14 September 2012

The abortion wars return

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anti-abortion protest

ACT Health’s offices at the Corner of Moore and Alinga Street have been mercifully clear of pro and anti abortion protests for the last few months while the achingly slow pavement works have been underway.

But the sculpture is back and with it the devout.

(Also a lady in a snazzy red coat with no connection to the building or the protestors)

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LSWCHP said :

PBO said :

When i first saw the title 2 things crossed my mind.

1.There will be an arguement and holier than thou arguments at that, from those whose narcissistic delusions of internet glory get them through the day or simmer in their brooding minds all week.

2. It makes me think of a professional clinic with professional staff on a busy day, when suddenly John Belushi charges in wearing a toga and screams out: ABORTION WARS!!! And then proceeds to throw foetuses around the room at people and the whole scene decends into chaos, you get the idea.

Acually, I don’t the idea at all.

This is a public forum, the entire point of which is to allow people to express their views and occasionally argue with each other (while making a buck for the proprietors, of course).

You seem to be saying “A RiotAct thread on a contentious subject has provoked heated discussion among people who hold differing views”, as if that’s somehow surprising. What would’ve surprised me is if the OP provoked no comment at all.

Well, I was trying to get a laugh and point out that some people take some things way too seriously. In the end, the decision to have an abortion is the womans alone and no one can say otherwise. It is her choice as it is her body.

And if the thought of John Belushi (Animal House) doing something so innapropriate does not get a smile on your face, then it makes me sad. Sadder than when i earlier spelt argument wrong and it reveals how unlitterate i am.

OpenYourMind8:51 am 17 Sep 12

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

DrKoresh said :

bigfeet said :

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

I don’t think LWSCHP is saying it should be illegal, I think he’s saying that it’s wrong to do. Like sleeping with your best mate’s missus or something. It’s not illegal, but it’s the sort of thing that makes you a terrible person. Assuming that was his point I totally agree with him. I don’t think we should legislate it or anything, but I’m all for discouraging such behaviour, and shaming the people that do it. They should be lobbying their local members or what-have-you, haranguing women at the doctor’s office is just a dog move and if you do it, you’re a dog.

Please don’t use the word dog as a insult. I thought you were anti bogan?

Anyways, it’s a disgraceful thing to be part of this tpe of protest. It’s a women’s choice and if I saw someone harrasing women like this I would ensure it came to a stop.

Ah since when do these old guys harrass anyone? They sit in a public place with a couple of signs.

And weren’t you the one supportive of public protests about gay marriage a couple of months ago?

Or is it only OK to protest when you agree with them?

It’s only ok to protest when, most importantly, it’s right and when it’s not offending people.

I think there’s certainly instances where protests are at the least morally questionable, if not illegal. Protesting at funerals being a clear example, protesting in front of women who have chosen a medical procedure that you don’t agree with, most likely because of your religious values that others may not share, is another. The women who make these choices are at a very vulnerable time and intimidating them in one way or another is plain nasty.

kakosi said :

milkman said :

They sit quietly with a few signs and mumble a few prayers.

Hardly a problem.

Religious nut-jobs are only harmless if they aren’t trying to intimidate others.

A few oldies mumbling some prayers and singing the occasional song is intimidating? You should get out more.

PBO said :

When i first saw the title 2 things crossed my mind.

1.There will be an arguement and holier than thou arguments at that, from those whose narcissistic delusions of internet glory get them through the day or simmer in their brooding minds all week.

2. It makes me think of a professional clinic with professional staff on a busy day, when suddenly John Belushi charges in wearing a toga and screams out: ABORTION WARS!!! And then proceeds to throw foetuses around the room at people and the whole scene decends into chaos, you get the idea.

Acually, I don’t the idea at all.

This is a public forum, the entire point of which is to allow people to express their views and occasionally argue with each other (while making a buck for the proprietors, of course).

You seem to be saying “A RiotAct thread on a contentious subject has provoked heated discussion among people who hold differing views”, as if that’s somehow surprising. What would’ve surprised me is if the OP provoked no comment at all.

DrKoresh said :

bigfeet said :

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

I don’t think LWSCHP is saying it should be illegal, I think he’s saying that it’s wrong to do. Like sleeping with your best mate’s missus or something. It’s not illegal, but it’s the sort of thing that makes you a terrible person. Assuming that was his point I totally agree with him. I don’t think we should legislate it or anything, but I’m all for discouraging such behaviour, and shaming the people that do it. They should be lobbying their local members or what-have-you, haranguing women at the doctor’s office is just a dog move and if you do it, you’re a dog.

