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Theory v practice

By triffid 16 July 2010 26

I am sure most Rioters would be aware that, here in the ACT, we have the highest proportion of people with tertiary qualifications in Australia.  We also have the highest proportion of people with a post-graduate qualification in Australia.  One might reasonably assume, then, that there exists a collectively higher IQ in our fair land. 

This would likely explain, then, why so many highly intelligent people got into their grey / silver / black / dark red / dark blue motor vehicles this morning and drove to work — in the thick fog — with no lights on whatsoever. 

I know that you’re all magnificently intelligent and clever and stuff and that you can see, well, OK in conditions like that.  And I can also see that you’re so unbelieveably considerate and thoughtful of other road users.   I suppose, then, that in future you won’t mind if I (who can see satisfactorily to operate the vehicle safely as well yet who does have my lights on) fail to render you right-of-way, or merging space, or operate my vehicle without strict lane discipline, or neglects to give sufficent room when changing lanes, or any other courtesy normally offered to my fellow travellers simply because no-one else can see you.

It would seem that intelligence is no substitute for common sense.

T Y F L O . . . please.

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WonderfulWorld 9:47 pm 22 Jul 10

Obviously not, you assume that because you might be able to see someone that someone will be able to see you. By that logic, if there is street lights on the road your are on you could just drive around with no headlights.

Whatever, I’m refering to driving around during daylight with lights on during a fog.

bd84 11:46 pm 17 Jul 10

You can legally drive/ride with your normal headlights on at any time, I have no problems with motorcyclists riding with their normal headlight on and motoring groups recommend you drive with headlights on when driving on regional roads as other road users will see you from further away. Running lights (i.e. the LED strips) are also considered legal, they are the same as normal headlights.

Fog lights are high beam and by law are required to have a separate switch to turn them on/of. Cars fitted with them also normally have a warning light, similar to the one for high beams, on the instrument panel to tell the driver that they are on. By law they are only permitted to be used in fog or in heavy rain, and it is an offense to be using them at any other time.

No excuses for them to be incorrectly used, they do not make your car any better or look any better.

WonderfulWorld said :

WonderfulWorld said :

If I can see I don’t use any lights, if I can’t I don’t, generally if you can’t see they can’t see you, if you can see they should see you without lights – all this and no uni degree.

should read, if I can’t see I do – yup definately no uni degree. babom.

Obviously not, you assume that because you might be able to see someone that someone will be able to see you. By that logic, if there is street lights on the road your are on you could just drive around with no headlights.

They really need to change license tests to include education about the use of your headlights in night/dusk/overcast/raining/foggy conditions, it’s clear that people don’t have any sort of common sense.

WonderfulWorld 7:48 pm 17 Jul 10

WonderfulWorld said :

If I can see I don’t use any lights, if I can’t I don’t, generally if you can’t see they can’t see you, if you can see they should see you without lights – all this and no uni degree.

should read, if I can’t see I do – yup definately no uni degree. babom.

WonderfulWorld 7:46 pm 17 Jul 10

If I can see I don’t use any lights, if I can’t I don’t, generally if you can’t see they can’t see you, if you can see they should see you without lights – all this and no uni degree.

p1 3:26 pm 17 Jul 10

Wraith said :

So how do feel about Motorbikes then? Higher light, permanently on, and bright, and if we are talking about practical purposes, then there is a difference, fog lights are directional to the front for more light in poor conditions, which “dazzle” people, driving lights have a more spread beam of light for the sides of the roads. Driving lights are smaller and not as powerful as headlights.

Mmmm, where to start.

Motorbikes are fitted with low and high beam, just like cars. Low beam (on cars and bikes), in addition to being dimmer, are specifically aimed low. So it can light up the road a reasonable distance in front, but still not go in the window of a car ahead of you.

Fog lights are usually both dimmer and aimed lower then driving lights. There are supposed to help with visibility in fog, and as such brighter lights would be a disadvantage, hence why you don’t use your high beams in fog.

Driving lights, which can be either wide beams or spotlights, are designed to supplement the cars legally required headlights. Legally, they should be wired such that they only come on with the high beam (otherwise they are considered fog lights). If you are in a situation where your low beams are not providing sufficient lighting for the speed you are going, then slow down.

In closing, not all people without a degree are idiots, but some are.

Pork Hunt 1:33 pm 17 Jul 10

Thank you bd84,scoot and 54-11. We rest our case..

Wraith, the law about bike lights was canned years ago although some manufacturers seem to persist. My 2002 Triumph HAS a headlight switch for instance..

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