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Sky god worshippers unite against gay marriage

By johnboy 21 October 2013 151

The Australian Christian Lobby has rounded up a new “Abrahamic Faith Leaders” grouping to all agree that we have to live our lives the way they tell us to:

Seventy percent of Australians identify with an Abrahamic religion – Christianity, Islam and Judaism. As leaders of several of these faith traditions, we have gathered to share our concerns about the ACT Government’s proposed same sex marriage legislation. We are concerned for the long-term risks of such a Bill for our society.

While affirming the inherent dignity of all human beings, our faith traditions also affirm the traditional concept of marriage between a man and a woman as being for the good of the individual, the family and society.

We invite the wider community to join with us in calling for the Bill to be subject to community consultation through the normal Legislative Assembly Committee process.

Imam Adama Konda, Canberra Islamic Centre
Arnold Cummins, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Pastor Sean Stanton, Australian Christian Churches, Canberra
Bishop Trevor Edwards, Anglican Diocese of Canberra and Goulburn
Pastor BJ Hayes, Canberra National Adventist Church
Monsignor John Woods, Catholic Archdiocese of Canberra and Goulburn
Rabbi Shmuel Feldman, Rabbi for Canberra and Region.


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PBO 8:58 am 07 Nov 13

neanderthalsis said :

Jesus was essentially a bloke who said we should all try being nice to each other. He hung around prostitutes and tax collectors, worked to help the poor and the sick and was nailed to a lump of wood for his efforts (modern day equivalent would be probably be dealers, users, crims, etc, so Jesus was a bit of a trailblazer in the social work field). He taught tolerance, not narrow minded bigotry.
Many who oppose gay marriage on religious grounds are the type whose bible studies never made it beyond Leviticus and Genesis 25 and just use religion as a cover for their bigotry.

I am sure that during all that wandering around with 12 blokes and a loose chick, some questionable activity must have happened or Mary would have had a problems walking everywhere. I dont see what the issue would have been, afterwards when they all shoot guilty “What have I done?” looks at eachother, they could just turn to Jesus and ask for forgivness. Jesus would have had to forgive them or turn the other cheek to risk a pun, otherwise he himself would be a hypocrite.

The bible has been edited to the point that if you compare one from even 250 years ago to one today you will find some glaringly noticible differences (Other books you have not heard of with different endings, un-as-edited Old Testament stuff, the parable of the 9 apostles doing the reach-a-round train while 3 looked on and the psalm about Jesus doing the walk of shame after a big night on the water, etc etc.)

If we can get past the idea that Jesus was less of a bearded young Clint Eastwood looking, western dude and accept he probably looked more like Bin Laden than we would be comfortable with, then we might be able to make religions, even the silly ones like Judaism, Down Syndrome and Scientology, work for everyone.

I propose a rewrite of the worlds major religious doctrines and make them a bit more edgy. Like how the Christian Bale Batman is better than the Adam West Batman.

So shall I say it?

ok

Quicky, To the God Poles!

Darkfalz 1:43 am 07 Nov 13

Dilandach said :

If there really was a Jesus and he was around today, I’d bet he’d be ashamed what is done in his name.

Oh you bet. If Jesus was alive today, he’d be a leather daddy marching in the Mardi Gras showing off his glistening muscles and bulging package for all to see.

That stuff he said about marriage, leaving your parents and cleaving to your wife? He was just kidding, he meant go out and get blown in a toilet cubicle glory hole by a hot sweaty stranger.

Jim Jones said :

My favourite Christians are the ones like Darkfalz

Er, I am not a Christian. I have said on many occasions I hold no religious beliefs and have never used religion in this debate. That doesn’t mean I won’t defend their right to an opinion or against blatant, deliberate mis-charactisation.

neanderthalsis 3:35 pm 06 Nov 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Dilandach said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

Jim Jones said :

One of the key concepts of Christianity appears to be telling people that they can’t do things ‘because God said so’.

I like how you make stuff up to try to make your point. Shame it doesn’t work.

