7 September 2010

The future arrives at 3pm

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We hear the press conference has been set for 3pm when we find out which major party’s been able to lube themselves up enough to offer a pleasing sensation to the rural independents.

As Canberra’s public servants hold their breath we’ll let you know when it comes through.

UPDATE: 13:37 Bob Katter announces for the Liberals. (other independents not yet announced, Oakeshott scheduled for 3pm)

Further Update: 15:07 Tony Windsor for Labor.

And the winner is: Oakeshott backs, well he goes on and on, but he’s talking about Government so let’s call it for Gillard at 15:27.

15:31 It’s official Gillard to remain PM.

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Thoroughly Smashed2:52 pm 17 Sep 10

fragge said :

If labour [sic] had won the election with a majority in the two party such as in 2007 I may not have been to [sic] excited however would have accepted that as a fair democratic process.

Just to keep you updated on this, it appears they did.

Uhhh, the article itself contradicts you.

I still haven’t decided whether you’re dishonest or just don’t have the attention span to read the whole article. It doesn’t really matter any more though.

exfed2 said :

lol

Ell Oh Ell to you too.

exfed2 said :

I suppose the people should be used to consistent inaccurate statements after the last 3 years.

Just to keep those of you living on another planet updated: http://vtr.aec.gov.au/

Skidbladnir said :

Have a copy posted to your (or anybody’s) doorstep for the bargain price of only 58 cents.

Followup:
The $0.58 per copy price is for institutions or for groups of people with a need for bulk batches, like schools or legal firms.
The Parliamentary Education Office will actually provide copies to individuals on request for free, and their staff are very friendly.

The pocket edition comes with notes on Amendments, and a plain english Overview of each Section from the Australian Government Solicitor.
Now you have no excuse to not possess your own copy, and if you want to argue about it you have no excuse for not having read it.

PS; They make handy and cheap souvenirs for a certain kind of tourist.

Holden Caulfield said :

exfed2 said :

…If you cannot see that 1 man deciding the future of our government whether he was offered a ministry or not then more fool you…

Newsflash, you have obviously missed it, but there were five men that decided the future of our government (well, by your measurement anyway). Four of them chose the ALP, just one supported the Coalition.

Newsflash http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/election2010/7959238/joyce-says-oakeshott-not-being-upfront

Whose VOTE secured labour to power

When do we see the donkey elected.

Gungahlin Al said :

Meanwhile in the Senate, it seems that counted has led to Gary Humphries dropping below a full quota. This means that the 1500-odd people who voted Democrats above the line may have put Humphries back into the senate, due to Darren Churchill’s distorted view of Democrats history and his personal hatred of the Greens. There was a chance to change the entire government direction immediately there – blown by effectively a couple of people struggling to convince people the party isn’t just a corpse on life support.

Has that count been updated on the AEC website?
I’m one of those 1500 who voted above the line Democrats. If they had preferenced the Greens I definitely would have voted below the line.
This whole election was a joke. Giant Douche Vs Turd Sandwich.

Pommy bastard1:25 pm 09 Sep 10

The title of this thread made me howl when I first heard it, there was once a famous advert campaign in the UK:

Orange is the brand used by France Télécom for its mobile network operator and Internet service provider subsidiaries. It is the fifth largest telecom operator in the world,

advertising agency WCRS created the Orange slogan

“The Future’s bright, the Future’s Orange”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(telecommunications)

“The Future’s bright, the Future’s Orange”, how apt is that !!

🙂

Jim Jones said :

exfed2 said :

lol, I suppose the people should be used to consistent inaccurate statements after the last 3 years.

Yeah, just like we should only believe something Tony says if it’s written down.

… hang on … I seem to be missing $11 Billion Dollars … where could I possibly have put it? Maybe I lost it, along with my economic credibility.

Please Jim you cannot possibly go down that line! If you ran a business and left me in charge with 20k in the bank whilst you went overseas and upon your return I had squandered your 20 and taken out a loan for another 40 what would you do with me? 🙂

Oh but hang on they ‘did get us through the global financial crisis…….’ Like to see what they would do if there was another GFC with the current debt they have gotten us into

Holden Caulfield12:46 pm 09 Sep 10

Gungahlin Al said :

Meanwhile in the Senate, it seems that counted has led to Gary Humphries dropping below a full quota. This means that the 1500-odd people who voted Democrats above the line may have put Humphries back into the senate, due to Darren Churchill’s distorted view of Democrats history and his personal hatred of the Greens. There was a chance to change the entire government direction immediately there

Not sure if I missed it, but I’m surprised the Greens didn’t push that angle very hard during the campaign.

