‘Snow big deal until I actually see it!

Marcus Paul 13 July 2015 43

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It’s been more than a decade since Canberra’s last decent snowfall. But while experts say there’s a good chance of snow this weekend, Marcus Paul isn’t holding his breath.

May 28 back in the year 2000. This, apparently, was the last time Canberrans got a little snow crazy.

Yeah, we’ve been excited by the prospect of some local natural snowfalls most winters… and I swear I’ve been sleeted on more than once in Civic, but they tell me this time, it’s the real deal. Perhaps not the 10cm real deal of powdery white snow our suburbs saw back in 2000 – but it could go close.

My mates at Weatherzone tell me it will feel something like minus five on Sunday – all courtesy of this so called Antarctic ‘vortex’ they’re talking about. Some forecasters have even said our weather might be ‘feral’ in the latter part of the weekend. Feral? What is this meant to mean? Is this some new meteorological term for maybe it might snow, but then again it may not?

I am a little tired of being teased. Each winter I make the trip into the Brindy’s to see how Corin Forest is shaping up. Most often it resembles a winter wonderland of both natural and man-made snow, with kids and oldies alike squealing with delight.

However, it seems someone at Perisher Resort discovered this secret, decided to form a partnership and whack us all with a charge to pay. Bad form in my view, but it probably has something to do with grand plans to build this once free winter tourist spot into something much more, with new snow machines and possibly even some ski areas. I guess they need to pay for it all somehow – and selling hot soup and coffees in the cafe on site just wasn’t cutting it. I do love the open fire place though.

So. Whoever you weather gods might be, please don’t let me down (again). Pay attention … they are now even putting up lots of colourful pictures and graphs of exactly how much snow is expected to fall from this so called Arctic gift!

5cm would be more than adequate. I just don’t want to freeze my butt off without some kind of pay off! As the song says … let it snow.

Marcus Paul is the host of Canberra Live 3pm weekdays on 2CC.


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Dame Canberra Dame Canberra 2:12 pm 10 Jul 15

I’m with you, Marcus. This weather is too miserable to endure without the prospect of snow. Fingers crossed!

Rollersk8r Rollersk8r 2:42 pm 10 Jul 15

Never ever happens when they predict it (come on, snow, I dare you!). Plus, a couple of days ago, there was nothing above 8 degrees forecast for next week, which has all changed now. Similar to how they regularly predict 40 in summer, 5 days in advance, which never happens…

Although every year I get interstate colleagues asking how much snow we get in Canberra. Err, none.

wrigbe wrigbe 4:32 pm 10 Jul 15

I have become very superstitious about snow falls since I arrived in Canberra in 1990. I have found that irrespective of predictions, it only snows properly when my husband is out of town . Sure he has seen a few sleety days in Canberra but those really good ones (remember the football game in the snow) always occur when he is away – usually a long way away like Cairns.
I am encouraging him to consider a trip away as I write but alas he selfish wants to stay. He mumbles something about it not being fair that he never gets to see the snow. 🙂

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 7:44 pm 10 Jul 15

If it does snow, are they going to close all the roads like they do the Brindabella road every time it gets a little frosty up there? How would we get around, seeing we are incompetent at driving in anything more than a mild shower?

Antagonist Antagonist 11:57 pm 10 Jul 15

“Feral? What is this meant to mean? Is this some new meteorological term for maybe it might snow, but then again it may not?”

If you have ever made a woman angry at any time in your life (like if you forget a birthday/anniversary) then you would know what ‘feral’ means. Dark … cold … angry … slow moving … and nothing in the world will change it. After 10 years of marriage I have seen ‘feral’ up close many times!

dungfungus dungfungus 9:01 am 11 Jul 15

The BOM online stats. indicated a temp. of around 6 degrees at Port Lincoln, SA at about 8.00am Saturday morning just as the cold front crossed the coast.
Temperatures at that place are normally double that so it appears this change has some grunt.
If I become a warmist, will the cold weather go away?

rubaiyat rubaiyat 5:25 pm 12 Jul 15

dungfungus said :

The BOM online stats. indicated a temp. of around 6 degrees at Port Lincoln, SA at about 8.00am Saturday morning just as the cold front crossed the coast.
Temperatures at that place are normally double that so it appears this change has some grunt.
If I become a warmist, will the cold weather go away?

No because it is weather, not climate.

A hard ask for Rupert’s Minions to follow.

Not even the coldest weather on record.

rubaiyat rubaiyat 5:45 pm 12 Jul 15

It reached 0°C in 1898, 1900 and 1920.

