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The Green transport plan for Gungahlin

By johnboy - 22 June 2011 23

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The Greens’ Amanda Bresnan has announced the release of a discussion paper titled: “A Better Transport Solution for Gungahlin and Wider Canberra”:

The paper argues for a greater commitment to sustainable transport and critically analyses the Government’s approach to transport planning.

“The ACT Greens want to see real transport solutions – solutions that will create convenient, sustainable and equitable ways to get around Canberra,” Ms Bresnan said.

“We are arguing for investment in and prioritisation of a rapid, high capacity public transport network. This is the long term solution for bringing convenient, effective and sustainable transport to North Canberra.

“It is troubling that the Government’s arguments for building the Majura freeway are not standing up to scrutiny. The Government hasn’t assessed issues such as the benefits that quality public transport would have compared to a freeway. Nor has it properly assessed future traffic congestion on the road, the greenhouse gas emissions it will generate, or the impacts on Canberra’s urban form.”

Dr Paul Mees, one of Australia’s leading experts on urban public transport, backed the Greens paper, saying: “At a time when other Australian capitals are giving priority to public transport, Canberra’s planners seem trapped in a 1950s mindset. Canberra should be a model of what’s good in urban planning. A first-rate public transport system would cost less, and create greater travel time savings, than the proposed parkway — and that’s before we even consider the environmental benefits.”

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The Green transport plan for Gungahlin
BicycleCanberra 3:13 pm 23 Jun 11

puggy said :

How does light rail down Northbourne help those going to Barton, Russel and further south?

Obviously you didn’t read the full paper as the light rail link would also go to Russell then Barton and onto the Kingston train station.

Gungahlin Al 3:06 pm 23 Jun 11

puggy said :

Gungahlin Al said :

The bulk of the traffic problems [Majura Road] are in the mornings…

As I have a partner who takes that road every day, I can confidently say that this is incorrect and neither is the congestion limted to the southern end of the road. Having now read the paper, I’m still not completely convinced. I think light rail and Majura are solutions to different problems. There is no mention of the word “bicycle” in relation to Majura in that paper either (which is what I am personally looking for).

I also think it’s a little cute for the Greens to be arguing that the GDE hasn’t improved traffic congestion problems when it’s not really even finished.

Fair ’nuff and thanks for the feedback. Noted for future discussion

puggy 2:03 pm 23 Jun 11

Gungahlin Al said :

The bulk of the traffic problems [Majura Road] are in the mornings…

As I have a partner who takes that road every day, I can confidently say that this is incorrect and neither is the congestion limted to the southern end of the road. Having now read the paper, I’m still not completely convinced. I think light rail and Majura are solutions to different problems. There is no mention of the word “bicycle” in relation to Majura in that paper either (which is what I am personally looking for).

I also think it’s a little cute for the Greens to be arguing that the GDE hasn’t improved traffic congestion problems when it’s not really even finished. And refering to roads with two lanes in each directions as freeways when comparing them to US roads isn’t credible. No one is suggesting multi lane spaghetti flyovers ala Dallas.

Gungahlin Al 1:00 pm 23 Jun 11

puggy said :

Gungahlin Al said :

Interesting to read the Greens costings in this paper – shows just how affordable it really is compared to road building.

But I am worried about what I am hearing from them regarding Majura Parkway. From what I understand, it’s light rail instead of Majura Parkway. If they really think that Majura Parkway is a parking lot because people take that route into the city, then there is a worrying lack of understanding. How does light rail down Northbourne help those going to Barton, Russel and further south?

Really, I just want both, in my lifetime preferably. Also want Horse Park duplicated before Throsby and Kenny go in.

You don’t have to read too far into their paper to see that is not the case. They were proposing targeted upgrades of Majura. Chop the Brand Depot deviation and roundabouts out, allow southbound passing lanes etc. The bulk of the traffic problems are in the mornings, so that would help a lot. Extending the rail to the airport would be the next logical step.

puggy 11:07 am 23 Jun 11

Gungahlin Al said :

Interesting to read the Greens costings in this paper – shows just how affordable it really is compared to road building.

But I am worried about what I am hearing from them regarding Majura Parkway. From what I understand, it’s light rail instead of Majura Parkway. If they really think that Majura Parkway is a parking lot because people take that route into the city, then there is a worrying lack of understanding. How does light rail down Northbourne help those going to Barton, Russel and further south?

