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The people smuggler of the Gungahlin trolley queue

By johnboy 5 June 2012 77

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The ABC’s Four Corners surprised many last night by revealing that the ACT’s public housing is playing home to an alleged people smuggling ring.

A lot of red faces throughout Canberra this morning as Immigration, ASIO, and the AFP seem to have dropped the ball.

[Image courtesy 4 Corners website]

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buzz819 1:36 pm 06 Jun 12

You know what I think we should do? For Henry’s sake, we should get rid of the prohibition on illegally migrating. Then we wont be providing the people smugglers any laws to break, then we should give asylum seekers money to fly over here safely, then let everyone smoke weed legally to.

TheDancingDjinn 1:17 pm 06 Jun 12

Mysteryman said :

Jim Jones said :

What part of ‘a pox on both their houses’ do you not understand?

So blinded by ideological fervour for your beloved liberal party that you’re on the attack before the brain engages, right?

I was close to being blinding by the glaring stupidity in your post, but I managed to look away before it was too late. That was the point at which I decided to provide you some facts and context, in hopes that you might think twice before posting such idiotic nonsense. It appears that my efforts were in vain, unfortunately. Continue will your “Howard is the devil racist blah blah” rambling though.

The people you are both referring to are politicians – they could give 2 s***s whether you 2 like them or not, once they are in power your opinion on what they do is irrelevant. They are all dishonest, and will all do you in the ass if you bend over long enough.

Mysteryman 1:05 pm 06 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

What part of ‘a pox on both their houses’ do you not understand?

So blinded by ideological fervour for your beloved liberal party that you’re on the attack before the brain engages, right?

I was close to being blinding by the glaring stupidity in your post, but I managed to look away before it was too late. That was the point at which I decided to provide you some facts and context, in hopes that you might think twice before posting such idiotic nonsense. It appears that my efforts were in vain, unfortunately. Continue will your “Howard is the devil racist blah blah” rambling though.

Jim Jones 11:05 am 06 Jun 12

Mysteryman said :

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

Thumper said :

Although I agree that TPVs are the way to go, I fail to see how asking for asylum could in any way be seen as illegal?

Cause some populist arsehole politician started spouting nasty dogwhistling rhetoric about ‘illegal immigrants’ to win an election, that’s why.

Immigration in Australia (particularly boat arrivals) are almost a non-issue. It’s such a small amount of people that the sound and fury that gets whipped up about it is almost funny.

The politicisation of this issue by both major parties is absolutely disgusting and has led to a lot of racism. A pox on both their houses. Although, lets face it, some people clearing don’t need much inciting.

Yeah boat arrivals are a non issue. Well except for the fact that quite a number of people have died making the extremely dangerous journey.

Something those extra empathetic and compassionate (usually lefty) supporters just love to ignore.

Oh, so that’s why Howard and his ilk were always ranting ‘we’ll decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come’, and why Ruddock compared boat people to terrrorists, and why Scott Morrisson is popularly known as the “minister for whipping up racist fears”, and why Siev X and all the other tragedies occurred. It isn’t dogwhistle politics t bogans in Western Sydney all. It’s actually because they really care about boat people.

It turns out that the whole thing is actually driven by compassion and a desire to help ones fellow man, rather than bigotry, distrust and fear.

Silly me.

You forgot to mention that mandatory detention was introduced by the Keating Labor government, and that they greatly expanded it’s powers shortly after to allow for indefinite detention – the same government that claimed it needed to be done to stop the “flood”. And let’s not forget good ol’ Labor Immigration Minister Gerry Hand, who in 1992 said, “the government is determined that a clear signal be sent that migration to Australia may not be achieved by simply arriving in this country and expecting to be allowed into the community.” Sounds a lot like “we’ll decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come”, doesn’t it?

There was also Labor Senator and Caucus member Jim McKiernan who claimed that “turning boats around at sea may be the only way to stop the floodgates opening and to protect Australia in the long term”. That doesn’t sound at all like an attempt to stir up fear, does it?

But hey, don’t let any of this stop you from crying “the racists libs are the worst its all their fault ppl died and Howard was bad trollolololol”. Facts certainly haven’t stopped you in the past, have they?

What part of ‘a pox on both their houses’ do you not understand?

So blinded by ideological fervour for your beloved liberal party that you’re on the attack before the brain engages, right?

Mysteryman 10:20 am 06 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

Thumper said :

Although I agree that TPVs are the way to go, I fail to see how asking for asylum could in any way be seen as illegal?

