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Things we haven’t been talking much about in Election 2012

By johnboy - 4 October 2012 47

There are piles of election guff blowing about that we’re not really bothering to pass on to you guys because it’s very dull, mostly inconsequential, and we’re all a bit sick of it. But here’s a quick rundown with the most honest answers you’re likely to see and those who care can knock themselves out in the comments.

    — Should the Liberals give their costings to Treasury? Probably

    — Will someone in Treasury corruptly hand over information to their mates in the Labor party? Probably

    — Does this justify the Liberals dragging the chain? Maybe

    — Will rates triple? Over a long enough timeframe, yes, over not dis-similar timeframes we’re all dead.

    — Will your income grow fast enough to pay for the increasing rates without messing with your life? For some of you yes, for others no.

    — Could Labor have done any of the plethora of things they’re promising over the preceding decade+ of Government? They really should have.

    — Could the machinery of ACT Government function more efficiently? It is hard to believe improvements could not be made (the Actew patronage machinery is particularly troubling, but all parties seem to rather like the idea)

OK, those who care feel free to vent.

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Things we haven’t been talking much about in Election 2012
johnboy 2:22 pm 04 Oct 12

Collussii

rosscoact 2:19 pm 04 Oct 12

p1 said :

That last one should have looked like this….

rosscoact said :

Are you suggesting that we have a council to run municipal functions as well as a Territory government to run state functions?

When ever people make the ol’ “What we should have is a properly run town council” comment (happens a lot ’round here), I think what they mean is – we already do have both a “State Government” and a “Town Council”. They exist in the form of a single entity known as the ACT Legislative Assembly.

They question is – why does the “Town Council” part always seem to be unable to compete with the “Town Councils” of lots of small and medium sized localities comparable with Canberra?

I think because municipal functions are not ‘sexy’ to politicians or bureaucrats. They wish to stride like Colossus (not sure what the plural of Colossus is) on the big stage thinking about big things.

As my dear old dad used to say, stuff the big picture just get stuff done.

LSWCHP 1:38 pm 04 Oct 12

p1 said :

That last one should have looked like this….

rosscoact said :

Are you suggesting that we have a council to run municipal functions as well as a Territory government to run state functions?

When ever people make the ol’ “What we should have is a properly run town council” comment (happens a lot ’round here), I think what they mean is – we already do have both a “State Government” and a “Town Council”. They exist in the form of a single entity known as the ACT Legislative Assembly.

They question is – why does the “Town Council” part always seem to be unable to compete with the “Town Councils” of lots of small and medium sized localities comparable with Canberra?

That’s correct. But the state government aspect doesn’t seem to operate all that well either. The health system has been plagued by scandal over the last year. We have more kids in private schools than in our public schools. And nobody is reeling in horror at JB’s suggestion of probable corruption in the ACT public service in point 2 above.

Meanwhile we get policy devoted to shopping bags and shopping trolleys.

My point is that the current implementation of adversarial politics in the ACT is not serving us well. We would be better served by the government paying more attention to the administration and delivery of services, with an effective opposition maintaining a careful scrutiny over the process.

Pirate_Biggles 1:32 pm 04 Oct 12

NoImRight said :

If the service less than the cost of hiring a trailer sounds like its a good idea.

Sorry, that should have been ‘Not less’. Hiring a trailer is the cheaper option.

Stuart Biggs
Pirate Party ACT

NoImRight 1:05 pm 04 Oct 12

Pirate_Biggles said :

On the last point, I find it astounding that Canberra cannot seem to implement a ‘hard rubbish’ day without charging for individual collections.
These are the details of the available trial:
http://www.tams.act.gov.au/live/recycling-waste/options/bulky_waste_collection_service
Unfortunately, the cost for this service is less than the cost of hiring a trailer and dumping the goods yourself with the help of a couple of friends.

The service would only be used by a particular household once every few months with individual collection charges, so the very point of it being a trial of a regular service is negated.
Both large cities and small towns can manage this service, why can’t the ACT?

Stuart Biggs
Pirate Party ACT

If the service less than the cost of hiring a trailer sounds like its a good idea.

p1 12:51 pm 04 Oct 12

That last one should have looked like this….

rosscoact said :

Are you suggesting that we have a council to run municipal functions as well as a Territory government to run state functions?