Thank you. That’s exactly what I meant. I support free speech, and I am in no way calling for the anti-demo police to come and lock these folks up. But, as DK says, I think that what they are doing is inherently wrong and they should stop it, because that would be the decent thing to do.

An abortion is a serious and extremely physically intrusive surgical procedure. Any woman about to undergo such an experience is more than likely in a very fragile frame of mind. The bunch of smug fogies sending the “you are a rotten person” towards them are engaging in something that is self-righteous and repugnant. They should either stop their miserable holier-than-thou protest, or take it somewhere else.

When i first saw the title 2 things crossed my mind.

1.There will be an arguement and holier than thou arguments at that, from those whose narcissistic delusions of internet glory get them through the day or simmer in their brooding minds all week.

2. It makes me think of a professional clinic with professional staff on a busy day, when suddenly John Belushi charges in wearing a toga and screams out: ABORTION WARS!!! And then proceeds to throw foetuses around the room at people and the whole scene decends into chaos, you get the idea.

milkman said :

They sit quietly with a few signs and mumble a few prayers.

Hardly a problem.

Religious nut-jobs are only harmless if they aren’t trying to intimidate others.

They sit quietly with a few signs and mumble a few prayers.

Hardly a problem.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

DrKoresh said :

bigfeet said :

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

I don’t think LWSCHP is saying it should be illegal, I think he’s saying that it’s wrong to do. Like sleeping with your best mate’s missus or something. It’s not illegal, but it’s the sort of thing that makes you a terrible person. Assuming that was his point I totally agree with him. I don’t think we should legislate it or anything, but I’m all for discouraging such behaviour, and shaming the people that do it. They should be lobbying their local members or what-have-you, haranguing women at the doctor’s office is just a dog move and if you do it, you’re a dog.

Please don’t use the word dog as a insult. I thought you were anti bogan?

Anyways, it’s a disgraceful thing to be part of this tpe of protest. It’s a women’s choice and if I saw someone harrasing women like this I would ensure it came to a stop.

Ah since when do these old guys harrass anyone? They sit in a public place with a couple of signs.

And weren’t you the one supportive of public protests about gay marriage a couple of months ago?

Or is it only OK to protest when you agree with them?

It’s only ok to protest when, most importantly, it’s right and when it’s not offending people.

I assume you are being sarcastic?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Please don’t use the word dog as a insult. I thought you were anti bogan?

Anyways, it’s a disgraceful thing to be part of this tpe of protest. It’s a women’s choice and if I saw someone harrasing women like this I would ensure it came to a stop.


I’m not actually anti-bogan, I try not to be predisposed towards denigrating entire demographics. Except the French.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd12:50 pm 16 Sep 12

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

DrKoresh said :

bigfeet said :

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

I don’t think LWSCHP is saying it should be illegal, I think he’s saying that it’s wrong to do. Like sleeping with your best mate’s missus or something. It’s not illegal, but it’s the sort of thing that makes you a terrible person. Assuming that was his point I totally agree with him. I don’t think we should legislate it or anything, but I’m all for discouraging such behaviour, and shaming the people that do it. They should be lobbying their local members or what-have-you, haranguing women at the doctor’s office is just a dog move and if you do it, you’re a dog.

Please don’t use the word dog as a insult. I thought you were anti bogan?

Anyways, it’s a disgraceful thing to be part of this tpe of protest. It’s a women’s choice and if I saw someone harrasing women like this I would ensure it came to a stop.

Ah since when do these old guys harrass anyone? They sit in a public place with a couple of signs.

And weren’t you the one supportive of public protests about gay marriage a couple of months ago?

Or is it only OK to protest when you agree with them?

It’s only ok to protest when, most importantly, it’s right and when it’s not offending people.

bigfeet said :

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

This isn’t a protest, it’s intimidation, just as surely as the Union outside the Grocon site in Melbourne wasn’t a protest, but a way to obtain the compliance of a minority.

Having said that, I believe we should let them stay, if only to provide yet another prominent example of how out of touch and outdated the church is, and why religion is increasingly a force for fuelling conflict and intolerance.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

DrKoresh said :

bigfeet said :

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

I don’t think LWSCHP is saying it should be illegal, I think he’s saying that it’s wrong to do. Like sleeping with your best mate’s missus or something. It’s not illegal, but it’s the sort of thing that makes you a terrible person. Assuming that was his point I totally agree with him. I don’t think we should legislate it or anything, but I’m all for discouraging such behaviour, and shaming the people that do it. They should be lobbying their local members or what-have-you, haranguing women at the doctor’s office is just a dog move and if you do it, you’re a dog.

