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T2 for Barry Drive?

By johnboy - 14 February 2012 49

The Liberals’ Zed Seselja has announced he’d make the Barry Drive bus lane a T2 if he gets elected.

“The Canberra Liberals will move to open this lane to T2 Traffic, that is all vehicles with two or more passengers on board. The infrastructure is there, but we don’t use it. It will cost nothing, and can instantly improve the drive to work for thousands of Canberrans.

“We led the way by pushing this idea on the ACT Labor government and succeeded in opening up Adelaide Avenue that had the same out of date restrictions. That has freed up that road enormously,” said Zed.

Shadow Transport Services Minister and local Belconnen Member Alistair Coe added, “The lane along Barry Drive is currently only open to buses and taxis, despite Barry Drive carrying up to 27,000 vehicles per day. Closing the third lane to nothing but busses – and busses that aren’t that frequent – is a massive waste and poor planning. Our idea opens Belconnen up just that bit more every day for all those travelling in by car.

Is a bus lane anywhere safe now?

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NoImRight 3:55 pm 16 Feb 12

rhino said :

Keijidosha said :

rhino said :

Yeah I realise it isn’t 10kms long. But at 80kph in 8 minutes you travel 10kms. Therefore the buses are 10kms apart or 6.67kms if 5 minutes. The point is that even at peak hour when there are hundreds of cars flying past packed together, that bus lane is hardly being used.

That’s the kind of bizarre logic Zed and Coe are counting on on to push through their wacky T2 plan.

How is that bizarre? There is 2kms of completely unused lane for 6 whole minutes every morning until ONE bus comes along and starts driving along it for a few minutes. In that time hundreds of cars have passed.

What is your logic that informs you that other vehicles also making use of this lane wouldn’t be better?

So your plan is to make another lane bumper to bumper to improve traffic flow?

rhino 3:30 pm 16 Feb 12

Keijidosha said :

rhino said :

Yeah I realise it isn’t 10kms long. But at 80kph in 8 minutes you travel 10kms. Therefore the buses are 10kms apart or 6.67kms if 5 minutes. The point is that even at peak hour when there are hundreds of cars flying past packed together, that bus lane is hardly being used.

That’s the kind of bizarre logic Zed and Coe are counting on on to push through their wacky T2 plan.

How is that bizarre? There is 2kms of completely unused lane for 6 whole minutes every morning until ONE bus comes along and starts driving along it for a few minutes. In that time hundreds of cars have passed.

What is your logic that informs you that other vehicles also making use of this lane wouldn’t be better?

Keijidosha 3:01 pm 16 Feb 12

rhino said :

Yeah I realise it isn’t 10kms long. But at 80kph in 8 minutes you travel 10kms. Therefore the buses are 10kms apart or 6.67kms if 5 minutes. The point is that even at peak hour when there are hundreds of cars flying past packed together, that bus lane is hardly being used.

That’s the kind of bizarre logic Zed and Coe are counting on on to push through their wacky T2 plan.

rhino 2:08 pm 16 Feb 12

thatsnotme said :

rhino said :

Wow one vehicle every 8 minutes for 50% of the day. So there may be 1 bus for every 10kms of that lane during peak hour. Considering you could fit 2000 cars in that same space if it were bumper to bumper, I hardly think that is optimizing the number of people using the lane.

Obviously it won’t be bumper to bumper for a whole 10km stretch, but it will certainly be hundreds of cars for 1 bus. If all the other cars could flow that much better, I’m sure the bus would be able to drive and pick up people still as per normal.

10km? I think you’re talking about a different bus lane, because the one we’re talking about here is 2km on Barry Drive, and there are no stops until right at the end of the lane opposite the ANU.

Yeah I realise it isn’t 10kms long. But at 80kph in 8 minutes you travel 10kms. Therefore the buses are 10kms apart or 6.67kms if 5 minutes. The point is that even at peak hour when there are hundreds of cars flying past packed together, that bus lane is hardly being used.

rhino 1:50 pm 16 Feb 12

Keijidosha said :

rhino said :

I very much agree with this idea. I never saw the point in closing a lane only to leave it empty most of the time and the others chockers and then fine anyone with the common sense to want to use the empty lane.