Cause some populist arsehole politician started spouting nasty dogwhistling rhetoric about ‘illegal immigrants’ to win an election, that’s why.

Immigration in Australia (particularly boat arrivals) are almost a non-issue. It’s such a small amount of people that the sound and fury that gets whipped up about it is almost funny.

The politicisation of this issue by both major parties is absolutely disgusting and has led to a lot of racism. A pox on both their houses. Although, lets face it, some people clearing don’t need much inciting.

Yeah boat arrivals are a non issue. Well except for the fact that quite a number of people have died making the extremely dangerous journey.

Something those extra empathetic and compassionate (usually lefty) supporters just love to ignore.

Oh, so that’s why Howard and his ilk were always ranting ‘we’ll decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come’, and why Ruddock compared boat people to terrrorists, and why Scott Morrisson is popularly known as the “minister for whipping up racist fears”, and why Siev X and all the other tragedies occurred. It isn’t dogwhistle politics t bogans in Western Sydney all. It’s actually because they really care about boat people.

It turns out that the whole thing is actually driven by compassion and a desire to help ones fellow man, rather than bigotry, distrust and fear.

Silly me.

You forgot to mention that mandatory detention was introduced by the Keating Labor government, and that they greatly expanded it’s powers shortly after to allow for indefinite detention – the same government that claimed it needed to be done to stop the “flood”. And let’s not forget good ol’ Labor Immigration Minister Gerry Hand, who in 1992 said, “the government is determined that a clear signal be sent that migration to Australia may not be achieved by simply arriving in this country and expecting to be allowed into the community.” Sounds a lot like “we’ll decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come”, doesn’t it?

There was also Labor Senator and Caucus member Jim McKiernan who claimed that “turning boats around at sea may be the only way to stop the floodgates opening and to protect Australia in the long term”. That doesn’t sound at all like an attempt to stir up fear, does it?

But hey, don’t let any of this stop you from crying “the racists libs are the worst its all their fault ppl died and Howard was bad trollolololol”. Facts certainly haven’t stopped you in the past, have they?

Diggety 9:31 am 06 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

Yeah boat arrivals are a non issue. Well except for the fact that quite a number of people have died making the extremely dangerous journey.

Something those extra empathetic and compassionate (usually lefty) supporters just love to ignore.

Oh, so that’s why Howard and his ilk were always ranting ‘we’ll decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come’, and why Ruddock compared boat people to terrrorists, and why Scott Morrisson is popularly known as the “minister for whipping up racist fears”, and why Siev X and all the other tragedies occurred. It isn’t dogwhistle politics t bogans in Western Sydney all. It’s actually because they really care about boat people.

It turns out that the whole thing is actually driven by compassion and a desire to help ones fellow man, rather than bigotry, distrust and fear.

Silly me.

The sinking of the SIEV-X killing 353 asylum seekers happened before the Pacific Solution was implemented. So, what “other tragedies”? The ones that happened after the Pacific Solution was cancelled?

The rest of your comment sounds like “but, but, everybody is racist!”. Bullsh*t, they just think in a holitstic manner, a necessary perspective when considering a complex issue like this one.

buzz819 9:30 am 06 Jun 12

mutley said :

buzz819 said :

johnboy said :

welkin31 said :

#38 – johnboy – you said – “except that 8-9 out of ten arrivals (iirc) are making legitimate claims for asylum.”

Do you seriously have faith that our system is not being lied to and abused ?

None whatsoever. But I’d rather call someone who made the effort to come here on dangerous boats my countryman than the average bogan in the street who lucked out in the lottery of birth.

Lol… Here here…

They never release the figures of how many people arrive here at the airport seeking assylum, I’d be interested in seeing the difference in numbers between the two.

Yeah never… just every 3 months or so….

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/statistics/asylum/_files/asylum-stats-march-quarter-2012.pdf

I probably should have Googled, thanks for that!

buzz819 9:28 am 06 Jun 12

HenryBG said :

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

Thumper said :

Although I agree that TPVs are the way to go, I fail to see how asking for asylum could in any way be seen as illegal?

Cause some populist arsehole politician started spouting nasty dogwhistling rhetoric about ‘illegal immigrants’ to win an election, that’s why.

Immigration in Australia (particularly boat arrivals) are almost a non-issue. It’s such a small amount of people that the sound and fury that gets whipped up about it is almost funny.