Please don’t use the word dog as a insult. I thought you were anti bogan?

Anyways, it’s a disgraceful thing to be part of this tpe of protest. It’s a women’s choice and if I saw someone harrasing women like this I would ensure it came to a stop.

Ah since when do these old guys harrass anyone? They sit in a public place with a couple of signs.

And weren’t you the one supportive of public protests about gay marriage a couple of months ago?

Or is it only OK to protest when you agree with them?

Would they conduct their protest somewhere vulnerable women weren’t having an extremely bad day?

Maybe at the legislative assembly to change it up a bit?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd9:35 am 16 Sep 12

DrKoresh said :

bigfeet said :

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

I don’t think LWSCHP is saying it should be illegal, I think he’s saying that it’s wrong to do. Like sleeping with your best mate’s missus or something. It’s not illegal, but it’s the sort of thing that makes you a terrible person. Assuming that was his point I totally agree with him. I don’t think we should legislate it or anything, but I’m all for discouraging such behaviour, and shaming the people that do it. They should be lobbying their local members or what-have-you, haranguing women at the doctor’s office is just a dog move and if you do it, you’re a dog.

Please don’t use the word dog as a insult. I thought you were anti bogan?

Anyways, it’s a disgraceful thing to be part of this tpe of protest. It’s a women’s choice and if I saw someone harrasing women like this I would ensure it came to a stop.

bigfeet said :

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

I don’t think LWSCHP is saying it should be illegal, I think he’s saying that it’s wrong to do. Like sleeping with your best mate’s missus or something. It’s not illegal, but it’s the sort of thing that makes you a terrible person. Assuming that was his point I totally agree with him. I don’t think we should legislate it or anything, but I’m all for discouraging such behaviour, and shaming the people that do it. They should be lobbying their local members or what-have-you, haranguing women at the doctor’s office is just a dog move and if you do it, you’re a dog.

Thank the kriste that this isn’t the USA or those people would be carrying guns and bombs.

Masquara said :

Holden Caulfield said :

Until the pro-lifers can come up with a better slogan than “Keep your Rosaries off my ovaries” they’ll be fighting a losing battle, haha.

Darling that’s the pro-abortion slogan. Do you really think Catherine Deveny would have been spouting pro-lifer taglines ad nauseum on the ABC?

Uhhhh I’m pretty sure the original comment meant ‘this pro-abortion slogan is better than anything the pro-lifers can come up with, so they are going to continue losing this argument”.

Woody Mann-Caruso7:02 pm 15 Sep 12

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop?

Sit perfectly still. Only LSWCHP may dance.

LSWCHP said :

… For reasons that I can’t ascertain he’s randomly unloaded on me like that a couple of times in the past, to which I haven’t responded. …

… I think the demonstrators are perfectly entitled to their opinions on abortion, and they are entitled to promulgate those views on websites or in other media where those views can be debated. I think those views are obnoxious and wrong headed, but I’m sure they think the same of my views on this subject, so the world stays in balance. …

But I do not believe that they are entitled to stand in this particular public place and get in the faces of women who may be considering an abortion, for whatever reason. The power relationship under those circumstances is just way out of balance and inequitable, and what they are doing is lame beyond belief. I think these people are displaying a world class level of insensitivity towards women who are in very vulnerable circumstances. I don’t like it. I think what they are doing is wrong, and I see no hypocrisy in saying that.

OK… I don’t know yours and WMC’s history so I’ll leave that point alone.

I also don’t know how much these protestors are “getting in the face” of people. But if they are..then of course that it wrong.

However, it is a public place (as you point out) and they should be entitled to stand there and calmly express their views.. As long as they are not yelling personal abuse at people going in and out, or stopping people going in and out then that is acceptable.

Yes, it is an emotive issue, and yes there are vulnerable people involved. The fact that there are protestors there is going to upset people and distress people. But unfortunately that is the price we pay in a democracy.

I personally think their views are wrong but I also think they should be entitled to express those erroneous views peacefully in any public place.