No lane was closed, the Government built an additional lane for buses which technically freed up space in the other two lanes for more cars.

It was closed to me. I could not access it. I’m all for building lanes, but am against limiting them to 1 vehicle every 10kms.

thatsnotme 1:42 pm 16 Feb 12

rhino said :

Wow one vehicle every 8 minutes for 50% of the day. So there may be 1 bus for every 10kms of that lane during peak hour. Considering you could fit 2000 cars in that same space if it were bumper to bumper, I hardly think that is optimizing the number of people using the lane.

Obviously it won’t be bumper to bumper for a whole 10km stretch, but it will certainly be hundreds of cars for 1 bus. If all the other cars could flow that much better, I’m sure the bus would be able to drive and pick up people still as per normal.

10km? I think you’re talking about a different bus lane, because the one we’re talking about here is 2km on Barry Drive, and there are no stops until right at the end of the lane opposite the ANU.

Keijidosha 1:32 pm 16 Feb 12

rhino said :

I very much agree with this idea. I never saw the point in closing a lane only to leave it empty most of the time and the others chockers and then fine anyone with the common sense to want to use the empty lane.

No lane was closed, the Government built an additional lane for buses which technically freed up space in the other two lanes for more cars.

rhino 1:27 pm 16 Feb 12

nsn said :

“Busses that aren’t that frequent”

Really?

According to Action, there is a bus in the 300 series doing the intertown run every 5-8 minutes from 7am-7pm Monday-Friday. Just how much more frequent would the Liberals make the intertown busses?

Wow one vehicle every 8 minutes for 50% of the day. So there may be 1 bus for every 10kms of that lane during peak hour. Considering you could fit 2000 cars in that same space if it were bumper to bumper, I hardly think that is optimizing the number of people using the lane.

Obviously it won’t be bumper to bumper for a whole 10km stretch, but it will certainly be hundreds of cars for 1 bus. If all the other cars could flow that much better, I’m sure the bus would be able to drive and pick up people still as per normal.

rhino 1:16 pm 16 Feb 12

I very much agree with this idea. I never saw the point in closing a lane only to leave it empty most of the time and the others chockers and then fine anyone with the common sense to want to use the empty lane.

Aeek 10:13 pm 15 Feb 12

broken quoting, tiliqua NOT me

Aeek 10:11 pm 15 Feb 12

tiliqua said :

BicycleCanberra said :

…you have to start and stay in that lane for its entire length as it is a solid white line.

Actually that’s not correct. From the Australian Road Rules (http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/ni/db_37271/default.asp):

Moving from one marked lane to another marked lane across a continuous line separating the lanes
A driver on a multi-lane road must not move from one marked lane to another marked lane by crossing a continuous line separating the lanes unless:

(c) the driver is permitted to drive in both marked lanes under another provision of the Australian Road Rules or under another law of this jurisdiction; or
(d) either of the marked lanes is a special purpose lane in which the driver is permitted to drive under the Australian Road Rules and the driver is moving to or from the special purpose lane.

Simplifying: you can’t cross an unbroken lane divider
UNLESS
c) you are allowed to straddle two lanes = Heavy vehicle (when needed)
d) its special – bus lane, T2, bike lane, etc and you are allowed to be there
note. you are allowed to enter a bike lane for ??m(more than the broken lines) to turn left/exit

JessP 12:32 pm 15 Feb 12

ML-585 said

ML-585 said :

The Lib’s Public Transport strategy is clear: (1) convert all Bus Lanes to T2 (2) convert all T2 lanes to regular traffic lanes (3) ACTION’s patronage decreases due to increased travel times on main routes, so slash funding to ACTION (4) ACTION’s patronage decreases further due to reduced services, so contract-out ACTION to private sector.

The ACT Governments Transport strategy is:

– Build new roads but build at 50% of the size needed, decide to duplicate them at enormous cost and more inconvenience
– Make the ACTION bus network unworkable for anyone who works more than 2 interchanges away from their home (Home in Evatt to Woden Interchange in 65 minutes? I dont think so!)
– Penalise anyone who dares drive a car by making parking expensive then by increasing the cost by at least an additional $1-2 per year.

Need I go on?

