6 September 2012

The bike lane is for...? (They see me rollin')

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Damien Haas has sent in this intriguing user of a bicycle lane seen today heading down Northbourne Avenue.

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Consulting the road rules, it look like he should not be on the road there AND he is supposed to be wearing a bicycle helmet.

Bit ridiculous that knowing the road rules when you don’t need a license involves a more thorough reading of them to catch all the tricky notes and sub-clauses. See Note 3.

Division 2 Rules for persons travelling in or on wheeled recreational devices and wheeled toys
Note 1 For the Australian Road Rules, a person in or on a wheeled recreational device or wheeled toy is a pedestrian, not a rider — see rule 18 (d). This Division contains rules that apply only to persons
travelling in or on wheeled recreational devices and wheeled toys.
Note 2 Wheeled recreational device and wheeled toy are defined in the dictionary.
Note 3 Rules that apply to users of wheeled recreational devices also apply to users of motorised scooters — see the definitions of wheeled recreational device and motorised scooter in the dictionary.

240 Wheeled recreational devices and toys not to be used on certain roads
(1) A person must not travel in or on a wheeled recreational device or wheeled toy on:
(a) a road with a dividing line or median strip; or
(b) a road on which the speed-limit is greater than 50 kilometres per hour; or
(c) a one-way road with more than 1 marked lane.
(2) A person must not travel in or on a wheeled recreational device:
(b) on a road at night; or

244B Wearing of helmets by users of motorised scooters
A person who is travelling on a motorised scooter on a road or road-related area must wear an approved bicycle helmet securely fitted and fastened on his or her head, unless he or she is exempt from wearing a bicycle helmet under another law of this jurisdiction.

tim_c said :

I’d assume the rules for use of a bike lane are the same as for use of any cycleway: that they are for all non-motorised traffic as well as motorised wheelchairs.

Um, no.

dph said :

An elderly man in Curtin used to do this. However he would go one better & use the road lanes. I’d always see him on Carruthers St, heading towards the shops.

He’s either no longer with us anymore or the police caught up with him. Wouldn’t be hard when you’re doing 5km per hr. So dangerous.

Indeed,I recall a similarly inclined old man used to ride his on the round; stopping at red lights and using round a bouts, the whole shabang ..

I’d assume the rules for use of a bike lane are the same as for use of any cycleway: that they are for all non-motorised traffic as well as motorised wheelchairs.

I know that guy. He’s not entirely all there, and his scooter is a pretty quick one. Probably better for the pedestrians if he does use the cycle lane.

Brandi said :

The footpath in the picture looks clear but it could be he was just nipping around an out-of-frame obstruction. He’s forcing cyclists into traffic to overtake him, but I’m sure this won’t be a problem if Canberra motorists are as gracious and sharing as always.

No, he was traveling down Northbourne at 3 PM in heavy traffic, in the cycle lane. he had been on the road for at least a kilometer. i stopped at two lights and he caught up to me at both. he was traveling at jogging speed as well, much faster than walking pace. There are footpaths on Northbourne Avenue. i was actually quite concerned. many cars ahead of me swerved to avoid him. he was not staying strictly in the cycle lane at all times.

Scratching my head at the people suggesting that the bike lane/using the road is a safer option.

Surely a bumpy footpath is nothing compared to being cleaned up by a car/bus/truck? At least on a bicycle, you have some chance of moving/pedaling out of the away. Those things have zero mobility & move at a snails pace.

If a car/bus/truck was to lose control or not see you there, you’d be finished!

2012 ACT Road Rules, p99:

Bicycle lanes are reserved for the use of
bicycle riders only.

Australian Road Rules Feb 2012, rule 153:

A driver (except the rider of a bicycle) must not drive in a
bicycle lane

Drivers of motorised wheelchairs slower than 10kph are defined as pedestrians and can travel on bicycle paths as pedestrians (rule 239) but not on bicycle lanes.

The footpath in the picture looks clear but it could be he was just nipping around an out-of-frame obstruction. He’s forcing cyclists into traffic to overtake him, but I’m sure this won’t be a problem if Canberra motorists are as gracious and sharing as always.

Motorised wheelchairs are allowed to be used on footpaths and cycleways, so why not on-road cyclelanes as well?

This is very common around Queanbeyan fyi

Impoverished_Student10:24 am 07 Sep 12

Currently in a wheelchair and it’s hell on most footpaths. Not only are they almost impossible to navigate being uneven and at times non-existent, but you also have to keep an eye out for pedestrians who don’t give way.

Don’t blame the guy in the gopher. It’s probably his safest option. Both for him, and the pedestrians.

grunge_hippy said :

there was a dude who used to do this in gowrie, but didnt wear any pants, just a hospital gown.

not nearly as pleasant.

I think you will find that person is infact Henry_BG, a regular on this forum.

grunge_hippy7:57 pm 06 Sep 12

there was a dude who used to do this in gowrie, but didnt wear any pants, just a hospital gown.

not nearly as pleasant.

Having worked as a carer for wheelchair bound people, many footpaths are literally impossible for wheelchairs to go on. The guy probably didn’t have much choice.

I can’t speak for the ACT, but motorised wheelchairs in QLD are even registered. It does look like a little number plate on the back there.

milkman said :

Good on him, I don’t see the problem.

I only see one problem, he doesn’t have a sticker on the back saying “Don’t like my driving? Watch for finger!”

No problem I can see. He’s in the lane, doesn’t appear to be obstructing anyone.

I do have a problem with the cyclists who don’t use the lanes properly, who ride to abreast so they’re obstructing the car lane, or motorcyclists who sneak into them and then jar back in to traffic.

Good on him, I don’t see the problem.

wildturkeycanoe6:12 pm 06 Sep 12

Why not? Cyclists don’t use cycle lanes anyway. Just this morning I saw a cyclist on William Hovell Dr. riding NOT in the bike lane, but on the white line that divides it from the car lane. This was not just a once off “veer” but a definite attempt to keep on the line and make all the cars behind swerve to avoid him/her. Then there are the odd ones on [dare I say it] Lady Denman Dr. who prefer the adrenaline rush of the traffic to the peaceful and safe cycle path adjacent.
Use it or lose it I say.

I saw a gentleman going down Moncrieff St in Dickson after school yesterday. his hazard lights were on and he waved.

Carruthers St is 100% legal, its even in the Road Rules. I used to see a guy doing the same on Banjalong in Aranda. Fair enough as the way the footpath rises and plunges just there ruled it out.
Scooters are underpowered and very sensitive to poor surfaces, which can force them onto the road.

Good on him. They are wasted on bikes.

If only there was a smooth footpath with no cracks, broken edges, mud or debris covering it which the old codger could safely navigate with their electric scooter, they would probably be using it.

An elderly man in Curtin used to do this. However he would go one better & use the road lanes. I’d always see him on Carruthers St, heading towards the shops.

He’s either no longer with us anymore or the police caught up with him. Wouldn’t be hard when you’re doing 5km per hr. So dangerous.

He’s only being aspirational

Nothing like a feeling of self-entitlement. If only there was a footpath nearby.

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