1 April 2009

Thomas Sorahan not guilty of Ferret Torture

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The ABC is reporting that Thomas Sorahan’s conviction for ferret torture has been set aside.

    Thomas Sorahan, 26, was charged with committing a serious act of animal cruelty intending to inflict serious pain.

    The owner of the ferrets who lived with Sorahan found pictures and a video of his pets on his housemate’s camera.

    The vision showed one of his pets being injected with a substance, thought to be a drug.

A decision on Adriano Larobina will be published in the next few days.

UPDATE: The Canberra Times has more on this.

FURTHER UPDATE: Tom has left this message for you all:

    #13 posted by Tom Sorah
    (Newbie)
    10:34, 1 Apr 2009

    I would welcome the opportunity to meet up for a chat with any of you peices of s***. My phone number is 0415 636 483. If you read the paper you shall read that the conviction was overturned. And i couldn’t care less what you retards write on this rubbish forum, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the circumstances and i hope it pisses you off.

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Tom Sorah said :

I would welcome the opportunity to meet up for a chat with any of you peices of s***. My phone number is 0415 636 483. If you read the paper you shall read that the conviction was overturned. And i couldn’t care less what you retards write on this rubbish forum, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the circumstances and i hope it pisses you off.

Did anyone call ?

Anyone at all?? Particularly the tuff talkers at the top of this forum that said they were going to. Would love to hear how it all went.

Tom Sorah said :

I would welcome the opportunity to meet up for a chat with any of you peices of s***. My phone number is 0415 636 483. If you read the paper you shall read that the conviction was overturned. And i couldn’t care less what you retards write on this rubbish forum, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the circumstances and i hope it pisses you off.

Did anyone call ?

ha _ I know who you are now fox! Thanks for your support. I am really really worried about precedence as well, which is why we will keep fighting! Again, thanks for your support – we all really appreciate it. Ferrety hugs and kisses from us!

Sepi – Thomas Sorahan lived with Andrew (the owner of the ferrets) in Andrew’s home. Adriano Larobina (Arno) did not live with Andrew. The three of them all knew each other before this happened.

Tom and Andrew were definitely friends. I’m not sure about Arno and Andrew being friends. Arno was very intimidating when I first met him and I chose to stay out of his way.

Can anyone tell me if the animal torturers were friends of the ferret owner, or just housemates? I’ve been wondering for a while – how could you do this to a friend’s pets?

prhhcd – I know who you are! =] We’ve actually met a couple of times! Put it this way…I attended many playdates with Andrew, Trigger and Cooch and remember exactly how Trig and Harvey first met (love at first sight across the hall in Tuggeranong lol).

My heart honestly goes out to you and the other members of the Ferret Society who sat through the trial and supported Andrew through the whole, horrible ordeal. I sincerely hope that Arno’s case is not overturned as Tom’s has been, and that in time we can all find some sort of peace with what has happened.

My opinion on both Tom and Arno is my own, and I despite my anger at the situation I’m choosing to keep that opinion to myself.

What does worry me is what could potentially happen in the future. I hope that this case doesn’t set a precedence that sees other cruelty cases end up being heard with what (I believe) ended up being a degree of indifference to what two small animals went through.

fox – I don’t know who you are, but I am also a friend of Andrew’s and your description of the boys is so true! Thank you! I fostered Cooch for the Ferret Society of Canberra and he was the the sweetest little thing, Trigger was a brother to my boy Harvey, and they loved each other so much. These were wonderful WONDERFUL animals. I (and everyone else who has had anything to do with these boys and this case) will never forget. AS for me, back to the psychologist for treatment for post traumatic stress disorder following this case.
I am not a spiteful person generally, but I HATE these men. They are the scum of the earth, and yes, I would be interested to know what bikie gangs think.
We will fight for you Trigger and Cooch!

The Brad said :

So, not guilty means not guilty without any doubt at all.

I worded that badly.
Guiltly means guilty without any doubt whatsoever.
Legal not-guilty doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, but there was probably a reasonable doubt raised.

