Should something be done about traded Nazi gear in Canberra?

johnboy 3 February 2009 123

The Canberra Times has a piece on the roaring trade in Nazi memorabilia being done at the Canberra Antiques Centre in Fyshwick by one Virgo Lentzkow.

    “The Canberra Antiques Centre in Fyshwick hosts a collection of Third Reich memorabilia which includes Iron Cross badges, flags and swastika-emblazoned daggers…

    Mr Lentzkow, who owns the collection in the Fyshwick store, said Canberra had a large market for the items thanks to the presence of the Australian War Memorial.

    He has been selling the controversial antiques since a trip to Europe three years ago, and said the relative rarity of German war memorabilia increased its value.”

So should there be a law agin’ it?

My own view is that people should be free to buy and sell this stuff if that’s what they want to do, partly because it makes it easier to see them for what they are. But the Canberra Antiques Centre can forget about ever seeing a dollar of mine.

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Katietonia Katietonia 7:59 am 21 Dec 09

The fact that it is most likely all fake should be more concerning. I know a couple of old ladies that could hook you up with the real deal =P

Postalgeek Postalgeek 10:57 pm 20 Dec 09

Hey tomor2soli, there are a few school history books that mention Nazism. Maybe you should go and burn them in protest.

wishuwell wishuwell 9:01 pm 20 Dec 09

Something about post#118. Now where have I seen tomor2soli before?

georgesgenitals georgesgenitals 7:50 pm 20 Dec 09

Having had a look through this, I think I’m going to subscribe to the view that although I wouldn’t want any part of this Nazi stuff, there are some people who want to trade it, and frankly that’s not hurting the rest of us.

PBO PBO 7:28 pm 20 Dec 09

tomor2soli said :

Doug is a just a nasty piece of work. Yes well I went out there today Sunday 20th to Canberra Antiques Centre 37 Townsville St Fyshwick. And it’s all still there. I have the phone cams pics. When I asked the smiley Doug about the cabinet owned By All Time Treasures, he reached for the key, at the prospect of a sale. When I said I didnt want Nazi stuff, his face changed, he wasnt so smiley. He said a) we’ve been through this before b) well we keep it tucked away (as that makes it okm) c) it’s legal. I suggested that it’s about time it wasn’t legal and left. If you want give Doug your opinion, before I approach ACT MLAs and the Human Rights Commission, email on: ellavale@webone.com.au. Time’s up for your nasty Nazi “collectors items”.

OMFG, are you for real? Are you a shit-stirrer or just plain idiot? Are you then going to petition the War Memorial to burn all their “Collectors Items”? Yes what the Nazis did was wrong but that does not mean that we have to erase the past.

Plus, you are making Doug out to be a Nazi, which is defamation, he is only selling the stuff, not pushing diatribe. He has been through this before and it is legal for him to sell these items. If you want to imply that there is some sort of Nazi conspiracy here then cry to Mossad.

tomor2soli tomor2soli 3:29 pm 20 Dec 09

Doug is a just a nasty piece of work. Yes well I went out there today Sunday 20th to Canberra Antiques Centre 37 Townsville St Fyshwick. And it’s all still there. I have the phone cams pics. When I asked the smiley Doug about the cabinet owned By All Time Treasures, he reached for the key, at the prospect of a sale. When I said I didnt want Nazi stuff, his face changed, he wasnt so smiley. He said a) we’ve been through this before b) well we keep it tucked away (as that makes it okm) c) it’s legal. I suggested that it’s about time it wasn’t legal and left. If you want give Doug your opinion, before I approach ACT MLAs and the Human Rights Commission, email on: ellavale@webone.com.au. Time’s up for your nasty Nazi “collectors items”.

farnarkler farnarkler 10:49 pm 06 Aug 09

I wouldn’t have known about Mr Lentzkow’s shop if I hadn’t read this. Must go and have a look. Thanks Anita for mentioning it.

puppydoug puppydoug 9:25 pm 06 Aug 09

PBO said :

Roadrage77 said :

PBO said :

I personally think that this issue has been blown out of hand. I myself like to collect old Soviet era stuff, Does that make me a communist? I also collect old Nepalese ritual bone bits and pieces, does that make me a necrophile?

You must be a real hit at parties.

I usually am until I bring out the Nepalese human skull ashtray (totally weird but facinating at the same time, very collectable) That i bought at Gorman house markets.

But seriously, I would have to say that all that Mrs Shroot has achieved by informing the general populus that there is Nazi themed items is boost sales at the Fyshwick antiques store.