ML-585 11:46 am 15 Feb 12

The Lib’s Public Transport strategy is clear: (1) convert all Bus Lanes to T2 (2) convert all T2 lanes to regular traffic lanes (3) ACTION’s patronage decreases due to increased travel times on main routes, so slash funding to ACTION (4) ACTION’s patronage decreases further due to reduced services, so contract-out ACTION to private sector.

Very Busy 10:52 am 15 Feb 12

bryansworld said :

A lot of people in Canberra ignore these unbroken lines. It is really annoying when you obey the law and some doofus gets in the way because they don’t. On Commonwealth Avenue I wait until the line between lanes becomes broken before changing – to find I have to negotiate my way around some smart arse that thinks they are above the law. Small issue, but annoying.

Yep, just another one of our road rules that isn’t subject to enforcement because speeding is all that matters!!!!

bryansworld 10:37 am 15 Feb 12

tiliqua said :

BicycleCanberra said :

…you have to start and stay in that lane for its entire length as it is a solid white line.

Actually that’s not correct. From the Australian Road Rules (http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/ni/db_37271/default.asp):

Moving from one marked lane to another marked lane across a continuous line separating the lanes
A driver on a multi-lane road must not move from one marked lane to another marked lane by crossing a continuous line separating the lanes unless:

(c) the driver is permitted to drive in both marked lanes under another provision of the Australian Road Rules or under another law of this jurisdiction; or
(d) either of the marked lanes is a special purpose lane in which the driver is permitted to drive under the Australian Road Rules and the driver is moving to or from the special purpose lane.

A lot of people in Canberra ignore these unbroken lines. It is really annoying when you obey the law and some doofus gets in the way because they don’t. On Commonwealth Avenue I wait until the line between lanes becomes broken before changing – to find I have to negotiate my way around some smart arse that thinks they are above the law. Small issue, but annoying.

davo101 9:59 am 15 Feb 12

BicycleCanberra said :

The rule in the Road rules is up to regional interpretations.

So then where does it say in the ACT regulations that rule 147 (c) doesn’t apply here?

Very Busy 9:33 am 15 Feb 12

Re: northbound T2 lane on Adelaide Ave.

It is a solid line right from the start with the exception of a 50 metre section of broken line just past Hopetoun Cct. You can’t enter that lane without crossing a broken line until you get past Hopetoun Cct.

Google Earth will demonstrate this.

Innovation 9:07 am 15 Feb 12

BicycleCanberra said :

Very Busy said :

BicycleCanberra said :

Very Busy said :

Err +1. but anyway, Mr BicycleCanberra, could you please explain to me how I can legally enter the northbound T2 lane on Adelaide Ave?

You need to enter that lane just after the roundabout in Woden at the start of Yarra Glen then exit on Adelaide ave near Parliament House

So what is it? In #3 you imply that the solid white line can’t be crossed and in #19 you say it can. You’ve lost me.

The Transit lane starts just after the roundabout in Woden and finishes on the next to parliament House. So you are not crossing the solid white line.

The rule in the Road rules is up to regional interpretations. When a transit lane is on the left like they are in Sydney you can enter that lane to turn left. This lane is on the right and the line is unbroken for its length.

I think you’ll find that there is at least one broken section along Adelaide Avenue and Yarra Glen.

BicycleCanberra 8:39 am 15 Feb 12

Very Busy said :

BicycleCanberra said :

Very Busy said :

Err +1. but anyway, Mr BicycleCanberra, could you please explain to me how I can legally enter the northbound T2 lane on Adelaide Ave?

You need to enter that lane just after the roundabout in Woden at the start of Yarra Glen then exit on Adelaide ave near Parliament House

So what is it? In #3 you imply that the solid white line can’t be crossed and in #19 you say it can. You’ve lost me.

The Transit lane starts just after the roundabout in Woden and finishes on the next to parliament House. So you are not crossing the solid white line.

The rule in the Road rules is up to regional interpretations. When a transit lane is on the left like they are in Sydney you can enter that lane to turn left. This lane is on the right and the line is unbroken for its length.

Aeek 7:58 pm 14 Feb 12

The bus stop at the end of the Barry Drive bus lane will be fun for spectators.

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