Innocent is the default. Hence, Innocent until proven guilty.

Even though the two are opposites, there is never a need to prove innocence, just 1% doubt on the guilt, and they are free.
So, not guilty means not guilty without any doubt at all.
Well, that’s what I recall from Jury Duty.

Not related to the case mentioned in the OT, but a relevant question noting subsequent posts:

I’ve just finished reading a True Crime book about a number of high-profile Australian cases. At the end of one story where a killer has been found not-guilty on some technicality a journo askes the Chief Prosecuter why the guy was found to be innocent. The journo says the Prosecutor replied “he wasn’t found to be innocent, he was found to be’not-guilty”.e

I’m no lawyer but is there a distinction?

Preferably without discriminating against those of us with low economic circumstances due to unemployment, who may not currently be able to afford an investment in the purchase of court documents with three children to feed.

Isn’t justice not only to be done, it’s to be seen to be done? If there are so many people puzzled by the court’s decision it would be nice if they could explain why they decided to un-guilt the guy.

In the Statement of Availability is this:

The District Court commenced publishing judgments via NSW Caselaw in September 2006. The decision to publish is at the discretion of each individual judge. If a judgment has not been published and you wish to find out if it will become available on NSW Caselaw, please contact the appropriate District Court registry.

It sounds like you’d be able to ask to see the stuff that was presented in open court, the procedures are here.

Why wouldn’t it be published on the Caselaw site?

Sadly it looks like the decision might not be published on the Caselaw site. Someone might have to stump up to buy the court transcripts if they really want to know.

I don’t think it’s correct to say that judges aren’t accountable. Their decisions are generally made in open court which anyone can attend; their decisions must be supported by reasoning which is read into the record; and their decisions are subject to review / appeal.

Evidence is for bleeding heart lefties.

Of course we know more than the judge.

The law(yer) cares, especially if you may actually be reckless about any impact your comments may be having on a man who has been retconned back to being innocent.

As a basic rule: Don’t say anything you can’t afford.

I have not supported any calls for violence of any kind.

I can’t watch movies with anything higher than an M rating. I am sickened by capital punishment and corporal punishment.

I have spent hours arguing against violence or inhumane conditions for prisoners on this very forum.

I’m not waving my placard at the back of a lynch mob. I’m waving it at the gates of city hall. I’m not shouting support for lynching. I’m shouting for the system to more closely approximate justice for victims of crime.

If you can’t see that you don’t know me at all.

Having said that, you are right that it is unwise to make these comments in an emotionally charged atmosphere and I do accept that and agree.

I just feel like you’re saying I’m something I’m not, and that isn’t comfortable for me. It doesn’t sit right. It’s just not who I am.

This site does not exist outside of the rest of the laws of Australia.

And all I’m seeing here is whingeing about the referee’s decision with NO KNOWLEDGE of why the decision was made.

The facts have changed, Sorahan is no longer convicted of this crime.

Have a care and act like adults.

Muttsybignuts9:23 am 02 Apr 09

I thought this site existed so that Canberrans could give their 2 cents. Who cares if it is wrong or right. If people don’t agree then they say so. That is the idea.
Opinions are like arse holes. Everyone has one and everyone else’s stinks.
Personally, I enjoy making comments in ignorance and then having someone else set me straight. It is a learning experience.

Please don’t moderate me!

In that case I suggest you think very carefully indeed about the impact of your comments, made in complete ignorance, about a judicial decision when others are emotionally charged.

You’ve gone and stood at the back of the mob waving a placard and shouting support. Don’t blame me for that.

Since I have not advocated any form of death or punishment I am exceedingly offended at the lynch mob comment. It is not even accurate per the definition.

I understand that you do not wish me to comment on the decision and I will refrain from doing so, but unless you can tell me how I am proposing to have someone lynched don’t accuse me of it.

Whilst I have expressed an opinion about my personal belief in innocence or guilt, which I will not do again, I have only advocated making it easier for people to pursue existing legal avenues for dealing with complaints. I have not advocated any punishment for the individual concerned, nor for the judge.