Christians, especially evangelicals are some of the most horrid human beings. They’re ‘Sunday Christians’. Help the poor? No way, they’ll have a reliance on handouts. Help the sick? No chance, that’s their personal responsibility.

If there really was a Jesus and he was around today, I’d bet he’d be ashamed what is done in his name.

Mostly correct.

I know some Christians who do, in fact, do good works and help others out, but they aren’t typically the ones getting involved in lobby groups or making lots of noise about themselves.

largely correct. Jesus was essentially a bloke who said we should all try being nice to each other. He hung around prostitutes and tax collectors, worked to help the poor and the sick and was nailed to a lump of wood for his efforts (modern day equivalent would be probably be dealers, users, crims, etc, so Jesus was a bit of a trailblazer in the social work field). He taught tolerance, not narrow minded bigotry.
Many who oppose gay marriage on religious grounds are the type whose bible studies never made it beyond Leviticus and Genesis 25 and just use religion as a cover for their bigotry.

Jim Jones 1:48 pm 06 Nov 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Dilandach said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

Jim Jones said :

One of the key concepts of Christianity appears to be telling people that they can’t do things ‘because God said so’.

I like how you make stuff up to try to make your point. Shame it doesn’t work.

Christians, especially evangelicals are some of the most horrid human beings. They’re ‘Sunday Christians’. Help the poor? No way, they’ll have a reliance on handouts. Help the sick? No chance, that’s their personal responsibility.

If there really was a Jesus and he was around today, I’d bet he’d be ashamed what is done in his name.

Mostly correct.

I know some Christians who do, in fact, do good works and help others out, but they aren’t typically the ones getting involved in lobby groups or making lots of noise about themselves.

My favourite Christians are the ones like Darkfalz: bitter bigots from a bygone age who desperately wish that the communist lefties and the sexual deviants and muslims and hindoos and all those suspicious looking darkies would just bugger off and stop ruining the country for all the normal people (you know, white people with wives and children and full-time jobs and who drink VB and not this limp-wristed sissy crap that they’re all on now and the kids are all on DRUGS now because the teachers are all lefty scum that teach kids to be lazy and gay and take drugs not like my day when you’d get six of the best for talking back, that’s what they need now DISCIPLINE. They need a good war to sort them out.)

They make me laugh.

thebrownstreak69 12:43 pm 06 Nov 13

Dilandach said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

Jim Jones said :

One of the key concepts of Christianity appears to be telling people that they can’t do things ‘because God said so’.

I like how you make stuff up to try to make your point. Shame it doesn’t work.

Christians, especially evangelicals are some of the most horrid human beings. They’re ‘Sunday Christians’. Help the poor? No way, they’ll have a reliance on handouts. Help the sick? No chance, that’s their personal responsibility.

If there really was a Jesus and he was around today, I’d bet he’d be ashamed what is done in his name.

Mostly correct.

I know some Christians who do, in fact, do good works and help others out, but they aren’t typically the ones getting involved in lobby groups or making lots of noise about themselves.

Dilandach 12:09 pm 06 Nov 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Jim Jones said :

One of the key concepts of Christianity appears to be telling people that they can’t do things ‘because God said so’.

I like how you make stuff up to try to make your point. Shame it doesn’t work.

Christians, especially evangelicals are some of the most horrid human beings. They’re ‘Sunday Christians’. Help the poor? No way, they’ll have a reliance on handouts. Help the sick? No chance, that’s their personal responsibility.

If there really was a Jesus and he was around today, I’d bet he’d be ashamed what is done in his name.

Jim Jones 11:37 am 06 Nov 13

Waa waa … the christians are all picking on me … whatever will I do?

Maybe I’ll go gay marry one of them as revenge!!!

thebrownstreak69 11:26 am 06 Nov 13

Jim Jones said :

thebrownstreak69 said :

Darkfalz said :

fabforty said :

People have been interpreting (or misinterpreting) religious writings to suit their own means and support their own prejudices for centuries.

What happened to Christianity being about loving your fellow man and being tolerant and kind ?

