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South Tralee goes ahead

johnboy 6 November 2012 127

The Village Building Company is celebrating victory in their long march to build a ghetto under the flight path of Canberra Airport across the border in NSW, which in turn is likely to shift the flight paths over Canberra.

“Home ownership is everyone’s dream. Queanbeyan has been starved of well-located affordable housing for seven years. This decision means that young families looking to buy their first home near Jerrabomberra can now get into the housing market. The rezoning of Tralee will restore jobs, growth and opportunity to the families and businesses of Jerrabomberra and Queanbeyan” Mr Winnel said.

South Tralee has been rezoned by the NSW Minister for Planning as the first stage of Queanbeyan City Council’s plan to develop houses and community facilities in the South Jerrabomberra region.

“The rezoning has only been achieved through the commitment and tenacity of the Member for Monaro John Barilaro. The project has also achieved strong support from Queanbeyan Council’s Mayor Tim Overall, all nine other Councillors, the Jerrabomberra Residents Association, the Queanbeyan Business Council and sporting clubs and community groups throughout Queanbeyan.

They’ve also produced a lovely fact sheet.


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watto23 watto23 9:46 am 09 Nov 12

milkman said :

Gungahlin Al said :

HenryBG said :

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.

This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

WTF impact does a gaol nowhere near Jerrabomberra have on anybody? That’s got to be the stupidest complaint ever.

In case you missed it – the ACT isn’t objecting to any development on account of the impact it will have on the ACT, we’re pointing out the short-sighted stupidity of developing land that will be subject to aircraft noise.

Dammit Henry stop it! That’s 3 times now. If I start agreeing with MrGillespie, someone just shoot me OK?

You do see the point I’m making, though… right? The ACT hasn’t cared one iota about its neighbour, but expects NSW to consider how their decisions might impact Canberrans…

Not caring about Queanbeyan is a harse call to be honest. I mean both governments have worked to improve the bottlenecks out of jerrabomberra for a start.

Also the jail really is a case of nimbyism. So far how has the jail affected the residents of Jerrabomberra? I’d argue it affected users of the Monaro Hwy more because the speed limit got lowereed for an extra km or so and thats not really a big issue.

Also how much money from Canberra actually pours into the Queanbeyan economy? You can complain about the slowness of the ACT government to release land etc. And the fact that across the border they seem to have less of an issue.

milkman milkman 7:32 am 09 Nov 12

Gungahlin Al said :

HenryBG said :

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.

This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

WTF impact does a gaol nowhere near Jerrabomberra have on anybody? That’s got to be the stupidest complaint ever.

In case you missed it – the ACT isn’t objecting to any development on account of the impact it will have on the ACT, we’re pointing out the short-sighted stupidity of developing land that will be subject to aircraft noise.

Dammit Henry stop it! That’s 3 times now. If I start agreeing with MrGillespie, someone just shoot me OK?

You do see the point I’m making, though… right? The ACT hasn’t cared one iota about its neighbour, but expects NSW to consider how their decisions might impact Canberrans…

HenryBG HenryBG 5:35 am 09 Nov 12

milkman said :

HenryBG said :

milkman said :

HenryBG said :

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.

This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

WTF impact does a gaol nowhere near Jerrabomberra have on anybody? That’s got to be the stupidest complaint ever.

In case you missed it – the ACT isn’t objecting to any development on account of the impact it will have on the ACT, we’re pointing out the short-sighted stupidity of developing land that will be subject to aircraft noise.

This post illustrates exactly why NSW doesn’t care. If you trivialise the concerns of your neighbours (ie with the gaol and new industrial estate) then you can expect your neighbours to trivialise your concerns in return. Queanbeyan isn’t worried about noise – it can be shared with Canberra.

This post illustrates exactly why Canberrans show such contempt for the intellectual capabilities of Quangerites.

No, it illustrates how self-focussed people like you are. You are the NIMBY queen.

