The Assange vigil and booklet

vg said :

In company with Bradley Manning this clown released classified information to the public. If he wants to play first grade he can man up and wear the results.

What Assange is hiding from is consequences of his actions……which he seemingly isn’t man enough to face

I agree that it was not in anyone’s interests to leak information. From what I can tell it was largely ineffective. If we are to believe what we are told, I am willing for the most part. But the government has an obligation to protect its citizens anywhere in the world. Nothing has been proven in the courts and he should be given the support available to anyone abroad. Gillard basically abandoned an Australian who has still the presumption of innocence in his corner, albeit a bit of a weirdo.

Masquara said :

Good news on ABC’s The Drum webpage today for local Assange groupies – courtesy of Antony Green, we learn that apparently Assange can run for a Senate seat in any state or territory, regardless of his, er, place of domicile.

…seriously??? It’s fucking dumb that he wants to run for any form of government. He is fighting the good fight to the best of his abilities, but even if he got elected he has nothing to add in that capacity. It’s even more dumb if be is aloud to run while holed up in a embassy.

Good news on ABC’s The Drum webpage today for local Assange groupies – courtesy of Antony Green, we learn that apparently Assange can run for a Senate seat in any state or territory, regardless of his, er, place of domicile.

I listened to this very robust interview between the BBC and Assange in full on radio, but link below comes with pictures!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yvf0tl5loo

I thought he came across like more of a naughty boy than the messiah.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Becuase extradition orders for nothing more than questioning is ridiculous, especially considering they can do it via video link or in person in england. If sweden came out and said they wanted to arrest him charge him, then extradition is completely warranted.

Have you read the article in that link or are you waiting for it to come out as a comic book?

Here’s a passage from it you need to read:

“Four: “The Swedes should interview Assange in London”
This is currently the most popular contention of Assange’s many vocal supporters. But this too is based on a misunderstanding.

Assange is not wanted merely for questioning.

He is wanted for arrest.”

Masquara said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

And yes, i am more qualified and kniow far more than anyone else on this subject and all others, as i previously have stated.

You are welcome to believe your own narcissistic hubris, but for most Rioter respondents here it appears to be a treat seeing the Assange Hillsong Evangelist Sorority getting their sorry asses whipped!

That comment literally makes no sense.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

And yes, i am more qualified and kniow far more than anyone else on this subject and all others, as i previously have stated.

You are welcome to believe your own narcissistic hubris, but for most Rioter respondents here it appears to be a treat seeing the Assange Hillsong Evangelist Sorority getting their sorry asses whipped!

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I’m pretty sure you are the only one elevating him to lord and godly status.

You really do have difficulty reading and comprehending others posts, don’t you?

You are the one saying he does not have to comply with the Swedish District court, who issued a warrant for him. Or the ruling of the Svea Court of Appeal to which he appealed the issuing of the warrant (they upheld it by the way).

And you say he does not have to comply with the European Arrest Warrant, issued by the EU.

His extradition was then argued in the Belmarsh Magistrates Court, which upheld the validity of the warrant and ordered his extradition. As was his right he appealed this to the High Court of England who dismissed the appeal.

Not satisfied with that, he appealed it to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, who also dismissed the appeal.

So it has been argued in a number of jurisdictions by some of the best barristers in this field and ruled upon by magistrates and justices. But of course you know better than them.

So once again I ask you this simple question which you have continually dodged:

Why do you think he should not be bound by the laws of Sweden, the EU or the UK?

Becuase extradition orders for nothing more than questioning is ridiculous, especially considering they can do it via video link or in person in england. If sweden came out and said they wanted to arrest him/ charge him, then extradition is completely warranted.

And yes, i am more qualified and kniow far more than anyone else on this subject and all others, as i previously have stated.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

I’m pretty sure you are the only one elevating him to lord and godly status.

You really do have difficulty reading and comprehending others posts, don’t you?

You are the one saying he does not have to comply with the Swedish District court, who issued a warrant for him. Or the ruling of the Svea Court of Appeal to which he appealed the issuing of the warrant (they upheld it by the way).

And you say he does not have to comply with the European Arrest Warrant, issued by the EU.

His extradition was then argued in the Belmarsh Magistrates Court, which upheld the validity of the warrant and ordered his extradition. As was his right he appealed this to the High Court of England who dismissed the appeal.

Not satisfied with that, he appealed it to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, who also dismissed the appeal.

So it has been argued in a number of jurisdictions by some of the best barristers in this field and ruled upon by magistrates and justices. But of course you know better than them.

So once again I ask you this simple question which you have continually dodged:

Why do you think he should not be bound by the laws of Sweden, the EU or the UK?

It’s interesting but not at all surprising that the same news outlets that were so enraptured by the PM’s “Mr Abbott is a misogynist” speech are the same ones making tinfoil-hat theory excuses as to why an alleged two-time rapist shouldn’t face questioning by the police. Nothing to do with Assange’s organisation providing them with lots of free material, saving them the effort of researching their own stories, of course.

I wonder how Assange’s two alleged victims feel?

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Same could be said for peeps who believe everything as fact as long as its said by a right wing nut.

