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The full litany of prison complaints

johnboy 13 May 2009 45

The Liberals Jeremy Hanson has finally got his prison complaint list online. So here goes:

    — The iris scanner only works after multiple attempts;
    — The searching of visitors is intrusive and demeaning;
    — The prison is freezing cold and prisoners have inadequate clothing:
    — The food portions are inadequate;
    — A mother and child were locked in the chamber access to the visiting area when the electronic system failed;
    — A number of doors, toilets, and door handles are faulty;
    — Prisoners are told that if they touch Mr Hargreaves glass artwork that was installed at massive expense in the visitors’ area then visits will be cancelled!

The cold is an interesting one. That can kill people over time, especially if they’re on a reduced calorie diet. (In a human rights compliant way).


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Spideydog Spideydog 12:05 pm 14 May 09

Deadmandrinking said :

I agree with Jim. The role of society should include setting an example. It’s well known and well documented that societies that come down brutally on people who break their laws only breed harder criminals.

Yeah thats why we have such a fantastic rehabilitation rate with these new touchy feely prisons and “corrections” practices ……. NOT.

The japanese have a tough love approach to criminals and I don’t see them “breeding harder criminals”

I’m all for rehabilitation, but use something that works.

McDoctor McDoctor 11:34 am 14 May 09

Mr Hargreaves artwork??? Is that of or by Mr Hargreaves?

Not that it matters. But why is Mr Hargreaves artwork not seen as the most disturbing piece de resistance on the list??

Kooky….

Deadmandrinking Deadmandrinking 11:32 am 14 May 09

I agree with Jim. The role of society should include setting an example. It’s well known and well documented that societies that come down brutally on people who break their laws only breed harder criminals.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 11:25 am 14 May 09

Pommy bastard said :

sunshine said :

GnT said :

couldn’t agree more…people are still people and should be treated accordingly

You missed a bit there; people are still people and should be treated accord to the way they treat society.

You want to mug, burgle rape, and abuse? Sure, you will forgive us if we don’t go the extra yards to feed and clothe you when you go to jail then, will you? After all, people are people…

Shorter PB: “He did something bad, therefore I’m allowed to do bad things to him.”

You’re arguing that two wrongs make a right. By that logic, if you forgot to pay your taxes I should be allowed to repeatedly kick you in the balls.

H1NG0 H1NG0 11:03 am 14 May 09

I have been out there quite a bit for work and never had a problem with the Iris scanners. Maybe it gets mixed up by the dilated pupils of junkies. As a person who has had a full tour of the joint, It think it is pretty swank to me. Far too nice for prisoner scum but our rubbish government thinks these people deserve big plasma TVs on their walls. It is much better than Belco Remand, Symonston or Quamby. I reckon they should have a big cup of shut the f**k up.

MrMagoo MrMagoo 11:02 am 14 May 09

Blingerific said :

Well, um, it *is* a prison isn’t it? Not a holiday resort?

Sure it is not good that security measures/devices are not working as advertised but I know of office buildings (hello Campbell Park) that are constantly cold and the workers within are not equipped for those conditions yet Parliament (State or Federal) isn’t banging on about those is it?

Exactly, its a prison, for people who have committed crimes against society. Its not Club Med. I do think certain things aren’t great, like the mother and child being caught out by a security measure, but ITS A JAIL

Pommy bastard Pommy bastard 7:33 am 14 May 09

sunshine said :

GnT said :

couldn’t agree more…people are still people and should be treated accordingly

You missed a bit there; people are still people and should be treated accord to the way they treat society.

You want to mug, burgle rape, and abuse? Sure, you will forgive us if we don’t go the extra yards to feed and clothe you when you go to jail then, will you? After all, people are people…

ant ant 11:10 pm 13 May 09

I’m wearing my rug tonight, I knew having ice cream was a mistake. And it’s not even properly cold yet. You can certainly live without heating, and I bet the prison has some form of heating. Maybe the criminal element are used to living in fugs.

sepi sepi 10:14 pm 13 May 09

I lived in a weatherboard in yarralumla and the toilet and bathroom/laundry were outside – there was heating – a fireplace. The house was cute in summer though.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 10:11 pm 13 May 09

As a student I lived in a weather board in Turner and we couldn’t afford heating. I remember having to put the kettle in the fridge before going to bed, because if you didn’t the water would be frozen in te morning, taps in the kitchen would freeze, even the water in the bloody dunny!

That said, I think heating a place so you can wander about in a t-shirt nd jeans when it’s -3 outside is a bit rich. A jumper, beanie and a good pair of socks should suffice for these people.

Thumper Thumper 9:55 pm 13 May 09

‘The Short Timers’ leaves you cold as well, and slightly disturbed.

sepi sepi 8:48 pm 13 May 09

‘The Tenderness of Wolves’ is another book that makes you feel cold just reading it.

