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South Tralee goes ahead

johnboy 6 November 2012 127

The Village Building Company is celebrating victory in their long march to build a ghetto under the flight path of Canberra Airport across the border in NSW, which in turn is likely to shift the flight paths over Canberra.

“Home ownership is everyone’s dream. Queanbeyan has been starved of well-located affordable housing for seven years. This decision means that young families looking to buy their first home near Jerrabomberra can now get into the housing market. The rezoning of Tralee will restore jobs, growth and opportunity to the families and businesses of Jerrabomberra and Queanbeyan” Mr Winnel said.

South Tralee has been rezoned by the NSW Minister for Planning as the first stage of Queanbeyan City Council’s plan to develop houses and community facilities in the South Jerrabomberra region.

“The rezoning has only been achieved through the commitment and tenacity of the Member for Monaro John Barilaro. The project has also achieved strong support from Queanbeyan Council’s Mayor Tim Overall, all nine other Councillors, the Jerrabomberra Residents Association, the Queanbeyan Business Council and sporting clubs and community groups throughout Queanbeyan.

They’ve also produced a lovely fact sheet.


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pepmeup pepmeup 9:00 am 06 Nov 12

So for all those who buy at Tralee, you are warned now before hand that you will be living under a flight path, that the 2 km corridor is not wide enough to stop all sound. So there will be no excuse for any complaining once you live there and have planes flying over head. Canberra Airport will only get busier this will effect you and the future value of your house.

Chop71 Chop71 9:05 am 06 Nov 12

I’m sure all this publicity is jut driving up the land price, NOT.

MERC600 MERC600 9:25 am 06 Nov 12

Well I used to work at Hume. Used to have lunch outside and watch the planes a comin’ and a goin’. I didn’t think there was all that much noise.

Deref Deref 9:41 am 06 Nov 12

Damned if I can decide who I dislike more – Terry Snow or Bob Winnell.

Chop71 Chop71 9:55 am 06 Nov 12

pepmeup said :

So for all those who buy at Tralee, you are warned now before hand that you will be living under a flight path, that the 2 km corridor is not wide enough to stop all sound. So there will be no excuse for any complaining once you live there and have planes flying over head. Canberra Airport will only get busier this will effect you and the future value of your house.

… and may your children grow up sucking on the fumes of 747s

Alderney Alderney 10:03 am 06 Nov 12

The project has also achieved strong support from Queanbeyan Council’s Mayor Tim Overall, all nine other Councillors…

This decision just goes to show that you don’t need a brain to get electerd at any level of government.

watto23 watto23 11:12 am 06 Nov 12

MERC600 said :

Well I used to work at Hume. Used to have lunch outside and watch the planes a comin’ and a goin’. I didn’t think there was all that much noise.

Thats not the issue. Its about preserving the corridor, so more noise can be added to it.
And putting a high school across from Hume is another bad idea, I’m sure childrens education will be used at some point to divert planes as well. I’m sure the developer has some deep pockets to help aid decision making in the council…..

54-11 54-11 11:29 am 06 Nov 12

Deref said :

Damned if I can decide who I dislike more – Terry Snow or Bob Winnell.

I’m in the same quandary. I don’t think this should go ahead, but I also don’t like the thought of Canberra being a 24/7 transport hub. There is no doubt that, over time, aircraft noise will be spread much wider.

Gungahlin Al Gungahlin Al 11:43 am 06 Nov 12

The following comments are based on my experience on the management committee of the Sunshine Coast Airport, surrounded by residential development, including development by dint of old planning court decisions that were irreversible. And from being the Councillor for said electorate, dealing with unending noise complaints:

Dumb. Just dumb.

I don’t for a moment support the Snows’ relentless drive for increased night-time flights and freight traffic. But houses around airports is stupid in anyone’s language. This is a triumph of developer greed, with deep pockets and stacks of patience, over sensible infrastructure and town planning.

This is how the next 10 years will play out:

Land titles will be written with warnings about noise. But people will buy in and start complaining in very short order. The astute among them will start waging smart campaigns to have the “unreasonable” noise focus shared with other surrounding areas. Eventually they’ll wear people down – just as the cashed-up residents of Twin Waters did under the Sunshine Coast Airport approach.

