Synthetic cannabis outlawed in the ACT

johnboy 8 July 2011 47

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ACT Health has has announced that synthetic cannabis has been outlawed in the ACT as of today:

On the 6 July 2011, the Australian Government Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) announced that it had taken measures to list a range of synthetic cannabinoids (synthetic cannabis) as prohibited substances under Commonwealth law, effective 8 July 2011.

The ACT has automatically adopted these changes under local medicines laws. From 8 July 2011 it will be illegal to manufacture, obtain, possess, supply, sell and/or use products containing synthetic cannabis in the ACT.

There will be an amnesty until 1 August.

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earthrepair earthrepair 12:26 am 15 Jul 11

HEMP/Cannabis legalisation would help control abuse and boost the Australian economy
through the creation of many new businesses and jobs. It would also eliminate a black market and the
police corruption associated with organised crime. Unjust and misguided laws erode people’s faith in
our judicial system and police services. Current cannabis prohibitionist policies waste community resources which would be far better applied to education and health programs about the dangers of all substance abuse.
That is – Education Not Prohibition.

Cannabis is an important medicinal herb that helps alleviate pain and suffering such as
the nausea and lack of appetite associated with chemotherapy and possibly in a multitude of other conditions. The immorality of the prohibitionist approach prevents full scale trials from occurring.
Cannabis as medicine is best not smoked (to mix wuth tobacco is adulteration) and may be taken in measured doses as tablets,capsules, lozenges, tea, tincture, oil etc. However if people choose to smoke, in their own environment, taking the high moral ground and telling them they cannot is wrong and immoral.

At present the ridiculous policy in Australia means that hemp as a food is not allowed. Yet the oil is one of the most nutritious available.

Prohibition means there is no quality control (supports a crime driven hydroponic industry) and increases dangers such as schizophrenia : which was the last straw that the misguided prohibitionist was holding on to.

what_the what_the 8:31 pm 14 Jul 11

Interestingly enough I was just watching a show on SBS about the history of america, and it touched on Prohibition. Lead to a mass outbreak of mafia crime, Al Capone was earning $1500 a minute in todays money, and was the only Amendment to the Constitution ever to be repealed. Funny how they learnt the lessons back then, and we’re still yet to learn them today.

Kiron2222 Kiron2222 12:00 am 14 Jul 11

Good documentary out there called “Is Alcohol Worse Than Ecstasy?” and “Ecstasy Rising”, just google them and check both out.

Is Alcohol Worse Than Ecstasy is a documentary listing at the moment the “Top 20” drugs in means to harms to ones self and society, Alcohol comes in at 3, Marijuana 11, Ecstasy (MDMA) 18 I believe.

Ecstasy Rising is the history of Ecstasy and it’s reclassification to Class A that came out of nowhere and wasn’t backed by any science and then the Government conducting bogus tests using Meth injected at several times lethal dosages then putting reports out that “ecstasy causes holes in the brain” and crap like that.

Why watch the documentaries? because both show that the War on Drugs is more a Moral crusade propaganda war that is based around fear mongering and hushing up science, It was not long ago that England entire Government drug council was fired because they recommended MDMA be reclassified to C instead of A and that the Government stance was based on no science whatsoever.

“Also, your argument is “These things are bad too, so it should be legal?”

Yes, Alcohol prohibition is seen as one of the largest Government failures in history and is constantly mocked by everyone, yet the War on Drugs which is a war on drugs that most are vastly less harmful than Alcohol is still going strong and supported by people who don’t have a clue. Hell Khat is being targeted at the moment WTF, what next Caffeine?

“Awesome, well if that’s the case, lets legalese cocaine, heroin, murder, and automatic weapons, because Hey, booze can kill too!”

MDMA, Ecstasy, LSD are nothing like Murder and Automatic Weapons, what are you talking about?

Heroin and Cocaine should be reclassified to B so they can be studied.

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2010/11/20101106_WOC504_0.gif
Also, enjoy chart.