The politicisation of this issue by both major parties is absolutely disgusting and has led to a lot of racism. A pox on both their houses. Although, lets face it, some people clearing don’t need much inciting.

Yeah boat arrivals are a non issue. Well except for the fact that quite a number of people have died making the extremely dangerous journey.

Something those extra empathetic and compassionate (usually lefty) supporters just love to ignore.

Oh, so that’s why Howard and his ilk were always ranting ‘we’ll decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come’, and why Ruddock compared boat people to terrrorists, and why Scott Morrisson is popularly known as the “minister for whipping up racist fears”, and why Siev X and all the other tragedies occurred. It isn’t dogwhistle politics t bogans in Western Sydney all. It’s actually because they really care about boat people.

It turns out that the whole thing is actually driven by compassion and a desire to help ones fellow man, rather than bigotry, distrust and fear.

Silly me.

Interestingly, the events which befell SIEV X have re-occurred 8 times since then, but the pro-fake-refugee mob don’t seem to be as upset about the 8 bots that have gone done under Labor’s waqtch as they are about the one they falsely accused the Libs of being responsible for.

These lefties are completely and utterly irrational on this issue.

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

buzz819 said :

See that?

unlawful.

If they were not unlawful, there would be no cause or excuse for detaining them. They could avoid detention if they just chose to enter Australia lawfully instead of unlawfully.

That’s the most desperate example of clutching at straws I’ve seen for a while.

You’re so wrong that it hurts.

They enter unlawfully, they are put into detention. Very simple. You seem to be having trouble with it.

People falsely detained can sue the government. Like Vivienne Solon and Cornelia Rao which the pro-fake-refugee mob seem to get so excited about all the time.

So that’s 2 people who have sued the govenrment for illegally detaining them, and several tens of thousands detained but now happily living on benefits somewhere in a suburb in Australia.

It seems you have changed your stance from being put in jail for breaking a law, to being detained for entering unlawfully, which are two totally different things. As has already been pointed out to you.

chewy14 9:26 am 06 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

Oh, so that’s why Howard and his ilk were always ranting ‘we’ll decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come’, and why Ruddock compared boat people to terrrorists, and why Scott Morrisson is popularly known as the “minister for whipping up racist fears”, and why Siev X and all the other tragedies occurred. It isn’t dogwhistle politics t bogans in Western Sydney all. It’s actually because they really care about boat people.

It turns out that the whole thing is actually driven by compassion and a desire to help ones fellow man, rather than bigotry, distrust and fear.

Silly me.

Stuffed up the quoting. Try again.

Ah, so it’s because all Aussies are racist bigots that we don’t want uncontrolled borders.

Silly me.

Oh and thanks for giving me a perfect example of my point about how certain people conveniently ignore the inherent dangers in making the journey by boat whilst claiming to have the moral high ground.

Nah, who cares about that?

Rah Rah Howard. Rah Rah Raciisssssssssttttttttttssssssss.

chewy14 9:12 am 06 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

Yeah boat arrivals are a non issue. Well except for the fact that quite a number of people have died making the extremely dangerous journey.

Something those extra empathetic and compassionate (usually lefty) supporters just love to ignore.

Oh, so that’s why Howard and his ilk were always ranting ‘we’ll decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come’, and why Ruddock compared boat people to terrrorists, and why Scott Morrisson is popularly known as the “minister for whipping up racist fears”, and why Siev X and all the other tragedies occurred. It isn’t dogwhistle politics t bogans in Western Sydney all. It’s actually because they really care about boat people.

It turns out that the whole thing is actually driven by compassion and a desire to help ones fellow man, rather than bigotry, distrust and fear.

Silly me.

Ah, so it’s because all Aussies are racist bigots that we don’t want uncontrolled borders.

Silly me.

Oh and thanks for giving me a perfect example of my point about how certain people conveniently ignore the inherent dangers in making the journey by boat whilst claiming to have the moral high ground.

Nah, who cares about that?

Rah Rah Howard. Rah Rah Raciisssssssssttttttttttssssssss.

Thumper 9:04 am 06 Jun 12

Whichever way you look at it Howard’s policy either worked brilliantly, ie, stopped pretty much all of the boats, or failed miserably, ie, stopped pretty much all of the boats.

Unlike the present mob who seem to have simply given up completely.

HenryBG 9:02 am 06 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

Thumper said :

Although I agree that TPVs are the way to go, I fail to see how asking for asylum could in any way be seen as illegal?

