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The abortion wars return

By johnboy 14 September 2012 49

anti-abortion protest

ACT Health’s offices at the Corner of Moore and Alinga Street have been mercifully clear of pro and anti abortion protests for the last few months while the achingly slow pavement works have been underway.

But the sculpture is back and with it the devout.

(Also a lady in a snazzy red coat with no connection to the building or the protestors)

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PBO 9:13 am 17 Sep 12

LSWCHP said :

PBO said :

When i first saw the title 2 things crossed my mind.

1.There will be an arguement and holier than thou arguments at that, from those whose narcissistic delusions of internet glory get them through the day or simmer in their brooding minds all week.

2. It makes me think of a professional clinic with professional staff on a busy day, when suddenly John Belushi charges in wearing a toga and screams out: ABORTION WARS!!! And then proceeds to throw foetuses around the room at people and the whole scene decends into chaos, you get the idea.

Acually, I don’t the idea at all.

This is a public forum, the entire point of which is to allow people to express their views and occasionally argue with each other (while making a buck for the proprietors, of course).

You seem to be saying “A RiotAct thread on a contentious subject has provoked heated discussion among people who hold differing views”, as if that’s somehow surprising. What would’ve surprised me is if the OP provoked no comment at all.

Well, I was trying to get a laugh and point out that some people take some things way too seriously. In the end, the decision to have an abortion is the womans alone and no one can say otherwise. It is her choice as it is her body.

And if the thought of John Belushi (Animal House) doing something so innapropriate does not get a smile on your face, then it makes me sad. Sadder than when i earlier spelt argument wrong and it reveals how unlitterate i am.

OpenYourMind 8:51 am 17 Sep 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

DrKoresh said :

bigfeet said :

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

I don’t think LWSCHP is saying it should be illegal, I think he’s saying that it’s wrong to do. Like sleeping with your best mate’s missus or something. It’s not illegal, but it’s the sort of thing that makes you a terrible person. Assuming that was his point I totally agree with him. I don’t think we should legislate it or anything, but I’m all for discouraging such behaviour, and shaming the people that do it. They should be lobbying their local members or what-have-you, haranguing women at the doctor’s office is just a dog move and if you do it, you’re a dog.

Please don’t use the word dog as a insult. I thought you were anti bogan?

Anyways, it’s a disgraceful thing to be part of this tpe of protest. It’s a women’s choice and if I saw someone harrasing women like this I would ensure it came to a stop.

Ah since when do these old guys harrass anyone? They sit in a public place with a couple of signs.

And weren’t you the one supportive of public protests about gay marriage a couple of months ago?

Or is it only OK to protest when you agree with them?

It’s only ok to protest when, most importantly, it’s right and when it’s not offending people.

I think there’s certainly instances where protests are at the least morally questionable, if not illegal. Protesting at funerals being a clear example, protesting in front of women who have chosen a medical procedure that you don’t agree with, most likely because of your religious values that others may not share, is another. The women who make these choices are at a very vulnerable time and intimidating them in one way or another is plain nasty.

milkman 7:25 am 17 Sep 12

kakosi said :

milkman said :

They sit quietly with a few signs and mumble a few prayers.

Hardly a problem.

Religious nut-jobs are only harmless if they aren’t trying to intimidate others.

A few oldies mumbling some prayers and singing the occasional song is intimidating? You should get out more.

LSWCHP 9:06 pm 16 Sep 12

PBO said :

When i first saw the title 2 things crossed my mind.

1.There will be an arguement and holier than thou arguments at that, from those whose narcissistic delusions of internet glory get them through the day or simmer in their brooding minds all week.

2. It makes me think of a professional clinic with professional staff on a busy day, when suddenly John Belushi charges in wearing a toga and screams out: ABORTION WARS!!! And then proceeds to throw foetuses around the room at people and the whole scene decends into chaos, you get the idea.

Acually, I don’t the idea at all.

This is a public forum, the entire point of which is to allow people to express their views and occasionally argue with each other (while making a buck for the proprietors, of course).

You seem to be saying “A RiotAct thread on a contentious subject has provoked heated discussion among people who hold differing views”, as if that’s somehow surprising. What would’ve surprised me is if the OP provoked no comment at all.

LSWCHP 8:52 pm 16 Sep 12

DrKoresh said :

bigfeet said :

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

I don’t think LWSCHP is saying it should be illegal, I think he’s saying that it’s wrong to do. Like sleeping with your best mate’s missus or something. It’s not illegal, but it’s the sort of thing that makes you a terrible person. Assuming that was his point I totally agree with him. I don’t think we should legislate it or anything, but I’m all for discouraging such behaviour, and shaming the people that do it. They should be lobbying their local members or what-have-you, haranguing women at the doctor’s office is just a dog move and if you do it, you’re a dog.

Thank you. That’s exactly what I meant. I support free speech, and I am in no way calling for the anti-demo police to come and lock these folks up. But, as DK says, I think that what they are doing is inherently wrong and they should stop it, because that would be the decent thing to do.

An abortion is a serious and extremely physically intrusive surgical procedure. Any woman about to undergo such an experience is more than likely in a very fragile frame of mind. The bunch of smug fogies sending the “you are a rotten person” towards them are engaging in something that is self-righteous and repugnant. They should either stop their miserable holier-than-thou protest, or take it somewhere else.

PBO 5:46 pm 16 Sep 12

When i first saw the title 2 things crossed my mind.

1.There will be an arguement and holier than thou arguments at that, from those whose narcissistic delusions of internet glory get them through the day or simmer in their brooding minds all week.

2. It makes me think of a professional clinic with professional staff on a busy day, when suddenly John Belushi charges in wearing a toga and screams out: ABORTION WARS!!! And then proceeds to throw foetuses around the room at people and the whole scene decends into chaos, you get the idea.

kakosi 5:45 pm 16 Sep 12

milkman said :

They sit quietly with a few signs and mumble a few prayers.

Hardly a problem.

Religious nut-jobs are only harmless if they aren’t trying to intimidate others.

milkman 4:29 pm 16 Sep 12

They sit quietly with a few signs and mumble a few prayers.

Hardly a problem.

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