7.5°C in the middle of Winter in an Antarctic vortex in 2015 is not setting any records

Acton Acton 8:30 pm 12 Jul 15

With all their ready and factual data, if meterorologists can’t get their weather forecast right for the weekend, how can we trust climate scientists to get their predictions of future global warming right?
In the 1960s we were warned of global cooling, rather than global warming.
For the past million years or so warm periods have alternated with ice ages. This happens according to a fairly regular schedule: 90,000 years or so of cold followed by 10,000 years or so of warmth. And we have used up about 12,000 years of it already.
Apparently defying the climate scientists, solar scientists are now predicting a coming mini-ice age (and not one based on human activities):
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/mini-ice-age-coming-in-next-fifteen-years-new-model-of-the-suns-cycle-shows-10382400.html

So who and what to believe – global warming or an ice age?
No doubt the creativity of grant chasing climate scientists will allow their theories to accomodate factual inconsistencies.

rubaiyat rubaiyat 8:55 pm 12 Jul 15

Acton said :

With all their ready and factual data, if meterorologists can’t get their weather forecast right for the weekend, how can we trust climate scientists to get their predictions of future global warming right?
In the 1960s we were warned of global cooling, rather than global warming.
For the past million years or so warm periods have alternated with ice ages. This happens according to a fairly regular schedule: 90,000 years or so of cold followed by 10,000 years or so of warmth. And we have used up about 12,000 years of it already.
Apparently defying the climate scientists, solar scientists are now predicting a coming mini-ice age (and not one based on human activities):
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/mini-ice-age-coming-in-next-fifteen-years-new-model-of-the-suns-cycle-shows-10382400.html

So who and what to believe – global warming or an ice age?
No doubt the creativity of grant chasing climate scientists will allow their theories to accomodate factual inconsistencies.

One thing I and the climate scientists can predict with absolute certainty is at the first mention of weather/climate up spring the ex smoking/asbestos/car safety/oil/coal industry shills with the usual load of cobblers repeated ad nauseum from Rupert’s rags or Aliar Jones’ “research”, aka Comments for Hire, from some 70’s Frederick Forsyth paperback.

From long battling these paid misinformationists or their dupes, you know that none of it ever is backed up with any genuine double checked science and every time you expose the fraud they just make up something else.

If only we could get the Health Inspectors onto this outbreak of online diarrhoea.

rubaiyat rubaiyat 9:37 pm 12 Jul 15

Acton said :

With all their ready and factual data, if meterorologists can’t get their weather forecast right for the weekend, how can we trust climate scientists to get their predictions of future global warming right?

It is the same deal as casinos can’t pick individual winners or losers, but given enough time and samples they can build their business on they win and the thousands who pass through their doors collectively lose.

Or despite the constant ups and downs of waves, ships captains bring their ships safely into port based on tide tables.

Or Insurance companies don’t know when you will die but when the population as a whole will meet their maker.

Despite these principals are easy enough, you don’t seem unable to work out the differences, and jump at the only (usually misquoted or misinterpreted) example that agrees with your prejudices and therefore is “true” whilst the thousands upon thousands of double and triple checked research results are all “faked”.

btw You do know that that article, from the usual ignorant reporters, talks about a supposed 60% reduction in solar flares which has little to no relationship to Solar radiation on the Earth. If it did all life on Earth would be totally doomed, not start an Ice Age.

dungfungus dungfungus 10:19 pm 12 Jul 15

rubaiyat said :

dungfungus said :

The BOM online stats. indicated a temp. of around 6 degrees at Port Lincoln, SA at about 8.00am Saturday morning just as the cold front crossed the coast.
Temperatures at that place are normally double that so it appears this change has some grunt.
If I become a warmist, will the cold weather go away?

No because it is weather, not climate.

A hard ask for Rupert’s Minions to follow.

Not even the coldest weather on record.

So, weather has no relation to the climate?

I know Rupert is enviable and powerful but I don’t think he can control the climate.

Did I say anything about the coldest weather on record?

dungfungus dungfungus 10:21 pm 12 Jul 15

Acton said :

With all their ready and factual data, if meterorologists can’t get their weather forecast right for the weekend, how can we trust climate scientists to get their predictions of future global warming right?
In the 1960s we were warned of global cooling, rather than global warming.
For the past million years or so warm periods have alternated with ice ages. This happens according to a fairly regular schedule: 90,000 years or so of cold followed by 10,000 years or so of warmth. And we have used up about 12,000 years of it already.
Apparently defying the climate scientists, solar scientists are now predicting a coming mini-ice age (and not one based on human activities):
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/mini-ice-age-coming-in-next-fifteen-years-new-model-of-the-suns-cycle-shows-10382400.html

So who and what to believe – global warming or an ice age?
No doubt the creativity of grant chasing climate scientists will allow their theories to accomodate factual inconsistencies.

