9 March 2010

Sydney style schoolyard stabbing

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Well, ABC are reporting that our impressionable youngsters have caught up with the latest trend amongst stupid youngsters, Knives. It seems that our kids are now sick of filming burnouts on you tube and have taken to stabbing eachother.

Apparently a youngster was stabbed in an altercation outside Erindale College at lunch.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/09/2840857.htmare

Hmmm, was it Drugs? Was he seeing someone elses ex? Oh, the chinese whispers in my mind are going into overdrive.

[ED] Skidbladnir also sent this info in including the Police report below:
Apparently all is not well in the educational institutions of the Thuggeranong Badlands.

ABC Online report which identifies Erindale College
AFP Media have put out the following:
Tuesday, 09 March 2010
ACT Policing is investigating a stabbing in a car park outside a South Canberra College which occurred about 1pm today (March 9).
A 17-year-old male has received non life threatening injuries as a result of an altercation with a male offender.
The victim has been conveyed to The Canberra Hospital for treatment.
The offender is believed to have left the scene in a vehicle with another male, enquires to locate the offender are continuing.
Police are currently onsite speaking to witnesses and would encourage any further witnesses who are yet to speak to police to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
Initial enquiries reveal that this incident appears to be a targeted attack and was not within the school grounds. No other injuries or incidents have been reported to police from the school today.

So if you were in the Erindale College carpark earlier this afternoon and either stabbed someone, helped someone abscond, or witnessed this particular Erindale College stabbing, the AFP would like to talk to you.

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turts420 said :

im sorry if this upsets any one but im from wanniassa and im proud of it living on the south and growing up in suburbs such as kambah,wanniassa and a short stint in richo has made me wat i am and i am strong willed with skin thicker than most north siders heads so stop baggin the south its a great place to live i fell safe living here i go north and i lock the doors in my car

Is this an example of the schooling you got in Wanniassa and Kambah?

turts420 said :

im sorry if this upsets any one but im from wanniassa and im proud of it living on the south and growing up in suburbs such as kambah,wanniassa and a short stint in richo has made me wat i am and i am strong willed with skin thicker than most north siders heads so stop baggin the south its a great place to live i fell safe living here i go north and i lock the doors in my car

It’s made you barely literate?

turts420 said :

im sorry if this upsets any one but im from wanniassa and im proud of it living on the south and growing up in suburbs such as kambah,wanniassa and a short stint in richo has made me wat i am and i am strong willed with skin thicker than most north siders heads so stop baggin the south its a great place to live i fell safe living here i go north and i lock the doors in my car

OMG … some Southside lowlife stole all your punctuation.

im sorry if this upsets any one but im from wanniassa and im proud of it living on the south and growing up in suburbs such as kambah,wanniassa and a short stint in richo has made me wat i am and i am strong willed with skin thicker than most north siders heads so stop baggin the south its a great place to live i fell safe living here i go north and i lock the doors in my car

Grail said :

What if it was due to someone “stealing” another guy’s girlfriend? Or a drug dealer warning someone to stay off his turf? Or perhaps it was related to a car sale where the purchaser was disappointed with the quality of the vehicle that was delivered?

PBO should become aware of both sides of the story, not just the side told by people who feel they were put-upon.

All of course being valid reasons to justify sticking a knife in someone … if you’re a moronic thug.

Using a knife as a weapon, or threatening to use one, should carry about 2 years jail as flagfall on the sentence when the stabber/slasher gets caught and convicted. There really is no excuse for carrying knives with a view to using them as a weapon, and those that do should be dealt with harshly.

Regarding the stabbing issue: does RickFish have access to information that the Police do not? If not, how does RickFish know that the stabbing was racially related?

What if it was due to someone “stealing” another guy’s girlfriend? Or a drug dealer warning someone to stay off his turf? Or perhaps it was related to a car sale where the purchaser was disappointed with the quality of the vehicle that was delivered?

