranong tried to cut around the accident.

The duplication of cotter road, between streeton drive and the parkway has to be, per kilometre, the longest ever time to construct a road in the history of Canberra. And they’ve only just now started on the rest of the duplication (that was scheduled for January 2012). And you’re worried about streeton drive where you have quite regular speeding van setups already?

Priorities – you’re doing it wrong.

Sad, but now I won’t be surprised to expect speed bumps and other speed reducers on streeton drive before the Cotter Rd is finished. Joy

cmdwedge said :

Chop71 said :

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

I like the new Al

Me too. The obliteration of the Greens at the last election has just made him even more of a sook. Al, your tears of frustration are delicious.

You really see Al as the “sook” in this thread? Maybe read it again…..

Chop71 said :

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

I like the new Al

Me too. The obliteration of the Greens at the last election has just made him even more of a sook. Al, your tears of frustration are delicious.

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

I like the new Al

Antagonist said :

Once again, this is more about Shane looking like he is doing something and less about actually achieving it.

Jeez, give the guy a chance to screw up before bagging him.

How many labor voter fatalities does it take to duplicate a road?

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

What’s more pressing than reducing crashes?

How is noticing that there are localised clusters of crashes that might be able to knocked over all at once cheaply and quickly ‘faffing around’?

Are you seriously suggesting that until we’re in a position to duplicate a couple of major arterial roads we should ignore local issues?

Next week: KB1971 fixes the hospital system. We just let a bunch of people die, because there’s no point fixing appendicitis if we haven’t cured cancer first.

WMC: The problem with your analogy is that we do have the cure for the road problems. But rather than treating the causes, TaMS would prefer to keep treating the symptoms. TaMS have been throwing chicanes and new roadmarkings at these roads for years, and yet these problems persist. TaMS are not addressing the causes of the problems (overdue arterial road duplication), but rather they insist on sticking band-aids (chicanes) on top of existing band-aids (road re-marking).

Once again, this is more about Shane looking like he is doing something and less about actually achieving it.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Live in Coyne St do you?

No. Out of curiosity – what f*cking difference would it make?

I agree something needs to be done there but all this faffing around is not really addressing more pressing issues in that part of the valley.

What’s more pressing than reducing crashes?

How is noticing that there are localised clusters of crashes that might be able to knocked over all at once cheaply and quickly ‘faffing around’?

Are you seriously suggesting that until we’re in a position to duplicate a couple of major arterial roads we should ignore local issues?

Next week: KB1971 fixes the hospital system. We just let a bunch of people die, because there’s no point fixing appendicitis if we haven’t cured cancer first.

Jeezus, I was just asking,……….You were all emo about it when I merely suggested that our arterial roads should be looked at first.

You need to take a pill.

Yes there are a higher proportion of accidents on Coyne St than on similar roads but there are other roads that have had actual recorded deaths such as Ashley Drive (the intersection with Clift Cr is a doozy that has claimed a couple that I can remember).

I am unaware of any on Coyne St. Of course I am not suggesting we should wait until there is a death, merely stating some “evidence” for you.Then there is the traffic hold ups every day.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

I forgot to highlight to Woody (and Shane) that any ‘traffic management’ that involves speed humps etc will only slow down emergency services such as fire trucks getting to your house.

Please tell me you’re not allowed to operate an appliance*.

*I meant fire truck, but this way I get to cover off anything electrical, too.

I only operate heavy machinery after exceeding my daily beer ‘tasting’ quota…speaking of which it is about time you bought me another beer at the Phoenix…speaking of which, what a great choice next Thursday night… The Fuelers at the Phoenix, Lachy Doley at the Front Gallery, Alison Penney & The Moneymakers at the Press Club… we haven’t quite worked out how to fit them all in…

Woody Mann-Caruso10:26 am 18 Nov 12

I forgot to highlight to Woody (and Shane) that any ‘traffic management’ that involves speed humps etc will only slow down emergency services such as fire trucks getting to your house.

Please tell me you’re not allowed to operate an appliance*.

*I meant fire truck, but this way I get to cover off anything electrical, too.

Woody Mann-Caruso10:21 am 18 Nov 12

Live in Coyne St do you?

No. Out of curiosity – what f*cking difference would it make?

I agree something needs to be done there but all this faffing around is not really addressing more pressing issues in that part of the valley.

What’s more pressing than reducing crashes? How is noticing that there are localised clusters of crashes that might be able to knocked over all at once cheaply and quickly ‘faffing around’?

Are you seriously suggesting that until we’re in a position to duplicate a couple of major arterial roads we should ignore local issues?