Mr_Clapp Mr_Clapp 4:58 pm 13 Jul 11

The market will always want higher levels of THC but with legalisation comes regulation, control and accountability (although from what I hear the cannabis that the CSIRO cultivates is genius). I want higher levels of THC but that is my own choice, providing people with education and choice when it comes to what they want to smoke is far better then people going in blind and not knowing what they are getting.

Education will always win over prohibition – it’s just too bad that the people behind prohibition have know education.

fgzk fgzk 4:46 pm 13 Jul 11

Tooks said :

This is just another instance where prohibition has caused more harm then good. THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) and CBD (Cannabidiol) are the 2 main chemicals that make up Cannabis. Now for you kids playing at home THC is what gets you high and the market demands higher levels of THC in their cannabis.

So if it was legal, the market would no longer demand high levels of THC?

If it was legal, then the level of THC and CBD would be clearly labeled on the packet. The market would then be free to decide what it buys.

Tooks Tooks 3:39 pm 13 Jul 11

This is just another instance where prohibition has caused more harm then good. THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) and CBD (Cannabidiol) are the 2 main chemicals that make up Cannabis. Now for you kids playing at home THC is what gets you high and the market demands higher levels of THC in their cannabis.

So if it was legal, the market would no longer demand high levels of THC?

Mr_Clapp Mr_Clapp 12:00 pm 13 Jul 11

Spideydog said :

johnboy said :

correlation does not equal causation.

Well that throws the stats argument out the window, because that’s all they are.

Besides, I wrote “personal experience”. In no way was I trying to proport that this was a scientific analysis. It was purely that, from personal experience.

Regardless of my personal experiences, there has been numerous research undertaken that shows a very high proportion of persons with MH are regular cannabis users.

This is just another instance where prohibition has caused more harm then good. THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) and CBD (Cannabidiol) are the 2 main chemicals that make up Cannabis. Now for you kids playing at home THC is what gets you high and the market demands higher levels of THC in their cannabis. The problem? When you increase the THC levels you decrease the CBD levels and this isn’t how evolution intended us to consume cannabis. CBD has been proven many times over that it protects us from developing schizophrenia and is now used by people living with schizophrenia to treat the effects with little to no side effects unlike the variety of man made chemicals these people would usually be taking. Prohibition caused the reduction of the chemical that the plant itself was kind enough to develop to protect us. So the prohibition that you love so much of the drug that you blame for harming your loved ones will continue to harm people with a predisposition to schizophrenia if you keep fighting to keep it illegal.

00davist 00davist 11:22 pm 12 Jul 11

Just to clarify, as the quote has not worked properly.

My above comment begins at:

“I certainly don’t agree with the ‘war’ on drugs approach, I’m just not happy with the idea of legalising them.”

00davist 00davist 11:21 pm 12 Jul 11

Violet68 said :

Awesome, well if that’s the case, lets legalese cocaine, heroin, murder, and automatic weapons, because Hey, booze can kill too!

your head is in the sand, and its clear that is where it will stay! (and that will remain clearly visible here, for a long time!)

I would like to see “illegal substances” regulated and tested to try and “sift out” the crap that people with dependencies are consuming/ingesting and to try and make them affordable to reduce related crime. It’s possible to become “addicted” to all sorts of things – exercise, gambling, chocolate, coffee, sex, plastic surgery, bungee jumping….whatever floats your boat. Addictions/Dependence can consume a life whether they are legal or not. MI can also be triggered by stress, hormones during life cycle changes (adolescence, pregnancy), trauma. Laying blame on the substance or the user/abuser isn’t going to make people stop using/abusing (whatever you want to call it).

The War on Drugs hasn’t been successful in America, so why would it be here? I’d like to think we can try different approaches in Australia and avoid taking up ideologies that have failed elsewhere.

I certainly don’t agree with the war on drugs approach, I’m just not happy with the idea of legalising them.