As for the relocation of undesirables issue: perhaps PBO could clarify what “relocated” means. Were people moved by the Government from Sydney to Canberra? Were homeless people offered property at cheap rental rates in Canberra? What was the nature of the relocation? I wouldn’t consider someone moving to Canberra of their own volition due to lower rental rates as having “been relocated to Canberra” so much as having “moved to Canberra”. There is a difference between, “you must move out of here” versus, “you must move in there.” There is also a difference between, “we were forced to move to Canberra by the Government” versus, “we were forced to move to Canberra due to economic reality.”

PBO should become aware of both sides of the story, not just the side told by people who feel they were put-upon.

“Actually there is more to the divide than you realise, during the build up to the olympics many troublesome families were relocated (psuedo-gentrification)from Sydney to places like Isabella Plains and such. With that the crime rate soared at the time and we are now used to it and accept it as daily life.”

What absolute bollocks

someone gets stabbed and all we can comment on is the way the OP has expressd Their views.
i think you may be missing the point. it is that sort of stupid behaviour that mostly lead to the stabbing the first place.

unjustified hostility.

PBO, I have read the links you have provided in an attempt to prop up your claim that people (indigenous families) were relocated from Sydney to Canberra due to displacement at the time of the 200 Olympics.

The links do not support your claims.

While no one disputes the ‘cleaning up’ of Sydney occurred – it was all over the press at the time – nowhere do your links allude to relocation to the ACT.

I note that other rioters have provided information refuting your claim, including personal knowledge of the process at that time, and stats on Canberra’s indigenous population (thank you to trunking, bd84,pptvb and others).

Thus far, the relocation issue appears to be just another unsubstantiated claim, such as, hmm, maybe that Tuggeranong is full of criminals and bogans? As you do not appear to understand why this kind of false logic could infuriate people, I attach a link on ‘logical fallacies’ for your information.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

Please read and learn.

I realise that this is not going down the path that I wanted, I am not trying to play the race card but the relocation program also included troublesome families who were not of indiginous decent, however a few were. I am not saying that either party is indiginous and I should have worded what I said a bit better.

This is going to be hard to do without naming families or spruiking anecdotal evidence, but I will stick with “just because you were not told does not mean that it did not happen”.

However we are now talking about two very different subjects.

I was in the servo the other day and the attendant caught some kids stealing chocolates. It was quite funny when he asked them to leave and the girl screamed “why, is it the colour of my skin” The attendant quickly replied “No it’s cause you’re stealing stuff”

Playing the race card can really backfire sometimes

add “from Wanniassa” at the end of my first sentence.

Tooks said :

Swaggie said :

Just nuke Kambah and Richardson, add a small area of Gordon and all the problems on the Southside will vanish

Even though the stabbing was in Wanniassa.

Because the stabbing was in Wanniassa, doesn’t mean the people involved were..

To the southside’s defence, only one person gets stabbed down here compared to 2 on the northside, see: http://www.afp.gov.au/media_releases/act/2010/man_arrested_following_knife_incident_in_turner

pptvb said :

PBO…I did as you said…asked my local liaison officer.
Belconnen has Canberras highest indigenous population, though how you linked the Olympics to indigenous relocation to crime rates I find interesting.
“just because you were not told does not mean that it did not happen. it is upsetting when someone says something confronting about where you live.”

And exactly where does it say the offender or victim was Indigenous PBO?
OMG How horrible….Indigenous people LIVING in their own country.

PBO…I did as you said…asked my local liaison officer.
Belconnen has Canberras highest indigenous population, though how you linked the Olympics to indigenous relocation to crime rates I find interesting.
“just because you were not told does not mean that it did not happen. it is upsetting when someone says something confronting about where you live.”

PBO, while I note your status as a ‘rabble rouser’, I can’t find anything in the links about people being relocated to Swinger Hill. Did I miss it?