You obviously have utterly failed to grasp this issue. It is very much about *not* being self-focussed like the Jerrabombers with their spurious complaints about Hume, but rather it’s about looking at a bigger picture, taking a long-term view and hoping for some sensible oversight of planning decisions for the benefit of all the residents of the region.

what_the what_the 12:56 am 09 Nov 12

It’s pretty ironic that the raceway that used to exist there, which was closed largely due to noise complaints from a housing development created next to a raceway, will be replaced by a housing development sure to make noise complaints.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 10:28 pm 08 Nov 12

HenryBG said :

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.

This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

WTF impact does a gaol nowhere near Jerrabomberra have on anybody? That’s got to be the stupidest complaint ever.

In case you missed it – the ACT isn’t objecting to any development on account of the impact it will have on the ACT, we’re pointing out the short-sighted stupidity of developing land that will be subject to aircraft noise.

Dammit Henry stop it! That’s 3 times now. If I start agreeing with MrGillespie, someone just shoot me OK?

milkman milkman 9:48 pm 08 Nov 12

HenryBG said :

milkman said :

HenryBG said :

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.

This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

WTF impact does a gaol nowhere near Jerrabomberra have on anybody? That’s got to be the stupidest complaint ever.

In case you missed it – the ACT isn’t objecting to any development on account of the impact it will have on the ACT, we’re pointing out the short-sighted stupidity of developing land that will be subject to aircraft noise.

This post illustrates exactly why NSW doesn’t care. If you trivialise the concerns of your neighbours (ie with the gaol and new industrial estate) then you can expect your neighbours to trivialise your concerns in return. Queanbeyan isn’t worried about noise – it can be shared with Canberra.

This post illustrates exactly why Canberrans show such contempt for the intellectual capabilities of Quangerites.

No, it illustrates how self-focussed people like you are. You are the NIMBY queen.

pirate_taco pirate_taco 8:38 pm 08 Nov 12

I think the Tralee development is a terrible idea, and that they should have got the hint 10 years ago when it was first knocked back.

Besides the being near a flight path that could potentially become busier and take bigger planes in the future, there is also the fact that it will be poorly served.
No buses, no police, no fire station, no shops and plonked behind an industrial zone
Jerrabomberra residents struggled for over a decade of only having a single road in and out, a single shop, no school and no services, and it was closer to Queanbeyan, and it only resolved some of the issues fairly recently as it grew much larger than Tralee is planned to be.
Will they start pushing to build a Tralee North, which will be even further under the flight path?

Surely there are better uses for the land that reflect it’s industrial/rural surroundings?
There was once a speedway at Tralee, we could rebuild that bigger into a proper track and use it to teach Canberrans how to drive when it’s not being a tourism attraction for race meets.
How about putting in another large scale solar farm development? Solar panels don’t care about the noise, and with Hume right there I don’t think any neighbouring farmers can really complain that it’s ruining the view.
Wasn’t there a plan to build a gas powered power plant in that area? What happened to that?

Glen Takkenberg
My own opinions, not those of Pirate Party ACT.

milkman milkman 7:46 pm 08 Nov 12

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Well I flew into Adelaide recently. Nuthin but houses for about 10 minutes before we landed

And they’re all serial killers. Contrails made ’em do it.

Chemtrails, Woody, chemtrails…

HenryBG HenryBG 7:20 pm 08 Nov 12

milkman said :

HenryBG said :

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.

This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

WTF impact does a gaol nowhere near Jerrabomberra have on anybody? That’s got to be the stupidest complaint ever.

In case you missed it – the ACT isn’t objecting to any development on account of the impact it will have on the ACT, we’re pointing out the short-sighted stupidity of developing land that will be subject to aircraft noise.

This post illustrates exactly why NSW doesn’t care. If you trivialise the concerns of your neighbours (ie with the gaol and new industrial estate) then you can expect your neighbours to trivialise your concerns in return. Queanbeyan isn’t worried about noise – it can be shared with Canberra.

This post illustrates exactly why Canberrans show such contempt for the intellectual capabilities of Quangerites.

