24 March 2009

The impact of the Wanniassa death

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[First filed: March 22, 2009 @ 10:33
Second filing: March 23, 2009 @ 09:25]

This morning on my way to baseball my family and i were blocked off from the end of the street.

Up to 100 metres distance was blocked off with police there and a black car.

For my age i had no idea what was going on, all i knew is where this insident happend, fights and parties would always happen.

Later on that day i was talking to my mum about this incident then she went on facebook to talk to a friend who lives on the conner of our street and as a coment to him someone has left “R.I.P”.

Straight away she called up the guy called Jamie who died’s girlfriend or really close friend and told her what happened.

After a while my mum talked to me about what happened.

She said the guy was bashed to death by someone Jamie riped off with drugs.

It was quite scary knowing someone has died at the end of my street and by someone bashing him up.

All i have learnt is to stay FAR AWAY from drugs!!!

[ED – this is, I believe, related to the second item here]

UPDATED: The ABC reports that a 31 year old man has been charged with “assault occasioning actual bodily harm”.

ANOTHER UPDATE: Thanks to realityskin for the link, NineMSN are now reporting names:

    Steven Robert John Milicevic, 31, is charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

    Jamie Joseph Peisley, 26, died on Friday shortly after he collapsed.

Bail was not applied for. Milicevic will appear in court again in April.

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he was a good bloke pfff even as a teenager he thought he was staunch. belting another teen who was sitting in the back of a car with a pole in richo in 1998. it was lucky the young fella survived to me karma’s a bitch

PBO said :

I have just been informed that Steven Milicevic has been killed in a motorcycle accident, i guess that wraps this thread up.

Was it the same guy though, does anyone know? I can’t seem to find anything about the crash that also mentions the killing using google. Sorry, I know this thread is ages old and long dead but RA is one of the best repositories of local knowledge I have at my disposal.

I have just been informed that Steven Milicevic has been killed in a motorcycle accident, i guess that wraps this thread up.

“live the gangsta life style”?

ROFL!!!! How old are you? 12?!?!

F*ck it, just read everything you say in that post back to yourself…it’s the most contradictory laugh-fest I’ve enjoyed in a long time!

lil.miss.cro.leb MUST be a joker just messing around!!!! Exclamation marks galore to show how absurd/funny those posts are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lil.miss.cro.leb said :

Yes it is sad that as a result his kids don’t have that father figure to look up to but the time he had with his kids will never b forgotten and he always tried to b the best dad he could b for them.

He chose to live in a way that orphaned his kids. Not because he died sacrificing his life for another’s, or in service to the community like a police officer or a fire fighter, but because he wanted to live the “gangsta lifestyle”. *That’s* being the best father he could be? Really?

mango said :

Berraboy

If you didnt know the deceased people on this site your comments are best kept to yourself if they are negative. Await the court proceedings down the track as all you will hear until then is rumour after rumour. Loved ones should not feel the need to come on here to defend people who are not here to defend themselves.

Its not known as to why these murders took place, its all headlines for the media etc.

I appreciate your honestly in your post where you said you had stopped being friends with a person who you found to be a drug dealer. Depends what type of dealer, those that do not use drugs and make money by having users sell for the are the type that really needed to be punished and serve alot of time, however if you do some background homework if someone is a user they will sell drugs to support their own habbit out of desperation in most cases. Its the big top notches that should be investigated as to where the sources are coming from, not the little numbers that get sent to prison for using and selling, they are a number and easily replaced by someone else who is desperate.

A new crime stoppers anonyomus day should be created in the ACT with all this stuff that appears to be going on = well has been for years but only becoming more known to the public.

Again Mango, clarified my comments in my 2nd post on this thread -but to clarify I make no judgement on your friend or anyone else involved in this specicif story. That said,i disagree with your assesment on users who deal and I have peronal reasons for doing so. But that s my right. I will say that drug makers etc. should receive greater punishment however than those further down the chain.

lil.miss.cro.leb said :

I am so over hearing all this bullshit from people who didn’t know Jamie.
Jamie was a good person who cared about his family and friends and would never do wrong by anyone who had not done wrong by him. If u ever needed help or someone to talk 2 he was always there.

U all need 2 take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Who cares what he was involved in or who he was involved with, everyone has a different opinion on people and on things. As far as im concerned half the people on here writing these comments about “drug dealers” and how bad they are, are probably into the drugs or have people in their family’s who abuse them. Who r u 2 judge sumone you didnt know. How would u feel if it was ur son, dad or friend that this had happened to and just because they were involved in things u didnt agree with u had 2 listen to and read about all the bull shit people like u are talking? you wouldnt and i can guarantee that. so how bout u guys take a look at the bigger picture and think about things before u sit on here talking shit like u kno the whole story because u dont and never will!!!

R.I.P Jamie Peisley
You will alwayz be in our hearts

Word to yo’ mama homey

lil.miss.cro.leb5:06 pm 30 Mar 09

Yes Timberwolf65 i may have a lot to learn in this world.

but as far as i’m concerned the people who were affected by Jamie in a negative way obviously affected him in a negative way. Yes he chose to live the gangsta life style and yeah this is a result of what can happen in the life style but he always lived his life to the fullest and did what he thought was right for him. Not all of us think about the bigger picture or things that can come of some of the things we chose to do. but not once would Jamie have stepped down when it was time for consequences he always took responsibility for his own actions. He was always the one to sit there and say “i really do love life” in good times and in bad. Yes it is sad that as a result his kids don’t have that father figure to look up to but the time he had with his kids will never b forgotten and he always tried to b the best dad he could b for them. Just because you don’t agree about the life style he chose to live doesn’t mean u know how it really was, and for all you people out there who think that the life he chose was wrong or what ever you want to call it. Look at the bigger picture and open your eyes to the real world. Jamie was one of the most decent friends you can find no matter what u think of him.

R.I.P Jamie, you will always b remembered as a true G!

Timberwolf6512:14 am 30 Mar 09

You have a lot to learn in this world lil.miss.cro.leb.

As I am reading your post I am thinking to myself…young and very naive.
How do you know, people on here weren’t in some way effected by Jamie in a negative way.

lil.miss.cro.leb said :

Jamie was a good person who cared about his family and friends and would never do wrong by anyone who had not done wrong by him.

Yes he probably treated his family and friends very well, although his kids now have no dad as a result of his “Wannabe a gangster” lifestyle.

U all need 2 take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Who cares what he was involved in or who he was involved with, everyone has a different opinion on people and on things.

You need to take a look at the bigger picture and stop hanging around people like this, get some decent friends.

Everyone does have a different opinion on people and things, that includes the people on here.

lil.miss.cro.leb10:51 pm 29 Mar 09

I am so over hearing all this bullshit from people who didn’t know Jamie.
Jamie was a good person who cared about his family and friends and would never do wrong by anyone who had not done wrong by him. If u ever needed help or someone to talk 2 he was always there.