Really, I just want both, in my lifetime preferably. Also want Horse Park duplicated before Throsby and Kenny go in.

Gungahlin Al 9:30 am 23 Jun 11

Gungahlin Al said :

…similar to what I talked about in the Alistair Coe post a week back…

Here: http://the-riotact.com/alistair-coe-decries-the-greens/47575#comments

Gungahlin Al 9:28 am 23 Jun 11

JC said :

Oddly enough Strasbourg has a lot in common with Gungahlin, so maybe the greens are onto something. If ever you can make it to Strasbourg get any of the tram lines to their suburban extremities and you will see pretty much the same people you see in Gungahlin or the depths of Tuggeranong! Plenty of yoffs with bugger all to do except have kids.

Oi! Clearly you haven’t been out to Gungahlin all that much. With the amounts the ACT Government now charge us for land, I can assure you there are very few of us sitting around doing nothing. Dual income households abound – just to keep the mortgage stress in check.

I remain convinced that light rail is a better way, and the usual arguments about “not dense enough” do not stand up to the simplest scrutiny. Interesting to read the Greens costings in this paper – shows just how affordable it really is compared to road building. They put together a good paper and a balanced position here, similar to what I talked about in the Alistair Coe post a week back. But Liberals and Labor voted together to kill the intent at the starting gate. In fact they did a bit of that voting together stuff yesterday…

Maybe we can still push the rail solution along though. We’ve got Simon Corbell coming to our meeting on 10 August, so we’ll talk directly about whether a changed stance from the Government is really happening.

Watson 7:34 am 23 Jun 11

Watson said :

It is very hard to get me onto a bus, mainly because of the long waits at bus stops, the long and windy routes and them being slower than the car because of the lack of bus lanes. From where I live now, I’m faster riding the pushie than taking the bus even.

But it looks like I’ll be moving to Gungahlin at some stage and I could definitely be convinced to get onto that!

Winding, not windy!!! Though the latter could be a problem too…

Watson 7:30 am 23 Jun 11

It is very hard to get me onto a bus, mainly because of the long waits at bus stops, the long and windy routes and them being slower than the car because of the lack of bus lanes. From where I live now, I’m faster riding the pushie than taking the bus even.

But it looks like I’ll be moving to Gungahlin at some stage and I could definitely be convinced to get onto that!

JC 10:14 pm 22 Jun 11

zippyzippy said :

That train picture looks pretty great. I can imagine that thing zipping down Northbourne Avenue full of Gungahlin folks.

That tram is a Eurotram in Strasbourg France. Sydney has 7 Variotrams that look completly different but are very similar as they were designed and built by the same company (ADtranz) at the same time.

Oddly enough Strasbourg has a lot in common with Gungahlin, so maybe the greens are onto something. If ever you can make it to Strasbourg get any of the tram lines to their suburban extremities and you will see pretty much the same people you see in Gungahlin or the depths of Tuggeranong! Plenty of yoffs with bugger all to do except have kids.

Leinna 5:15 pm 22 Jun 11

It would be hard to do anything as the opposition…

zippyzippy 4:13 pm 22 Jun 11

Chop71 said :

The Greens have a long history of talking about things but what have they actually introduced? We have been talking about light rail since I first moved to Canberra in 1990 (and prob well before that too).

Although the pic looks great, till I actually see it WORKING, it’s just more hot air from the greens (making them look busy).

Well, they haven’t been in government though.

Chop71 2:20 pm 22 Jun 11

The Greens have a long history of talking about things but what have they actually introduced? We have been talking about light rail since I first moved to Canberra in 1990 (and prob well before that too).

Although the pic looks great, till I actually see it WORKING, it’s just more hot air from the greens (making them look busy).

zippyzippy 1:50 pm 22 Jun 11

That train picture looks pretty great. I can imagine that thing zipping down Northbourne Avenue full of Gungahlin folks.

The Frots 11:05 am 22 Jun 11

Well, stick a fork in me because I’m done!

The Greens. I have to say that while my interest in the Greens couldn’t be seen if you placed me in front of the Hubble Telescope, the idea of a fast, light rail from Gungahlin to the City is the best idea. It is clean, fast and usually reliable. Let’s do that.

But we also need the Majura Road done. People rely on it who don’t work in Civic (unless the proposal goes further to say that we all should!). I don’t agree that the current ACT Government is living in the 1950’s – I think they are in the 1920’s myself with their lack of vision towards population expansion and that absolute mess they made of the GDE.

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