We may not have 100% proven cannabis as a cause of Schizophrenia, and i realise that the correlation will also be effected by the number of people who already have schizophrenia, and turn to cannabis in an attempt to self medicate.

However, there is also no conclusive proof to the opposite effect. meaning no one can sit here and say for certain that it does not cause Mental Illness, further, there is a correlation, and one that seems to have a strong standing (at least by my perception)

My concern is that legalising this substance would lead to an increase in cases of schizophrenia, as while we cant prove it will, we cant prove it wont either, and so we really need to think long and hard about the risk it poses to society.

Further, it is already difficult enough for someone with schizophrenia, or any mental illness to get the help they need, and steer clear of self medication of any form.

I feel it would be a bad move to make self medicating with cannabis easier, rather than trying to focus more on why people are self medicating, and therefore focusing not on legalising drugs, but improving our mental health care system.

Many people with mental illness turn to illegal, and legal drugs, in an attempt to self medicate, these people need help dealing with there mental illness, not help to self medicate with substances that really don’t help with the problem, and could well be making it worse, or at least making it harder to take control of.

Violet68 Violet68 10:53 pm 12 Jul 11

Spideydog said :

Violet68 said :

The War on Drugs hasn’t been successful in America, so why would it be here? I’d like to think we can try different approaches in Australia and avoid taking up ideologies that have failed elsewhere.

Knowing the destructive nature of drug use on health, emotional and financial fronts, I don’t want to see them legalised just because apparently we aren’t winning ……. you don’t give in because its in the too hard basket !!!

I’m not suggesting giving in. I just don’t want to see a health issue criminalised. The law is not a detterent, nor should the AMC be used as a rehab or secure mental health facility for people with comorbidity. The apparent solution is to punish those in the “too hard basket” with criminal penalties or jail. I fail to see how that resolves anything. Regulating substances means reducing the harm they cause on many levels.

You can’t put your finger on stuff that is illegal. Cost and availabilty are key factors in driving the market. People use drugs for a myriad of reasons and have done for centuries. You take out one dealer and another will pop up somewhere closeby. This is undoubtedly a market that cannot be stopped by laws.

Spideydog Spideydog 9:43 pm 12 Jul 11

Violet68 said :

The War on Drugs hasn’t been successful in America, so why would it be here? I’d like to think we can try different approaches in Australia and avoid taking up ideologies that have failed elsewhere.

Knowing the destructive nature of drug use on health, emotional and financial fronts, I don’t want to see them legalised just because apparently we aren’t winning ……. you don’t give in because its in the too hard basket !!!

Violet68 Violet68 9:14 pm 12 Jul 11

Awesome, well if that’s the case, lets legalese cocaine, heroin, murder, and automatic weapons, because Hey, booze can kill too!

your head is in the sand, and its clear that is where it will stay! (and that will remain clearly visible here, for a long time!)

I would like to see “illegal substances” regulated and tested to try and “sift out” the crap that people with dependencies are consuming/ingesting and to try and make them affordable to reduce related crime. It’s possible to become “addicted” to all sorts of things – exercise, gambling, chocolate, coffee, sex, plastic surgery, bungee jumping….whatever floats your boat. Addictions/Dependence can consume a life whether they are legal or not. MI can also be triggered by stress, hormones during life cycle changes (adolescence, pregnancy), trauma. Laying blame on the substance or the user/abuser isn’t going to make people stop using/abusing (whatever you want to call it).

The War on Drugs hasn’t been successful in America, so why would it be here? I’d like to think we can try different approaches in Australia and avoid taking up ideologies that have failed elsewhere.

00davist 00davist 6:41 pm 12 Jul 11

fragge said :

00davist said :

Cheap said :

Spideydog said :

Mr_Clapp said :

buzz819 said :

For all you pro-dope fiends have a read:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-pro-marijuana-arguments-that-arent-helping/

Nice article from America.