U all need 2 take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Who cares what he was involved in or who he was involved with, everyone has a different opinion on people and on things. As far as im concerned half the people on here writing these comments about “drug dealers” and how bad they are, are probably into the drugs or have people in their family’s who abuse them. Who r u 2 judge sumone you didnt know. How would u feel if it was ur son, dad or friend that this had happened to and just because they were involved in things u didnt agree with u had 2 listen to and read about all the bull shit people like u are talking? you wouldnt and i can guarantee that. so how bout u guys take a look at the bigger picture and think about things before u sit on here talking shit like u kno the whole story because u dont and never will!!!

R.I.P Jamie Peisley
You will alwayz be in our hearts

Berraboy

If you didnt know the deceased people on this site your comments are best kept to yourself if they are negative. Await the court proceedings down the track as all you will hear until then is rumour after rumour. Loved ones should not feel the need to come on here to defend people who are not here to defend themselves.

Its not known as to why these murders took place, its all headlines for the media etc.

I appreciate your honestly in your post where you said you had stopped being friends with a person who you found to be a drug dealer. Depends what type of dealer, those that do not use drugs and make money by having users sell for the are the type that really needed to be punished and serve alot of time, however if you do some background homework if someone is a user they will sell drugs to support their own habbit out of desperation in most cases. Its the big top notches that should be investigated as to where the sources are coming from, not the little numbers that get sent to prison for using and selling, they are a number and easily replaced by someone else who is desperate.

A new crime stoppers anonyomus day should be created in the ACT with all this stuff that appears to be going on = well has been for years but only becoming more known to the public.

funbags said :

I’m glad to see that you like to edit the quotes that you are using… and no the world i live in is the real world, you know the one that everyone lives in that has compassion for the dead and their family rather than the world you live in that finds it completely ok to slag the dead and ensure that their family and friends suffer more n more with your nasty comments about a subject that you clearly have no idea about and choose not to even wait for all the facts to become clear!!
jus my 2cents…..

Sorry for your loss funbags but to correct your point, dying doesn’t automatically make a person an angel. While you obviously loved Jamie it does appear that there are at least some that had different experiences of him. I think it only serves to highlight we don’t always know people 100%.

My personal experience of this is that after the deaths of two of my brothers in the same year I also found out some things about them I didn’t know – some good, some bad. Hold onto the good and let the bad go. But just because I chose to let it go it doesn’t mean it wasn’t somebody else’s reality.

mango said :

BerraBoy68 – Are you afraid to be more upfront with your wording of recently deceased persons that you mentioned? Which one there has been quite a few in Canberra, its not the pretty town it has always been painted as. If you were referring to McDougall the committal is 3rd April, go along & sit through to find out the facts not crap from this site and you may hear that the deceased persons he presumably murdered were in fact innocent victims.

Here we go again… re-read my posts. I didn’t mention anybody alive or deceased. I clearly stated in response to another post that I don’t like drug dealers (generically, no-one specifically and not relating to current spate of murders.) I think they are scum and not deserving of our respect. Surprisingly I further clarified my views in a second post to Astrojax, which included an apology for jumping to conclusions as to the original post. It’d be appreciated if you read every post before also jumping the gun. I’m not afraid to voice my views on this or any other topic that takes my interest either.

I’m glad to see that you like to edit the quotes that you are using… and no the world i live in is the real world, you know the one that everyone lives in that has compassion for the dead and their family rather than the world you live in that finds it completely ok to slag the dead and ensure that their family and friends suffer more n more with your nasty comments about a subject that you clearly have no idea about and choose not to even wait for all the facts to become clear!!
jus my 2cents…..

funbags said :

funny how Jamie isn’t even in this pic yet you are relating this too Jamie…

That was the mate that he went to court with over home invasions remo…

funbags said :

one of the greatest kindest and gentle ppl you could have ever know!

Seriously, you are fucking kidding, aren’t you ? what a sad sad world you must live in

Surely they are better off? Didn’t leave much of a legacy did he?

realityskin said :

Nosey said :

The dead dude was a crook and was friends crookss who have pics on facebook imitating shooting a copper (actually another crook in a stolen AFP shirt).

The above mentionmed statement is true.

Yeah he’s dead. I don’t care.

Do I feel bad saying this because he is now dead? No and why should I.

I want to be remembered for what I did and who I was when I was alive, which is a common thought.

Put the same thought to him and that is the response you will get except from his friends who also will be remembered for the shit they did and the fact they did nothing positive for the community.

The quicker he is forgotten the better.

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2681/174/84/663508220/n663508220_1401464_7677039.jpg

funny how Jamie isn’t even in this pic yet you are relating this too Jamie… hmmm i can totally see your reasoning blame the dead guy not in the pic who cant even defend himself yep yep got it totally f#*ked up reasoning now i gets it!!! haha you ppl disgust me .. none of you have stopped to think what this is doing to the ppl that loved Jamie and Jamie love are you… well all i can say is I hope you all sleep well at night…

burger said :

jamie was a great friend of mine, and at the moment my thoughts are with his family and friends, especially with keyboard warriors saying such callous things about someone they knew nothing about. it is easy to read media reports and see what the person has done wrong, but until you know what lengths this guy would go to to help people you will only have one view. there are so many instances where i was present that would make you think different about this man, he stuck up for people he did not know when they were being picked on or assaulted, which im sure none of you would do. he gave friends a place to stay and the shirt off his back if they needed it, some of you need to open your eyes up and see the world as it is, not how it should be, then you may realise that people do what they can to survive. I dont wish any harm on Mr milicevic and i hope that justice is served. Also to say tattoos seem like a requirement for the peisleys of today….. that just shows your ignorance

I agree with you burger Jamie was one of the most kindest and loving ppl I’ve meet and had the joy to call a close personal friend of mine… to all of you who think that you know the reasons behind his death, why don’t you do the civil and human thing and speak with the police to advise them of the information that you know as if you have read or listened to the reports they are still looking for and asking for witnesses… because from what I’ve read on here you all seem to be great CSI detectives and can pass judgment on ppl and their character you all should then be able to solve this crime and many others and then the world would be a safer place, but until this happens how about you think about Jamie’s mother, father, brother sister and his 2 beautiful children that now must live on with no father, son or brother and wonder what could have been instead of what is…

sorry but that just my thoughts on this issue from a the point of a close friend mourning the loss of one of the greatest kindest and gentle ppl you could have ever know!

To I

In relation to post #104 posted by l – My thoughts are with you. The best thing you can do right now for yourself is not read the posts on here – You will find many putting comments on here to only have you worked up even more & doing it for the purpose of awaiting another response from you to try & obtain more information. This site is only where people form opinions/comments not facts & most will do just that.(Until one day it happens to someone that they dearly love & find them in the same situation defending a loved one who is innocent of a horrific crime brought upon them). You appear to know this person well, don’t feel the need to justify yourself to those on here, all that matters is the deceased family/friends know the person they were. Don’t bother asking for posts to be taken down its not worth it. There are better sites to go on than here when struggling with the loss of someone, if only I knew that some time ago I would never have posted anything about my loved one on here.
BerraBoy68 – Are you afraid to be more upfront with your wording of recently deceased persons that you mentioned? Which one there has been quite a few in Canberra, its not the pretty town it has always been painted as. If you were referring to McDougall the committal is 3rd April, go along & sit through to find out the facts not crap from this site and you may hear that the deceased persons he presumably murdered were in fact innocent victims.
Always new readers on here, one of reasons is you close your account then rejoin – No-one logs on using their real name anyhow.

axylotyl said :

Keyboard warriors sicken me. May the eyes of your children bleed, weep and rot in their sockets.

