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Should my son be discriminated from preschool because of Autism????

By mitcore - 6 February 2010 47

Hi all, it has been a long time since i have posted here

I am posting this today to get advice or find out the laws for discriminating an autistic child from entering main stream preschool, I was told by the deputy principle that my 4  yr son shouldnt be entering pre school until term 3 or even term 4.

They did not give a reason on why this is to happen, I had his preschool teacher, very rudely comment that it would be better for her because she needs to settle her *normal* children into preschool, she has another special need child attending her class and from what i know there is no issue for that child to attend in term 1, (this statement has angered me and i have been trying to find out what the laws are for discrimination),

I do have to say my son is not toliet trainned and from what i have been told they can not stop him from entering mainstream school because of this, my 4 yr old son is newly diagnosesed with autism and i am now feeling that i am fighting for him to be able to do what other children are doing, he attends an EIU with no issues to the lack of toilet training, he is not able to socialise with other children, but should this be an excuse for him not to attend????

I say no, he has a very good understanding on what is asked of him and will do most requests when asked for, has anyone else suffered like this, if so can you pls tell me what to do and where i stand as far as the laws are concerned

Thank you all for reading

cheers mitcore

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we_three 2:49 pm 11 Mar 10

grunge_hippy said :

autistic or not, your child should be toilet trained by 4. unless they are in a wheelchair and impaired in some other way, then this is just an excuse. there are numerous websites that have many different methods of teaching toilet training, especially ASD children. google is your friend.

i know this because i am a teacher of autistic kids in a mainstream school. unless you start helping yourself, you are going to get nowhere fast. you are especially are not going to do yourself or your child any favours by starting their education on the wrong foot by pissing people off who are trying to help you.

Hi Mitcore,
This is the wrong place to be getting advice, you will only receive ignorant responses like that above. Therapy ACT will be able to help you and connect you with services to help your child. I’m a mum of an autistic boy myself, he was toilet trained just before turning 4, and only because he was copying his younger brother going to the toilet. Ignore the TT comments on here from people who obviously have no experience with children with autism, otherwise they would know that toilet training is a common problem and that some can’t actually be trained until they are 10 or older.

I would be upset too if I were you, your child has as much of a right to be at school as any other child, regardless of whether she is using the toilet or not. If your child has a diagnosis of autism, The department of education will give your child an STA who will take care of nappies etc. My little guy started a few weeks after the other kids, for his own benefit and not for the other children or teacher. It was so that the other children could settle in to the routine, because as we know our autistic kids need routine and structure and it is easier for them when the other kids are in the routine as well.

I’m sorry that you have had such rude responses on here, unfortunately this is the society that we live in and people aren’t always accepting. We will not be building any ‘bridges’, because our children need us to fight for them. If you do not have a child with autism, you have absolutely no idea of the challenges and hurdles we face on a daily basis. It is this type of ignorance that we have to face when our child has a meltdown in the supermarket and people assume they are having a tantrum.

grunge_hippy – if you teach autistic children like you say you do, then you would definitely know that toileting is a huge issue for kids with autism. Which school do you work in? I would not feel confident leaving my child with someone who doesn’t even understand the challenges they face!

Best of luck Mitcore.

georgesgenitals 8:35 pm 10 Feb 10

TheDJPea said :

Jim Jones said :

TheDJPea said :

I didn’t read the comments above, however, the long and short of it is they CAN’T discriminate against your child because of autism.

No matter how they try and sugar coat it “We don’t have the facilities” “We don’t have the staff”, the fact is they don’t have the right to discriminate

Try reading the comments, Joel.

No need

Can’t discriminate? Really? Slippery slope, pal…

Skidbladnir 4:18 pm 09 Feb 10

While you might think it unfair that you were turned away since they already have”another special needs child” in the class\school, not all special needs children are as needy as certain others.

The point of getting the Federal $12k entitlement (ask one of the services around town about getting support) is to prepare children who need extra assistance in achieving school entry, and working to diminish their disadvantage, by supplying Early Intervention (AEI) support services through your assisting panel service.
It used to be entirely school-prep based, in that it ended once the Consortium gave a child a Deemed School Attendance date, eligibility ended on that day.
Now its just an Eligibility End Date of around the 7th birthdate (with extension available).

But if people who work with children and special needs cases have concerns that the mainstream education system and classroom environment are not set up to deal with the specific needs of your child, maybe you could trust their professional judgement, listen to their interpretation of your circumstances , and take appropriate actions to address their concerns?
Unless of course you believe that Mother Always Knows Best, then you can go back to questioning the motives of people trying to help.
As a guide, question policy in the first instance, only question motives when you have evidence to support it.

TheDJPea 2:23 pm 09 Feb 10

Jim Jones said :

TheDJPea said :

I didn’t read the comments above, however, the long and short of it is they CAN’T discriminate against your child because of autism.

No matter how they try and sugar coat it “We don’t have the facilities” “We don’t have the staff”, the fact is they don’t have the right to discriminate

Try reading the comments, Joel.

No need

jasmine 11:34 am 09 Feb 10

Some schools are not resourced to give appropriate attention to a child with special needs. Pre-schools in particular are usually staffed with one main head teacher and a pre-school assistant.

Toilet training is a big issue. A friend of mine kept her son back for a year as he was still not fully toilet trained (he did not have special needs). She tried for a month and was called down by the teacher a number of times each week to change his clothes. In the end she realised he was not ready. He has done well for being held back a year.

Teachers get a raw deal these days. They are expected to be super human, being able to cope with a classroom of children, act as social worker and deal with special needs all without support.

I would see if you can get into the program that allows a special needs child to attend mainstream school with a helper (don’t remember the proper name). They are paid by the Education Department to assist the child with classroom and play activities (if needed) which allows the teacher to get on with the job of teaching.

Clown Killer 1:50 am 09 Feb 10

I would imagine that as a parent you would want a school environment where your childs nees were being met and they had the opportunity to grow and learn in a safe, well resourced and caring environment. Do you really imagine that forcing a school to take your child will provide that?

Fiona 8:45 pm 08 Feb 10

This topic has had my brain churning today 😉

@justanotherreader – what units and schools have closed down? In the recent closures most units moved to new schools.

Schools do need to be well supported in order to include all children – not just the kids with a ‘diagnosis’ but also those from ESL, disadvantaged backgrounds, gifted kids.

The special ed review has been completed http://www.det.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/105341/Review_of_Special_Education_ACT_2009_Final_Report.pdf Not that I’ve read it yet, downloading now 😉

On the toileting thing – I don’t see that as being an issue with the right supports. I’m sure EIU are working towards it, as well as at home… but there’s no way a kid with, say, cerbral palsy who is dependent on carers for toileting but may be a close to or average learner with the right supports would be denied entry to preschool or school without challenge.

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