Woody Mann-Caruso Woody Mann-Caruso 6:30 pm 08 Nov 12

Well I flew into Adelaide recently. Nuthin but houses for about 10 minutes before we landed

And they’re all serial killers. Contrails made ’em do it.

milkman milkman 6:08 pm 08 Nov 12

HenryBG said :

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.

This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

WTF impact does a gaol nowhere near Jerrabomberra have on anybody? That’s got to be the stupidest complaint ever.

In case you missed it – the ACT isn’t objecting to any development on account of the impact it will have on the ACT, we’re pointing out the short-sighted stupidity of developing land that will be subject to aircraft noise.

This post illustrates exactly why NSW doesn’t care. If you trivialise the concerns of your neighbours (ie with the gaol and new industrial estate) then you can expect your neighbours to trivialise your concerns in return. Queanbeyan isn’t worried about noise – it can be shared with Canberra.

HenryBG HenryBG 6:53 am 08 Nov 12

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.

This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

WTF impact does a gaol nowhere near Jerrabomberra have on anybody? That’s got to be the stupidest complaint ever.

In case you missed it – the ACT isn’t objecting to any development on account of the impact it will have on the ACT, we’re pointing out the short-sighted stupidity of developing land that will be subject to aircraft noise.

chewy14 chewy14 10:47 pm 07 Nov 12

Tetranitrate said :

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.
This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

Bingo.
NIMBYism at its hypocritical finest. I’m really enjoying the angst here.
“RAAAHHH MY EQUITY! OINK OINK”

Perhaps if we’d seen more development in the ACT over the past 10 years this wouldn’t even be viable.

How is it NIMBYism to not want a massive piece of infrastructure and possible economic growth area to be curtailed by short term and short sighted developments that will only benefit a tiny amount of people and mainly one developer?

The airport benefits the entire region not just the people in the ACT. Seems like a few councillors think a quick buck is worth more than long term economic growth.

milkman milkman 10:14 pm 07 Nov 12

Tetranitrate said :

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.
This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

Bingo.
NIMBYism at its hypocritical finest. I’m really enjoying the angst here.
“RAAAHHH MY EQUITY! OINK OINK”

Perhaps if we’d seen more development in the ACT over the past 10 years this wouldn’t even be viable.

“But we’re Canberrans, dammit! Can’t somebody do something?”

Tetranitrate Tetranitrate 8:26 pm 07 Nov 12

milkman said :

So everyone is up in arms that ACT might have to noise share, yet no-one gave a crap when the gaol was put near Jerrabomberra and the new industrial estate less than 100m from NSW homes.
This is why NSW isn’t so concerned about ACT’s objections.

Bingo.
NIMBYism at its hypocritical finest. I’m really enjoying the angst here.
“RAAAHHH MY EQUITY! OINK OINK”

Perhaps if we’d seen more development in the ACT over the past 10 years this wouldn’t even be viable.

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 8:03 pm 07 Nov 12

Pork Hunt said :

JimCharles said :

DrKoresh said :

Can someone correct me if I’ve got this wrong, but Tralee will be part of QBN/NSW won’t it? And the airport is here in the A.C.T so residents complaining of noise in Tralee will have no-one to complain to. The government here doesn’t have to worry about what residents of a NSW town have to say, so won’t it merely be a case of “tough titties, you messed your bed now lay in it” rather than flight curfews or increased aircraft traffic over Canberra’s northern suburbs?

Airports and the activities carried out both on the ground and in the air are under Federal arrangements (Commonwealth land). This is why Snowtown has been able to carry on without interference from the ACT gov regarding buildings etc on the grounds of the CA.
Further, I believe that ABC666 stated the other morning that airports when privatised, were given 50 year leases from the Commonwealth.

Isn’t it just that NSW will then be put in a different position when/if negotiating about future expansion of Sydney and maybe coming to an agreement with ACT?

Either way it seems like grubby, short-sighted politics. With all the stupid amounts of available land around here it just seems unnecessary to create more self-inflicted problems which are going to fall into the lap of future politicians to untangle.

Something seriously wrong with the quotes system here.