I am not a lynching person. It’s not ok to call me one. It’s reallly not.

I don’t want to remove comments I want supposed adults to engage their brains before they make comments.

No seriously the lynch mob, that includes you granny, need to pull your heads in or we won’t be able to publish your comments any more.

Get a sense of proportion, and get a sense of responsibility.

And wait for the damn decision before commenting on it.

Dangerous ground Thumper.

Wait until we can read the decision.

#51 – Clown Killer, I think I love you.

You know what Mutley, it was obviously the owner who was a fool for leaping to such a ridiculous conclusion. Well, I guess he’s been told.

How am I lynching anyone? Is some judge going to faint and expire if his judgment is critiqued by others?

In my first sentence I was agreeing with caf at #49 and clown killer at #54. I also disagree with the comments you have made regarding thinking someone a fool on a decision they have made without any information as to what evidence (or lack thereof) led them to make that decision.

My second sentence is aimed primarily at the “torture them and see how they like it” comments further up. I didn’t make that clear and I apologise.

The charges were dropped because some clever lawyer managed to make enough of a case for “circumstantial evidence”, that is, a phalanx of people didn’t actually SEE them do the deed. So, provided you can ensure your crimes aren’t seen by eyes that can then testify, even though it is filmed on your own damn phone camera, you’ll get off.
Hide the bodies so they can’t find traces of you on them (they never found the ferrets, poor little buggers), that’s important.

The law is currently skewed so far in favour of the criminals, it’s incomprehensible. In the hermetically sealed court, the laywer made his case. Well, he can print a transcript of it here, and I bet that no one will be swayed.

I hate to think what the chap who owned the ferrets is going through. Imagine it. Creatures you loved were tortured to death, and even the killers being punished isn’t going to erase that. But now it seems even that isn’t going to happen.

Every day he’s wondering, what happened to them? maybe it was quick, maybe they didn’t suffer too much. But maybe they did, wondering all the while why those who fed them and loved them now tortured them. That poor bloke will be going over this for years, like anyone whose loved ones are taken violently, and the legal system has, yet again, failed.

I have been one of the people not calling for lynching, Mutley. However, I find it equally disturbing that a group of people entrusted with dispensing ‘justice’ can be so unaccountable for their actions.

Whilst I love a good lynching, I agree with Caf and Clown Killer. I find it disturbing that people would fly so completely off the handle without knowing any of the details of why the charges were dropped.

Cooch and Trigger deserved better.

And I am thankful for that.

However this is my opinion of that particular decision. My opinions are not set in stone. What evidence do you need for a conviction?

Scenario. I get home from a shopping expedition and notice my fish have disappeared from the fishtank.

Well, where the hell could they have gotten to?

I see Quackers’ camera lying on the table and out of curiosity I have a bit of a snoop. When I discover a video of a small, chubby hand tipping Handy Andy into the fish tank while a familiar preschool voice says, ‘Don’t worry fishies. This should get it cleaneded in no time,’ I am a tad suspicious. The four-year-old is obviously not the camera person.

I don’t know the precise whereabouts of said fish. Were they flushed down the toilet? I will probably never know.

Nevertheless, I am not about to believe that either Quackers or Minnie are innocent of the disappearance of my fish. They can plead not guilty till they’re blue in the face. They can tell it to the marines.

If a judge wants to tell me I’m wrong, so be it. I don’t have to agree with him, and will think him a fool.

I was referring to this comment of yours:

I reckon this one gets a five rotten egg rating.

…which doesn’t bode well for this new project.

Also, keep this in mind: we put up with a few guilty people going free, as the price we pay to avoid locking up too many innocents. Numbering ourselves among the innocent, you and I should be thankful for that.