Jerra residents – despite their illogical support for this outcome – will end up wearing more of the noise. The irony of that will be bitter-sweet. Then so will Tuggers and Woden folk. And eventually the Airport will start directing more and more traffic for both approach and departure to the north, as they already do with all late flights. Meaning we’ll cop more of it – Watson, Hackett, all the northern Gungahlin suburbs – Harrison, Kenny, Forde, Bonner, Casey, Amaroo, Throsby.

And I point out it couldn’t have happened if the ACT border more logically encompassed the entire Capital geographic/social/economic catchment (i.e. Queanbeyan, Bungendore, Murrumbateman, Yass).

Stupid small town councillors who think any growth is good. People with very near horizons. Sheesh.

astrojax astrojax 12:01 pm 06 Nov 12

tell ’em they’re dreamin’…

dpm dpm 12:20 pm 06 Nov 12

Follow the money.
You can’t stop (developer) greed and councillors taking bribes for ‘the good of the community’, because never-ending growth is the only option, apparently. How can anyone in their right mind decide that location is the best for a suburb? Seriously.
Next a developer will demand (with associated ‘lobbying’) to build a suburb next to the sewerage works and be shocked when the smell strips paint off the house walls. The residents will then want the sewerage plant closed.
It’s a crazy world. Whatever….

Chop71 Chop71 12:23 pm 06 Nov 12

Gungahlin Al said :

The following comments are based on my experience on the management committee of the Sunshine Coast Airport, surrounded by residential development, including development by dint of old planning court decisions that were irreversible. And from being the Councillor for said electorate, dealing with unending noise complaints:

Dumb. Just dumb.

I don’t for a moment support the Snows’ relentless drive for increased night-time flights and freight traffic. But houses around airports is stupid in anyone’s language. This is a triumph of developer greed, with deep pockets and stacks of patience, over sensible infrastructure and town planning.

This is how the next 10 years will play out:

Land titles will be written with warnings about noise. But people will buy in and start complaining in very short order. The astute among them will start waging smart campaigns to have the “unreasonable” noise focus shared with other surrounding areas. Eventually they’ll wear people down – just as the cashed-up residents of Twin Waters did under the Sunshine Coast Airport approach.

Jerra residents – despite their illogical support for this outcome – will end up wearing more of the noise. The irony of that will be bitter-sweet. Then so will Tuggers and Woden folk. And eventually the Airport will start directing more and more traffic for both approach and departure to the north, as they already do with all late flights. Meaning we’ll cop more of it – Watson, Hackett, all the northern Gungahlin suburbs – Harrison, Kenny, Forde, Bonner, Casey, Amaroo, Throsby.

And I point out it couldn’t have happened if the ACT border more logically encompassed the entire Capital geographic/social/economic catchment (i.e. Queanbeyan, Bungendore, Murrumbateman, Yass).

Stupid small town councillors who think any growth is good. People with very near horizons. Sheesh.

YAY AL
I finally agree with you.

I’d love the feds to just move the boarder.

milkman milkman 12:33 pm 06 Nov 12

As has been pointed out in another thread, ACT has not been a good neighbour to Queanbeyan in recent times, so I’m not surprised this has happened. Noise will be shared, and ACT has no-one but themselves to blame.

caf caf 1:29 pm 06 Nov 12

Gungahlin Al said :

This is how the next 10 years will play out:

Land titles will be written with warnings about noise. But people will buy in and start complaining in very short order. The astute among them will start waging smart campaigns to have the “unreasonable” noise focus shared with other surrounding areas. Eventually they’ll wear people down – just as the cashed-up residents of Twin Waters did under the Sunshine Coast Airport approach.

Jerra residents – despite their illogical support for this outcome – will end up wearing more of the noise. The irony of that will be bitter-sweet. Then so will Tuggers and Woden folk. And eventually the Airport will start directing more and more traffic for both approach and departure to the north, as they already do with all late flights. Meaning we’ll cop more of it – Watson, Hackett, all the northern Gungahlin suburbs – Harrison, Kenny, Forde, Bonner, Casey, Amaroo, Throsby.

Also consider that airports are a Federal responsibility, and Tralee and Jerrabomberra are in a marginal Federal electorate while the ACT electorates are safe.

