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The No Bell Bicyclists

Zan 27 December 2012 189

An encounter today on the shared footpath/bicycle caused a bicyclist who had no bell. We did not hear him coming from behind. I asked him where his bell was. He said he didn’t need one as it didn’t fit on his bars.

Well here is what you need under the ACT Road Rules:

258 Equipment on a bicycle

A person must not ride a bicycle that does not have:

(a) at least 1 effective brake; and

(b) a bell, horn, or similar warning device, in working order.

Offence provision.


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KB1971 KB1971 12:40 pm 21 Mar 13

Zan said :

Had to share this with you as it is not only Canberra having problems with bicyclists. Read this letter to the editor from the Sydney Morning Herald today:

Bells ring for bicycling
Cars were once kings of the road but now I can confidently suggest that bicycles are taking over not only the roads but footpaths.
What happened to the regulations that require them to have bells and lights, and for bells to be used when riding on footpaths? And what happened to it being illegal for bicycles to use footpaths as roads? Yet large sums of money are being spent to provide paths for these pests.
Gloria Healey Condell Park

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/letters/people-want-leadership-not-leaders–just-get-on-with-the-job-20130320-2gft5.html#ixzz2O7u1rAsy

You think traffic problems are isolated to Canberra?

Fair dinkum some fo you people just dont get it.

-1,000,000 internets to you.

Alderney Alderney 12:29 pm 21 Mar 13

…and I walked past someone the other day that had done a fart.

I want a law that says everyone has to put a bag over their arse so I don’t have to smell their pumps.

Some people just whinge, no real reason, they just whinge.

Zan Zan 10:44 am 21 Mar 13

Had to share this with you as it is not only Canberra having problems with bicyclists. Read this letter to the editor from the Sydney Morning Herald today:

Bells ring for bicycling
Cars were once kings of the road but now I can confidently suggest that bicycles are taking over not only the roads but footpaths.
What happened to the regulations that require them to have bells and lights, and for bells to be used when riding on footpaths? And what happened to it being illegal for bicycles to use footpaths as roads? Yet large sums of money are being spent to provide paths for these pests.
Gloria Healey Condell Park

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/letters/people-want-leadership-not-leaders–just-get-on-with-the-job-20130320-2gft5.html#ixzz2O7u1rAsy

Jim Jones Jim Jones 5:12 pm 14 Feb 13

Baldy said :

Jim Jones said :

Baldy said :

Now if you please step aside, some of us are trying to have a real conversation.

Offering your all-important ‘opinion’ via meaningless generalisations is a ‘real conversation’?

When did that happen?

I’ll have to let all the scientists know they can down tools, as we won’t need any of those pesky ‘facts’ anymore, apparently the sanctity of ‘my opinion’ is good enough these days.

Heh. You don’t really get the point of what I am saying to you do you.

Irony of Morrissettian proportions.

Postalgeek Postalgeek 4:47 pm 14 Feb 13

Baldy said :

Grail said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Postalgeek, you obviously have no children. If you think lashing kids together like train cars to prevent drifting onto the wrong side of the track is what should happen, you really need a wake up call into reality.

Postalgeek was quite clearly stating that they feel shared paths are not the place to take children. That is to say, there are many alternatives to getting children from one place to another including walking on the grass and staying clear of the path.

Sooo. what you are saying is pedestrians really have no right to walk on the shared paths and should get out of the way of bikes?

Wow. As a fellow rider that is a really, really poor attitude and you are not doing the bike riders side of the argument any good with that comment.

Tempting as it is to attempt to correct the misinterpretations of my earlier posts, I’m curious to see how far this farcical train of incomprehension can go before it eventually derails.

I believe we were up to no pedestrians have the right to walk on shared paths. Gold. Please continue…

Baldy Baldy 4:31 pm 14 Feb 13

Grail said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Postalgeek, you obviously have no children. If you think lashing kids together like train cars to prevent drifting onto the wrong side of the track is what should happen, you really need a wake up call into reality.

Postalgeek was quite clearly stating that they feel shared paths are not the place to take children. That is to say, there are many alternatives to getting children from one place to another including walking on the grass and staying clear of the path.

Sooo. what you are saying is pedestrians really have no right to walk on the shared paths and should get out of the way of bikes?