Woody Mann-Caruso12:41 pm 09 Sep 10

Maybe I lost it, along with my economic credibility.

Jim, Jim, Jim. You need to understand that there are two realities. They’re both equally valid, equally real. Those numbers weren’t wrong. It was just a difference of opinion, a matter of perspective.

$11b worth of perspective.

exfed2 said :

lol, I suppose the people should be used to consistent inaccurate statements after the last 3 years.

Yeah, just like we should only believe something Tony says if it’s written down.

… hang on … I seem to be missing $11 Billion Dollars … where could I possibly have put it? Maybe I lost it, along with my economic credibility.

fragge said :

If labour [sic] had won the election with a majority in the two party such as in 2007 I may not have been to [sic] excited however would have accepted that as a fair democratic process.

Just to keep you updated on this, it appears they did.

Uhhh, the article itself contradicts you. They appear to be projecting future declaration votes based on 8 seats. Money quote:

The overall results of the count so far can be found at the AEC here. Note the current two party preferred figures of 49.99 to Labor and 50.01 to Coalition.

lol, I suppose the people should be used to consistent inaccurate statements after the last 3 years.

Gungahlin Al9:20 am 09 Sep 10

Meanwhile in the Senate, it seems that counted has led to Gary Humphries dropping below a full quota. This means that the 1500-odd people who voted Democrats above the line may have put Humphries back into the senate, due to Darren Churchill’s distorted view of Democrats history and his personal hatred of the Greens. There was a chance to change the entire government direction immediately there – blown by effectively a couple of people struggling to convince people the party isn’t just a corpse on life support.

If labour [sic] had won the election with a majority in the two party such as in 2007 I may not have been to [sic] excited however would have accepted that as a fair democratic process.

Just to keep you updated on this, it appears they did.

Uhhh, the article itself contradicts you. They appear to be projecting future declaration votes based on 8 seats. Money quote:

The overall results of the count so far can be found at the AEC here. Note the current two party preferred figures of 49.99 to Labor and 50.01 to Coalition.

Not that it matters, we’re now stuck with labor until the next by-election. Hope they don’t get a chance to implement multiple 10-year plans before that time, I love that impossible-to-fail tactic. ‘Oh we’ll give the people out in regional Australia some money, but its going to be meshed out over 10 years’. I can see the independents grovelling for more handouts in 2 years from now with labor’s response – ‘oh, but we promised you 10bn!’. Our budget is what, 350bn (roughly) running at a deficit of around 20bn? Hope with their cuts to gambling revenue for state government and increased taxation of luxury and recreation items (fast cars, tobacco, alcohol) can account for these ridiculous promises. Where’s my nephew’s laptop? Still waiting. Not that he needed nor wanted it in the first place. Wonder what timeframe they’ll set for this NBN, 10 or 20 years? Guaranteed it will be set for a time when they’re out of power and no longer ‘responsible’.

Holden Caulfield11:30 pm 08 Sep 10

exfed2 said :

…If you cannot see that 1 man deciding the future of our government whether he was offered a ministry or not then more fool you…

Newsflash, you have obviously missed it, but there were five men that decided the future of our government (well, by your measurement anyway). Four of them chose the ALP, just one supported the Coalition.

Hells_Bells7410:22 pm 08 Sep 10

I prefer your RA Vet. one too, Gungahlin Al.

I went away and applied my brain and numbers I’d heard and oh now I get it (I hope), they needed 76 seats to form majority. Labor had 72, Liberal 70, 3 Independents go Labor’s way (1 to the coalition) and add 1 Green to the mix to make 76.

Sometimes I wish I’d never registered to vote!

Thoroughly Smashed8:20 pm 08 Sep 10

Gungahlin Al said :

Dead right. They never want anyone to remember that the Coalition is – you know – a coalition. And they never want anyone to remember how sucky their primary votes are, or that this means 12 to 20% of people only gave them a preference because the electoral law forces them to. Which is why both old parties won’t support OPTIONAL preferential voting.

The best bit was Tony claiming, as meaningless as any other metric either side has come up with, to have won the most seats and also claiming that Labor and Greens had formed a coalition. Which one do you want Tony? You can only choose one.