Of all the posts here your is the most disgusting. You idiot.

Skid @ #115. Add to that the number of ‘newbies’ finding RA and posting in this and similar murder/death threads (expect more tomorrow from two sets of family and friends of recently deceased persons)and the ‘professional’ end of RA is happy (i.e. new readers).

Only stating a fact.

ant said :

Starscream @ work said :

That pic…. *shakes head* What a outstanding human being.

Jeepers, yeah. Acting out his weird fantasies with a handgun to the head of some guy in a police shirt. fair dinkum, the people trumpeting that he was a demi-saint because he’d generated progeny should go easy on that one, it’s scary that people like that have kids.

I hate that my taxes go to people like taht because they have kids; also their other activities chew up so much of my taxes. I resent people like that. Evidently their activities impacted hugely on other residents of their street. Demi-saint? NOT!

The ol’ -upstanding members of society work and therefore don’t have time to raise a large number of kids while those who do not or are not capable of work/functioning in society are free to have as many kids as they want (regardless of how many get taken by CPS)- conundrum.

Oh well, I guess we’ll just have to divert more of the money we spend all our time earning to paying for more services to assist people to continue living life and having multitudes of children without needing a sense of personal responsibility. It isn’t as if there aren’t plenty more unsuitable facilities and foster families out there.

Most commented post ever ?!

dexi, when did you change your attitude to just throwing a few nasty comments at everyone? you used to have such brilliant contributions

You’re fscking kidding, right?

ant said :

Demi-saint? NOT!

They are mates of Jamie Peisley in the pic, not him.

Starscream @ work said :

That pic…. *shakes head* What a outstanding human being.

Jeepers, yeah. Acting out his weird fantasies with a handgun to the head of some guy in a police shirt. fair dinkum, the people trumpeting that he was a demi-saint because he’d generated progeny should go easy on that one, it’s scary that people like that have kids.

I hate that my taxes go to people like taht because they have kids; also their other activities chew up so much of my taxes. I resent people like that. Evidently their activities impacted hugely on other residents of their street. Demi-saint? NOT!

Roadrage77 said :

Looks like these MENSA candidates were busted for the uniform theft also:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/21/2143235.htm

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But mate, they are top blokes ! Would do anything for their friends and family !!

bela said :

Well thats not the smartest thing to say is it.
More could have been killed in all this if he got out his guns!

Hmm, let’s see.

Original Scenario
1 dead dealer
1 alive basher

New Scenario
1 dead basher
1 alive dealer

Conclusion: If you are a dealer, carry a gun. But be prepared for a very long sentence because the drug dealing is now the least of your worries.

Looks like these MENSA candidates were busted for the uniform theft also:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/21/2143235.htm

TAD said :

The bloke on the left is http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/alleged-home-invader-walks-free-after-doubts-over-his-identity/1381124.aspx?storypage=0

Actually that’s his brother. But either way, you have to wonder about the intelligence of posting it on the internet.

Some of you are so nasty and you don’t even know how or why.

I know why I am nasty. I’m only ever nasty to the old nasty bastards.

My apologies to all you old bastards out there who have hurt your feelings. I’m so sorry.

Keep up the good work.

Mwah

Dexi, consider yourself on a final warning for permanent moderation.

Americanberran3:23 pm 24 Mar 09

It’s funny you should ask that question, trixter dixter…as I offered my perspective in the very first sentence.

You read the rest of the crap fine. Just don’t read mine. Is that difficult for you.

TAD said :

Neither of those persons is JP

We know….

Nosey said :

was friends crookss who have pics on facebook imitating shooting a copper (actually another crook in a stolen AFP shirt).

Well done you bunch of wankers. Happy now. Sure you could dig round a bit more. I am still to see a good picture of his huge c##k. I think there is one with Pauline H.

Nothing gets me down more than having to endure Dexi’s posts.

Dexi = thread cancer.

Neither of those persons is JP

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy3:14 pm 24 Mar 09

Wow, doesn’t look good for the guy’s reputation.

Starscream @ work3:12 pm 24 Mar 09

That pic…. *shakes head* What a outstanding human being.

Lets use the yank as an example. Is there any information in his literary drivel that is first hand knowledge. Has he just read what some other anonymous poster has written and expanded it to fit his own political need. So why bother.

So yank did you know the man.

Nosey said :

The dead dude was a crook and was friends crookss who have pics on facebook imitating shooting a copper (actually another crook in a stolen AFP shirt).

The above mentionmed statement is true.

Yeah he’s dead. I don’t care.

Do I feel bad saying this because he is now dead? No and why should I.

I want to be remembered for what I did and who I was when I was alive, which is a common thought.

Put the same thought to him and that is the response you will get except from his friends who also will be remembered for the shit they did and the fact they did nothing positive for the community.

The quicker he is forgotten the better.

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2681/174/84/663508220/n663508220_1401464_7677039.jpg

Americanberran3:03 pm 24 Mar 09

My cognitive skills and gut tell me that this alleged victim of brutal-society, just might have had a date with Carmella Karma, whose good intentions went well beyond that of date-rape.
Instant eulogy: Here lies a a real stand-up man, face-down, whose family values dictated that he bounce people out of rackets like tennis balls, sell illicit drugs to the parents of his children’s friends; whose conscience commanded that he send the ACT Gov a series of IOUs until such time that the profits from his sale of said drugs could be recognized under tax law…but enough about his finer qualities already.
Hey supporters, we fully understand how truly exposed you are now that the big, burly, Canberra Zoo transplant, won’t be there to hide behind when you “neh,neh,neh,neh,neh” all the downtrodden, tax-paying stiffs you just love to torment…so much so, that our prayers are really with you.

Starscream @ work3:02 pm 24 Mar 09

:/ its not slander if its true.

JJ You are allowed to express your opinions but only if its not the truth and does not involve a lawyer or doctor. If you were to write the truth then that would be slander.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy2:57 pm 24 Mar 09

So was the killing related to drugs or what?

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but they’re not allowed to express it?

Truly a victory for free speech.

Starscream @ work2:57 pm 24 Mar 09

peterh said :

double posting, but here goes.

dexi, when did you change your attitude to just throwing a few nasty comments at everyone? you used to have such brilliant contributions, now it seems as if you don’t want to be here at all. What happened?[/quoTE]

She is nothing but a troll and has had me in her sights since i commented on junkie houso scumdogs.

OT Wow, someone is wishing bad things to happen to inocent children, your family must have raised a wonderful human being in you :/

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion – in saying that, if you cant say anything nice – dont say anything at all.
Your opinion should be kept to yourself, or spoken about behind closed doors – not posted on the internet for all to see, including his family, children and friends.

Have you actually got nothing better to do , other than speak ill of a much loved, kind and caring man – that you obviously no little about, or dont even know at all.