When ever people make the ol’ “What we should have is a properly run town council” comment (happens a lot ’round here), I think what they mean is – we already do have both a “State Government” and a “Town Council”. They exist in the form of a single entity known as the ACT Legislative Assembly.

They question is – why does the “Town Council” part always seem to be unable to compete with the “Town Councils” of lots of small and medium sized localities comparable with Canberra?

rosscoact 11:54 am 04 Oct 12

LSWCHP said :

Nicely put JB.

What we should have is a properly run town council. What we have is a bunch of boofheads who think they’re on centre stage at the United Nations.

I’d like to see an end to all of the amateur hour student politics, name calling and waste of time and money. I would like to see that nonsense replaced by some efficient and professional administration that delivers the services the community needs with minimum expenditure and maximum benefit to the community.

The participants in this shambles appear to believe that they have the citizens of Canberra onside. I wonder if that’s what they really believe, or are they cynically taking us for mugs while they smilingly cruise along in their highly paid jobs, producing lots of sound and fury that signify nothing.

Are you suggesting that we have a council to run municipal functions as well as a Territory government to run state functions? Seems a bit excessive for this little place.

If you’re suggesting a council instead of a Territory government, which State’s health, emergency services and education systems should we use? Given we will have to pay them taxes without being able to vote for them, I’d also be interested in which State will provide us with our policies too?

pepmeup 11:42 am 04 Oct 12

for a real un biased look at what is happening to your rates, the act revenue office has calculators so you can calculate this years and last years rates for your property, all you need is you acv you can work this out off allhome if you dont know it

act revenue office:
http://www.revenue.act.gov.au/rates/rates_calculation

Pirate_Biggles 11:21 am 04 Oct 12

On the last point, I find it astounding that Canberra cannot seem to implement a ‘hard rubbish’ day without charging for individual collections.
These are the details of the available trial:
http://www.tams.act.gov.au/live/recycling-waste/options/bulky_waste_collection_service
Unfortunately, the cost for this service is less than the cost of hiring a trailer and dumping the goods yourself with the help of a couple of friends.

The service would only be used by a particular household once every few months with individual collection charges, so the very point of it being a trial of a regular service is negated.
Both large cities and small towns can manage this service, why can’t the ACT?

Stuart Biggs
Pirate Party ACT

Duffbowl 11:03 am 04 Oct 12

LSWCHP said :

Nicely put JB.

What we should have is a properly run town council. What we have is a bunch of boofheads who think they’re on centre stage at the United Nations.

I’d like to see an end to all of the amateur hour student politics, name calling and waste of time and money. I would like to see that nonsense replaced by some efficient and professional administration that delivers the services the community needs with minimum expenditure and maximum benefit to the community.

The participants in this shambles appear to believe that they have the citizens of Canberra onside. I wonder if that’s what they really believe, or are they cynically taking us for mugs while they smilingly cruise along in their highly paid jobs, producing lots of sound and fury that signify nothing.

Unfortunately, party politics is seeping down in to councils at a greater rate, looking over the border at NSW. Hoping for a trickle up to our Mediocracy may be a little late.

LSWCHP 10:36 am 04 Oct 12

Nicely put JB.

What we should have is a properly run town council. What we have is a bunch of boofheads who think they’re on centre stage at the United Nations.

I’d like to see an end to all of the amateur hour student politics, name calling and waste of time and money. I would like to see that nonsense replaced by some efficient and professional administration that delivers the services the community needs with minimum expenditure and maximum benefit to the community.

The participants in this shambles appear to believe that they have the citizens of Canberra onside. I wonder if that’s what they really believe, or are they cynically taking us for mugs while they smilingly cruise along in their highly paid jobs, producing lots of sound and fury that signify nothing.

PantsMan 10:05 am 04 Oct 12

– Will someone in Treasury corruptly hand over information to their mates in the Labor party? Probably

+1

Mysteryman 9:20 am 04 Oct 12

Thumper said :

Point 6.

+1.

“If we’re elected, we’ll do things we should have done during any one of the previous 3 terms but didn’t”.

Yeah, sure you will.

Thumper 9:11 am 04 Oct 12

Point 6.

colourful sydney rac 8:28 am 04 Oct 12

I think that the Liberals have fallen short with the Labor and the Greens will triple your rates, they should have run with

‘Vote Labor and you and everyone you care about will die’*

*eventually

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