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Simon Crean calling for a spill. AND IT’S OFF

By johnboy 21 March 2013 118

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Simon Crean’s just on the tv right now calling for a spill and asking Kevin Rudd to stand as leader.

So there’s definitely a thing on now.

Where the numbers lie remains to be seen.

Remember that a change of leadership will probably bring on an election and certainly massive ministerial changes so all our public service friends need to have their briefs up to date.

UPDATE 21/03/13 13:47: thatsnotme had this to add:

Grabbed this screenshot from the ABC re the leadership spill Apparently the stakes are even higher than simply leadership of the ALP.

screenshot

UPDATE 21/03/13 14:02: Leadership vote just announced by the PM for 16:30 this afternoon.

UPDATE 21/03/13 14:26: No confidence motion underway which could get hairy. Meanwhile CanMeme has come up with this:

canmeme

Also the BBC has a good piece on leadership challenges in Australia:

After eight years as prime minister, Hawke himself was “rolled,” to use another Australianism (that politics here has its own vocabulary of leadership challenges is in itself instructive).

UPDATE 21/03/13 14:50: No Confidence motion kept off the floor but probably would have failed based on the voting on suspending standing orders.

UPDATE 21/03/13 16:17: It has been pointed out that if Rudd gets up and is forced into an early election the Canberra Liberals won’t have much time to figure out their senate preselection war.

UPDATE 21/03/13 16:20: Rudd says he won’t stand for the leadership.

UPDATE 21/03/13 16:46: It’s over and off. PM returned unanimously an unopposed.

UPDATE 21/03/13 17:09: One practical outcome is the ACT can now await a new Minister for Territories.

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LSWCHP 8:00 pm 25 Mar 13

I heard some deadpan comedy genius (whom I can’t credit unfortunately) on ABC New Radio this afternoon. He said that we had become used to political coups being organised by faceless men. Now it appears that with with a high profile guy like Crean having organised a coup with no challenger and no visible supporters, he has produced the first coup by a manless face. I swear I chortled all the way home. 🙂

2604 10:20 pm 24 Mar 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

My point was, you cannot use the line: well such and such has a degree so that means they are smart.

No-one ever made that argument.

The point is that someone who wins a scholarship to study at Oxford, and obtains a master’s degree from that university, clearly isn’t a “halfwit”.

chewy14 4:09 pm 24 Mar 13

JimCharles said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thumper said :

All you really need is wealth to get a degree

Sorry?

I was an ASOC4 with three kids and a wife at home not working while buying a house when I did my two degrees. Pretty much well below the poverty line. Oh, and I was working full time at the the time I was studying.

I’m sensing some I don’t have a degree envy….

Not my point at all. Of course there are loads of smart people with degrees. My point was, you cannot use the line: well such and such has a degree so that means they are smart.

And also…if you have wealth already, it’s a darn sight easier to get a degree when you don’t have to go out and work at the same time, or support a family.
If everybody had the same opportunity, a lot more people would have degrees and they wouldn’t be used as an example of how one person is better than another.

Yeah its also easier to get a degree if you’re smarter than other people or have a better work ethic. If only the lazy and unintelligent had the same opportunities huh?

In this country everyone has an opportunity to get a government subsidised tertiary education which they only have to pay anything towards once they start earning an income.

If you want a degree and are smart and dedicated enough then you can get one. If you choose or prioritise other things then that’s your own decision.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 3:25 pm 24 Mar 13

JimCharles said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thumper said :

All you really need is wealth to get a degree

Sorry?

I was an ASOC4 with three kids and a wife at home not working while buying a house when I did my two degrees. Pretty much well below the poverty line. Oh, and I was working full time at the the time I was studying.

I’m sensing some I don’t have a degree envy….

Not my point at all. Of course there are loads of smart people with degrees. My point was, you cannot use the line: well such and such has a degree so that means they are smart.