I am deeply disgusted for your heartless lack of consideration for the grieving Peisley family – You should all be ashamed of yourselves!

Keyboard warriors sicken me. May the eyes of your children bleed, weep and rot in their sockets.

and also, jamie you have 100% of my respect too.

The dead dude was a crook and was friends crookss who have pics on facebook imitating shooting a copper (actually another crook in a stolen AFP shirt).

The above mentionmed statement is true.

Yeah he’s dead. I don’t care.

Do I feel bad saying this because he is now dead? No and why should I.

I want to be remembered for what I did and who I was when I was alive, which is a common thought.

Put the same thought to him and that is the response you will get except from his friends who also will be remembered for the shit they did and the fact they did nothing positive for the community.

The quicker he is forgotten the better.

Clown Killer2:04 pm 24 Mar 09

I guess that this thread clearly demonstrates the adage that there are always three sides to every story – his, theirs and the truth.

l said :

societal cognition?!?!?!? i cannot believe that the slanderous lies that are being written on here are being put down to that! im all for piecing a picture together, i understand that its human nature to be curious butwhat im getting at is that you can discuss ahorrific event with some respect for the person who died and the ones who are left to pick up the pieces. This isn’t a joke or a time for people to get up on their high horses about things they clearly know nothing about!

unfortunately, these are exactly the type of discussions that are held at the water cooler, the pub, the cafe. the difference here is that everyone has an opinion. For whatever reason, good or bad, we all get our say. As long as we don’t swear, or threaten others, our opinion remains.

And as it is the internet, and there are many differing opinions, you may read something that you don’t agree with. Some people may have known the deceased in a good or bad light. I didn’t. Although the choices that he has allegedly made weren’t good, I still offer my condolences to his family. The person responsible for this tragedy must be dealt with by the law.

StairScream is alive. He has made some obnoxous, needless, hurtfull and unsubstantiated remarks. When he is dead then I will say nothing till well after the funeral. I won’t be sending flowers.

My nasty comments of the day, follow nasty posts written by live people. I think this is on topic and adds to the general debate. I have contributed, the bashing comes from giving a little back to the bashers. They are the first to write a post defending their right to be assholes on RA. So why can’t I call them an asshole.

katharine said :

I think i speak for the whole of carr cres when i say WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP!

Perhaps it just … did.

l said :

societal cognition?!?!?!? i cannot believe that the slanderous lies that are being written on here are being put down to that! im all for piecing a picture together, i understand that its human nature to be curious butwhat im getting at is that you can discuss ahorrific event with some respect for the person who died and the ones who are left to pick up the pieces. This isn’t a joke or a time for people to get up on their high horses about things they clearly know nothing about!

Set everyone straight then. What are the ‘slanderous lies’ and what is the truth?

Were drugs involved or not?

l said :

i cannot believe that the slanderous lies

Which are ?

societal cognition?!?!?!? i cannot believe that the slanderous lies that are being written on here are being put down to that! im all for piecing a picture together, i understand that its human nature to be curious butwhat im getting at is that you can discuss ahorrific event with some respect for the person who died and the ones who are left to pick up the pieces. This isn’t a joke or a time for people to get up on their high horses about things they clearly know nothing about!

double posting, but here goes.

dexi, when did you change your attitude to just throwing a few nasty comments at everyone? you used to have such brilliant contributions, now it seems as if you don’t want to be here at all. What happened?

raider26 said :

Everyone is a bit worked up here!

I went to school with Jamie, he was a mean boy. He was quite violent, and most people were scared of him.
I am not saddened or happy to hear the news, but i am very sad, that people find it ok to take a persons life in his hands and judge if that person should live or die.
If that was my brother i wouldn’t care how bad he was, i would still be devastated if i lost him.

I hope his kids are ok, and they don’t hear anybody saying hurtful things about their father.

+1.

best thing said here. regardless of who the person killed was, he should be remembered by his family and friends as they knew him, and keep a special memory for his children, who probably never saw anything but a loving father. To write about all the bad things he has done, and not mention the good, may create a lot of turmoil for his kids.

re some of the other RA’ers, it is a shame that the people coming on here as newbies are here to defend the honour of their friends, we don’t seem to attract and keep newbies here, except for very personal articles and their resulting issues…

Heyy.
Yeah same thing happened to my brother and I when we went to go get the newspaper from wanniassa shops.
It had been blocked off with heaps of cop cars.
This has been about the third time this has happened in this street.
A couple of months ago a man and his girlfriend where drinking at the pub at wanniassa shops.
They came home had a fight and the girlfriend ran over the boyfriend.
Than we have the fights like every weekend.
My dad has been assualt in the street trying to protect the family when we were minding our own bussiness coming home from dinner.
Than you have police down there onces again putting these guys on the belly with hand cuffs on laying on the groung while they search for drugs or something in there house.
I think i speak for the whole of carr cres when i say WHEN IS THIS GOING TO STOP!

Starscream @ work1:42 pm 24 Mar 09

dexi said :

AssScream@home, Maybe it is because you talk through your ass. You should bend over and we might hear you better.

stop trolling, dexi.

AssScream@home, Maybe it is because you talk through your ass. You should bend over and we might hear you better.

The internet is not your friend.

Starscream @ work1:35 pm 24 Mar 09

I tried to tell them in the other thread that if they dont want to get upset by this then dont read or respond but i dont think they can understand what i was trying to say.

ashleigh said :

i just believe it is wrong

YOU believe. Good girl 🙂

*dons the (itchy) asbestos suit*
You’re all just giving _so much material_ for a flamewar.

Family\Friends: What you’re reading here is what normally happens over back fences, between neighbours, associates, and people down at the pub. Its collective sense-making rumour, human society works because of its ability to use rumour to piece together a picture (be it correct or incorrect) of events, ie: societal cognition. Even if you want it to stop being recorded in a forum here, you won’t be able to stop it happening in other parts of society.
At least here you can watch.

If you want to bite your own tongue for a while, instead of going on the attack, it might possibly end up better in the long run.
(Jb won’t ever stop you from saying something though. Users are responsible for their comments, and even if something causes emotional trouble for you, but that other people might consider worth reading about or responding to, will keep RiotACT’s bills paid so it will probably get a run.)

firstly jamie was NOT bashed to death, YES he may have been involved in an altercation before he died but he was inside his house when he colapsed.

It will be very interesting to see the outcome of the autopsy, as most people seem to making the assumption that his death was the result of a head injury caused during a “altercation” directly before he collapsed.

Danman said :

ashleigh – you are sounding like a quote that work will not allow me to look for from a movie called “Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back.”

Maybe its time to step back, and take stock of where you are in regards to grieving etc.
This can not be helping you much… RiotACT will always be RiotACT and as such will always come to th eparty when something like this happens, so I reckon you should just step back and remember your friend for who he was.

I’m not making excuses for anybody, but you have to look after #1 and if coming here gives you so much grief, maybe better to stay away. You know who your mate was, why do you need strangers to tell you, and why do you value their opinions.

you have a point! but i think that anyone who writes anything about jamie, i think their opinion should be based on what he has personally done or said to them, not what they have heard from everyone else on here or whatever!also to he was not a good friend of mine, more a friend of a friend, someone i have met a few times and have based my opinion on the way he acted towards me! but i just believe it is wrong to put so much shit on a dead man, it is one thing to speak your opinion and another to be extremly nasty!