MERC600 MERC600 1:50 pm 06 Nov 12

watto23 said :

MERC600 said :

Well I used to work at Hume. Used to have lunch outside and watch the planes a comin’ and a goin’. I didn’t think there was all that much noise.

Thats not the issue. Its about preserving the corridor, so more noise can be added to it.
And putting a high school across from Hume is another bad idea, I’m sure childrens education will be used at some point to divert planes as well. I’m sure the developer has some deep pockets to help aid decision making in the council…..

Well I flew into Adelaide recently. Nuthin but houses for about 10 minutes before we landed, in fact houses right up to the perimeter fence ( have a squiz at google earth ). How do they get on ? I’m not sure if I would want to live there, ( in fact anywhere in Adelaide) but tens of thousands do live under the flight path…Tralee is miles away from the fence and those low landing/takeing off planes… just sayin’ is all..

dungfungus dungfungus 2:11 pm 06 Nov 12

pepmeup said :

So for all those who buy at Tralee, you are warned now before hand that you will be living under a flight path, that the 2 km corridor is not wide enough to stop all sound. So there will be no excuse for any complaining once you live there and have planes flying over head. Canberra Airport will only get busier this will effect you and the future value of your house.

There is no evidence that Canberra Airport (fornerly known as Canberra International Airport) will get busier. In fact, passenger numbers peaked a few years ago and now they are in decline. The 24/7 freight hub concept is unlikely to happen either. I expect blocks of residential units will soon be constructed in the old housing estate where RAAF Fairbairn was (with golf course adjacent). This is a very quiet area. So there is nothing to worry about folks.
Having said that I must congratulate the Snow family and Stephen Byron for creating a great enterprise. It shows what can be achieved when there is no interference from the ACT Government.

Deref Deref 2:33 pm 06 Nov 12

dungfungus said :

It shows what can be achieved when there is no interference from the ACT Government.

It certainly does.

Mr Gillespie Mr Gillespie 2:48 pm 06 Nov 12

To those calling for more airport curfews, QUIT YOUR WHINGEING or f*** off to where there are no flight paths. I am sick of hearing about delayed flights having to be postponed to the next day due to airport curfews banning flights at certain hours of the day, and WHY do flight paths have to be changed to pander to these NIMBYs??

Thumper Thumper 3:06 pm 06 Nov 12

Gungahlin Al said :

The following comments are based on my experience on the management committee of the Sunshine Coast Airport, surrounded by residential development, including development by dint of old planning court decisions that were irreversible. And from being the Councillor for said electorate, dealing with unending noise complaints:

Dumb. Just dumb.

I don’t for a moment support the Snows’ relentless drive for increased night-time flights and freight traffic. But houses around airports is stupid in anyone’s language. This is a triumph of developer greed, with deep pockets and stacks of patience, over sensible infrastructure and town planning.

This is how the next 10 years will play out:

Land titles will be written with warnings about noise. But people will buy in and start complaining in very short order. The astute among them will start waging smart campaigns to have the “unreasonable” noise focus shared with other surrounding areas. Eventually they’ll wear people down – just as the cashed-up residents of Twin Waters did under the Sunshine Coast Airport approach.

Jerra residents – despite their illogical support for this outcome – will end up wearing more of the noise. The irony of that will be bitter-sweet. Then so will Tuggers and Woden folk. And eventually the Airport will start directing more and more traffic for both approach and departure to the north, as they already do with all late flights. Meaning we’ll cop more of it – Watson, Hackett, all the northern Gungahlin suburbs – Harrison, Kenny, Forde, Bonner, Casey, Amaroo, Throsby.

And I point out it couldn’t have happened if the ACT border more logically encompassed the entire Capital geographic/social/economic catchment (i.e. Queanbeyan, Bungendore, Murrumbateman, Yass).

Stupid small town councillors who think any growth is good. People with very near horizons. Sheesh.

Nailed it….

Pork Hunt Pork Hunt 3:27 pm 06 Nov 12

Mr Gillespie said :

To those calling for more airport curfews, QUIT YOUR WHINGEING or f*** off to where there are no flight paths. I am sick of hearing about delayed flights having to be postponed to the next day due to airport curfews banning flights at certain hours of the day, and WHY do flight paths have to be changed to pander to these NIMBYs??

Just did a quick count and zero people in this post were calling for more airport curfews.

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