Gungahlin Al4:24 pm 08 Sep 10

Woody Mann-Caruso said :

Get the point, I am a liberal supporter as there are many others, just like there are many labour supporters.

Pity for you there are many, many more of the latter than there are of the former.

Party / primary votes / percent of primary votes
Labor / 4,694,191 / 38.0
Liberal / 3,761,275 / 30.4

But surely the 5.4% swing against Labor means it lost its mandate? Except that the Libs only picked up 1.5% of that swing, with the Greens – the mortal enemies of the conservatives – picking up the other 4%, and independents picking up the scraps. And who do we have in government now? Why, it’s Labor, and the Greens (you know – the hippy fringe lunatics who almost outpolled your precious LNP and Nat toadies combined), and a couple of independents.

I love how when the Libs can only form government through a coalition with banjo-plucking uncle-f*ckers it’s manifest destiny, but when Labour does it with a scant handful of hangers-on it’s electoral fraud.

PS – ha ha!

Aw crap. Here I am agreeing again with Woody. This has to stop.

Dead right. They never want anyone to remember that the Coalition is – you know – a coalition. And they never want anyone to remember how sucky their primary votes are, or that this means 12 to 20% of people only gave them a preference because the electoral law forces them to. Which is why both old parties won’t support OPTIONAL preferential voting.

“banjo-plucking…etc” LOL!

(PS: I’m still hating this Agitator rating. Much preferred “RA Veteran”.)

Hells_Bells742:22 pm 08 Sep 10

I’m so confused! I might go throw myself in front of a train…

Pommy bastard said :

Jim Jones said :

braddonboy said :

Unfortunately, none of us got to vote for who really runs the country – big media, big mining, big finance.

reptoids

David Ike told me that too..

Mind you, I’d prefer Reptoids to a Welsh Ranga

🙂

I think you’ll find that when Kevin stepped out of the room, a reptoid jumped Gillard and stole her skin. Hence the rude shock when he stepped back in.

Thoroughly Smashed1:42 pm 08 Sep 10

exfed2 said :

And round and round they go 🙂

Your spin has been stopped dead kiddo.

Round and round and round…………. congratulations to you, enjoy the next 3yrs, or 1 or 6mths. Where it stops nobody knows 🙂

Pommy bastard1:24 pm 08 Sep 10

Jim Jones said :

braddonboy said :

Unfortunately, none of us got to vote for who really runs the country – big media, big mining, big finance.

reptoids

David Ike told me that too..

Mind you, I’d prefer Reptoids to a Welsh Ranga

🙂

Woody Mann-Caruso1:16 pm 08 Sep 10

Get the point, I am a liberal supporter as there are many others, just like there are many labour supporters.

Pity for you there are many, many more of the latter than there are of the former.

Party / primary votes / percent of primary votes
Labor / 4,694,191 / 38.0
Liberal / 3,761,275 / 30.4

But surely the 5.4% swing against Labor means it lost its mandate? Except that the Libs only picked up 1.5% of that swing, with the Greens – the mortal enemies of the conservatives – picking up the other 4%, and independents picking up the scraps. And who do we have in government now? Why, it’s Labor, and the Greens (you know – the hippy fringe lunatics who almost outpolled your precious LNP and Nat toadies combined), and a couple of independents.

I love how when the Libs can only form government through a coalition with banjo-plucking uncle-f*ckers it’s manifest destiny, but when Labour does it with a scant handful of hangers-on it’s electoral fraud.

PS – ha ha!

And round and round they go 🙂

When all is said and done Gillard received a bigger share of the vote than Howard in ’98. And the fact that the Murdoch Coalition only managed to pick up the Mad Katter endorsement booby prize says a lot.

Thoroughly Smashed12:37 pm 08 Sep 10

exfed2 said :

If labour [sic] had won the election with a majority in the two party such as in 2007 I may not have been to [sic] excited however would have accepted that as a fair democratic process.

Just to keep you updated on this, it appears they did.

Thoroughly Smashed12:29 pm 08 Sep 10

exfed2 said :

Thoroughly Smashed said :

exfed2 said :

I’ve always remained staunch in not arguing with labour [sic] or greens supporters. Not about to break that now

Maybe it’s a bad time for me to point out that you already have?

Stating a fact is all. No it’s fine, your [sic] right and I’m wrong. No seriously you are.