It’s a very slippery slope if we don’t accept that principle. Where does it stop? Any protest must be held completely out of sight of the subject/target of the protest? All protests are shut down in case they upset someone?

bigfeet said :

LSWCHP said :

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

LSWCHP: [hypocrisy about free speech]
WMC: You’re a hypocrite.
LSWCHP: AM NOT YOURE A DOODY HED GO AWAY

Dude, what I saw in your response to my post contained nothing about hypocrisy that I could discern, including the word “hypocrisy”.

I thought your original post was quite hypocritical and WMC just seemed to be pointing that out.

Chill out dude.

WMC could’ve pointed out my hypocrisy in a manner that didn’t involve the use of phrases like “vortex of stupidity”, and then perhaps we could have had a discussion about the subject. But he apparently thinks it’s OK to write things that I very much doubt he’d ever say to my face.

For reasons that I can’t ascertain he’s randomly unloaded on me like that a couple of times in the past, to which I haven’t responded. I don’t know why but I don’t like it, and this was one time too many. If he’s going to be abusive, then that’s his prerogative, but if that’s how he wants to roll then he should be prepared for a little incivility in return.

Anyway, I don’t see any hypocrisy in the views that I expressed. I think the demonstrators are perfectly entitled to their opinions on abortion, and they are entitled to promulgate those views on websites or in other media where those views can be debated. I think those views are obnoxious and wrong headed, but I’m sure they think the same of my views on this subject, so the world stays in balance. They are also entitled to live their lives in accordance with their views. If one of them were to become pregnant through mischance, contraceptive failure, rape or whatever, and decided to keep the child, then good on ’em.

But I do not believe that they are entitled to stand in this particular public place and get in the faces of women who may be considering an abortion, for whatever reason. The power relationship under those circumstances is just way out of balance and inequitable, and what they are doing is lame beyond belief. I think these people are displaying a world class level of insensitivity towards women who are in very vulnerable circumstances. I don’t like it. I think what they are doing is wrong, and I see no hypocrisy in saying that.

Woody Mann-Caruso4:53 pm 15 Sep 12

what I saw in your response to my post contained nothing about hypocrisy that I could discern

This is my surprised face. —–> : |

LSWCHP said :

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

LSWCHP: [hypocrisy about free speech]
WMC: You’re a hypocrite.
LSWCHP: AM NOT YOURE A DOODY HED GO AWAY

Dude, what I saw in your response to my post contained nothing about hypocrisy that I could discern, including the word “hypocrisy”.

I thought your original post was quite hypocritical and WMC just seemed to be pointing that out.

Chill out dude.

Gobbo said :

DrKoresh said :

Gobbo said :

LSWCHP said :

These people might be the oldest, frailest, sweetest, most white haired and lovable Grannies in the world. Nevertheless, they are wrong in this, and I object to them attempting to inflict their obnoxious wrong-headed ideas on other people through activities such as this little demonstration.

An abortion is not a happy thing, and I think that very few women would undertake such a course of action lightly. Still, the choice to do so, or to not do so, is ultimately up to the woman involved. There is no way that a gang of absolute strangers who know nothing of the woman or her circumstances have any right to participate in the decision in any way unless the woman invites them to do so.

+ more than you can count.

Get stuffed, you can’t possibly claim to know the motives behind women who chose to get abortions, I call BS.

Besides, even if it were true, what bearing would it have on the legality of the issue. You want to force women who you’re implying get their jollies from abortions to raise children they don’t want?

I know the motives behinf my own abortion and I was expressing my support for the sentiments posted.

Do you lack comprehension skills?

Your call of bullshit was unwarranted.

Ummm…yeah, I’m with Gobbo. I thought her response to my post was agreeing with what I had written.

I wish with all my heart that abortions would not be needed. But the circumstances vary in every case, and I’ll say again that I think it is up to the woman to make her decision, and nobody else. About 20 years ago I know a woman who became pregnant as a result of a date rape. She had an abortion, and it was traumatic for her, but probably a helluva lot less traumatic than carrying and then raising the child of a bloke she despised and never saw again.

These demonstrators are entitled to their views as we all are, but I don’t think they are entitled to push those views into the faces of women, mostly young and probably distressed, at the time that they are going through such a profound experience.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

LSWCHP: [hypocrisy about free speech]
WMC: You’re a hypocrite.
LSWCHP: AM NOT YOURE A DOODY HED GO AWAY

Dude, what I saw in your response to my post contained nothing about hypocrisy that I could discern, including the word “hypocrisy”. However, it did contain some incomprehensible and unpleasant nonsense about a vortex of stupidity and smart people being hurt. This is the same sort of rubbish that you’ve directed at me previously, and to which I haven’t responded.

