Statehood for ACT

Frug 14 February 2010 43

Is there a good reason we haven’t become a State of Australia?

If we did we’d get equal representation in the HoR and Senate and also prevent the Federal Government from flipping our laws as they see fit.

The NT have already taken (apart from the failed referendum) big steps down this path. Why can’t we?

I’ve set up a facebook group (“Statehood for Canberra”) with the idea that with enough discussion, pushing, nagging we might see it happen by 2020.


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Roger_Duck Roger_Duck 9:18 pm 27 Feb 10

cleo said :

I think that it should be one state joined with NSW as it was in the begining!

Won’t that get certain Canberran’s panties in a knot! Bring it on I say!

It’s nearly as good as when they tried to stop any media reference to Canberra and the ACT being referred to as “The Bush Capital”.

Why change something that really isn’t broken? How will changing the name of Australia’s Capital Territory benefit anything in the future if it is known, for example, the State of Canberra with the capital city known as Civic? The same could be said for the Northern Territory. Are we to call it the Northern State?

All I can say is, let’s not forget our roots and how we came to be here and the values and quality of life that have been made available to everyone with the State and Territories in a structure that is both recognisable and iconic.

Thumper Thumper 8:27 am 25 Feb 10

Surely it’s time to elevate Stanhope to Emperor and become our own country?

We could then have Hargreaves as our head diplomat.

cleo cleo 11:51 pm 24 Feb 10

I think that it should be one state joined with NSW as it was in the begining!

housebound housebound 12:28 pm 19 Feb 10

Looks like you started something – Cris Uhlman has jumped on the bandwagon …
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/19/2824510.htm

… and tried to justify some pretty poor ACT government decisions while he was at it.

James-T-Kirk James-T-Kirk 9:09 am 17 Feb 10

imhotep said :

James-T-Kirk said :

…..Bring back the customs booths.

Yes, I can see it now. The ACT’s export tariff list:

(1) Porn-100% duty
(2) Hot air and other bumpf-100% duty
(3) Todd Carney- duty free!

And that would be about it. Imagine the deficit!

You forgot the HOT AIR!

Gold!

imhotep imhotep 4:28 pm 16 Feb 10

James-T-Kirk said :

…..Bring back the customs booths.

Yes, I can see it now. The ACT’s export tariff list:

(1) Porn-100% duty
(2) Hot air and other bumpf-100% duty
(3) Todd Carney- duty free!

And that would be about it. Imagine the deficit!

Frug Frug 3:46 pm 16 Feb 10

Management issues aside…polly competency issues aside….wastage aside. Non of those are ‘fixable’ through system change or realistic.

What about ACT Citizens right to an equal say in Parliament? We already are a State in all but name – in fact we’re better. We are a State and a Council combined. It ain’t perfect, sure – hell, its shambolic a lot of the time! We could wait until the Senate is fixed, we could wait until States are abolished we could even wait until our population overtakes TAS but none of us, I’m guessing, is young enough to see any of those things happen.

Why shouldn’t we have an equal say at the big table? Why shouldn’t it happen soon?

James-T-Kirk James-T-Kirk 1:48 pm 16 Feb 10

#housebound

The reason why the ACT is piss porly run, is that the SUN RIPENED WARM TOMATO PARTY didn’t get in.

Sadly, the “Abolish Self Government” party made it, and then entrenched themselves milking the public teat for all it was worth.

Individual states are an excellent ides, Lets have Multiple standards…. Multiple rail gauges, different drinking ages, different driving ages, diferent fees for various driving offences..

Hey – while were at it, lets even drive on the opposite side of the road…..

I am related to an ACT Government teacher, and lets see how education policy is handled:

1. A poly has a brain murmur, and issues a press release
2. The federal education department has to actually write up the idea.
3. That is then passed to the state education departments where they place their spin on it.
4. The idea is then given to the schools, where they put their spin on it as well, till
5. The teacher then has to implement the heavily modified thought.

At least if we pissed off the states, then they wouldn’t screw things up.