You misunderstand this basic precept of Christianity. Love the sinner does not mean loving (or tolerating) the sin. You are not meant to condone murdering, raping and stealing just because it’s human beings doing those things and you’re supposed to love those humans.

Insisting people not only “tolerate”, but keep utterly quiet when you want to promote and normalise lifestyle choices which most people wouldn’t want their children to follow is a form of fascism.

Separating the action from the actor is one of the key concepts in Christianity, and one which many people fail to grasp.

One of the key concepts of Christianity appears to be telling people that they can’t do things ‘because God said so’.

I got some news for you, sunshine. Your god hasn’t been seen around these parts for a couple of thousand years. The last time he was here we nailed him to a couple of bits of wood and sent him on his way.

I like how you make stuff up to try to make your point. Shame it doesn’t work.

Jim Jones 10:38 am 06 Nov 13

Robertson said :

Jim Jones said :

I got some news for you, sunshine. Your god hasn’t been seen around these parts for a couple of thousand years. The last time he was here we nailed him to a couple of bits of wood and sent him on his way.

By that “we”, are you claiming to be a Roman, or a Sephardic Jew?

Or was that just another of your characteristically senseless posts?

Come at me, Christian!

Robertson 10:24 am 06 Nov 13

Jim Jones said :

I got some news for you, sunshine. Your god hasn’t been seen around these parts for a couple of thousand years. The last time he was here we nailed him to a couple of bits of wood and sent him on his way.

By that “we”, are you claiming to be a Roman, or a Sephardic Jew?

Or was that just another of your characteristically senseless posts?

Jim Jones 9:59 am 06 Nov 13

thebrownstreak69 said :

Darkfalz said :

fabforty said :

People have been interpreting (or misinterpreting) religious writings to suit their own means and support their own prejudices for centuries.

What happened to Christianity being about loving your fellow man and being tolerant and kind ?

You misunderstand this basic precept of Christianity. Love the sinner does not mean loving (or tolerating) the sin. You are not meant to condone murdering, raping and stealing just because it’s human beings doing those things and you’re supposed to love those humans.

Insisting people not only “tolerate”, but keep utterly quiet when you want to promote and normalise lifestyle choices which most people wouldn’t want their children to follow is a form of fascism.

Separating the action from the actor is one of the key concepts in Christianity, and one which many people fail to grasp.

One of the key concepts of Christianity appears to be telling people that they can’t do things ‘because God said so’.

I got some news for you, sunshine. Your god hasn’t been seen around these parts for a couple of thousand years. The last time he was here we nailed him to a couple of bits of wood and sent him on his way.

watto23 9:41 am 06 Nov 13

Darkfalz said :

Odd the gay lobby is deathly afraid of a referendum then? I suspect a majority of these “supporters” are no such thing, they’re people who are tried of being harangued or hearing about it and have taken the attitude “fine, as long as you shut up”. I suspect in a polling booth alone with their conscience, most would still vote no. This is the reason it’s being pushed so hard based on an illusion of public sentiment, rather than actually testing that sentiment.

The left’s agenda on most things is widely promulgated in schools, even religious ones. It’s not a surprise then that a lot of young adults come out of years of brainwashing believing and voting down the GreensLabor worldview. This same demographic is obviously the most vocal on such issues, especially online, where a lot of this bullshit “polling” comes from.

A decade or two of paying tax, living in the real world and having families tends to draw them back towards the centre and in many cases, to the right. Their opinions on many of these things change. It’s a fairly stable flux. The vast majority of the planet is still on the supposed “wrong side of history” here. There’s no tidal wave of gay marriage support and legalisation globally. It’s still just a handful of planets. Weather the storm and this silly social fad will likely pass.[/quote>

Well seriously if the Catholics and other religious groups stop being selfish a***holes, it wouldn’t be a problem. Again, there is absolutely no valid reason why gay marriage should not be allowed. All the reasons involve a minority of religious people who are anti gay in the first place making up scare tactics.