I come here because I enjoy the exchange of ideas between a wide variety of smart and generally civilized people. Not including you.

On the internet, as with my life in general, I appreciate reasonable, thoughtful, and occasionally impassioned discourse but I don’t like being on the receiving end of pointlessly incoherent and abusive sprays from inarticulate dimwits like you. So I’d really appreciate it if you’d pack up your cup of spittle, your sac of venom and your bag of bile and scuttle back under whichever rock you came from.

I’d much prefer to be discussing the issue at hand, which I regard as very important, rather than engaging in further exchanges with you which are obviously fruitless and have nothing to do with the OP. So, regardless of the direction in which you scuttle or which secretion you choose to spray, that’s all.

Holden Caulfield said :

Until the pro-lifers can come up with a better slogan than “Keep your Rosaries off my ovaries” they’ll be fighting a losing battle, haha.

Darling that’s the pro-abortion slogan. Do you really think Catherine Deveny would have been spouting pro-lifer taglines ad nauseum on the ABC?

Woody Mann-Caruso10:22 am 15 Sep 12

LSWCHP: [hypocrisy about free speech]
WMC: You’re a hypocrite.
LSWCHP: AM NOT YOURE A DOODY HED GO AWAY

DrKoresh said :

Gobbo said :

LSWCHP said :

These people might be the oldest, frailest, sweetest, most white haired and lovable Grannies in the world. Nevertheless, they are wrong in this, and I object to them attempting to inflict their obnoxious wrong-headed ideas on other people through activities such as this little demonstration.

An abortion is not a happy thing, and I think that very few women would undertake such a course of action lightly. Still, the choice to do so, or to not do so, is ultimately up to the woman involved. There is no way that a gang of absolute strangers who know nothing of the woman or her circumstances have any right to participate in the decision in any way unless the woman invites them to do so.

+ more than you can count.

Get stuffed, you can’t possibly claim to know the motives behind women who chose to get abortions, I call BS.

Besides, even if it were true, what bearing would it have on the legality of the issue. You want to force women who you’re implying get their jollies from abortions to raise children they don’t want?

I know the motives behinf my own abortion and I was expressing my support for the sentiments posted.

Do you lack comprehension skills?

Your call of bullshit was unwarranted.

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Nevertheless, they are wrong in this, and I object to them attempting to inflict their obnoxious wrong-headed ideas on other people through activities such as this little demonstration.

Gee. I hope they don’t think you’re wrong, and object to you trying to inflict your obnoxious wrong-headed ideas on other people through activities such as commenting on a website. It’d be a swirling vortex of stupid. Smart people might get hurt.

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Gee. My feeling is that your monumentally confused, frequently abusive and generally poorly expressed “thoughts” are a major contributing factor to the overall level of stupid on this forum. Whenever one of those swirling vortices of stupid appears, why, there you are in the middle of it, making people dumber as they read your posts.

Why don’t you just run along now, and attempt to irritate someone else.

Gobbo said :

LSWCHP said :

These people might be the oldest, frailest, sweetest, most white haired and lovable Grannies in the world. Nevertheless, they are wrong in this, and I object to them attempting to inflict their obnoxious wrong-headed ideas on other people through activities such as this little demonstration.

An abortion is not a happy thing, and I think that very few women would undertake such a course of action lightly. Still, the choice to do so, or to not do so, is ultimately up to the woman involved. There is no way that a gang of absolute strangers who know nothing of the woman or her circumstances have any right to participate in the decision in any way unless the woman invites them to do so.

+ more than you can count.

Get stuffed, you can’t possibly claim to know the motives behind women who chose to get abortions, I call BS.

Besides, even if it were true, what bearing would it have on the legality of the issue. You want to force women who you’re implying get their jollies from abortions to raise children they don’t want?

chewy14 said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s not that they are occupying some space, it’s that they are narrating women going through a damn tough time.

I wish I had my own narrator, that’d be cool.

Sipping his drink, chewy14 pressed ‘Submit’. As was usual, a certain mild sadness overcame him as he realised that no opinion could ever fully express his ennui. He sighed, and scanned the site again.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

It’s not that they are occupying some space, it’s that they are narrating women going through a damn tough time.

I wish I had my own narrator, that’d be cool.

Holden Caulfield said :

Until the pro-lifers can come up with a better slogan than “Keep your Rosaries off my ovaries” they’ll be fighting a losing battle, haha.

“Keep the bible out of the vagina”?

