Tharwa Drive strikes again

johnboy 14 August 2008 54

The ACT Policing reports that there’s been a second death on Tharwa Drive, just 750 metres from the fatal accident on the weekend.

    At about 15.35pm, a maroon coloured Toyota Corolla sedan, driven by a 92-year-old male, turning northbound on to Tharwa Drive from Duggan Street collided with a white coloured Toyota Hiace van heading southbound on Tharwa Drive, driven by a 47-year-old male from Banks.

    As a result of the collision a 90-year-old female passenger from Condor in the Toyota Corolla sedan was fatally injured and pronounced dead at the scene.

    Her husband, the driver of the Toyota Corolla sedan, was conveyed by ACT Ambulance to The Canberra Hospital in a stable condition.

    The male occupant of the second vehicle is assisting police with their enquiries.

    Acting Deputy Chief Police Officer Mark Colbran has appealed to drivers to take care on ACT roads.

    “This is the second fatal collision to take place in the ACT in the past week. Police would urge drivers to be alert on the roads and to not become a statistic,” a/Deputy CPO Colbran said.

    Police would urge anyone who may have witnessed the collision, and are yet to speak with collision investigators to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

    This is the eleventh fatality on ACT roads for 2008.


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Loquaciousness Loquaciousness 11:36 am 15 Aug 08

SheepGroper said :

Follow me sometime, I was taught to use my indicators and duly do. And although I may not be supposed to have a front fence, I’ve got wire mesh across the front and sides of my block to keep dogs out.

How unpatriotic!

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Overheard Overheard 7:45 pm 14 Aug 08

vandam said :

Overheard: I think you misunderstood me. I said we shouldn’t be debating on whether he should or shouldn’t be driving. And this collision didn’t happen because he was 92. It happened because he failed to give way! It doesn’t make a lick of difference on how old they are.

And since people think old people shouldn’t drive……..should all those people (regardless of age) that have failed to give way, crossed on to the wrong side of the road or run into trees, gutters etc and crashed be able to drive aswell?????? Should our 18 year old driver from last week be driving??? You take driving away from old people you have to do the same with young and middle aged people.

Vandam, if you read my post at #22, you’ll see that you’re not going to get an argument from me on that score.

Cameron Cameron 6:42 pm 14 Aug 08

I dig it. Email sent. Cheers.

johnboy johnboy 6:40 pm 14 Aug 08

All about protecting readers from each other.

Email me the snippet and I can probably fix it.

Cameron Cameron 6:40 pm 14 Aug 08

vandam said :

Actually the old fella failed to give way to the van. Unfortunately the guy in the van was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If our understanding of the media release is correct, the Corolla didn’t need to give way to the Hiace.

The only circumstances under which he would have had to is if the media release means that the Corolla was turning right out of Duggan St (and thus across the eastbound lane of traffic) and the Hiace was heading up the hill instead of down it.

Actually, that makes more sense – particularly if it was the passenger in the Corolla that didn’t survive.

Cameron Cameron 6:38 pm 14 Aug 08

That view larger map was supposed to be an iframe to the google map – I guess us grunts can’t post iframes eh JB? A premium membership benefit perhaps? 😉

Cameron Cameron 6:37 pm 14 Aug 08

Except that east is up the hill and west is down the hill.

Hiace travelling west, down the hill (what the AFP media release refers to as southbound). Corolla turning from Duggan street and travelling east (what the AFP media release refers to as northbound).

Other than that, you’re right about the turning lane.


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vandam vandam 6:33 pm 14 Aug 08

Actually the old fella failed to give way to the van. Unfortunately the guy in the van was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Overheard: I think you misunderstood me. I said we shouldn’t be debating on whether he should or shouldn’t be driving. And this collision didn’t happen because he was 92. It happened because he failed to give way! It doesn’t make a lick of difference on how old they are.

And since people think old people shouldn’t drive……..should all those people (regardless of age) that have failed to give way, crossed on to the wrong side of the road or run into trees, gutters etc and crashed be able to drive aswell?????? Should our 18 year old driver from last week be driving??? You take driving away from old people you have to do the same with young and middle aged people.

andym andym 5:35 pm 14 Aug 08

At about 15.35pm, a maroon coloured Toyota Corolla sedan, driven by a 92-year-old male, turning northbound on to Tharwa Drive from Duggan Street collided with a white coloured Toyota Hiace van heading southbound on Tharwa Drive, driven by a 47-year-old male from Banks.
Someone has crossed not one but two lines of traffic for this occur (Their lane and a turning lane). Assuming the Corolla turned left from Duggan (west and up the hill) and the Hiace was travelling east and down the hill.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=duggan+street+calwell+act&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=65.008093,112.5&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=-35.443885,149.101676&spn=0.002085,0.003433&z=18&iwloc=addr
I would not be quick to judge the 92 year old in the wrong either.