The majority of Australians are sick of small minority religious based groups trying to tell us how to run our lives. Be very careful because one day, there may be a law that discriminates against you and then you can see how it feels.

Stop being selfish and uninformed about the world.

BimboGeek 9:34 am 06 Nov 13

I don’t think Abrahamic religions have completely abandoned ths “mountain god” concept really. Certain mountains are more sacred than others but the prophet or leader is always finding god at the top of the nearest mountain.

Which leads to an even more disturbing thought… Maybe the witches of Mt Ainslie are trying to get ecumenical.

thebrownstreak69 9:01 am 06 Nov 13

Darkfalz said :

fabforty said :

People have been interpreting (or misinterpreting) religious writings to suit their own means and support their own prejudices for centuries.

What happened to Christianity being about loving your fellow man and being tolerant and kind ?

You misunderstand this basic precept of Christianity. Love the sinner does not mean loving (or tolerating) the sin. You are not meant to condone murdering, raping and stealing just because it’s human beings doing those things and you’re supposed to love those humans.

Insisting people not only “tolerate”, but keep utterly quiet when you want to promote and normalise lifestyle choices which most people wouldn’t want their children to follow is a form of fascism.

Separating the action from the actor is one of the key concepts in Christianity, and one which many people fail to grasp.

neanderthalsis 8:49 am 06 Nov 13

Darkfalz said :

Insisting people not only “tolerate”, but keep utterly quiet when you want to promote and normalise lifestyle choices which most people wouldn’t want their children to follow is a form of fascism.

Supporting the majority of the populace in removing a barrier that prevents two people living like most of the rest of us do is a form a fascism? Well I’ll be buggered…

Jim Jones 8:49 am 06 Nov 13

Darkfalz said :

All the polls are wrong … it’s a leftist conspiracy … gays are sinners … schoolteachers are brainwashing children … this whole thing is a fad

Ah … nope.

Thanks for providing some amusement though. It’s always entertaining to hear the uncomprehending yelling of a dinosaur.

Darkfalz 11:34 pm 05 Nov 13

Ghettosmurf87 said :

That’s the whole point, a majority of the populace support gay marriage, however it’s not the deal-breaker, the economy is.

It doesn’t change the fact that the majority still support gay-marriage.

Odd the gay lobby is deathly afraid of a referendum then? I suspect a majority of these “supporters” are no such thing, they’re people who are tried of being harangued or hearing about it and have taken the attitude “fine, as long as you shut up”. I suspect in a polling booth alone with their conscience, most would still vote no. This is the reason it’s being pushed so hard based on an illusion of public sentiment, rather than actually testing that sentiment.

The left’s agenda on most things is widely promulgated in schools, even religious ones. It’s not a surprise then that a lot of young adults come out of years of brainwashing believing and voting down the GreensLabor worldview. This same demographic is obviously the most vocal on such issues, especially online, where a lot of this bullshit “polling” comes from.

A decade or two of paying tax, living in the real world and having families tends to draw them back towards the centre and in many cases, to the right. Their opinions on many of these things change. It’s a fairly stable flux. The vast majority of the planet is still on the supposed “wrong side of history” here. There’s no tidal wave of gay marriage support and legalisation globally. It’s still just a handful of planets. Weather the storm and this silly social fad will likely pass.

Darkfalz 11:22 pm 05 Nov 13

fabforty said :

People have been interpreting (or misinterpreting) religious writings to suit their own means and support their own prejudices for centuries.

What happened to Christianity being about loving your fellow man and being tolerant and kind ?

You misunderstand this basic precept of Christianity. Love the sinner does not mean loving (or tolerating) the sin. You are not meant to condone murdering, raping and stealing just because it’s human beings doing those things and you’re supposed to love those humans.

Insisting people not only “tolerate”, but keep utterly quiet when you want to promote and normalise lifestyle choices which most people wouldn’t want their children to follow is a form of fascism.

Woody Mann-Caruso 8:15 pm 01 Nov 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

something

Didn’t you say you were leaving and never coming back? Or has it been three days already? Is this even your final form?

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