Wow. As a fellow rider that is a really, really poor attitude and you are not doing the bike riders side of the argument any good with that comment.

Baldy Baldy 4:30 pm 14 Feb 13

Jim Jones said :

Baldy said :

Now if you please step aside, some of us are trying to have a real conversation.

Offering your all-important ‘opinion’ via meaningless generalisations is a ‘real conversation’?

When did that happen?

I’ll have to let all the scientists know they can down tools, as we won’t need any of those pesky ‘facts’ anymore, apparently the sanctity of ‘my opinion’ is good enough these days.

Heh. You don’t really get the point of what I am saying to you do you.

DrKoresh DrKoresh 4:01 pm 14 Feb 13

Grail said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Postalgeek, you obviously have no children. If you think lashing kids together like train cars to prevent drifting onto the wrong side of the track is what should happen, you really need a wake up call into reality.

Postalgeek was quite clearly stating that they feel shared paths are not the place to take children. That is to say, there are many alternatives to getting children from one place to another including walking on the grass and staying clear of the path.

Get stuffed, you just have to make sure as a cyclist not to run over small children. I’m the first to tell a doe-eyed parent that the world doesn’t revolve around their little parasite, but the self-righteousness of telling parents not to take their chillen for a walk beggars belief. Why can’t you do your cycling out of everyone else’s way?

Grail Grail 2:05 pm 14 Feb 13

wildturkeycanoe said :

Postalgeek, you obviously have no children. If you think lashing kids together like train cars to prevent drifting onto the wrong side of the track is what should happen, you really need a wake up call into reality.

Postalgeek was quite clearly stating that they feel shared paths are not the place to take children. That is to say, there are many alternatives to getting children from one place to another including walking on the grass and staying clear of the path.

Postalgeek Postalgeek 2:01 pm 14 Feb 13

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

You too miss the point. Children are unpredictable and i refuse to put mine on a leash like some sort of animal. i will do best i can, but you better god damn slow down and take care if you pass us.

I also do not give a crap if you yell bike or ring a bell or start singing like a kookaburra, just make sure you notify us of your presence and i will do my best to not only keep left but also kep left of the left side of the path.

Oh boy.

Let me just clarify something. Are you saying that you think I’ve said children should be kept, literally, on a leash?

Be aware that the earlier use of ‘off the leash’ was metaphorical, not literal, hence the inverted commas.

KB1971 KB1971 1:33 pm 14 Feb 13

Felix the Cat said :

KB1971 said :

I just have to say this ….. WHAT AN AWESOME RIDE TO WORK TODAY!!!!

All the car drivers were courteous, all the dog owners had their dogs on leads, all the pedestrians were walking left and not wandering all over the place like a mixo rabbit.

& the morning was beautiful. So much better than commuting by car.

Checks date on calender, hmmm not April 1st yet.

No, no, true story I swear 🙂

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd 1:31 pm 14 Feb 13

Postalgeek said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

Postalgeek said :

Comic_and_Gamer_Nerd said :

To all those basically saying keep your children in line while walking, do you have kids? Do you remember stumbling as a kid. It’s up to a responsible cyclist to identify a child and slow the eff down.

To reiterate my very first sentence:

I agree that cyclists should be extra careful around kids and animals, and abusing them doesn’t reflect well on the abuser (though ‘abuse’ is in the eye of the beholder).

Yes I have kids and I do not think busy thoroughfares are the best place for them to learn direction and balance.

But hey, if you think your kids should be free to swerve in front of oncoming cyclists, whatever their speed, good for you. Let me know how it works out for you.

It’s worked out great so far. We all keep left as much as possible and the cyclists so far have always gone around without issue.

Yep, there’s that keeping left thing working for you. Good to hear.

You too miss the point. Children are unpredictable and i refuse to put mine on a leash like some sort of animal. i will do best i can, but you better god damn slow down and take care if you pass us.

I also do not give a crap if you yell bike or ring a bell or start singing like a kookaburra, just make sure you notify us of your presence and i will do my best to not only keep left but also kep left of the left side of the path.

Jim Jones Jim Jones 1:09 pm 14 Feb 13

Baldy said :

Now if you please step aside, some of us are trying to have a real conversation.

Offering your all-important ‘opinion’ via meaningless generalisations is a ‘real conversation’?