Clown Killer10:37 pm 01 Apr 09

Granny, the courts and the judges are obliged to work with what they have in front of them. Whilst we lay-folk might be pretty sure that this little sh!tstain is guilty, there’s little a judge can do when the prosecutors only muster a half-arsed case. Defence counsel are only doing their job and if the police and DPP make that job a walk in the park then it’s you and me as tax payers that are being ripped off. Blaming judges is easy because they’re not the ones presenting half-arsed evidence. It’s a sad reality that if a criminal walks away in the ACT it’s because of a weak prosecution case rather than a lax judge.

I will probably also link to relevant news articles and discussions such as these.

Caf, it won’t be me judging.

I will be linking to the judgments and allowing people to post reviews and ratings of them.

If there are issues whereby legislative changes are needed it will allow those to be advocated for. It will also empower people to complain in cases where they feel there has been a miscarriage of justice.

I think people are tired of feeling powerless in the face of the judiciary.

I think they should be accountable to the community, and I don’t believe they are.

If you have alternative suggestions for achieving the same aim I would be happy to hear them, and I mean that sincerely.

Clown Killer10:01 pm 01 Apr 09

I would welcome the opportunity to meet up for a chat with any of you peices of s***. My phone number is 0415 636 483. If you read the paper you shall read that the conviction was overturned. And i couldn’t care less what you retards write on this rubbish forum, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the circumstances and i hope it pisses you off.

Great work you mankey little jumped up dog jockey. Here’s something to think about: If you ever manage to get a job in real estate in Canberra or Queanbeyan again I will promise to arrange for someone to find you at open houses and hand out flyers explicitly detailing the charges initially brought against you so that anyone coming to view the property you’re trying to sell will be able to draw their own conclusions about what sort of person you really are – they’ll be the ones standing on the public foot path outside every open house you’re at, just having a friendly chat with the people who come by.

Tom Sorah said :

I would welcome the opportunity to meet up for a chat with any of you peices of s***. My phone number is 0415 636 483. If you read the paper you shall read that the conviction was overturned. And i couldn’t care less what you retards write on this rubbish forum, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the circumstances and i hope it pisses you off.

Nice work buddy.

Enjoy driving your $2000 car.

Granny: Why don’t you wait until the judgement is available to read before you go ..er .. judging yourself? I don’t see how your criticism can be taken seriously if you’re going to base it on nothing more than news reports.

How is the whole being-on-the-dole-cause-you’re-unemployable-trash working out for ya Tommy?

VYBerlinaV8_the_one_they_all_copy8:25 pm 01 Apr 09

I would welcome the opportunity to meet up for a chat with any of you peices of s***.

With your attitude and history, I have little doubt you will meet someone who will shut your big mouth for you.

Who you are, where you worked, and even where your parents live is all easily googled.

willo said :

……karma is a wonderful thing…..

As are the White Pages…….

Tom Sorah said :

I would welcome the opportunity to meet up for a chat with any of you peices of s***. My phone number is 0415 636 483. If you read the paper you shall read that the conviction was overturned. And i couldn’t care less what you retards write on this rubbish forum, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the circumstances and i hope it pisses you off.

so…..you are a hero as well as a tool??…..you will get yours ya clown……karma is a wonderful thing…..

I reckon this one gets a five rotten egg rating.

Good. It’s getting ridiculous. We have the ACT on a daily basis tacitly encouraging criminals. Now the NSW legal system is failing… I get it was some fancy lawyer footwork and a fine point of law and I BET that “circumstantial evidence” got a run.

Then you’ve got WA, supposedly a redneck state, and yet look at the slap on the wrist given to the people who killed that man who was playing beach cricket with his family at Christmas.

It’s gone too far. The law needs to be overhauled, judges need to be mindful of public expectations and balance that with the law, evidencial wriggle-room needs to be tightened up, and proper penalties must be applied.

Ultimately, these judges need to ask themselves, before they let someone off, would they be happy having this person live next door to them and their families?

Go, Granny! Great idea. This one is definitely rotten.

You’re right, ant.

It is wrong.

I have decided to do something about it.

We might not be able to control the decisions made, but we can lobby parliamentarians to tighten up what can be tightened up from their end.