I’ve lived in several houses in Canberra with no heating. Blo*dy awful. And didn’t several old people die way back when, when there was a power failure? Or is this an urban myth.

Thumper Thumper 8:27 pm 13 May 09

A couple of years ago mI spent a Canberra winter with absolutely no heating at all.

yes, it was bloody cold, and I’m still alive.

Having said that, did Hargreaves sign off on the gaol after lunch? It’s zeeming rather apparent that it wasn’t ready.

Sleaz274 Sleaz274 7:38 pm 13 May 09

OMG its cold…. in canberra….. in winter…… in prison?

After several weeks of smaller meals their stomachs will adjust and they won’t be fat lazy ahtards who while away their hours by thinking of ways to breach the human rights of others.

Go ask the ADFA and RMC cadets if the Army gives a flying f*** if they are a little bit chilly during training exercises out in Majura in the rocks and kangaroo s*** for weeks at a time.

Maybe they should all receive one copy of “a day in the life of Ivan Denosovich(?)” Now just reading that book makes me shiver.

trickyxr trickyxr 6:22 pm 13 May 09

I think that no matter what, they have got to be doing it better than the homeless.

Clown Killer Clown Killer 6:20 pm 13 May 09

The iris scanner only works after multiple attempts

Warranty issue – get the people who installed it to come fix it. Alternately, stay off the drugs and after a week or so you’re retinas will become less dilated and there’ll be more iris to scan.

The searching of visitors is intrusive and demeaning

No apologies. Comprehensive physical searches of visitors is still the best way of insuring that the only contraband that gets into the prison is brought in by the security guards – they have profit margins to protect.

The prison is freezing cold and prisoners have inadequate clothing

On the one hand prison is where we send our convicted criminals as punishment, it isn’t supposed to be a venue for punishment. On the other hand they could harden the fcuk up. In the end its an easy fix, give them all a jumper.

The food portions are inadequate

You’ll find you do less in prison. You’re not running down a lane way with a DVD player under your arm any more. You don’t need the extra calories (unless you want to stay warm).

A mother and child were locked in the chamber access to the visiting area when the electronic system failed

Not much excuse for this really. Warranty issue.

A number of doors, toilets, and door handles are faulty

You’re supposed to turn the knob dipshit, not kick the door in.

Prisoners are told that if they touch Mr Hargreaves glass artwork that was installed at massive expense in the visitors’ area then visits will be cancelled!

This is just part of the rehabilitation process people – it’s called look but don’t touch. It teaches simple concepts like taking responsibility for your actions … if you damage something, you will pay a price – it’s not bloody rocket surgery.

shutterbug shutterbug 5:56 pm 13 May 09

“The searching of visitors is intrusive and demeaning”

Only if your searched in a dark room by big bloke called Bubba.

“The food portions are inadequate;”

Don’t they get prison allowances each week. Save up and have some Dominos delivered… actually, after the last Dominos pizza I tasted, I think allowing such food in that prison would violate human rights.

lobster lobster 5:13 pm 13 May 09

It all depends on the extent to which these complaints go.
For instance:
** – The iris scanner only works after multiple attempts;**
Does this mean that some one once had to scan their eye twice? Or does it mean that everyone has to scan their eye 10 times to get it to work? Or somewhere in between?

**– The searching of visitors is intrusive and demeaning;**
What is considered intrusive? Is getting asked to stand still while getting a metal detector waived over you intrusive? Is getting a pat down intrusive? Is getting an X Ray Intrusive? Is being stripped and cavity searched intrusive?
Needs to actually go into detail.

**– The prison is freezing cold and prisoners have inadequate clothing:**
This would be fairly easy to measure I would think. Look at a thermometre and say “The prison is sitting at XX degrees C in temperature. It should be at ZZ degrees C.”
Don’t just say “It’s cold”
And what is inadequate clothing? Are they running around in G strings and singlets or are they not given a spare jacket to wear while the other jacket is being cleaned?

Any of these things could be either really bad human rights/security breaches or on the other hand be someone nitpicking

Mr Evil Mr Evil 4:18 pm 13 May 09

peterh said :

….who in their right mind would put glass artwork into a prison?

The same kind of idiot who’d go and put fist sized stones in the foyer of the Magistrate’s Court?

Maybe the prisoners aren’t allowed to touch the glass artwork because they’ll leave finger prints on it?

shiny flu shiny flu 4:10 pm 13 May 09

– The iris scanner only works after multiple attempts;

Well, if only they weren’t all sporting dilated pupils…

– The searching of visitors is intrusive and demeaning;

Yeah, because we want the family of criminals to be bringing drugs/weapons/contraband inside so that hubby can make some money whilst being on the ‘inside’.

– The food portions are inadequate;

Doesn’t mean that the calorie intake isn’t.

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