Cause some populist arsehole politician started spouting nasty dogwhistling rhetoric about ‘illegal immigrants’ to win an election, that’s why.

Immigration in Australia (particularly boat arrivals) are almost a non-issue. It’s such a small amount of people that the sound and fury that gets whipped up about it is almost funny.

The politicisation of this issue by both major parties is absolutely disgusting and has led to a lot of racism. A pox on both their houses. Although, lets face it, some people clearing don’t need much inciting.

Yeah boat arrivals are a non issue. Well except for the fact that quite a number of people have died making the extremely dangerous journey.

Something those extra empathetic and compassionate (usually lefty) supporters just love to ignore.

Oh, so that’s why Howard and his ilk were always ranting ‘we’ll decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come’, and why Ruddock compared boat people to terrrorists, and why Scott Morrisson is popularly known as the “minister for whipping up racist fears”, and why Siev X and all the other tragedies occurred. It isn’t dogwhistle politics t bogans in Western Sydney all. It’s actually because they really care about boat people.

It turns out that the whole thing is actually driven by compassion and a desire to help ones fellow man, rather than bigotry, distrust and fear.

Silly me.

Interestingly, the events which befell SIEV X have re-occurred 8 times since then, but the pro-fake-refugee mob don’t seem to be as upset about the 8 bots that have gone done under Labor’s waqtch as they are about the one they falsely accused the Libs of being responsible for.

These lefties are completely and utterly irrational on this issue.

Jim Jones said :

HenryBG said :

buzz819 said :

See that?

unlawful.

If they were not unlawful, there would be no cause or excuse for detaining them. They could avoid detention if they just chose to enter Australia lawfully instead of unlawfully.

That’s the most desperate example of clutching at straws I’ve seen for a while.

You’re so wrong that it hurts.

They enter unlawfully, they are put into detention. Very simple. You seem to be having trouble with it.

People falsely detained can sue the government. Like Vivienne Solon and Cornelia Rao which the pro-fake-refugee mob seem to get so excited about all the time.

So that’s 2 people who have sued the govenrment for illegally detaining them, and several tens of thousands detained but now happily living on benefits somewhere in a suburb in Australia.

Jim Jones 8:21 am 06 Jun 12

chewy14 said :

Jim Jones said :

Thumper said :

Although I agree that TPVs are the way to go, I fail to see how asking for asylum could in any way be seen as illegal?

Cause some populist arsehole politician started spouting nasty dogwhistling rhetoric about ‘illegal immigrants’ to win an election, that’s why.

Immigration in Australia (particularly boat arrivals) are almost a non-issue. It’s such a small amount of people that the sound and fury that gets whipped up about it is almost funny.

The politicisation of this issue by both major parties is absolutely disgusting and has led to a lot of racism. A pox on both their houses. Although, lets face it, some people clearing don’t need much inciting.

Yeah boat arrivals are a non issue. Well except for the fact that quite a number of people have died making the extremely dangerous journey.

Something those extra empathetic and compassionate (usually lefty) supporters just love to ignore.

Oh, so that’s why Howard and his ilk were always ranting ‘we’ll decide who comes to this country and the manner in which they come’, and why Ruddock compared boat people to terrrorists, and why Scott Morrisson is popularly known as the “minister for whipping up racist fears”, and why Siev X and all the other tragedies occurred. It isn’t dogwhistle politics t bogans in Western Sydney all. It’s actually because they really care about boat people.

It turns out that the whole thing is actually driven by compassion and a desire to help ones fellow man, rather than bigotry, distrust and fear.

Silly me.

chewy14 7:59 am 06 Jun 12

Jim Jones said :

Thumper said :

Although I agree that TPVs are the way to go, I fail to see how asking for asylum could in any way be seen as illegal?

Cause some populist arsehole politician started spouting nasty dogwhistling rhetoric about ‘illegal immigrants’ to win an election, that’s why.

Immigration in Australia (particularly boat arrivals) are almost a non-issue. It’s such a small amount of people that the sound and fury that gets whipped up about it is almost funny.

The politicisation of this issue by both major parties is absolutely disgusting and has led to a lot of racism. A pox on both their houses. Although, lets face it, some people clearing don’t need much inciting.

Yeah boat arrivals are a non issue. Well except for the fact that quite a number of people have died making the extremely dangerous journey.

Something those extra empathetic and compassionate (usually lefty) supporters just love to ignore.

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