Next week: KB1971 fixes the hospital system. We just let a bunch of people die, because there’s no point fixing appendicitis if we haven’t cured cancer first.

wildturkeycanoe7:14 am 18 Nov 12

The solution is simple. Remove all the airbags, crumple zones and any other ANCAP rubbish from cars [While we are at it, take off the doors and windows too], then see how comfortable people feel about speeding on our roads. Cars are so safe that we lose sight of the fact that they can still kill people. A grim reaper ad campaign, with Mr. Death tearing through a back street running over toddlers might do the trick. Don’t forget to include all the gory details for effect, as hoons have desensitized to violence and need to be woken up to the reality of life. I would suspect that this may not work, as loss of license may be the only thing get the attention of some.

I can see where you are coming from Al. Still, it is kinda sad that when they asked, ‘quick, let’s make it look like we are doing something for southsiders cos they feel neglected and voted Liberal’, this was the best they could come up with.

maxblues said :

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

There are arterial roads in these areas that needed upgrading 10 years ago and have been put under further pressure by all the development in the Lanyon Valley. The Labor government must have been aware of this the entire time that they have been in power so it is a little disconcerting when you say that Rattenbury has publicly acknowledged that this is not his field of expertise and that he will not be relying on the advice of his staff. Why is there a failure in planning or perhaps a failure to follow a plan? Katy Gallagher spoke on radio this morning about the evidence from the election result of voter concerns on local issues, referring to Brindabella and this is also a worry, because she acknowledged that all funds for transport infrastructure were earmarked for the north side to be spent on light rail and Majura Parkway. It seems to be a cunning plan to use the Rattenbury/Tuggeranong/Weston consultation is a smokescreen to make Brindabella voters think they are not forgotten but not letting on that funds for work in their area may not be available for another 10 years.
Before someone snipes in that I am just bitter…you’re damn right, I’m one of the 50% of Canberrans bitter after the last election, but I am more bitter about the fact that up until the last election I had always voted Labor but became disillusioned with what they failed to achieve (and subsequent blame/excuses).

I forgot to highlight to Woody (and Shane) that any ‘traffic management’ that involves speed humps etc will only slow down emergency services such as fire trucks getting to your house.

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

Ergo, whenever we get a new minister, any and all traffic studies/consultations undertaken by TaMS in the preceeding 5 years should be thrown out the window? Come off it, Al. The minister is new. TaMS functions and its ongoing projects are not new.

Rattenbury already knows what the issues are. He said so himself with “Residents of these streets are increasingly concerned about traffic issues such as speeding and ‘rat running’.” So it seems the public have already told him what their concerns are. Since he knows what the issues are, are the consultations and studies still necessary? Doubtful – I think this one is more about appearances than outcomes.

“We want to ensure local streets are safe for drivers, but also that they are safe and welcoming neighbourhoods, where people can walk and cycle, and where children can play safely.

Why don’t you just ban cars Shane. Worked for plastic bags. Or maybe have a target of Zero Traffic by 2050?

Gungahlin Al said :

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

There are arterial roads in these areas that needed upgrading 10 years ago and have been put under further pressure by all the development in the Lanyon Valley. The Labor government must have been aware of this the entire time that they have been in power so it is a little disconcerting when you say that Rattenbury has publicly acknowledged that this is not his field of expertise and that he will not be relying on the advice of his staff. Why is there a failure in planning or perhaps a failure to follow a plan? Katy Gallagher spoke on radio this morning about the evidence from the election result of voter concerns on local issues, referring to Brindabella and this is also a worry, because she acknowledged that all funds for transport infrastructure were earmarked for the north side to be spent on light rail and Majura Parkway. It seems to be a cunning plan to use the Rattenbury/Tuggeranong/Weston consultation is a smokescreen to make Brindabella voters think they are not forgotten but not letting on that funds for work in their area may not be available for another 10 years.
Before someone snipes in that I am just bitter…you’re damn right, I’m one of the 50% of Canberrans bitter after the last election, but I am more bitter about the fact that up until the last election I had always voted Labor but became disillusioned with what they failed to achieve (and subsequent blame/excuses).

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Because crash statistics don’t indicate that somebody is pranging into a rock wall, taking out a light pole for the thirteenth time, heading over an embankment or having head-ons on Erindale Drive and Athllon Dr. Want some motorsport action? Stand near the western end of Coyne St when it rains, cue Benny Hill, and wait. You won’t be waiting long.

Seriously, wtf do you people want? It’s an evidence-based approach to road safety, complete with community consultation, and you’re complaining?

I agree. My gripes are that there should be more info available about why the Government chooses to consider some roads over others, deadlines should be set for consultation periods (and subsequent implementation of any ideas or decisions) and they should be held accountable for any deadlines that they miss.