That would be true. But there don’t appear to be any of those around here. Just a few who refuse to worship The Lord Julian and believe he is just a man and should be subject to the same rules as the rest of us. I realise that is blasphemy to you and your kind.

Tell me, are the Justices of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom part of the conspiracy? Are they taking their orders from Alan Jones as well?

Is that why The Lord Julian does not have to comply with their legal rulings?

Does He only have to go along with court rulings that He personally approves of?

Or only ones that you approve of?

I’m pretty sure you are the only one elevating him to lord and godly status.

You really do have difficulty reading and comprehending others posts, don’t you?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Same could be said for peeps who believe everything as fact as long as its said by a right wing nut.

That would be true. But there don’t appear to be any of those around here. Just a few who refuse to worship The Lord Julian and believe he is just a man and should be subject to the same rules as the rest of us. I realise that is blasphemy to you and your kind.

Tell me, are the Justices of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom part of the conspiracy? Are they taking their orders from Alan Jones as well?

Is that why The Lord Julian does not have to comply with their legal rulings?

Does He only have to go along with court rulings that He personally approves of?

Or only ones that you approve of?

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Duffbowl said :

Conspiracy theorists will continue to believe what they want to be true, no matter what arguments are put forward. You may as well shout at the clouds for crossing the skies.

Same could be said for peeps who believe everything as fact as long as its said by a right wing nut.

When it comes to conspiracy theories, neither the left nor the right has soul custody.

Putting on my helmet of perceived aggression, with its most fetching bird of paradise feathers, I hope you’re not pushing me into the “right wing nut” camp, CGN. I was pointing out an opinion piece, written by a respected lawyer from the left in the UK, that undermined the most frequently heard accusations from Assange supporters about why it’s a conspiracy.

On a personal note, I don’t know whether Assange committed rape or not. It seems that the Swedes have followed their legal processes, as well as those of the EU. If the Yanks really wanted him, they would have asked the Poms. The UK has handed over suspects before with less evidence provided for similar offences; what would stop the US from doing the same now?

Duffbowl said :

Conspiracy theorists will continue to believe what they want to be true, no matter what arguments are put forward. You may as well shout at the clouds for crossing the skies.

Same could be said for peeps who believe everything as fact as long as its said by a right wing nut.

Conspiracy theorists will continue to believe what they want to be true, no matter what arguments are put forward. You may as well shout at the clouds for crossing the skies.

The matters surrounding the charges seem a little sketchy given CIA involvement. I wouldn’t pretend to know what actually happened.

Unfortunately its a charge that has been leveled at whistle blowers in the past and one which can easily damage the credibility of anyone its levelled at.

Regardless of what you think about Assange and Wikileaks – the whole situation seems a little too convenient

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You do not appear to be very bright or understand simple wording. I clearly stated that if he is actually guilty of accused crimes then he needs to be locked in a swedish prison. However, the swedish said they only want to question him on the matter, not charge him., therefore no need for extradition.

do you follow or is this too much for you to comprehend?

Gee, I wonder why his expensive and highly qualified legal didn’t use this argument? It seems like such a game winner.

Oh wait… They did. It was argued more eloquently and with more examples of precedence than you could ever hope to.

The court ruled upon it. I hazard a guess that they are slightly more qualified than you at interpreting international law. Guess what? They dismissed that argument.

But what would judges know hey? They are just mortal after all . Not like Julian.

I don’t really think anyone is more qualified than me about anything.

IMHO the world needs the likes of Assange. He is an extremist. The US military machine is also extremist. It is rare to find an organisation powerful enough to balance their power.

Clearly mistakes were made in publishing individuals names and a heavy cost was paid…but….what is the cost of not exposing the failings of the US military actions in foriegn countries. “collateral murder’ was enough to convince me of the value of Assanges actions.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You do not appear to be very bright or understand simple wording. I clearly stated that if he is actually guilty of accused crimes then he needs to be locked in a swedish prison. However, the swedish said they only want to question him on the matter, not charge him., therefore no need for extradition.

do you follow or is this too much for you to comprehend?

Gee, I wonder why his expensive and highly qualified legal didn’t use this argument? It seems like such a game winner.

Oh wait… They did. It was argued more eloquently and with more examples of precedence than you could ever hope to.

The court ruled upon it. I hazard a guess that they are slightly more qualified than you at interpreting international law. Guess what? They dismissed that argument.

But what would judges know hey? They are just mortal after all . Not like Julian.

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

bigfeet said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

post numbers: 2,4,9,12,17.

Your turn.

Funny! Really.Those are your examples? Sad.

Anyway I’m bored now and typing on my phone is annoying.

I’ll leave you with posts 30 & 36 where you clearly suggest that Assange should be held above the laws of mere mortals and not have to comply with them.

I might discuss further later, or might not .

You do not appear to be very bright or understand simple wording. I clearly stated that if he is actually guilty of accused crimes then he needs to be locked in a swedish prison. However, the swedish said they only want to question him on the matter, not charge him., therefore no need for extradition.

do you follow or is this too much for you to comprehend?

CGN, I highly recommend you read the article Duffbowl provided us:

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition