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Things we haven’t been talking much about in Election 2012

By johnboy - 4 October 2012 47

There are piles of election guff blowing about that we’re not really bothering to pass on to you guys because it’s very dull, mostly inconsequential, and we’re all a bit sick of it. But here’s a quick rundown with the most honest answers you’re likely to see and those who care can knock themselves out in the comments.

    — Should the Liberals give their costings to Treasury? Probably

    — Will someone in Treasury corruptly hand over information to their mates in the Labor party? Probably

    — Does this justify the Liberals dragging the chain? Maybe

    — Will rates triple? Over a long enough timeframe, yes, over not dis-similar timeframes we’re all dead.

    — Will your income grow fast enough to pay for the increasing rates without messing with your life? For some of you yes, for others no.

    — Could Labor have done any of the plethora of things they’re promising over the preceding decade+ of Government? They really should have.

    — Could the machinery of ACT Government function more efficiently? It is hard to believe improvements could not be made (the Actew patronage machinery is particularly troubling, but all parties seem to rather like the idea)

OK, those who care feel free to vent.

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Matt_Watts 3:10 pm 05 Oct 12

Mothy said :

Matt_Watts said :

Alright – so if I were to ask Al how he’d vote regarding the censure of the CM in her capacity as Health Minister, not for falsifying the data herself, but for refusing to investigate who the other data fraudsters were (following on from the Auditor-General’s finding), would that be a matter accountability or negativity?

I’d instead ask what the purpose of a censure motion is. Attention has already been drawn to the issue. Move on to the next thing.

Matt_Watts said :

As for the rates business….

Tell me why continuing to depend on stamp duty makes sense?

I’ve been open with the fact I do see benefits to the change, because the stream of income for the ACT government would be easier to predict and removing stamp duty would remove a barrier for empty nesters to downsize if they wish.

As I’ve said before, though, it’s an issue of fairness. People who own homes have already paid their stamp duty, and the intended replacement policy is that they’ll be paying that amount again every four years or so. Also, it’s going to force those on fixed incomes such as pensioners to downsize, whether they want to or not. Finally, a positive for the current policy under the banner of fairness is that it is a progressive tax ie those who purchase more houses (either as investments or in an upwardly mobile fashion) pay more tax than those who simply choose to pay off one family home.

Mothy 2:34 pm 05 Oct 12

Matt_Watts said :

Alright – so if I were to ask Al how he’d vote regarding the censure of the CM in her capacity as Health Minister, not for falsifying the data herself, but for refusing to investigate who the other data fraudsters were (following on from the Auditor-General’s finding), would that be a matter accountability or negativity?

I’d instead ask what the purpose of a censure motion is. Attention has already been drawn to the issue. Move on to the next thing.

Matt_Watts said :

As for the rates business….

Tell me why continuing to depend on stamp duty makes sense?

pirate_taco 10:30 am 05 Oct 12

Gungahlin Al said :

People have had a gutful of the constant adversarial negativity that has typified the last four years of our Assembly. How can the Liberals expect anyone to take them seriously on something important when they are always complaining about absolutely every single thing? Boy cried wolf… The Council I was part of was free of party politics and every decision was made on its merits. The voting numbers changed constantly depending on the issue. It’s a better way of doing government. I know a lot of people questioned why then I joined in with the Greens – well this is how the Greens go about all their business – even down to ordinary meetings and debates, making it a very large part of the reason why. And I agree with the underlying policy platform.

The adversarial negativity is part of a broader trend of partisan politics in Australia, as we see by the school yard bullying and name calling that happens regularly in the House of Representatives.

Pirate Party Australia has a long term goal of revolutionizing the political process to foster participative democracy, at least within its own decision making process see http://pirateparty.org.au/wiki/Polly

If any of our candidates (Mark Gibbons, Stuart Biggs or myself) are elected to the Legislative Assembly, we will vote for or against each proposal on its merits.

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

Matt_Watts 10:14 am 05 Oct 12

Mothy said :

Gungahlin Al said :

People have had a gutful of the constant adversarial negativity that has typified the last four years of our Assembly. How can the Liberals expect anyone to take them seriously on something important when they are always complaining about absolutely every single thing? Boy cried wolf… The Council I was part of was free of party politics and every decision was made on its merits. The voting numbers changed constantly depending on the issue. It’s a better way of doing government. I know a lot of people questioned why then I joined in with the Greens – well this is how the Greens go about all their business – even down to ordinary meetings and debates, making it a very large part of the reason why. And I agree with the underlying policy platform.

And there, as though your work on the GCC were not reason enough already, is why you have my vote. Balance of Power politics.

Alright – so if I were to ask Al how he’d vote regarding the censure of the CM in her capacity as Health Minister, not for falsifying the data herself, but for refusing to investigate who the other data fraudsters were (following on from the Auditor-General’s finding), would that be a matter accountability or negativity?

As for the rates business, all I can do is refer to what Barr said in the assembly; I didn’t refer to the Quinlan review, but he did. Other than that, the only response from Labor and the Greens is “trust us”.

It may appear negative, but accountability has a role in politics (which is why I’m happy to post here). For all I know, the only reason the govt is claiming twenty years (as a policy, mind you) is precisely as a result of the Liberals’ campaign.

pirate_taco 10:12 am 05 Oct 12

I support the Labor policy of phasing out stamp duty. This policy is about a decade overdue and if it had of been introduced earlier there would be less pain involved in the transition, however I do think the transition period is long enough to ensure a smooth transition. Over 20 years rates will have likely tripled without this anyway. What were your rates 20 years ago like?

Canberra needs a steady income stream, and relying on the fluctuations of the property market is shortsighted, and unfairly taxes those whose circumstances require them to sell and re-buy in another location for whatever reason, be it a relationship breakdown, to move closer to work, or get more space to raise children.
It will also make it easier for low income families to buy their own homes without the need for government intervention via the home buyer concession scheme to subsidize stamp duty.

The stamp duty on an average value house today (using figures from a random Belconnen property on allhomes worth $495k) is $17,813 and the yearly rates bill $1338.
Is it fair to make someone moving home pay over 13 years worth of rates up front?

On the topic of hard rubbish collection, as my colleague Stuart Biggs raised earlier in this thread, many small councils can do this cost effectively, why can’t we?

Glen Takkenberg
Pirate Party ACT for Ginninderra

Mothy 9:55 am 05 Oct 12

Gungahlin Al said :

People have had a gutful of the constant adversarial negativity that has typified the last four years of our Assembly. How can the Liberals expect anyone to take them seriously on something important when they are always complaining about absolutely every single thing? Boy cried wolf… The Council I was part of was free of party politics and every decision was made on its merits. The voting numbers changed constantly depending on the issue. It’s a better way of doing government. I know a lot of people questioned why then I joined in with the Greens – well this is how the Greens go about all their business – even down to ordinary meetings and debates, making it a very large part of the reason why. And I agree with the underlying policy platform.

And there, as though your work on the GCC were not reason enough already, is why you have my vote. Balance of Power politics.

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