Not getting into the stupidity behind it becoming illegal in the 1st place, I feel the main reason for the legalisation of cannabis is a pretty simple one.

The only deaths that are attributed to Cannabis have been caused by making it illegal. It is that simple a child could see that. As long as a virtually harmless plant that has been used for thousands of years remains illegal, people will continue to die trying to make a dollar (billions) out of it. Anyone that supports the continuing prohibition on Cannabis supports the deaths that are associated with it.

If you truly believe that cannabis is not related to any deaths or indeed any health issues (including mental illness), you been smoking a lot of the said product …………..

Where do you draw the line for what caused an event?

His own actions (smoking before driving) led to the crash, not the substance itself. There are plenty of things which aren’t safe when in the wrong hands or for the wrong purpose.

How about the deaths attributed to psychotic outbreaks of schizophrenia brought on by the long term use of marijuana?

By all means, show some examples champ. Oh, and the research that shows a direct link between Cannabis usage over time and development of Schizophrenia (excluding the ages under 21 – all psychoactive chemicals can present an increased risk of developing schizophrenic symptoms during this time).

As an aside, I find it amusing the people here commenting with stuff like marijuana “may increase risk of schizophrenia” (itself a collection of organically inconsistent synapse connections, not a single measurable illness that can be triggered on/off) and makes a user a “useless, dumb lump” (subjective). I’d like to compare this substance with a couple of others that many of you will be familiar with and may support the controlled/responsible usage of:

Alcohol (~$4-7 p/standard unit) [LEGAL]
– Impaired judgement/memory/muscle control
– Blurred vision/delayed reactions
– Anterograde amnesia
– Increased risk of depression/anxiety
– Risk of drug-induced anxietal psychosis
– Increased risk of cancer (3.6% of world cancers caused by Alcohol abuse)
– Vomiting/coma/death
– Liver/kidney damage
– Brain damage
– Alcohol dependence
– Tremors/quakes/long-term memory degradation
– ~100k confirmed deaths attributed to this drug each YEAR.

Tobacco (~$0.72 p/standard unit) [LEGAL]
– Reduced immuno-effectivity
– Increased risk of depression/anxiety
– Lung/throat/mouth damage
– Reduced bloodflow/increased risk of circulatory disease or failure
– Increased risk of lung/throat/mouth/pancreatic/bladder/larynxal cancer
– Emphysema
– Secondhand smoke causes cancer (apparently)
– Nicotine addiction/withdrawals
– 33-50% of users will be killed by usage
– ~5.4m confirmed deaths attributed to this drug each YEAR.

Cannabis (~$0.90 p/standard unit) [ILLEGAL]
– Lung/throat/mouth damage
– Reduced immuno-effectivity
– Increased risk of depression/anxiety
– Risk of drug-induced anxietal psychosis
– Increased risk of cancer (non-specific)
– Emphysema
– ~0 confirmed deaths attributed to this drug each YEAR.

Please note, the confirmed deaths numbers are from online sources (and are approximations), and do not take into account car accidents caused by any kind of drug intoxication (irrelevant to comparative health detriments).

Please use some common sense and google before you start publishing crap online, remember that what you write stays published for a very long time (unlike a conversation), and many ignorant eyes will pass over your misinformation before it is scrubbed from the annals of history.

Back on topic, emergency banning this substance is in principle a poor choice (though fully in-line with our existing policies and thus appropriate), though the ban does give time for chemical analysis (which I doubt will be performed very rigorously in this country) and case studies to determine long-term ill effects of K2 and other synthetics. As these drugs are similar to THC in chemical structure but contain extra bonds or “tails” that don’t occur in natural THC, there is every possibility that they are more (or less) harmful to the human body than THC. I know one thing though, they’re bloody potent.

Examples? How bout you pull your head out and meet them!

Also, your argument is “These things are bad too, so it should be legal?