And also…if you have wealth already, it’s a darn sight easier to get a degree when you don’t have to go out and work at the same time, or support a family.
If everybody had the same opportunity, a lot more people would have degrees and they wouldn’t be used as an example of how one person is better than another.

Exactly the point I was getting at. I apologise for being unclear.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 3:23 pm 24 Mar 13

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

2604 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

All I do is deal in facts.

Having a halfwit bigot whose only concern is pleasing his magic sky fairy, in charge of the elected party running the country is incredibly frightening to me.

Actually all you do is name-call.

I also note that your “halfwit bigot” has a master’s degree from Oxford. Do you?

Nope, nor do I believe in a magical being who created everything and sent a zombie man to save us.
All you really need is wealth to get a degree but it takes a certain type of special to not put science first.

Can you show me where I name called anyone?

When you called a clearly intelligent individual a ‘halfwit’. Or perhaps it was the ‘bigot’ part? But all these are verified facts right and not simply your opinion right?

Maybe a bit of that book learnin is in order.

As I already said 3553355 times, I only deal in facts. If its my opinion I will say at the start or end of the post IMO.

JimCharles 2:31 pm 24 Mar 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Thumper said :

All you really need is wealth to get a degree

Sorry?

I was an ASOC4 with three kids and a wife at home not working while buying a house when I did my two degrees. Pretty much well below the poverty line. Oh, and I was working full time at the the time I was studying.

I’m sensing some I don’t have a degree envy….

Not my point at all. Of course there are loads of smart people with degrees. My point was, you cannot use the line: well such and such has a degree so that means they are smart.

And also…if you have wealth already, it’s a darn sight easier to get a degree when you don’t have to go out and work at the same time, or support a family.
If everybody had the same opportunity, a lot more people would have degrees and they wouldn’t be used as an example of how one person is better than another.

tuco 12:53 pm 24 Mar 13

milkman said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Can you show me where I name called anyone?

Post 93.

Please ask for a screenshot. Please ask for a screenshot. Please ask for a screenshot.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 11:08 am 24 Mar 13

2604 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Nope, nor do I believe in a magical being who created everything and sent a zombie man to save us.
All you really need is wealth to get a degree but it takes a certain type of special to not put science first.

You do know that beliefs and scientifically proven facts aren’t actually the same thing, don’t you? However, if you have “facts” or “science” which prove that God doesn’t exist, I’d love to hear the details.

As for “all you need is wealth to get a degree” from Oxford…sounds like a scientifically provable case of sour grapes to me. Besides, Abbott was a Rhodes scholar.

Science doesn’t really work that way either. The one making the outlandish claims need to provide evidence.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 11:06 am 24 Mar 13

Thumper said :

All you really need is wealth to get a degree

Sorry?

I was an ASOC4 with three kids and a wife at home not working while buying a house when I did my two degrees. Pretty much well below the poverty line. Oh, and I was working full time at the the time I was studying.

I’m sensing some I don’t have a degree envy….

Not my point at all. Of course there are loads of smart people with degrees. My point was, you cannot use the line: well such and such has a degree so that means they are smart.

2604 12:07 am 24 Mar 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Nope, nor do I believe in a magical being who created everything and sent a zombie man to save us.
All you really need is wealth to get a degree but it takes a certain type of special to not put science first.

You do know that beliefs and scientifically proven facts aren’t actually the same thing, don’t you? However, if you have “facts” or “science” which prove that God doesn’t exist, I’d love to hear the details.

As for “all you need is wealth to get a degree” from Oxford…sounds like a scientifically provable case of sour grapes to me. Besides, Abbott was a Rhodes scholar.

Thumper 10:51 pm 23 Mar 13

All you really need is wealth to get a degree

Sorry?

I was an ASOC4 with three kids and a wife at home not working while buying a house when I did my two degrees. Pretty much well below the poverty line. Oh, and I was working full time at the the time I was studying.

I’m sensing some I don’t have a degree envy….

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