Gungahlin Al11:41 am 16 Nov 12

Antagonist said :

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is.

For pete’s sake. You have a new minister. He is going to do things differently. But he isn’t a clairvoyant, nor is this aspect his field of expertise, as he’s publicly acknowledged. If he just went and started making decisions, based alone on what the staff tell him, you’d be screaming blue murder. So he’s consulting – so those very residents you are saying have the answers can pass on that local knowledge. Look back over what you wrote and consider whether it reads at all logically?

poetix said :

Every site needs a resident pitbull. Our persistent growler just happens to wear mascara.

I actually thought he’d go away after the election. Its not funny anymore, now its just sad.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd10:53 am 16 Nov 12

Masquara said :

What’s a GREEN doing in charge of the roads?

Are you honestly that dense?

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Because crash statistics don’t indicate that somebody is pranging into a rock wall, taking out a light pole for the thirteenth time, heading over an embankment or having head-ons on Erindale Drive and Athllon Dr. Want some motorsport action? Stand near the western end of Coyne St when it rains, cue Benny Hill, and wait. You won’t be waiting long.

Seriously, wtf do you people want? It’s an evidence-based approach to road safety, complete with community consultation, and you’re complaining?

Of course we are complaining – because nobody in government is freakin listening. Tuggeranong residents are simply repeating the same thing they have been shouting for over 25 years: we need to duplicate the main arterial roads. This will reduce much of the traffic flow through suburbs on roads such as Coyne, Heagney, Clift etc. Adding more chicanes and speed humps to suburban roads will do nothing to reduce the number of rat-runners. It will just be another band-aid solution to a much bigger problem, which will need to be addressed sooner or later anyway.

We don’t need another Claytons study/consultation for this. Residents know what the problem is, and residents know what the solution is. The government have had their heads in the sand for years. Delaying duplication is delaying the inevitable.

Every site needs a resident pitbull. Our persistent growler just happens to wear mascara.

Masquara said :

What’s a GREEN doing in charge of the roads?

Ah, the wondrous smell of sour grapes mixed with futile bile and stirred with impotent rage.

Masquara said :

What’s a GREEN doing in charge of the roads?

He’s just a bunny, he’s there to reduce the amount of traffic by introducing Katydid’s toll on the parkway and GDE.

Tuggeranong roads have been crap for years, there have been many many many promises made at election time to fix them, but rather than fixing them it seems to be more important to dump a great hunk of metal in the middle of it and call it art. It’s not just the maintenance of them either, the amount of rubbish/building material that is strewn over them is ridiculous, so much for the “tying down your loads laws” being enforced – and then there are the trees that are growing through many of the cracks in the roads, parts of the concrete dividers on the parkway are turning into nature strips.

Here_and_Now9:27 am 16 Nov 12

How_Canberran said :

And so we have our first taste of Lord Rattenbury’s decision-making capability. No need for the hard calls expected of an elected (?) representative…just throw everything out for good ol’ public consultation. That way, we can duck and weave when Ministerial ‘accountability’ rears its head at Council Question Time.

How Canberran.

It seems reasonable that if he’s looking to improve traffic things somewhere that he ask the people who drive there.

Besides, when there isn’t a public consultation, people instead kick up a fuss over not being consulted and gripe about that instead.

How very, as you say, Canberran.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Because crash statistics don’t indicate that somebody is pranging into a rock wall, taking out a light pole for the thirteenth time, heading over an embankment or having head-ons on Erindale Drive and Athllon Dr. Want some motorsport action? Stand near the western end of Coyne St when it rains, cue Benny Hill, and wait. You won’t be waiting long.

Seriously, wtf do you people want? It’s an evidence-based approach to road safety, complete with community consultation, and you’re complaining?

Live in Coyne St do you?

I agree something needs to be done there but all this faffing around is not really addressing more pressing issues in that part of the valley. If Ashley/Erindale drive was not such a clusterf#%k in the morning people would be less likely to rat run through Gowrie to get over to Chisholm.

There are a number of roads that need attention, start with the big picture first.

Gungahlin Al9:13 am 16 Nov 12

Masquara said :

What’s a GREEN doing in charge of the roads?

Masquara said :

Will Shane’s staff be catching the bus to the community consultations?

Masquara said :

And will the questionnaires being delivered to households by this GREEN minister be on recycled paper AND carbon offset?

You really are pathetic aren’t you?
If you have nothing to bring to the discussion, how about just shutting up?

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Because crash statistics don’t indicate that somebody is pranging into a rock wall, taking out a light pole for the thirteenth time, heading over an embankment or having head-ons on Erindale Drive and Athllon Dr. Want some motorsport action? Stand near the western end of Coyne St when it rains, cue Benny Hill, and wait. You won’t be waiting long.

