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Talk before you taser

By johnboy - 25 October 2012 79

The ABC has a piece on the use of tasers by the constabulary:

A report has found only half of the ACT police officers who drew their Tasers tried to negotiate or de-escalate the situation first.

The Ombudsman conceded it is not unreasonable in some cases for those techniques not to be used, given the speed at which some incidents unfold.

To be fair the sample sizes are a bit small to be drawing conclusions.

But while we’re here…

What’s Your opinion?


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Talk before you taser
aceofspades 4:35 pm 25 Oct 12

bigfeet said :

If you read the article you will see that ‘used’ has a pretty broad definition. It includes just drawing it from its holster. Tasers were only actually fired on three occasions.

I would hazard a guess that in every other instance the negotiations took place after drawing . Something like this: ‘Get on the ground or I’ll taze you’. The grub is given two options, it’s up to him which one he takes. Most appear to have taken option one thereby not requiring a tazing. Now that is good negotiation skills!

That is exactly the problem. Anybody that a police officer has anything to do with is automatically assumed to be a “grub” regardless of the situation. I have no doubt that many young police officers have the best of intentions when they join the force but years of dealing with the filth of society turns them into filth themselves. They end up the worst filth of all, filth with a badge and a gun that under absolutely no circumstances will admit they may have made a mistake.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 4:33 pm 25 Oct 12

c_c™ said :

The problem is the accepted role of tasers seems to have shifted. Remember in the early days they made it clear they were an alternative to lethal force options and would specifically not be used as a compliance device. Well, they clearly are been used as a compliance device.

Exactly. Any police that uses a taser on someone for non compliance or mouthing off needs to be up on assault charges.

c_c™ 4:20 pm 25 Oct 12

The problem is the accepted role of tasers seems to have shifted. Remember in the early days they made it clear they were an alternative to lethal force options and would specifically not be used as a compliance device. Well, they clearly are been used as a compliance device.

bigfeet 3:54 pm 25 Oct 12

If you read the article you will see that ‘used’ has a pretty broad definition. It includes just drawing it from its holster. Tasers were only actually fired on three occasions.

I would hazard a guess that in every other instance the negotiations took place after drawing . Something like this: ‘Get on the ground or I’ll taze you’. The grub is given two options, it’s up to him which one he takes. Most appear to have taken option one thereby not requiring a tazing. Now that is good negotiation skills!

Tooks 3:46 pm 25 Oct 12

aceofspades said :

Tooks said :

Wow (comments 1 and 2), my very own Riot Act stalkers trying to get a bite. Sorry lads, no dice! Have a lovely day though 🙂

Oh Tooks, I am so disappointed, I love your banter! I didn’t realise that reading RA posts came under the category of stalking though. Do you wanna call a cop?

When you start naming me in your posts in an attempt to elicit a snarky response, then it kind of feels like stalking. I just thought it was…a little odd.

bundah 3:34 pm 25 Oct 12

aceofspades said :

Tooks said :

Wow (comments 1 and 2), my very own Riot Act stalkers trying to get a bite. Sorry lads, no dice! Have a lovely day though 🙂

Oh Tooks, I am so disappointed, I love your banter! I didn’t realise that reading RA posts came under the category of stalking though. Do you wanna call a cop?

What Tooks is a cop? surely not!

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 3:29 pm 25 Oct 12

Johnny_Moe said :

The main problem with cops, more so constables, is they have no interpersonal skills whatsoever, they are just brain dead drones who resort to weapons because they aren’t smart enough to string a sentence together. They get off on the pain they inflict, they want to inflict pain.

Do you find it hard to communicate with your fellow man? Do you want to demand respect, without actually earning it? Do you lack free thought and basic human empathy? If you answered yes to all these questions, then I have the career path for you.

Not to mention a lot of them either didnt make it into the military or got in but spent their time at kapooka in digger james platoon, making them very bitter and angry peeps who now have some authority.

aceofspades 3:28 pm 25 Oct 12

Tooks said :

Wow (comments 1 and 2), my very own Riot Act stalkers trying to get a bite. Sorry lads, no dice! Have a lovely day though 🙂

Oh Tooks, I am so disappointed, I love your banter! I didn’t realise that reading RA posts came under the category of stalking though. Do you wanna call a cop?

Jim Jones 3:24 pm 25 Oct 12

FXST01 said :

Something tells me that Johnny_Moe and Aceofspades have never spent a day in uniform and really have no idea what goes on in the life of a Policeman or any other authority figure.

Just keep whinging and complaining and stealing oxygen.

Tase them … go on … tase the sh1t out of them … you know you want to.

bundah 3:22 pm 25 Oct 12

Well i hope the ACT cops are nothing like their NSW counterparts given that the NSW Ombudsmen has detailed a less than complimentary report on police brutality and misuse in the past two years.
Case in point was the absolutely woeful display which resulted in the death of the young Brazilian in Sydney.One of the cops said he was too scared to tackle the student due to his size?? The Brazilian student would have been no more than 90kgs and even at my age and 10 less kgs i would’ve had no trouble in bringing him down from what i saw of the footage.

Tasers should only be used in a life threatening situation not to punish someone because of one’s own incompetence!

aceofspades 3:16 pm 25 Oct 12

FXST01 said :

Something tells me that Johnny_Moe and Aceofspades have never spent a day in uniform and really have no idea what goes on in the life of a Policeman or any other authority figure.

Just keep whinging and complaining and stealing oxygen.

I used to think like this until I witnessed a police officer and his partner manufacture evidence and lie in court. I know they did because I was there in court and at the seen that they lied about. Police officers create their own bad reputation.

Tooks 3:02 pm 25 Oct 12

Wow (comments 1 and 2), my very own Riot Act stalkers trying to get a bite. Sorry lads, no dice! Have a lovely day though 🙂

FXST01 2:55 pm 25 Oct 12

Something tells me that Johnny_Moe and Aceofspades have never spent a day in uniform and really have no idea what goes on in the life of a Policeman or any other authority figure.

Just keep whinging and complaining and stealing oxygen.

aceofspades 2:31 pm 25 Oct 12

Johnny_Moe said :

The main problem with cops, more so constables, is they have no interpersonal skills whatsoever, they are just brain dead drones who resort to weapons because they aren’t smart enough to string a sentence together. They get off on the pain they inflict, they want to inflict pain.

Do you find it hard to communicate with your fellow man? Do you want to demand respect, without actually earning it? Do you lack free thought and basic human empathy? If you answered yes to all these questions, then I have the career path for you.

Cue for keen golfer and tooks, the local AFP public relations team to step in, tell us what rubbish this is, quote some procedural crap and tell us it must be all in our imaginations because there is just no such thing as a bad police officer.

Johnny_Moe 2:07 pm 25 Oct 12

The main problem with cops, more so constables, is they have no interpersonal skills whatsoever, they are just brain dead drones who resort to weapons because they aren’t smart enough to string a sentence together. They get off on the pain they inflict, they want to inflict pain.

Do you find it hard to communicate with your fellow man? Do you want to demand respect, without actually earning it? Do you lack free thought and basic human empathy? If you answered yes to all these questions, then I have the career path for you.

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