While we are at it, lets get rid of the Senate. It NO LONGER does the job it was implemented to do – which was a house of STATE review. It is now a party political thing, where Liberal policy and Labor policy collide….. In my experience they simply do not represent the states at all…

But, if you WANT states, then do it properly – Bring back the customs booths. Seriously!

housebound housebound 12:03 pm 16 Feb 10

Jim Jones said :

The problem isn’t that ‘the people’ don’t want it to happen …

Actually, the other problem is that people quickly realise they could end up with a Kennet, a Joh, an Iemma or a WA-Inc or a Stanhope running the entire country. At least under the current system, you can run away to Tasmania or SA or even FNQ if it all gets too much.

Those state abolitionists seem to always think that the federal government is always good and wise, and neglect the value of the states in standing up for their parachial interests. And the ACT is a great example of how expanded regional governments (ie big councils) aren’t sustainable.

James-T-Kirk James-T-Kirk 10:42 am 16 Feb 10

I am all for the creation of a new state.

And – While we are at it – BRING BACK THE CUSTOMS BOOTHS on the borders.

If we want states – lets do it PROPERLY!

Rawhide Kid No 2 Rawhide Kid No 2 8:28 am 16 Feb 10

Power Protect said :

deye said :

meh, abolish all states and make it two levels, fed and super councils 😀

+1

The last thing we need is someone pushing for another level of governance.

Can someone please tell me what really needs to be managed on a state by state level.

Hospitals – every state has hospitals…manage it nationally
Schools – every state has schools…manage it nationally
Transport – better dealt with on a local level, with collaboration between regions

Police
Emergency Services

Rawhide Kid No 2 Rawhide Kid No 2 8:26 am 16 Feb 10

deye said :

meh, abolish all states and make it two levels, fed and super councils 😀

+ 1

facet facet 8:19 am 16 Feb 10

How about a referendum to reduce the number of state Senators by at least half – they are a waste of space. All referendums that have not been about more power for the Federal government have been successful.

trevar trevar 7:39 am 16 Feb 10

Frug said :

How does that happen in other similar western democracies? I know that Washington DC citizens have a similar problem as ACT citizen – but what about UK? Canada? New Zealand?

It’s not an issue in the UK or NZ because they have no state or equivalent, but in Canada, both Ottawa and Gatineu (Ottawa’s neighbour twin city across the border in Quebec) are part of a National Capital Region, controlled by a National Capital Commission, which is probably as annoying as the NCA… Maybe that’s a better arrangement than ours, but it doesn’t seem to be all that different…

annoyedcan annoyedcan 11:06 pm 15 Feb 10

New Zealand is one country no states, and canada is a mess half french and the other english. The ACT is for all people of Australia not just for the people who live in the ACT. The ACT has fallen apart since self government. Its about time it went back the way its was.

Frug Frug 8:49 pm 15 Feb 10

How does that happen in other similar western democracies? I know that Washington DC citizens have a similar problem as ACT citizen – but what about UK? Canada? New Zealand?

Are we unable to ask Stanhope, Zed or any other local State polly to make sure our bins are collected, run a school BUT not turn the Parliament into a megamall?

I reckon we could manage.

Ryan Ryan 7:18 pm 15 Feb 10

The home of reliable information, Wikipedia, gives us this (followed by a ‘citation needed’)

“The wording of s.125 of the Australian Constitution suggests that the ACT must remain a territory and cannot become a state”

trevar trevar 6:34 pm 15 Feb 10

Aurelius said :

Just to correct Trevar on a minor point: there are no provisions in the Aust Constitution to allow secession of a state.

The ACT was not a colony at the time of Federation, and thus was not included in the document as a state. Amendment could be made to the constitution, but of course that rarely happens.

As the NT demonstrated…

But to clarify my intention, I didn’t meant to suggest that the constitution makes provision for a state’s secession, only that it would be wrong (from an ethical standpoint) for the rest of the Commonwealth or any state to interfere if a state decided to secede. The role of the state governments is to look after their own interests, not the interests of the Commonwealth, and that’s why I don’t think the national capital should be in a state.

AndyC AndyC 6:12 pm 15 Feb 10

Feathergirl said :

The ACS doesn’t sound as snappy as the ACT. Or would our new state have a new name? Suggestion – New Reptoidland???

How about The Capital Wasteland?

heinous heinous 6:07 pm 15 Feb 10

The ACT was originally known as FCT (Federal Capital Territory). It was changed when the politicians realised how FCT the original name was!

Why not call it the Australian Supreme State? It kinda has a ring to it, you know ASS.

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