+1 #104 posted by I

#104 posted by l
(Newbie)
12:58, 24 Mar 2009

Well said!
Jamie May you rest in Peace.

Starscream @ work1:10 pm 24 Mar 09

dexi said :

StarTroll@work “if he was not a scumbag/drugdealer/junkie/whatever he was in the first place”

You might be on to something. If he was a professional, or the Solicitor in early posts, less may have been said. I know I’ve been MOD for less when it came to upsetting the professional classes. Guess druggies are fair game to the asshole classes.

Stop trolling, dexi.

Everyone is a bit worked up here!

I went to school with Jamie, he was a mean boy. He was quite violent, and most people were scared of him.
I am not saddened or happy to hear the news, but i am very sad, that people find it ok to take a persons life in his hands and judge if that person should live or die.
If that was my brother i wouldn’t care how bad he was, i would still be devastated if i lost him.

I hope his kids are ok, and they don’t hear anybody saying hurtful things about their father.

some people make mistakes in life and actually get a chance to redeem themselves…. others dont get that chance, jamie is one of them. in death people should be treated with respect, maybe not their actions that have been undertaken while in the physical form. no-one puts their real name on here because you all want to hide, he was an intimidating looking guy, but if you knew his lifes background you might actually understand why he had such a hard shell. as the saying goes show respect and you shall get respect, jamie you have my respect my brother. muthers!

ashleigh – you are sounding like a quote that work will not allow me to look for from a movie called “Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back.”

Maybe its time to step back, and take stock of where you are in regards to grieving etc.
This can not be helping you much… RiotACT will always be RiotACT and as such will always come to th eparty when something like this happens, so I reckon you should just step back and remember your friend for who he was.

I’m not making excuses for anybody, but you have to look after #1 and if coming here gives you so much grief, maybe better to stay away. You know who your mate was, why do you need strangers to tell you, and why do you value their opinions.

StarTroll@work “if he was not a scumbag/drugdealer/junkie/whatever he was in the first place”

You might be on to something. If he was a professional, or the Solicitor in early posts, less may have been said. I know I’ve been MOD for less when it came to upsetting the professional classes. Guess druggies are fair game to the asshole classes.

All of you people make me absolutely sick!! i was a close friend of jamies’s and was on my way round to his house on the night he was taken away from his loved ones. firstly jamie was NOT bashed to death, YES he may have been involved in an altercation before he died but he was inside his house when he colapsed. Secondly, all the rude disrespectful things that you are writing about him are incorect. It is not right for anyone of you to speculate about what sort of a person he was while he was still with us. None of you know the truth about this man and coming from someone who regarded him as family i can tell you that he was a strong kind hearted man wholoved his children more than anything in this world and would have done anything for the people he cared about. Comparing such an amazing person to hitler and ivan milat is one of the cruelest and most duisgusting displays of ignorance i have ever seen in my life. He was not a murdered, did NOT commit genocide and like i said earlier was infact a big hearted caring person. You people should honestly wake up because if something like this was to ever happen to a loved one of yours (god forbid) i can imagine how hurtful it would be for his friends and family to read vicous lies about him on the internet. This is not journalism or anything that resembles the truth. You should be ashamed of these comments and i wish that the website would remove such lies. He has babies, dont you dare let them ever have a doubt in their minds about what a truly amazing person their father was. Honestly have some respect and dont talk about things that you all clearly know nothing about!

Starscream @ work12:56 pm 24 Mar 09

stop trolling, dexi.

DLS. Let me write one for just for you DLS. Its only a matter of time before some deadshit (Thats you DLS) mentions hitler.

If the last movie I saw on the matter was accurate, it paid not to speak ill of hitler just after he died. They still shot you.

Starscream @ work12:49 pm 24 Mar 09

ashleigh said :

Die Lefty Scum said :

ashleigh said :

it is one thing to speak of the dead and another to put them down, they cannot defend themselves

It was only a matter of time before some dead$hit bogan used that tired ole line. Hitler is dead too ashleigh. But by your rationale a bad word should never be uttered about him.

some dead shit bogan? i think you may be the dead shit bogan, a member on here just to hack shit on people! i added this shit because i wanted to say that i think you are all bits of shit for hacking shit on jamie, you rather are a member to constantly hack shit on people, you are a worthless piece of shit and you should be dead so we can all hach shit on you

😀 😀 😀
Incredible.

I never met the guy, but to all those people crying about what is being said here, think about this: it would be a non issue if he was not a scumbag/drugdealer/junkie/whatever he was in the first place. He would still be alive. As for his family and his poor kids no longer haveing a dad, he really should have thought asbout that before getting himself into this situation.

ashleigh said :

believe it or not he has mates because they like him!

No one is disputing that, but he was a **** to everyone else.

Die Lefty Scum said :

ashleigh said :

it is one thing to speak of the dead and another to put them down, they cannot defend themselves

It was only a matter of time before some dead$hit bogan used that tired ole line. Hitler is dead too ashleigh. But by your rationale a bad word should never be uttered about him.

some dead shit bogan? i think you may be the dead shit bogan, a member on here just to hack shit on people! i added this shit because i wanted to say that i think you are all bits of shit for hacking shit on jamie, you rather are a member to constantly hack shit on people, you are a worthless piece of shit and you should be dead so we can all hach shit on you

Die Lefty Scum12:40 pm 24 Mar 09

dexi said :

So what does that make you guys. The only reason jerks like you don’t get it is because your jerks.

So what the guys dead. Find a live dirt-bag and see how he likes it.

…..and after the tenth reading of your post I still don’t get it.

Did he bake anyone a cake ?

Beserk Keyboard Warrior said :

The only reason jerks like Peisley have ANY mates is via intimidation; they’d rather have him as a friend than an enemy. Nice guy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA PUH-LEASE!!

do you say this because you are intimidated by him? believe it or not he has mates because they like him! you may be intimidated by hes physical apperance but others know him for who he is and whats inside

So what does that make you guys. The only reason jerks like you don’t get it is because your jerks.

So what the guys dead. Find a live dirt-bag and see how he likes it.

Die Lefty Scum12:31 pm 24 Mar 09

ashleigh said :

it is one thing to speak of the dead and another to put them down, they cannot defend themselves

It was only a matter of time before some dead$hit bogan used that tired ole line. Hitler is dead too ashleigh. But by your rationale a bad word should never be uttered about him.

Home invasions, assaults, drug dealing etc etc. Do they still make those “Worlds Greatest Dad” coffee mugs?

Beserk Keyboard Warrior12:28 pm 24 Mar 09

The only reason jerks like Peisley have ANY mates is via intimidation; they’d rather have him as a friend than an enemy. Nice guy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA PUH-LEASE!!