LSWCHP said :

These people might be the oldest, frailest, sweetest, most white haired and lovable Grannies in the world. Nevertheless, they are wrong in this, and I object to them attempting to inflict their obnoxious wrong-headed ideas on other people through activities such as this little demonstration.

An abortion is not a happy thing, and I think that very few women would undertake such a course of action lightly. Still, the choice to do so, or to not do so, is ultimately up to the woman involved. There is no way that a gang of absolute strangers who know nothing of the woman or her circumstances have any right to participate in the decision in any way unless the woman invites them to do so.

+ more than you can count.

Woody Mann-Caruso7:22 pm 14 Sep 12

Nevertheless, they are wrong in this, and I object to them attempting to inflict their obnoxious wrong-headed ideas on other people through activities such as this little demonstration.

Gee. I hope they don’t think you’re wrong, and object to you trying to inflict your obnoxious wrong-headed ideas on other people through activities such as commenting on a website. It’d be a swirling vortex of stupid. Smart people might get hurt.

Whatever happened to “judge not less you be judged”?

I had a friend who was a decent guy and a priest and he often said “if men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacrament”.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd6:06 pm 14 Sep 12

It’s not that they are occupying some space, it’s that they are narrating women going through a damn tough time.

If it’s what they believe then who cares if they occupy a little bit of open space in West Civic? They’re just like the Mormons knocking on doors.

Can I have the minute or so back that I’ve just spent reading the post, the comments and typing this!!?

LSWCHP said :

There is no way that a gang of absolute strangers who know nothing of the woman or her circumstances have any right to participate in the decision in any way unless the woman invites them to do so.

I agree. What is more, it is incredibly rude to make assumptions about other people and be judgemental. My mum would give me a clip over the ear for giving the kind of attitude to strangers their oldies do (albeit very passively). I’m always shocked when old people are rude and arrogant. For some reason (probably that when you are a kid you only tend to associate with a very small pool of old people who love you) I always expect old people to uphold a certain level of public decency.

troll-sniffer4:04 pm 14 Sep 12

schmeah said :

Snave81 said :

While their usual spot was fenced off, the oldies were on the other side of Alinga St each Friday. The lazy anti anti abortion uni students have been missing for a while.

The thing about being an old fuddy-duddy is that you tend to be retired and bored, so you spend your days figuring out ways you can encroach on the space and time of others; hence why the old dudes still manage to do their thing every Friday when the uni students don’t make a similar effort.

I went to Smiths Bookshop the other day, I was only in there for about 5 minutes. When I came out there was a cop writing a parking ticket. I went up to him and said, ‘Come on mate, how about giving a guy a break?’ He ignored me and continued writing the ticket. So I called him a pencil necked Nazi. He glared at me and started writing another ticket for having bald tires!! So I called him a sock tucking wanker. He finished the second ticket and put it on the car with the first. Then he started writing a third ticket!! This went on for about 20 minutes!

Anyway, after giving up with all the arguing, I walked around the corner to where my car was parked, and drove off……………

These people might be the oldest, frailest, sweetest, most white haired and lovable Grannies in the world. Nevertheless, they are wrong in this, and I object to them attempting to inflict their obnoxious wrong-headed ideas on other people through activities such as this little demonstration.

An abortion is not a happy thing, and I think that very few women would undertake such a course of action lightly. Still, the choice to do so, or to not do so, is ultimately up to the woman involved. There is no way that a gang of absolute strangers who know nothing of the woman or her circumstances have any right to participate in the decision in any way unless the woman invites them to do so.

Snave81 said :

While their usual spot was fenced off, the oldies were on the other side of Alinga St each Friday. The lazy anti anti abortion uni students have been missing for a while.

The thing about being an old fuddy-duddy is that you tend to be retired and bored, so you spend your days figuring out ways you can encroach on the space and time of others; hence why the old dudes still manage to do their thing every Friday when the uni students don’t make a similar effort.

While their usual spot was fenced off, the oldies were on the other side of Alinga St each Friday. The lazy anti anti abortion uni students have been missing for a while.

their spot’s been covered in barricades for months.

Same old dudes, just another Friday.

I’d say they haven’t been protesting because it’s cold, rather than due to pavement works.

Holden Caulfield11:47 am 14 Sep 12

Until the pro-lifers can come up with a better slogan than “Keep your Rosaries off my ovaries” they’ll be fighting a losing battle, haha.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd11:40 am 14 Sep 12

Theswe old dinosoaur pos need to mind their own buisness.

#stopthetrolls !!

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