You’re right about that! By the way, my shop in Fyshwick in no way endorses the Nazi regime…it just sells bits of original (unless otherwise described) memorabilia, including Japanese, American, Viet, Soviet, Aussie, French, Boer and God knows what else.

bugmenot bugmenot 2:46 pm 21 Feb 09

Should communism memorabilia be banned as well?

No, because it’s just that, memorabilia..buying it does not automatically make you a nazi or a communist..

Stupid idea

Clown Killer Clown Killer 3:24 pm 05 Feb 09

Personally, I found the display of ugly patriotism over the Australia Day long weekend more disturbing than some dusty collection of old millitary trinkets.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 2:40 pm 05 Feb 09

There isn’t a tyranny taking place here, as far as I can see. The closest thing to a tyranny is probably you judging someone because of their historical interest, not for what they believe.

If someone actively believes in all of that Aryan pride BS, then they are a Nazi. That’s the only deciding factor.

johnboy johnboy 8:51 pm 04 Feb 09

The tyranny of the majority remains a tyranny.

youami youami 8:49 pm 04 Feb 09

Deadmandrinking said :

No innocents should have to die, ever.

The point is to separate historical fascination and subscription to archaic beliefs.

Yes, thanks deadmandrinking, I was just making the point to separate it. I don’t condone nor deny the horrors that Nazi Germany had imposed on Jews. But johnboy, you clearly have a very subjective view about anything to do with this topic and it has obviously clouded your judgement on the issue. That is your choice and I respect that. But if you were objective you would clearly be able to separate ‘historical fascination’ from any alleged or potential misuse and abuse of the memorabilia and that misuse and abuse leading to offending Jews et al. Being objective would allow you to consider that selling such memorabilia, especially at an antique fair, is not ever actually intended to do anything of the kind.

My analogies (pertaining to religion and ‘archaic beliefs’) were extreme and left field but constructed deliberately so as to demonstrate that you cannot simply isolate one view of potentially offending paraphernalia –Nazi memorabilia in this case. Let us be reasonable, take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Also, may I suggest you look at the votes and see the position of the majority of Canberra.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 7:03 pm 04 Feb 09

That’s not the point Johnboy. No innocents should have to die, ever.

The point is to separate historical fascination and subscription to archaic beliefs.

johnboy johnboy 6:50 pm 04 Feb 09

If you honestly think there’s an equivalence in any of those cases I feel very sorry for you.

youami youami 6:47 pm 04 Feb 09

johnboy, I don’t apologise about anything that was not my own doing. You must have confused some of my words. Do you read the Bible? If so you must be an apologist for killing ‘witches’ in the Spanish Inquisition. And tom-tom sums up my views perfectly.

Skidbladnir Skidbladnir 3:20 pm 04 Feb 09

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre is probably a better link, but I mentioned it as a place that some people would prefer to be forgotten, to the point it gets either no mention in terms of any significance, or gets glossed over entirely.
(as covered here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies#Junior_high_school_history_textbook.2C_2005)

300,000 civilian deaths in a six week period, at the hands of the military is not something that should be glossed over, especially not in State-approved textbooks, and reeks of nationalist revisionism.

p1 p1 2:39 pm 04 Feb 09

perhaps ….no worse than any other piece of historical nastiness…. might be to far, however there are plenty that were so bad as to be incomparable without statistical analysis of body counts, which would be a pretty harsh way of looking at it.

As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, I’m glad I didn’t live in Nanking in the late thirties.

tom-tom tom-tom 2:37 pm 04 Feb 09

i think this discussion has drifted somewhat.

first of all i dont think the act of collecting nazi memorabillia makes you a nazi sympathiser any more than collecting stamps makes you a postman. that particular judgement should come more from the actions and opinions of the collector than anything else. collecting nazi memorabillia because you are a ww2 buff and like collecting miltiary history is quite a different thing to collecting the memorabillia because you agree with ideology behind it and want to glorify it.

while i certainly wouldn’t buy any of it i think banning the sale of the stuff would be a mistake because, in my opinion, the worst thing we could do is forget what the nazi’s were and what they did and i think sweeping this stuff under the carpet where we dont have to see it and acknowledge it is just one step along that road.

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 2:22 pm 04 Feb 09

I think it’s putting it in historical perspective, personally. In no way does it justify what happened if somebody else did it too.

What it highlights is how we happily make films and celebrate the horrors committed by older regimes, yet we seem to want to hunt down any memory of a more recent horrific regime.

It’s essential that we separate historical fascination and support for the kind of thinking that led to the holocaust, or we’d be simply ostracizing anyone we think may be a Nazi instead of actually combating the ideology.

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