When did that happen?

I’ll have to let all the scientists know they can down tools, as we won’t need any of those pesky ‘facts’ anymore, apparently the sanctity of ‘my opinion’ is good enough these days.

Felix the Cat Felix the Cat 12:47 pm 14 Feb 13

KB1971 said :

I just have to say this ….. WHAT AN AWESOME RIDE TO WORK TODAY!!!!

All the car drivers were courteous, all the dog owners had their dogs on leads, all the pedestrians were walking left and not wandering all over the place like a mixo rabbit.

& the morning was beautiful. So much better than commuting by car.

Checks date on calender, hmmm not April 1st yet.

wildturkeycanoe wildturkeycanoe 12:17 pm 14 Feb 13

Postalgeek said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Postalgeek, you obviously have no children. If you think lashing kids together like train cars to prevent drifting onto the wrong side of the track is what should happen, you really need a wake up call into reality. Here is a quote from the TAMS website about shared paths – “Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times”. It does not say cyclists have a right to free passage without impediment from toddlers. Next you’ll be wanting dogs on leashes in these leash free areas in case they run out in front of you or walking licenses to be issued after completing a competency test, to see if you can pace a straight line for 10 metres without veering /- 30cm. Walking whilst drunk or under the influence of drugs should be banned as well as talking on a mobile, listening to loud music or whilst engaging in the consumption of food and/or beverages.

Nice straw man, with a subtle hint of hysteria. I liked the bit about wanting dogs on leashes in off-leash areas.

Equally entertaining was your pick of the choice cuts of the TAMS dictate while ignoring the rest:

Shared path
(Mostly black bitumen often marked with white centre lines)
The use of shared paths is restricted to non-motorised transport (with the exception of motorised wheelchairs and power assisted pedal cycles). Both pedestrians and cyclists must share the use of these paths. Please respect all users and be prepared to give way to cyclists and pedestrians as necessary. When cycling, warn of your approach by sounding your bell; if you are cycling or walking, keep to the left. Cyclists should pass pedestrians on the right. Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times. If you are a pedestrian, keep a look out for cyclists and give them room to pass. Dogs must be on a leash at all times.

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/roads-transport/cycling/cycling_information/road_rules

I’m sorry, as much as you print things in the media, on paper or otherwise, generally toddlers do not read, do not focus on a bell ringing when there is an exciting butterfly fluttering off in the distance and have the ability to rely on their younger sibling to distract Mum for minutes on end.
When a cyclist, able to ride in excess of 40km/h on a bike path with clearance between left and right lanes of less than half a metre, has to react to a possible collision with animate object doing 10km/h in perpendicular vector it leaves little time to remember the rules.
If you want some assistance in understanding this issue, the following link has some interesting points regarding shared paths, their jurisdiction being administered by the authorities and 10km/h speed limits for shared paths, http://ntc.gov.au/rfcDocuments/DOC2112112011122115343511642.pdf
Liability comes into play here, so if words do not convince you, perhaps dollars and cents will.
I cannot believe I’ve become anti-cycling from the point of view of a pedestrian. Even as a cyclist I cannot understand your point of view. However, if I could BOLD something it would be “Please respect all users.”. That pretty much sums up the one problem with not just cycle paths, but society in general.
Also, apologies for the comment about you not being a parent, your reply to someone else beat my post. [Plus, it was a little insensitive]. Insert peace sign here —>

thebrownstreak69 thebrownstreak69 11:31 am 14 Feb 13

Dilandach said :

Cyclists don’t like the crap that some drivers pull so why do it to pedestrians?

A very good point.

dpm dpm 11:27 am 14 Feb 13

Dilandach said :

Postalgeek said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Postalgeek, you obviously have no children. If you think lashing kids together like train cars to prevent drifting onto the wrong side of the track is what should happen, you really need a wake up call into reality. Here is a quote from the TAMS website about shared paths – “Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times”. It does not say cyclists have a right to free passage without impediment from toddlers. Next you’ll be wanting dogs on leashes in these leash free areas in case they run out in front of you or walking licenses to be issued after completing a competency test, to see if you can pace a straight line for 10 metres without veering /- 30cm. Walking whilst drunk or under the influence of drugs should be banned as well as talking on a mobile, listening to loud music or whilst engaging in the consumption of food and/or beverages.