What I said was this:

Airports and the activities carried out both on the ground and in the air are under Federal arrangements (Commonwealth land). This is why Snowtown has been able to carry on without interference from the ACT gov regarding buildings etc on the grounds of the CA.
Further, I believe that ABC666 stated the other morning that airports when privatised, were given 50 year leases from the Commonwealth.

jasmine jasmine 6:52 pm 07 Nov 12

I can’t believe the dumb decisions governments make at time. Why put in a new suburb over a flight path knowing full well the end result will be to share the pain around to those living in suburbs where there is currently no aircraft noise. This is the way it always works, so why not use some commonsense and keep the corridor free of residents. Why do developer interests always win out over sensible policy. I hope the ACT government will act in the interests of residents to ensure this does not go ahead. There could have been a referendum on this (and other issues) in the last election. Even though the area is NSW the ACT could have made things difficult with associated infrastructure development.

Stupid is as stupid does. Apologies to Forrest Gump

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 6:35 pm 07 Nov 12

JimCharles said :

DrKoresh said :

Can someone correct me if I’ve got this wrong, but Tralee will be part of QBN/NSW won’t it? And the airport is here in the A.C.T so residents complaining of noise in Tralee will have no-one to complain to. The government here doesn’t have to worry about what residents of a NSW town have to say, so won’t it merely be a case of “tough titties, you messed your bed now lay in it” rather than flight curfews or increased aircraft traffic over Canberra’s northern suburbs?

Airports and the activities carried out both on the ground and in the air are under Federal arrangements (Commonwealth land). This is why Snowtown has been able to carry on without interference from the ACT gov regarding buildings etc on the grounds of the CA.
Further, I believe that ABC666 stated the other morning that airports when privatised, were given 50 year leases from the Commonwealth.

Isn’t it just that NSW will then be put in a different position when/if negotiating about future expansion of Sydney and maybe coming to an agreement with ACT?

Either way it seems like grubby, short-sighted politics. With all the stupid amounts of available land around here it just seems unnecessary to create more self-inflicted problems which are going to fall into the lap of future politicians to untangle.

JimCharles JimCharles 5:55 pm 07 Nov 12

DrKoresh said :

Can someone correct me if I’ve got this wrong, but Tralee will be part of QBN/NSW won’t it? And the airport is here in the A.C.T so residents complaining of noise in Tralee will have no-one to complain to. The government here doesn’t have to worry about what residents of a NSW town have to say, so won’t it merely be a case of “tough titties, you messed your bed now lay in it” rather than flight curfews or increased aircraft traffic over Canberra’s northern suburbs?

Isn’t it just that NSW will then be put in a different position when/if negotiating about future expansion of Sydney and maybe coming to an agreement with ACT?

Either way it seems like grubby, short-sighted politics. With all the stupid amounts of available land around here it just seems unnecessary to create more self-inflicted problems which are going to fall into the lap of future politicians to untangle.

dungfungus dungfungus 5:29 pm 07 Nov 12

Gungahlin Al said :

dungfungus said :

I agree with this analysis. Airlines will always fly the most direct route to their destinations with minimum deviation from a straight in approach. This is to save fuel and minimise passenger discomfort. The worst aircraft noise emitted by passenger jets approaching Canberra from the South is around Googong and Burra where the terrain is higher. Then over the Harman MUD it is very intrusive (I wonder if is this going to be a future problem with whatever they are building there now) The noisiest aircraft over Tuggeranong are the Cessna 206s climbing on full fine pitch loaded with thrillseekers who jump out over Deakin at 10,000 feet.
I think that at the end of the day the Canberra Airport and their wish list for the future can peacefully co-exist with the Tralee development.

I think you are missing the point. The “most direct route” is NOT what flights from the north coming in to the south are currently flying. They have to go a LONG way further south than they’d like to minimise noise. Ditto for the reverse of north/south. Time in the air costs money. A LOT of it.

If there becomes no advantage in fewer noise complaints, their case for coming in/leaving closer to the airport starts to outweigh the airport’s/community’s case for the longer routes.

No matter what direction they are flying from, the aircraft have to land into the prevailing wind which is generally coming from the North. They usually take off into the wind also.

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