Trunking symbols4:39 pm 10 Mar 10

PBO said :

miz said :

Also I find the constant insinuations that Tuggeranong has more thugs than other areas very irritating. I think you’ll find that loutish behaviour goes with the territory when you have a statistical bulge of teens . . . so look out, Gungers, you’re next – nothing to do with the Northside/Southside divide, so please stop villifying Tuggers.

Actually there is more to the divide than you realise, during the build up to the olympics many troublesome families were relocated (psuedo-gentrification)from Sydney to places like Isabella Plains and such. With that the crime rate soared at the time and we are now used to it and accept it as daily life.

I’ll take your accusation of villifying and vindicate it.

As a former employee of SOCOG during the planning and staging of the Sydney Olympics I can categorically say that NO “troublesome families” were relocated to Isabella Plains or any other part of Canberra. The few relocations that happened were to the Blue Mountains and Central Coast/Newcastle. Canberra was simply too far away and it would have been exceedingly difficult having to deal with interstate governments and bureaucrats.

LOL, someones lit the fuse on your tampon.

http://fulltext.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/1999/nsw/p124-128.pdf and read from page 125, or better yet, do some study yourself and learn that just because you were not told does not mean that it did not happen.

Speak to Dept of Housing or or Community services or even your local aboriginal liaison officer. Or maybe read this: http://www.abc.net.au/indigenous/stories/s2469426.htm

Southside Canberra was not the only place that they were relocated to, it happened all over the country.

I can understand why you would be annoyed, it is upsetting when someone says something confronting about where you live.

Vindicated schmindicated, PBO. Do we all say, ‘ooh, Lyneham is a den of rapists’ when there were several sexual assaults there? Do we all say, ‘ooh, Charnie is full of child prostitutes’ when there was an incident there?

As for your allegations about relocating people to Isabella Plains, show me where I can find verification of this and I might believe you. Sounds like a crock to me.

Sensible people know that there are dropkicks everywhere.

I have a lovely, peaceful life in Chisholm, probably very similar to those of you who reside in such common or garden suburbs like Melba, Cook or Scullin. I have never been burgled or had my car nicked -there are a few too many year 12 parties in November, sure, and I now hate cracker night (since moving back to Canberra in 1999 and losing a letterbox or two) but I can live with that – it’s part of the statistical bulge I mentioned in my previous post.

I am just so sick of being steretoyped by ignorants. For example, if you think of Kambah as povvie, you obviously have no idea -have you SEEN the houses at Gleneagles?

I also get really really annoyed at the media when they label a school in incidents such as these. If the incident had occurred at Jamison, for instance, would the location have been called ‘the school car park’ (given its location adjacent to Canberra High)? It seems to me that most journalists have no idea about Tuggeranong either, given that they all work at (and probably reside near) Dickson, Watson, Mitchell etc. And don’t get me started on politicians.

miz said :

(But I have no idea how or why this is a Sydney-style of stabbing, unless PBO is expert in schoolyard stabbing methods…)

I called it that because there always seems to be schoolyard stabbings up there and it rhymes, I would have used Brisbane in the title but it is hard to alliterate. Personally I think that it is BS when folks use knives.

Try a spoon, it takes more skill and it is blunt so it hurts more.

Swaggie said :

Just nuke Kambah and Richardson, add a small area of Gordon and all the problems on the Southside will vanish

Even though the stabbing was in Wanniassa.

OMG!
I had no idea I moved to a country that was similar to China.
Who decided what was troublesome and who paid for the move? Was it whole families? People with children I suppose.

So Civic? Is Civic it’s own or does it belong to the North or South.
Seems I always hear of things happening down there around the clubs.
The whole north south thing is silly in my eyes.

Just nuke Kambah and Richardson, add a small area of Gordon and all the problems on the Southside will vanish

Miz said:

Also I find the constant insinuations that Tuggeranong has more thugs than other areas very irritating. I think you’ll find that loutish behaviour goes with the territory when you have a statistical bulge of teens . . . so look out, Gungers, you’re next – nothing to do with the Northside/Southside divide, so please stop villifying Tuggers.