I suppose you’re probably correct, in a Monty Python kind of way.

exfed2 said :

Fact is the nation was waiting for 3pm and one mans decision on who would run our country.

Oh yeah, ignore the entire election, hung parliament, the fact that this was a decision by a bunch of independents and small party representatives to see who forms government (we haven’t even got to individual pieces of legislation yet) and, indeed, ignore the very concept of representative parliamentary democracy and instead push the ‘one mans decision’ line.

Dude, that’s so disingenuous it’s not even funny.

Hissy fit of truly epic proportions.

braddonboy said :

Unfortunately, none of us got to vote for who really runs the country – big media, big mining, big finance.

reptoids

exfed2 said :

Postalgeek said :

exfed2 said :

Sad sad day. 1 or 2 individuals for whatever personal reasons decide who governs the people.

As opposed to all the completely objective motives driving all the political plays and votes leading up to this point? These individuals are the unpremeditated result of 20 million votes and abstentions driven by personal reasons.

Dry your eyes princess.

I suppose I don’t need to know you to understand your ignorance. Get the point, I am a liberal supporter as there are many others, just like there are many labour supporters. One thing I pride myself on is being a fair sport. If labour had won the election with a majority in the two party such as in 2007 I may not have been to excited however would have accepted that as a fair democratic process.

If you cannot see that 1 man deciding the future of our government whether he was offered a ministry or not then more fool you. Keep your blinkers on then champ and it will be I who will be there for you in the near future with a box of kleenex handy. Or maybe not because sometimes people just never learn…………..

mmmmyes, we all know fair democratic results are fine until people don’t vote the way you want them to, and then it’s a dictatorship.

And you’ll have to remind me when the Liberals last commanded a majority in Reps? Last time I looked they were part of a coalition.

Enjoy your hissy fit.

Unfortunately, none of us got to vote for who really runs the country – big media, big mining, big finance.

Thoroughly Smashed said :

exfed2 said :

I’ve always remained staunch in not arguing with labour [sic] or greens supporters. Not about to break that now

Maybe it’s a bad time for me to point out that you already have?

Stating a fact is all. No it’s fine, your right and I’m wrong. No seriously you are.

Thoroughly Smashed10:07 am 08 Sep 10

exfed2 said :

I’ve always remained staunch in not arguing with labour [sic] or greens supporters. Not about to break that now

Maybe it’s a bad time for me to point out that you already have?

Thoroughly Smashed9:58 am 08 Sep 10

exfed2 said :

I suppose I don’t need to know you to understand your ignorance. Get the point, I am a liberal supporter as there are many others, just like there are many labour [sic] supporters. One thing I pride myself on is being a fair sport. If labour [sic] had won the election with a majority in the two party such as in 2007 I may not have been to excited however would have accepted that as a fair democratic process.

If you cannot see that 1 man deciding the future of our government whether he was offered a ministry or not then more fool you. Keep your blinkers on then champ and it will be I who will be there for you in the near future with a box of kleenex handy. Or maybe not because sometimes people just never learn…………..

Since when have winners of elections in this country been decided by nationwide vote totals? I seem to remember in the 1998 election John Howard was returned as PM despite losing the nationwide popular vote. Oh how different things would be if your bizarre interpretation of democracy was true.

You can spin it any way you like. What matters is that one party now has a majority of support on the floor of the lower house, this time it just happened to be the “wrong” one for you. And the irony in your Kleenex statement…

Dot dot dot!

Thoroughly Smashed said :

exfed2 said :

Sad sad day. 1 or 2 individuals for whatever personal reasons decide who governs the people. That my friends is not democracy and the ‘PM’ standing before the people and stating that democracy is alive and well should be ashamed of herself.

If you’re an honest person, your reaction would be the same regardless of which side the independents chose. I have a feeling though that your reaction is purely based on who they decided was the better choice for government.

This is democracy in action, regardless of what you think “democracy” actually means. It’s not a handful of independent candidates deciding who runs the country, unless you forget all the major party candidates that were also elected at the same time. It’s 76 seats in the lower house of parliament, not four.

exfed2 said :

What has happened today is a true example of dictatorship at it’s finest and all who recognise or follow such a ‘government’ are no more than lambs awaiting the slaughter.

Oh! I know who you are now, you’re Bob Katter.

exfed2 said :

Sure the responses will be colourful and interesting…………

They will most likely be less colourful than your effort, but undoubtedly more interesting.