Nice straw man, with a subtle hint of hysteria. I liked the bit about wanting dogs on leashes in off-leash areas.

Equally entertaining was your pick of the choice cuts of the TAMS dictate while ignoring the rest:

Shared path
(Mostly black bitumen often marked with white centre lines)
The use of shared paths is restricted to non-motorised transport (with the exception of motorised wheelchairs and power assisted pedal cycles). Both pedestrians and cyclists must share the use of these paths. Please respect all users and be prepared to give way to cyclists and pedestrians as necessary. When cycling, warn of your approach by sounding your bell; if you are cycling or walking, keep to the left. Cyclists should pass pedestrians on the right. Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times. If you are a pedestrian, keep a look out for cyclists and give them room to pass. Dogs must be on a leash at all times.

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/roads-transport/cycling/cycling_information/road_rules

Nice that you neglected to bold Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times.

I think because that was the one bit that was already quoted and she was highlighting the other relevant bits that were missed?

Pitchka Pitchka 11:21 am 14 Feb 13

Nice that you neglected to bold Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times.

HAHA, yes, just a small oversight….

KB1971 KB1971 11:21 am 14 Feb 13

Dilandach said :

Postalgeek said :

wildturkeycanoe said :

Postalgeek, you obviously have no children. If you think lashing kids together like train cars to prevent drifting onto the wrong side of the track is what should happen, you really need a wake up call into reality. Here is a quote from the TAMS website about shared paths – “Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times”. It does not say cyclists have a right to free passage without impediment from toddlers. Next you’ll be wanting dogs on leashes in these leash free areas in case they run out in front of you or walking licenses to be issued after completing a competency test, to see if you can pace a straight line for 10 metres without veering /- 30cm. Walking whilst drunk or under the influence of drugs should be banned as well as talking on a mobile, listening to loud music or whilst engaging in the consumption of food and/or beverages.

Nice straw man, with a subtle hint of hysteria. I liked the bit about wanting dogs on leashes in off-leash areas.

Equally entertaining was your pick of the choice cuts of the TAMS dictate while ignoring the rest:

Shared path
(Mostly black bitumen often marked with white centre lines)
The use of shared paths is restricted to non-motorised transport (with the exception of motorised wheelchairs and power assisted pedal cycles). Both pedestrians and cyclists must share the use of these paths. Please respect all users and be prepared to give way to cyclists and pedestrians as necessary. When cycling, warn of your approach by sounding your bell; if you are cycling or walking, keep to the left. Cyclists should pass pedestrians on the right. Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times. If you are a pedestrian, keep a look out for cyclists and give them room to pass. Dogs must be on a leash at all times.

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/roads-transport/cycling/cycling_information/road_rules

Nice that you neglected to bold Cyclists should give way to pedestrians and other users at all times.

the paragraph is basically saying everybody should give way to everybody……regardless of the bolding…..*rolls eyes*

Postalgeek Postalgeek 11:10 am 14 Feb 13

Dilandach said :

Postalgeek said :

I agree that cyclists should be extra careful around kids and animals, and abusing them doesn’t reflect well on the abuser (though ‘abuse’ is in the eye of the beholder).

Yes I have kids and I do not think busy thoroughfares are the best place for them to learn direction and balance.

But hey, if you think your kids should be free to swerve in front of oncoming cyclists, whatever their speed, good for you. Let me know how it works out for you.

Any cyclist that doesn’t give way like they’re supposed to and ends up hitting one of my little ones because they’re riding like a juiced up Armstrong are going to get their bike placed internally via their closest orifice.

* Use your damn bell, I don’t give a shit what excuse you come up with for not having one.
* Give way to pedestrians like you’re supposed to, the pathways aren’t a velodrome.
* Be aware of little kids and don’t be a self righteous jackass that thinks its cyclists first and foremost on the path. Is it really too much to ask to slow down?

Cyclists don’t like the crap that some drivers pull so why do it to pedestrians?

Yeah, I can see now reading back through what I’ve written that I’ve said that cyclists shouldn’t be careful around kids.

I think my only mistake was suggesting that all users abide by the rules and that parents should shoulder some responsibility and endeavour to prevent their kids drifting across shared lanes and causing accidents. But I can understand why that would be offensive to a certain group of people.

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