Hamilton Hamilton 5:03 pm 14 Aug 08

vandam said :

regardless of how old this guy is, he now doesn’t have partner. Have some respect. This is not really the topic to be debating on whether he should or should no be driving. He was driving, he was medically cleared. THere are plenty of 20 – 30 year olds that wouldn’t be medically cleared yet still drive, still have accidents and still kill people.

Fair call.

Overheard Overheard 4:52 pm 14 Aug 08

Vandam #39: This is not really the topic to be debating on whether he should or should no be driving.
Vandam #43: I can tell you age was not a factor in this collision.

Decide which way you want to go, vandam; you can’t have 20 guilders each way.

seekay, it’s not illegal to use indicators in ACT. It’s also not illegal to make baseless, cyclical, ‘Groundhog Day’ generalisations, so fill your boots.

vandam vandam 4:45 pm 14 Aug 08

You’ll find that the death of the driver’s partner has been duly noted and the sadness acknowledged.

Pop next door to the other Tharwa Drive fatality threads for extended coverage on whether circumstances surrounding the accident are (or should be) kosher for discussion/debate/comment.

I can tell you age was not a factor in this collision.

I’ve read that thread, and refuse to comment on that one. Whilst I’d rather not go into it, I hope the kids involved in that collision and their frineds who know what happened, tell the Police the truth, rather than stuff the Police around to protect the driver who killed an innocent person(that I might add should not have been out at that time…..WTF were their parents doing?

SheepGroper SheepGroper 4:43 pm 14 Aug 08

Follow me sometime, I was taught to use my indicators and duly do. And although I may not be supposed to have a front fence, I’ve got wire mesh across the front and sides of my block to keep dogs out.

seekay seekay 4:33 pm 14 Aug 08

BTW, is it illegal to use indicators in the ACT? No one seems to do it. Is it some weird Canberra thing like no front fences?

Overheard Overheard 4:18 pm 14 Aug 08

vandam said :

regardless of how old this guy is, he now doesn’t have partner. Have some respect. This is not really the topic to be debating on whether he should or should no be driving. He was driving, he was medically cleared. THere are plenty of 20 – 30 year olds that wouldn’t be medically cleared yet still drive, still have accidents and still kill people.

You’ll find that the death of the driver’s partner has been duly noted and the sadness acknowledged.

Pop next door to the other Tharwa Drive fatality threads for extended coverage on whether circumstances surrounding the accident are (or should be) kosher for discussion/debate/comment.

vandam vandam 4:14 pm 14 Aug 08

regardless of how old this guy is, he now doesn’t have partner. Have some respect. This is not really the topic to be debating on whether he should or should no be driving. He was driving, he was medically cleared. THere are plenty of 20 – 30 year olds that wouldn’t be medically cleared yet still drive, still have accidents and still kill people.

Overheard Overheard 4:09 pm 14 Aug 08

Mælinar – *spoiler alert* I’ve seen S04E13 said :

Having just come off a flying lesson, the pilots generally agree that its just like driving a car only there are a few more buttons/sensors. Once you know what your doing, its easy.

Just clarifying.

Hmmmmmm. I think I’d rather be pulling into my suburban driveway than bringing her into land at LAX in driving rain, bad light and 100kmh cross-winds!

Hamilton Hamilton 4:05 pm 14 Aug 08

Cameron – Thanks, do I get some sort of prize?

Overheard Overheard 3:32 pm 14 Aug 08

I understand the intent of your premise, Hamilton, but it’s just not valid.

Lots of things require good reflexes that I wouldn’t expect a 92 year old to be capable of. Doing a four-event rotation in men’s gymnastics at the Olympics, for example. But just because he’s not up to having the reflexes to master the rings and the pommel horse doesn’t rule him out of driving a car. As others have mentioned, there is a testing regime in place for drivers over a certain age, and unless he was driving unlicensed, you’d have to say he meets those criteria, at least to the satisfaction of the RTA.

Mælinar - *spoiler alert* I've seen S04E13 Mælinar - *spoiler alert* I've seen S04E13 3:30 pm 14 Aug 08

Having just come off a flying lesson, the pilots generally agree that its just like driving a car only there are a few more buttons/sensors. Once you know what your doing, its easy.

Just clarifying.

Cameron Cameron 3:29 pm 14 Aug 08

@ Alpine Viper – Let me ask you this, would you board a flight to LA with a 92 year old Captain and a 92 year old first officer?

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It’s not that irrelevant – Both flying and driving require good reflexes which I don;t believe a 92 year old would have

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The comparison I’m trying to draw is that both require good reflexes which I don’t believe a 92 year old would have.

A lot of people post some unintentionally hilarious stuff on RA from time to time, but I didn’t think it was possible for someone to do it three posts in a row… congratulations Hamilton.

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