Fact is the nation was waiting for 3pm and one mans decision on who would run our country. If you feel that’s democracy maybe a gillard government is a good thing as the extra day at school would no doubt benefit someone such as yourself immensely.

I’ve always remained staunch in not arguing with labour or greens supporters. Not about to break that now

Thoroughly Smashed9:48 am 08 Sep 10

trevar said :

vg said :

I have a sneaking suspicion that we’re all going to rue Oakeshott’s love of the sound of his own voice

Oh, give him a chance! He was long-winded, but it’s vaguely justifiable in this instance… if he’s still doing that in two weeks, let’s start whining about him then!

I got the impression it was very deliberate, and if he didn’t get it out before he announced his support nobody would have paid any attention. Other than his early suggestions behind a wry smile that the two parties could work together, he hasn’t seemed to say anything completely mad yet which is a bonus.

Gungahlin Al9:45 am 08 Sep 10

grass said :

Can anyone explain to me the difference between the parties throwing money at these bozos and their electorates (Windsor may not be a bozo I admit) and Ros Kelly and her trusty whiteboard?

The difference? They didn’t. And “these bozos” as you so delicately put it didn’t ask for Brian Harradine style pork barrelling for their own electorates. They asked for resourcing to be directed outside the major metro areas across the whole country. Perhaps you haven’t realised this could be of benefit for the ACT and surrounds too?

vg said :

Speaking of swearing, did anyone hear the female journo at the ass end of the ABC News Network conference (on 103.9) let out a very audible ‘oh for f**ks sake’ at the end of the questions. Was the highlight for me.

I missed it, but was following Annabel Crabb’s Tweets through it all and she was hilariously climbing the walls waiting for Oakeshott to cough it up. So I’m guessing it had to be her.

Postalgeek said :

exfed2 said :

Sad sad day. 1 or 2 individuals for whatever personal reasons decide who governs the people.

As opposed to all the completely objective motives driving all the political plays and votes leading up to this point? These individuals are the unpremeditated result of 20 million votes and abstentions driven by personal reasons.

Dry your eyes princess.

I suppose I don’t need to know you to understand your ignorance. Get the point, I am a liberal supporter as there are many others, just like there are many labour supporters. One thing I pride myself on is being a fair sport. If labour had won the election with a majority in the two party such as in 2007 I may not have been to excited however would have accepted that as a fair democratic process.

If you cannot see that 1 man deciding the future of our government whether he was offered a ministry or not then more fool you. Keep your blinkers on then champ and it will be I who will be there for you in the near future with a box of kleenex handy. Or maybe not because sometimes people just never learn…………..

Gungahlin Al9:39 am 08 Sep 10

Thoroughly Smashed said :

Skidbladnir said :

15:31 It’s official Gillard to remain PM.

Well, at least until the next byelection or until her Governance fails on its own.

Even if the next by-election occurs in a coalition or safe seat?

A by-election occurs in Fraser. Oh no it’s a by-election! Labor are doomed! Oh wait…

LOL!

Thoroughly Smashed9:38 am 08 Sep 10

bd84 said :

People seem to forget that the Governor-General needs to swear in a stable government, if she applies the constitution correctly she should be rejecting the proposed majority on the basis of a 1 seat majority using 3 independents is not stable.

Coalition government with greens holding the senate, or Labor government with greens holding the senate. Which one do you think is likely to be more stable?

And – maybe I’m reading too much in to what you said – why do you appear to believe that one side would have been more or less stable with independent support than the other?

bd84 said :

There will be a change in government or a new election within a year.

And if in one year’s time two of the independents change their minds and put the coalition in, who’s to suppose it won’t happen again another year later?

Hells_Bells749:34 am 08 Sep 10

Oh, I don’t suppose it was half with greens and independents and such, can you adjust that according. What I meant was half of the Liberal/Labor voters.

Thoroughly Smashed9:32 am 08 Sep 10

exfed2 said :

Sad sad day. 1 or 2 individuals for whatever personal reasons decide who governs the people. That my friends is not democracy and the ‘PM’ standing before the people and stating that democracy is alive and well should be ashamed of herself.

If you’re an honest person, your reaction would be the same regardless of which side the independents chose. I have a feeling though that your reaction is purely based on who they decided was the better choice for government.