Actualy well said but remember more beating is only more grieving families.

it is one thing to speak of the dead and another to put them down, they cannot defend themselves

i think it is fair to argue your point, but i think to hack shit on a dead man who has left many friends, family and hes CHILDREN (who are likely to read this) behind, i think that is beyond weak! i do not think he is a bad person for living the life that he did and doing the things he did i think he simply made some mistakes in hes life and if you believe he should be dead for these mistakes then you akso should be beaten to death for the mistakes you have made! but i honestly think that putting shit on a dead man, (who would never do it to you) is discusting! you people must think that you are perfect, but i think you are a bunch of losers who obviously have nothing better to do than criticise things and people, people like this do not usually like themselves therefore have to put other people down to make themselves feel good!

We have seen it in a couple of murder cases where the families become involved on the threads (on and on). What makes you think that this thread has not already upset the family? For what. A little getting even now he is dead and can’t sort you for calling him a genital part. What exactly has the family done to deserve more upset?

How does your concept of a public forum make good manners void in the case of sudden death?

Its good manners to wait till after the funeral for nasty name calling in public.

It might be ‘good manners’ not to speak ill of the dead to their friends and acquaintances, but this is a public forum, not a space for the grieving process.

Actually it is good manners not to speak ill of the dead especially when they have just died. Its not about what he did or who he was it is about his family who are suffering a loss. Its about giving them time to grieve. Its always about the living. When someone dies if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything, at least till after the funeral.

If you have something to say about him go to the funeral.

Saying things like many of the above comments might be somewhat out spoken, perhaps offensive.

Saying the same at the funeral (regardless of truthfulness) would be in very poor taste. The family and friends have no need to read this thread unless they want to know what the public think about their loved one.

dexi said :

Realityskin “I don’t think that this could have happened to a more deserving bloke.”

Symantics………

If you have something to say about him go to the funeral.

As for your funny, its not so funny.

It’s not semantics at all – you’ve obviously got a bee in your bonnet and responding by reading things into comments that aren’t there.

I don’t know this bloke and couldn’t give a sh1t about whether he was good, bad or whatever.

But this notion that people become ‘saintly’ in death and that everyone should ignore their flaws is just patently bullsh1t. People are free to speak their minds openly about whoever and whatever they want – it doesn’t need to be saved for ‘the funeral’ (honestly, how inappropriate can you get?) and it won’t be stopped simply because someone might be offended.

@realityskin

Best you do it yourself, I don’t want any trouble by upsetting a Solicitor 😀

Realityskin “I don’t think that this could have happened to a more deserving bloke.”

Symantics………

If you have something to say about him go to the funeral.

As for your funny, its not so funny.

dexi said :

Maybe you could be clearer on why you think he deserved what he got. Could we have some details on what he did to you that deserves death?

He couldn’t think of anyone MORE deserving, never did he state that it WAS deserving.

And what he stated would be what the majority of people thought (bar friends and family)

Spam Box said :

lol- do a search on his lawyer for the trial where he was acquitted

Canberra’s a funny place 🙂

Do it for us please ?

So what professional capacity holds the opinion that some people deserve to be bashed to death………mmmmm

More to the obnoxious point why does being a part of the female genitalia and arrogant warrant a death by bashing? One that you feel so strongly about that you make a comment.

Maybe you could be clearer on why you think he deserved what he got. Could we have some details on what he did to you that deserves death?

Ingeegoodbee10:37 am 24 Mar 09

No dexi, it was in a professional capacity unfortunately.

Ingeegoodbee

So you met him as a bouncer when you where pissed and obnoxious.

Maybe you are just obnoxious all the time.

Ingeegoodbee10:02 am 24 Mar 09

Having only met this dirt-bag a couple of times I couldn’t vouch for whether or not he had a nice side. I can vouch for the fact that he was an arrogant little cnut. I don’t think that this could have happened to a more deserving bloke.

jamie was a great friend of mine, and at the moment my thoughts are with his family and friends, especially with keyboard warriors saying such callous things about someone they knew nothing about. it is easy to read media reports and see what the person has done wrong, but until you know what lengths this guy would go to to help people you will only have one view. there are so many instances where i was present that would make you think different about this man, he stuck up for people he did not know when they were being picked on or assaulted, which im sure none of you would do. he gave friends a place to stay and the shirt off his back if they needed it, some of you need to open your eyes up and see the world as it is, not how it should be, then you may realise that people do what they can to survive. I dont wish any harm on Mr milicevic and i hope that justice is served. Also to say tattoos seem like a requirement for the peisleys of today….. that just shows your ignorance

realityskin said :

winniep said :

Is this too difficult for some of our gungho young men to understand…..that maybe, just maybe, next time you decide to throw a punch to resolve a problem it just might be you – either facing a charge of manslaughter or your life cut short….for what?

+1

Fighting is for neanderthals.

Unfortuately the desire to bulk up on roids, get manic tattoos and have a superiority complex is somewhat of a requirement for the Peiselys of today.

Agreed, although I think the tattoos reference is a bit misplaced – while there are many people with tattoos who have a tendency to act like cavemen, there’s no essential link between the two.

I know a lot of people with a lot of tattoos who are all pacifists.

“Drugs will always get you in the end.”

Make mine morphine.

Timberwolf659:37 am 24 Mar 09

What can I say except what goes around comes back around eventually, I never knew this bloke personally, but I knew of him and I never heard any good stories about this bloke.
Drugs will always get you in the end.

I feel really sorry for his kids.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy9:05 am 24 Mar 09

That IS funny.

And he STILL got aquitted!

lol- do a search on his lawyer for the trial where he was acquitted

Canberra’s a funny place 🙂

winniep said :

Is this too difficult for some of our gungho young men to understand…..that maybe, just maybe, next time you decide to throw a punch to resolve a problem it just might be you – either facing a charge of manslaughter or your life cut short….for what?

+1

Fighting is for neanderthals.

Unfortuately the desire to bulk up on roids, get manic tattoos and have a superiority complex is somewhat of a requirement for the Peiselys of today.

Im agreeing with winniep on this one.
This is a very big tragedy for many amongst canberra as we live in such a small community, and both the deceased and the alledgedly accused are well known.
The outcome could of gone either way, and more unfortunately it happened at all.
But people need to stop slagging off the deceased, we all have a past, some a little worse than others.
And Deana to be threatning death upon the accused is outrageous. Leave it in the hands of our legal system and just pray to god they get it right this time if he did do it.

#47 posted by Deana

Deana
(Newbie)
16:12, 23 Mar 2009
Quote

“Steven Milicevic will pay for this and i will put my life on that”

Deana, I hope that is just emotion talking here. And that when you go on to say in another post that you wouldn’t wish this on anyone….that this applies to Mr Milicevic. When people throw punches – as it appears both of these guys may have done on more than one occasion – the risk is – whether intentional or not – you either can throw a fatal blow or receive one yourself. It’s very easy to blame …. but that only perpetuates the cycle of violence. The loss of a young life is very tragic for all concerned, especially for the parents and loved ones. While no one deserves to die the old adage is right – live by the sword (or punch) and you are likely to die by the sword (punch). If this was a punch up on the lawn, as someone posted earlier – then the outcome could have just as easily been reversed. Is this too difficult for some of our gungho young men to understand…..that maybe, just maybe, next time you decide to throw a punch to resolve a problem it just might be you – either facing a charge of manslaughter or your life cut short….for what? Deana, I hope for your sake – and that of your friends – that you can shake off that cycle of blame and start to see that consequences follow our actions. Let the justice system take care of this, so that the perpetrator can pay his price as required by society and that you can actually move on and make the most of the rest of your life.