Seriously, wtf do you people want? It’s an evidence-based approach to road safety, complete with community consultation, and you’re complaining?

What he said.

Tetranitrate said :

PrinceOfAles said :

How about we set up road blocks so no bogans can leave Tuggeranong. Ever.

I really don’t get the whole Tuggeranong = bogans thing.
I’ve lived in various parts of Belconnen and the Inner North as well as more recently in Tuggeranong – frankly I don’t notice that much difference between the first and the last. Every Calwell has its Kippax and every Jamison its Erindale.

Seems to be a northsider thing. Back in 1990 before I moved here, when I used to visit some friends in Belco they used to slag the southsiders off then. I lived all over Canberra in share accommodation for a couple of years before settling in Tuggeranong in 1994.

Favourite places? Rivett & Jerrabomberra (before it grew). Would I move back to Belco? Not by choice, I like the south & its access to the hills & fishing.

Tetranitrate11:06 pm 15 Nov 12

PrinceOfAles said :

How about we set up road blocks so no bogans can leave Tuggeranong. Ever.

I really don’t get the whole Tuggeranong = bogans thing.
I’ve lived in various parts of Belconnen and the Inner North as well as more recently in Tuggeranong – frankly I don’t notice that much difference between the first and the last. Every Calwell has its Kippax and every Jamison its Erindale.

And will the questionnaires being delivered to households by this GREEN minister be on recycled paper AND carbon offset?

Will Shane’s staff be catching the bus to the community consultations?

What’s a GREEN doing in charge of the roads?

This just means speed camera on suburban streets.

If they have enough cars they might be worth it.

Nice to see they’re upgrading, civic, belconnen, parkes way. Northbourne – gungahlin with light rail.

Has anyone driven on the parkway yet?

When it rains you aqua plane like a bobsledder.

When its busy you have traffic everywhere.

When there is an accident its a 5-7 car pileup.

Adjacent to the parkway is the corridor left for Mass Transit or more lanes!

Government wont encourage any businesses to Tuggeranong except centrelink.
So say only 15% of tuggeranong has to travel into civic and back each day.
15k people doing 25km would be 300,000 km collectively per day.
Which is also the distance of the earth to the moon.

42k people in Gungahlin, if 15% went to civic thats 73,000km a day.

How_Canberran6:47 pm 15 Nov 12

And so we have our first taste of Lord Rattenbury’s decision-making capability. No need for the hard calls expected of an elected (?) representative…just throw everything out for good ol’ public consultation. That way, we can duck and weave when Ministerial ‘accountability’ rears its head at Council Question Time.

How Canberran.

Getting from Simpson’s Hill to the park on Heagney and Deamer means crossing Heagney. Need an underpass.

Woody Mann-Caruso6:33 pm 15 Nov 12

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Because crash statistics don’t indicate that somebody is pranging into a rock wall, taking out a light pole for the thirteenth time, heading over an embankment or having head-ons on Erindale Drive and Athllon Dr. Want some motorsport action? Stand near the western end of Coyne St when it rains, cue Benny Hill, and wait. You won’t be waiting long.

Seriously, wtf do you people want? It’s an evidence-based approach to road safety, complete with community consultation, and you’re complaining?

KB1971 said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Ashley, Isabella and Johnson drives to a lesser extent.

Then we can work on the rest.

+1. And I’ll raise you the stretch of Lanyon Drive between Cawell/Theodore.

PrinceOfAles said :

How about we set up road blocks so no bogans can leave Tuggeranong. Ever.

Can we have the same for Belconnen, its only fair.

maxblues said :

KB1971 said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Ashley, Isabella and Johnson drives to a lesser extent.

Then we can work on the rest.

Sorry KB, I think you are sadly mistaken if you think that the Green’s (correct punctuation) ‘traffic management’ equals ‘improving roads’.

Sadly i think you are right.

PrinceOfAles5:12 pm 15 Nov 12

How about we set up road blocks so no bogans can leave Tuggeranong. Ever.

KB1971 said :

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Ashley, Isabella and Johnson drives to a lesser extent.

Then we can work on the rest.

Sorry KB, I think you are sadly mistaken if you think that the Green’s (correct punctuation) ‘traffic management’ equals ‘improving roads’.

How about we fix the arterial roads first such as Erindale Drive and Athllon Drive.

Ashley, Isabella and Johnson drives to a lesser extent.

Then we can work on the rest.

Narrow the roads, install lots of speed humps, then install an expensive electric light rail system which starts 30km away and heads in the opposite direction. That should ‘manage’ things nicely.

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