This is democracy in action, regardless of what you think “democracy” actually means. It’s not a handful of independent candidates deciding who runs the country, unless you forget all the major party candidates that were also elected at the same time. It’s 76 seats in the lower house of parliament, not four.

exfed2 said :

What has happened today is a true example of dictatorship at it’s finest and all who recognise or follow such a ‘government’ are no more than lambs awaiting the slaughter.

Oh! I know who you are now, you’re Bob Katter.

exfed2 said :

Sure the responses will be colourful and interesting…………

They will most likely be less colourful than your effort, but undoubtedly more interesting.

Hells_Bells749:26 am 08 Sep 10

cleo said :

Yay go Julia, I knew you would get in, who bloody wants Abbott the Rabbit?

Apparently, around half the voting population, cleo 🙂

Although, if like me they didn’t particually want him in, just change or exactly what has happened, a minority Govt.. What was with Julia yesterday afternoon spruking about being a majority government? Does she herself have little understanding of what happened, or is it me thinking too black and white again?

Thoroughly Smashed9:26 am 08 Sep 10

Skidbladnir said :

15:31 It’s official Gillard to remain PM.

Well, at least until the next byelection or until her Governance fails on its own.

Even if the next by-election occurs in a coalition or safe seat?

A by-election occurs in Fraser. Oh no it’s a by-election! Labor are doomed! Oh wait…

exfed2 said :

Sad sad day. 1 or 2 individuals for whatever personal reasons decide who governs the people.

As opposed to all the completely objective motives driving all the political plays and votes leading up to this point? These individuals are the unpremeditated result of 20 million votes and abstentions driven by personal reasons.

Dry your eyes princess.

Any bets on whether the rumoured offer of a ministry influenced Oakeshott at all. Then we’ll all get to hear the sound of his voice, but there won’t be much independence in sight.

As for Windsor – will his support continue after the NBN goes in around Armidale? Or will get get what he wants and pull his support (probably on a pretext) just before the next election?

Can anyone explain to me the difference between the parties throwing money at these bozos and their electorates (Windsor may not be a bozo I admit) and Ros Kelly and her trusty whiteboard?

Yay go Julia, I knew you would get in, who bloody wants Abbott the Rabbit?

Why even have an Election? Australian system is Fuct!

I give this Govt six months, maximum!

justin heywood said :

IMO all three (including Katter) spoke particularly well in justifying their decisions – a refreshing lack of bullshit.

But an awful, awful, awwwwwful lot of padding from two of them. I’m looking at you, Mr OakeforgodssakeShottup.

Go Lightly said :

bd84 said :

People seem to forget that the Governor-General needs to swear in a stable government, if she applies the constitution correctly she should be rejecting the proposed majority on the basis of a 1 seat majority using 3 independents is not stable.

There will be a change in government or a new election within a year.

Exactly! I hope there will be another election. GG should have intervened before this and called one anyway – the whole thing is a farce.

She can only really do that when neither side can form government or a supply bill gets blocked.

God help us all –

Clown Killer6:55 pm 07 Sep 10

did anyone hear the female journo at the ass end of the ABC News Network conference (on 103.9) let out a very audible ‘oh for f**ks sake’

vg, it came over crystal clear on the digal feed I was listening to.

vg said :

I have a sneaking suspicion that we’re all going to rue Oakeshott’s love of the sound of his own voice

Oh, give him a chance! He was long-winded, but it’s vaguely justifiable in this instance… if he’s still doing that in two weeks, let’s start whining about him then!

Speaking of swearing, did anyone hear the female journo at the ass end of the ABC News Network conference (on 103.9) let out a very audible ‘oh for f**ks sake’ at the end of the questions

I heard it both on ABC News 24 and Sky News. I think it would have been heard on all channels as she sounded like she was sitting right underneath the main camera that all network usually pick up.

I just found it more funny that she swore because Windsor said, “only 1 more question”, but then went on to answer about 4 more.

Sad sad day. 1 or 2 individuals for whatever personal reasons decide who governs the people. That my friends is not democracy and the ‘PM’ standing before the people and stating that democracy is alive and well should be ashamed of herself.

What has happened today is a true example of dictatorship at it’s finest and all who recognise or follow such a ‘government’ are no more than lambs awaiting the slaughter.