Dealer, taker, sharer, giver; whats the fucking difference?

OK, misunderstood that bit if you aren’t threatening violence I apologise.

I don’t know that anybody normal would simply go up and tell random loved ones that the person deserved to die, but if I genuinely felt that way about someone (eg. perhaps I would feel that for a drug dealer who caused the death of someone I love), and I wanted to say how I felt, then I wouldn’t care a whole lot if those loved ones find out how I felt.

That said, yes people do say a lot of crap especially on the internet, and yes they are going to continue to say that, and even if they don’t say it then probably there are a lot of people thinking it. So the key is to not read it or not let it get to you… Think about it, some people feel drug dealers deserve to die, therefore if you have a drug dealing loved one who dies, then some people will feel they deserved to die.

Libel is another story. If someone is saying “JB is a drug dealer …” and that is untrue, then it is reasonable to be annoyed about that, I think.

Sorry for duplicating You’s/Youse/Your message, didn’t refresh before posting-

Cletus 2 I don’t think that was a threat to physical violence (although I could be wrong), looks to me like a comment about the relative anonymity of the internet and the willingness of people to say hurtful things when they feel they have no real responsibility over the results of those comments (and don’t have to actually see another person hurting). Looks rather similar to the behaviour of those they comment on really, i.e. taking action without concern or understanding of the outcomes.

Where did I ever mention physical violence? I’m looking over what I wrote, but i’m continuously failing to see anything regarding the threatening of physical violence.

Sure, you can say whatever you like, wherever you like. But I highly doubt you’d be telling someone face to face that their dead friend was a low life that deserved to die. Why? because suddenly you’re no longer removed from the responsibility of dealing with that persons emotions, and unless you’re a sociopath, you may just feel a little empathy.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy8:58 pm 23 Mar 09

Yeah you big poo poo head.

You, lots of people consider cases where others deserve to be murdered. Morality isn’t absolute. So don’t tell people how they should think.

And I also hate bullies who want people to “say it to my face”. Why? I and anyone else can say whatever I like wherever I like. You’re a small, simple person, representing a large part of what is wrong with humanity if you think it is a good idea to silence someone’s opinions with the threat of physical violence.

No one DESERVES to be murdered. Jesus some of you people are heartless pieces of shit.

I don’t know Jamie, I don’t know his family or his friends. He obviously had people that cared about him, and so to those people i’m sorry.

I’m sure the vast majority of the hardasses on here would change their tune the moment you remove the veil of a computer screen. It’s a lot easier to tell someone their friend deserved to be murdered when you don’t have to look at them in the face, i’m sure.

I have a horrible premonition that the impact of this fatality is going to land very close to this little black duck’s home.

Can anyone add any information to that already known regarding the alleged perp, one Steven Milicevic?

Deana said :

this has nothing to do with me but JP was a good friend to me and the rest of his mates. I dont know why alot of you are putting Jamie down. He did no deserve to get bashed to death. espically when he knew nothing about it. If you ask me it was all a dog act.

Many people think you are wrong about the part where you said he didn’t deserve it. Was it a dog act? Probably considering his past and his ‘friends’….

I’ll second that….

Eyeball In A Quart Jar Of Snot6:34 pm 23 Mar 09

Milicevic? Another blast from the past.

Skidd Marx said :

Oh Micky what a pity you don’t understand.

My vote for post of the year thus far!!

i think we need to have a bit of respect for the families and children that are left behind in all of this.

but in saying that let’s not kid ourselves here JP was maybe a nice guy to his friends and family i mean what kind of person isnt?

but he was a drug dealer and a guy who on more than one occassion has done things no mother would be proud of….

Sadly Karma does come back and bite!

this has nothing to do with me but JP was a good friend to me and the rest of his mates. I dont know why alot of you are putting Jamie down. He did no deserve to get bashed to death. espically when he knew nothing about it. If you ask me it was all a dog act.

Madame Workalot4:22 pm 23 Mar 09

Deana said :

Yeah, for about a week until Peisely and his boys were barred by Scotty for drugs and fighting.

realityskin you obviously have the wrong Jamie. He worked there for a quiet a while actually.
You obviously don’t know the peisleys all that well. Jamie was a great friend, a loved family member and was always there for his kids. so what if he took a few drugs. majority of the teenagers and people in there 20’s take drugs. Steven Milicevic will pay for this and i will put my life on that

If we all take drugs, can we spell as well as you? If so, I’m totally there!

/sarcasm

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy4:17 pm 23 Mar 09

majority of the teenagers and people in there 20’s take drugs.

And that makes it ok, does it?

Deana said :

No he didn’t. He bugged Craig to let him work there, but then due to drugs and violence, Silverfern security gave Craig an ultimatum that it was either them or Peisely.

Yeah, for about a week until Peisely and his boys were barred by Scotty for drugs and fighting.

realityskin you obviously have the wrong Jamie. He worked there for a quiet a while actually.
You obviously don’t know the peisleys all that well. Jamie was a great friend, a loved family member and was always there for his kids. so what if he took a few drugs. majority of the teenagers and people in there 20’s take drugs. Steven Milicevic will pay for this and i will put my life on that

And the latest

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/792101/man-charged-over-suspicious-death

Steven Robert John Milicevic, 31, is charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

Jamie Joseph Peisley, 26, died on Friday shortly after he collapsed.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Did JP have a criminal record at all?

He had spent time in jail, yes.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy3:40 pm 23 Mar 09

Did JP have a criminal record at all?

The cops may well have had the wrong guy in this case (although I doubt it), but there must have been a reason to
a) come looking for this guy, and
b) be convinced they could get him in court.

They should stop reading now, as most of the comments about this bloke will not be nice.

I just don’t understand why a ‘close family member’ is reading riotact instead of grieving with family and friends?

I know if I lost someone close to me, the last thing I would want to do is get on the internet. I would want to discuss the deceased with other people that knew them as intimately as I did.

jamie was a loving family member and i have never seen him or heard him be disrepectful to any of his family and true friends.
He would always be there if anyone was in trouble.
I know a close relative has read this rubbish and is even more distressed.
To loose a close family member is bad enough but to then read all this about him they are very confused as this was not the Jamie they know and knew.

Deana said :

Jamie was the bouncer at the old Venue in Erindale.

Yeah, for about a week until Peisely and his boys were barred by Scotty for drugs and fighting.

Deana said :

He was NOT a dealer either like some of you jumping to conclusions.

uh huh

Jamie was a nice guy. He was not a junkie. Jamie was the bouncer at the old Venue in Erindale. Loved by many. Its a tragic what happened to him and i dont wish that upon anyone. He was NOT a dealer either like some of you jumping to conclusions. If you dont know who he is i would stop jumping to conclusions.

Growling Ferret said :

I’m liking the way that shitbags are knocking each other off in Sydney and Canberra. As long as nice law abiding citizens are not hurt or killed, surely this is a societal positive?