Awesome, well if that’s the case, lets legalese cocaine, heroin, murder, and automatic weapons, because Hey, booze can kill too!

your head is in the sand, and its clear that is where it will stay! (and that will remain clearly visible here, for a long time!)

Kiron2222 Kiron2222 4:59 pm 12 Jul 11

I knew many, many normal functioning members of society and then they discovered World of Warcraft.

I knew some who lost their jobs, I knew some that failed university, all of it attributed to addiction of World of Warcraft, some clocking up 100+ hours of game time a week.

World of Warcraft should be banned, for it ruins lives.

Spideydog Spideydog 11:55 am 12 Jul 11

johnboy said :

correlation does not equal causation.

Well that throws the stats argument out the window, because that’s all they are.

Besides, I wrote “personal experience”. In no way was I trying to proport that this was a scientific analysis. It was purely that, from personal experience.

Regardless of my personal experiences, there has been numerous research undertaken that shows a very high proportion of persons with MH are regular cannabis users.

johnboy johnboy 11:36 am 12 Jul 11

correlation does not equal causation.

Spideydog Spideydog 11:31 am 12 Jul 11

johnboy said :

I bet 100% of them were food eaters too.

And ?

Spideydog Spideydog 11:31 am 12 Jul 11

The_TaxMan said :

Ask a copper why it’s illegal and their stock answer is “because it is”.

Thats funny, police including health workers and MH workers are the ones on the front line dealing with these people on the drug with the associated health effects. I am pretty sure they would have more to say than “because it is”

Anyways, on the internet there is arguments for and against cannabis use and each will have thier onw associated stats to go with it. So we can sit here and throw “who to believe” internet stats and go nowhere.

Spideydog Spideydog 11:20 am 12 Jul 11

fragge said :

Cannabis (~$0.90 p/standard unit) [ILLEGAL]
– Lung/throat/mouth damage
– Reduced immuno-effectivity
– Increased risk of depression/anxiety
– Risk of drug-induced anxietal psychosis
– Increased risk of cancer (non-specific)
– Emphysema
– ~0 confirmed deaths attributed to this drug each YEAR.

Please note, the confirmed deaths numbers are from online sources (and are approximations), and do not take into account car accidents caused by any kind of drug intoxication (irrelevant to comparative health detriments).

So lung/throat/mouth damage can’t cause death. Emphysema doesn’t cause death. Cancer doesn’t cause death. Depression leading to suicide doesn’t cause death. These are from your own stats gained from GOOGLE …… lol

Here’s a google search for you: “Vampires are real” gets 35,700,000 hits …….. It must be true then !!!!!

It is also quite convenient that you don’t include “road deaths” in your stats because you know that it will show deaths were high levels of cannabis was present after autopsy.

Most cannabis users are also tobacco smokers, so when deaths are recorded, guess what they go down as …… tobacco related illness, forgetting that cannabis use also has the same, but more effects.

I have a great deal of contact with the poor souls that have mental illness and guess what, in personal experience, 99.9% of them are or have been regular cannabis users. I don’t need stats to tell me that.

Can you guys please post where exactly these pro-drugs stats were gained from, instead of just “google search” so that the merits of these “stats” can be looked at.

The_TaxMan The_TaxMan 10:03 am 12 Jul 11

kakosi said :

People can smoke what they like but I know three people who smoked heavily who became schizophrenic. They were all intelligent people who thought this drug was a harmless soft option.

Whilst I can empathise with your comments it still does not detract from the fact that marijuana compared to Alcohol and cigarettes is about as harmful as cotton wool and yes i can imagine that if you were to eat 3 tonnes of cotton wool it may indeed give you an upset stomach or the chemicals used in it’s manufacture may cause to psychological harm in the greater scheme of things it’s still cotton wool and unlikely to kill you.Please people IF you intend to argue the evils of weed PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do your research and argue from a point of knowledge and don’t just spew out rhetoric fed to you by politicians and coppers that have no idea at all. Ask a copper why it’s illegal and their stock answer is “because it is”.

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