Sure the responses will be colourful and interesting…………

Speaking of swearing, did anyone hear the female journo at the ass end of the ABC News Network conference (on 103.9) let out a very audible ‘oh for f**ks sake’ at the end of the questions. Was the highlight for me.

I have a sneaking suspicion that we’re all going to rue Oakeshott’s love of the sound of his own voice

People seem to forget that the Governor-General needs to swear in a stable government, if she applies the constitution correctly she should be rejecting the proposed majority on the basis of a 1 seat majority using 3 independents is not stable.

What the hell are you talking about? I suggest you go and read up a bit on constitutional law and convention. Most pertinent to your ridiculous claim is the fact that nowhere in the constitution are “parties” or “independents” or other such artificial constructs of our system mentioned. If she believes that the government, as presented, is able to govern – and at its most basic that means surviving a no confidence motion put against it, then she is completely right to ask them to form government.

If you’re seriously claiming that the GG should keep recalling elections until one of the major parties has an absolute majority, then…well, I really don’t know what to tell you. You clearly lack any serious kind of understanding of our system.

bd84 said :

Governor-General needs to swear in a stable government, if she applies the constitution correctly she should be rejecting the proposed majority.

Nowhere in the Consitution is the word ‘stable’ used.
Have a copy posted to your (or anybody’s) doorstep for the bargain price of only 58 cents.

Gungahlin Al5:13 pm 07 Sep 10

Humbug. The best government Queensland has had over many years was when Peter Wellington put a minority Beattie government in. A majority of one. Of course it all started unravelling once Beattie got a majority in his own right. There’s a lesson for everyone – keep the minority shrinking.

I’m looking forward to a level of accountability in both Houses, and the lack of the ol’ rubber stamp that made every single decision in the lower house a foregone waste of time.

bd84 said :

People seem to forget that the Governor-General needs to swear in a stable government, if she applies the constitution correctly she should be rejecting the proposed majority on the basis of a 1 seat majority using 3 independents is not stable.

Surely that is somewhat subjective, depending on your definition of the word “stable” (not to mention the words “government”, “swear” and “in”).

bd84 said :

People seem to forget that the Governor-General needs to swear in a stable government, if she applies the constitution correctly she should be rejecting the proposed majority on the basis of a 1 seat majority using 3 independents is not stable.

There will be a change in government or a new election within a year.

Exactly! I hope there will be another election. GG should have intervened before this and called one anyway – the whole thing is a farce.

PickedANickname4:56 pm 07 Sep 10

I am so surprised at the result when Catch the Fire ministries put in so much effort.

http://the-riotact.com/?p=26047

Clown Killer4:53 pm 07 Sep 10

Hell hath no fury like a Barnaby scorned

This is going to be good. I’m going to get a six pack and some corn chips and enjoy watching the dummy spits!

Now maybe we can all get some sleep.

a timely reminder of our good friend Danny’s prophetic dream:

http://catchthefire.com.au/blog/2010/08/31/pr-daniels-dream-of-ms-gillard-conceeding-defeat-glorious-weekend-in-canberra/

5) Last Friday 27th Aug 2010 in Canberra he had a dream of Julia Gillard giving her final speech as PM, conceding defeat, and then he heard the words ‘it is finished’. On Saturday and Sunday at the services in Canberra Pr Daniel shared his dream with the congregation and prayed for the new government.

Proposed majority should say proposed government..

People seem to forget that the Governor-General needs to swear in a stable government, if she applies the constitution correctly she should be rejecting the proposed majority on the basis of a 1 seat majority using 3 independents is not stable.

There will be a change in government or a new election within a year.

Hell hath no fury like a Barnaby scorned.

15:31 It’s official Gillard to remain PM.

Well, at least until the next byelection or until her Governance fails on its own.

So, immediate health checks and driver-safety courses, with ongoing dietary cholesterol management by Party staffers for all serving Labor MPs?

I think it was ironic that these were two of the people who pushed so strongly for a 4 minute limit on answers in question time.

justin heywood3:44 pm 07 Sep 10

IMO all three (including Katter) spoke particularly well in justifying their decisions – a refreshing lack of bullshit.

It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

I think those speaches went for longer than the entire campaign.

JessicaNumber3:35 pm 07 Sep 10

Nice one Johnboy, very hot how you were the first to call it! Weilding your power like the BobKat.

So Julia is ‘The Lodge’ about to become Canberra’s most expensive group house?

Are we there yet ?
Are we there yet ?

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