The climate change industry will bend whatever way the wind is blowing to keep getting funded.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 6:44 am 13 Jul 15

Well, that was a big disappointment. Temperatures didn’t even get below 0 for the weekend, no white stuff on the Brindabellas and what happened to the expected 90km/h winds? All the hype about a “winter vortex” fizzled into a spring thunderstorm for Canberra and actually warmed up the place in comparison to the last few weeks.
I agree, if they can’t even go close to predicting an event like this, how can they see hundreds of years into the future and say with any certainty what the air temperature is going to be?

rubaiyat rubaiyat 9:00 am 13 Jul 15

dungfungus said :

rubaiyat said :

dungfungus said :

The BOM online stats. indicated a temp. of around 6 degrees at Port Lincoln, SA at about 8.00am Saturday morning just as the cold front crossed the coast.
Temperatures at that place are normally double that so it appears this change has some grunt.
If I become a warmist, will the cold weather go away?

No because it is weather, not climate.

A hard ask for Rupert’s Minions to follow.

Not even the coldest weather on record.

So, weather has no relation to the climate?

I know Rupert is enviable and powerful but I don’t think he can control the climate.

Did I say anything about the coldest weather on record?

You said that the “Temperatures at that place are normally double that” (when? relative to what?) in some fallacious argument that this cold spell is significant to your head in the sand view of global warming. As if global warming means there will never be a cold winter again.

Rupert certainly can’t control climate, he is just doing an old man’s King Canute, but he can control other befuddled old men and some of the most ignorant and vindictive politicians this country has ever seen.

dungfungus dungfungus 9:07 am 13 Jul 15

wildturkeycanoe said :

Well, that was a big disappointment. Temperatures didn’t even get below 0 for the weekend, no white stuff on the Brindabellas and what happened to the expected 90km/h winds? All the hype about a “winter vortex” fizzled into a spring thunderstorm for Canberra and actually warmed up the place in comparison to the last few weeks.
I agree, if they can’t even go close to predicting an event like this, how can they see hundreds of years into the future and say with any certainty what the air temperature is going to be?

You must be looking at a different range of mountains as Mt Franklin had the most extensive covering of snow I have seen for many years when I checked it yesterday.
I am going to walk up Mt Wanniassa this morning and I’ll take a photo and if I can work out how to post it, I will.
There was more snow last night and it can still be seen on the hills near Burra.

Maya123 Maya123 9:52 am 13 Jul 15

I had my fill of snow recently driving in Iceland. Snow and ice covered roads in snowing condition, strong winds blowing the snow across the roads and top daytime temperatures of minus five and seven. I soon got over wanting this. My little rental Chevrolet Spark came into one town groaning with the build up of ice underneath. The hard ice was scrapping the ground and wheels when I turned them, causing the noisy. Took me days to remove all the ice in those temperatures and I only succeeded when I left the minus temperature area. Winter tyres of course, or I wouldn’t have got through. Despite them, on one very windy, snowy, icy hilltop I suddenly found myself sliding sideways towards a snow bank. I was lucky to be able to steer myself out of that one. That fright slowed me down. Low visibility. I had never driven in conditions like that before, but to people who live there, that is normal. No, I didn’t miss missing out on snowy roads yesterday without having winter tyres. Pretty though.

Southmouth Southmouth 10:55 am 13 Jul 15

I can see Mt Campbell from my back door. I looks like snow down to about 1000m. There was more in the event several weeks ago. If i produced the accuracy of BOM professionally, i’d be long unemployed.

Jardeath Jardeath 11:15 am 13 Jul 15

Acton said :

With all their ready and factual data, if meterorologists can’t get their weather forecast right for the weekend, how can we trust climate scientists to get their predictions of future global warming right?

I don’t recall any mention of snow on bom.gov.au for the Canberra area over the weekend.

bikhet bikhet 11:22 am 13 Jul 15

From my living room in Wanniassa I can see snow on the hills away to the SSE. I’d get my sighting compass and a map and figure out just what I’m looking at, but I can’t be bothered. Took some photos of the same view from my deck this morning. The snow on the closer hills I photographed has mostly gone now, but still lots on the more distant ones.

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