I am a Canberran born and bred… but have recently moved across the boarder to Queanbeyan (a nice part of Queanbeyan) and I am quite enjoying myself there.
Queanbeyan gets it’s fair share of knocks on this website, but am I arcing up?
Hell no… it’s a joke… build a bridge.

And yeah… there are parts of Queanbeyan.
You Canberrans stick to the main street, so we can enjoy the real country town behind the slovenly facade ;p

Mine was submitted yesterday after I’d had a walk around the Hyperdome in my lunchbreak, where I overheard my gossip from the 3pm influx of teens.
I heard “Some student stabbed a guy over drugs”, “Some druggo stabbed a student”, and “Some guys stabbed a student’s boyfriend”.
I assumed students would know if students were stabbing other students.

But there’s more coverage from the Crimes and Louis Andrews mentioning (assuming the pair ‘assisting with enquiries’ are perpetrators) that neither stabber or stabbee were students, just “related to students”.
It also looks like it was the carpark shared with the library, but which is primarily used by students.

miz said :

Also I find the constant insinuations that Tuggeranong has more thugs than other areas very irritating. I think you’ll find that loutish behaviour goes with the territory when you have a statistical bulge of teens…

However, having lived for my first two decades in and around Tuggeranong, I submit that Wanniassa\Gowrie\Monash\Isabella Palins currently have greater-than-normal bogan density, as well as the teen bulge due to being the Nappy Valley of yesteryear, but Lanyon has some exceptional social issues of its own.
(But I have no idea how or why this is a Sydney-style of stabbing, unless PBO is expert in schoolyard stabbing methods…)

miz said :

Also I find the constant insinuations that Tuggeranong has more thugs than other areas very irritating. I think you’ll find that loutish behaviour goes with the territory when you have a statistical bulge of teens . . . so look out, Gungers, you’re next – nothing to do with the Northside/Southside divide, so please stop villifying Tuggers.

Actually there is more to the divide than you realise, during the build up to the olympics many troublesome families were relocated (psuedo-gentrification)from Sydney to places like Isabella Plains and such. With that the crime rate soared at the time and we are now used to it and accept it as daily life.

I’ll take your accusation of villifying and vindicate it.

Pommy bastard said :

“Sydney style schoolyard stabbing”, do they stab in a different style in Melbourne schools?

Apparently so, they dance differently in Melbourne (Melbourne Shuffle), so why not stab differently? Sydney they stab upper body so why wouldnt Melbournians (Melbourne Stab Shuffle?) stab the lower part? We could call it Mexican style.

All of the tags and references to ‘schoolyard stabbings’ seem a little misleading since the police are saying that the victim was not a student at Erindale.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/10/2841447.htm

Tuggeranong has more thugs than other areas.

Yep. So unfair. As if you’ld never see any criminal behaviour anywhere else …

http://www.afp.gov.au/media/act_media/media_releases.html

Also I find the constant insinuations that Tuggeranong has more thugs than other areas very irritating. I think you’ll find that loutish behaviour goes with the territory when you have a statistical bulge of teens . . . so look out, Gungers, you’re next – nothing to do with the Northside/Southside divide, so please stop villifying Tuggers.

The carpark is probably the one that is shared by the public library and health club and shopping centre users. I understand the offender is not a student. Seems unfair to implicate the school given this info . . .

Pommy bastard9:02 am 10 Mar 10

“Sydney style schoolyard stabbing”, do they stab in a different style in Melbourne schools?

“ACT Policing is investigating a stabbing in a car park outside a South Canberra College which occurred about 1pm today (March 9).

Initial enquiries reveal that this incident appears to be a targeted attack and was not within the school grounds. No other injuries or incidents have been reported to police from the school today.

So the carpark is not part of school grounds.

Well maybe this kid should go learn self defense so in future this wont happen.

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