Yep, there’s plenty more Underbelly material here to keep Channel Nine busy for the next 10 years!

Sounds like the injury that film star died of last week. Still ambulatory after it, then died.

man will face the ACT Magistrates Court today charged over the death of another man at Wanniassa in Canberra’s south on Friday night.

The man has been charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

Paramedics were called to a home in Carr Crescent after reports that a 26-year-old man had collapsed and was unresponsive.

He was unable to be revived and died a short time later.

A post mortem examination will be conducted tomorrow.

Oh Micky what a pity you don’t understand.

“He had a fight on his front lawn.

Blow for blow.”

Against 6 guys yea..

123qwe said :

but I do hope the police put in a bit of an effort in catching his killer/s.

He had a fight on his front lawn.

Blow for blow.

It finished.

He went back inside his house and shortly after collapsed and died (due to some sort of head injury one would assume?)

Does anyone else know if JP was one of three guys involved in this home invasion?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/03/20/2522238.htm?site=canberra

I was not a massive fan of his, but I do hope the police put in a bit of an effort in catching his killer/s.

I can’t get over how this contender for FOTW uses apostrophes. It’s downright weird. Maybe he sold his soul for apostrophes, but had to throw in all the full stops and commas as well. And capitals.

Growling Ferret said :

I’m liking the way that shitbags are knocking each other off in Sydney and Canberra. As long as nice law abiding citizens are not hurt or killed, surely this is a societal positive?

and what if law abiding citizens are hurt or killed or just have thier house shot up by so called “shitbags” i bet if your family were court in the cross fire or lived in fear daily as these people lived near them you won’t be thinking that it’s societal positive

Growling Ferret9:42 pm 22 Mar 09

I’m liking the way that shitbags are knocking each other off in Sydney and Canberra. As long as nice law abiding citizens are not hurt or killed, surely this is a societal positive?

vg had in her parking lot at Woolies 😀

The mind boggles!

realityskin said :

vg had in her parking lot at Woolies 😀

Snort! guffaw.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy8:44 pm 22 Mar 09

Too late!

🙂

Don’t tell anyone 😉

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy8:02 pm 22 Mar 09

Sorry vg, I thought you might have been hanging out with her in a Dickson carpark…

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy said :

Why vg, was she busy at the time…?

vg had in her parking lot at Woolies 😀

vg said :

She’s not one of the investigating Police, that’s why

I know some rioters don’t like VG, but I do. Obviously, there more to this case than is being reported but I’m betting VG is closer to it than most (any) of us.

She’s not one of the investigating Police, that’s why

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy6:35 pm 22 Mar 09

Why vg, was she busy at the time…?

Your Mum would have no idea how or why the person died

fair enough, your experience seems to give your sentiments ample weight. i don’t necessarily disagree, of course, at the heart of your assessment of the class ‘drug dealer’ and i too claim no knowledge of this person, so i am in no position to decry a valid standpoint.

i’m the devil not so in disquiz, as it were – or at least his advocate! but well put position and have had some similar relationships in my time and have taken the same path.

astrojax said :

hitler and milat were clearly dominated by the aspect of their character for which we are entitled not to have respect; on the evidence, this chap wasn’t yet berraboy seems to be assuming a lot for not actually haven known the man. is all…

(and it is another question again if the suburban dealers are the real lynchpins in the chain of events whereby drugs ruin someone’s life – not for this thread…)

In some respect Astrojax you are right, and I apologise if my comments caused offence. My stance is this: If somebody becomes hooked on drugs due to the effects of their background (e.g. abuse etc.) then I feel genuinely sorry for them and will try help them as much as I can. That said, sympathy is not the same as respect, which I can have for ‘user’ at a later time if the person is seen to be actually trying to help themselves.

This is simply my view on ‘users’ of hard drugs and I have known a few, including family members who’s lives have been ruined by cocaine, heroine, ice etc. right her in Canberra. When it comes to dealers however, I can have no positive feelings for them at all, no matter how nice they may appear to the broader community. I’ve walked out on a more than one friendship once I realised my ‘friends’ were involved in dealing.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy5:03 pm 22 Mar 09

Respect is something earned, not something to which everyone is automatically entitled. People that carry on about ‘respect’ are usually confusing respect with good manners.

astrojax said :

and it is another question again if the suburban dealers are the real lynchpins in the chain of events whereby drugs ruin someone’s life – not for this thread..

Yes, that would be a a thread worth having. (hint hint JB)

hitler and milat were clearly dominated by the aspect of their character for which we are entitled not to have respect; on the evidence, this chap wasn’t yet berraboy seems to be assuming a lot for not actually haven known the man. is all…

(and it is another question again if the suburban dealers are the real lynchpins in the chain of events whereby drugs ruin someone’s life – not for this thread…)

Astrojax – how bad do you have to be before you lose the respect? If Hitler or Ivan Milat were lovely people, but just had one bad “aspect of a complex life” – do you still respect them? Or are you implying that their families might still have respect for them?

How bad does someone have to be before we give up – kill someone or kill many or rape someone – and does dealing drugs, which leads to deaths and ruined lives suffice?

nicely said, devil.

in fact, this highlights berra’s judging of this person on one aspect of a complex life rather than the whole. indeed seeming keen to dismiss the rest, in fact, when it is this ‘rest’ that matters to significant others – which is why, yes, even dealers deserve some respect.

Devil_n_Disquiz3:06 pm 22 Mar 09

On a couple of occasions I had picked up a ‘Jamie’ from Carr Cres in the taxi and took him to the Venue at Erindale. I have no idea if its the same one. The Jamie I came into contact with was a stocky, blonde haired guy.
He was obviously many different things to many different people. Some good and some not so good. If in fact it is the same guy I just want to say that while he was a passenger in my cab he was always a very polite, friendly and well spoken young man.

As I said in the other related thread, I have absolutely no sympathy for anybody that deals drugs. And contrary to bella’s assertion @ post #17 in the other thread, I believe dealers are certainly not deserving of our respect. Why should they be? If anything they deserve our contempt.

That said, if the deceased had family that are innocent in all this, then they have certainly do my sincerest sympathies.

Trunking symbols2:22 pm 22 Mar 09

As you grow older you’ll learn to throw in a few “allegedlys” when relating stories like this.

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy1:02 pm 22 Mar 09

Sadly, this is where drugs lead in some cases.

A friend who would have done anything for you? Hmm, how about providing a safe and healthy environment for his kids…?

“He is a man that is going to be missed my many x x x”

Yes, he probably is a man who will be missed by many…junkies who can no longer get drugs from him?

Well MiCkY91 it sounds like your quite shocked by all of this, take it easy ok. Perhaps there’s lessons to be learned here but don’t let the events overwhelm you.

Well thats not the smartest thing to say is it.
More could have been killed in all this if he got out his guns!
RIP JP.
Yes he may be many things in this world but he was a son, a brother & father.Most of all a friend that would have one anything for you!
He is a man that is going to be missed my many x x x

Hmm.. I’m pretty sure the lesson here is that if you’re going to deal with drugs you should always carry a gun.

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