We can also complain about judicial decisions.

I am going to put together a website to facilitate advocacy on this and encourage community comment. It might end up being something like Rotten Tomatoes for rating judgments and writing reviews. I might even call it Rotten Eggs.

If we can’t sack the judges we can at least become a thorn in the side of an Attorney General. Perhaps they’ll think twice about those consequences when considering future judicial appointments.

Reading Fox’s description of how the ferrets behaved, I’m angry all over again – furious and sickened – at what those evil monsters did to them. Animals have no rights, it seems. They can suffer agony from people they trusted and it doesn’t matter a damn. What the hell is wrong with our society, and our legal system? This is just wrong.

The people who committed this disgusting crime NEED to be locked up, away from people. Away from animals, away from anything they can torture.

They’re not just cowards, they’re sick and evil and twisted. Coming soon to a suburb, a workplace, a bus, near you.

Cowards think. Cowards have brains.

Anyone who hurts a creature who can’t defend themselves is a psychopath; lacking in empathy and/or remorse.

weeziepops said :

I saw the evidence and know what you did to those innocent creatures. You are guilty. You are a bully. You are a coward.

+1

You are a coward.

Karma is a bitch.

And now with the internet it can bite anywhere, anytime.

Yeah, I wonder if someone find out where Tom’s Commodore is situated, and one night, under the stealth of darkness, reduced the value from $2000 to $0, would the Karma police turn a blind eye.

I wonder what the Rebels think of animal murderers. I’d hope their opinion is the same as child abusers.

Just wondering.

This must be a terrible time for Cooch and Trigger’s owner. I hope he’s doing ok under the circumstances.

That’s really adorable, fox. I’m glad they knew such happy times and received so much love in life. Thanks for sharing about the two little guys.

: )

Picture of tortured ferret Cooch’s sister Jules here. Apparently they were a lot alike in looks and temperament.

Cooch and Jules were very similar in appearance, but Cooch had a bit of a weight problem when he was adopted by Andrew. Cooch was encouraged to run around every day to help work off his excess flab. It was the most adorable sight to see him scuttle across the floor, dooking with happiness with every little step he took. Cooch loved cuddles and would follow you around everywhere you went =]

Trigger was a mischeivous little man who would jump out and surprise the living daylights out of you, before running off with what was most certainly a sense of satisfaction at a “job well done”. He would tear around the place at lightning speed and steal anything that was shiny or smelt like chicken! He absolutely adored his owner and would regularly fall asleep on his chest while they were watching TV.

As much as I hate thinking about what happened to them, it still brings a smile to my face remembering how happy they made their owner. Ferrets seem to have a bad reputation to those who haven’t met or owned one, so I only hope that my short descriptions of Trigger and Cooch can put a sunnier side on people’s ideas on ferrets.

Timberwolf653:39 pm 01 Apr 09

Madame Workalot said :

Timberwolf65 said :

Not only does he abuse and tortures animal, but it looks like he also abuses and tortures cars as well as it states in the car add…

Mechanicly in good condition. There are some dints and scratches to the body but runs really well.

And he cannot spell…what a looser!

Err, sorry Timberwolf:

Car add = car ad (short for advertisement)
Looser = loser

But I agree, he is a loser and one can only hope that after his prison time (if he did any at all?) he is a bit looser.

🙂

Absolutely cracking up here laughing at the moment, cannot believe the spelling mistakes I made, was in a bit of a rush typing that post. HEE HEE HEE.

‘The owner of the ferrets who lived with Sorahan found pictures and a video of his pets on his housemate’s camera.

‘The vision showed one of his pets being injected with a substance thought to be a drug.’

Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/27/2402617.htm

What kind of mate would allow his phone to be used to video his mate’s pets, who later disappeared, being injected with any substance?

Nice guy. Obviously innocent.

Picture of tortured ferret Cooch’s sister Jules here. Apparently they were a lot alike in looks and temperament.

As ant says, obviously unrepentant. What evidence do you need when a recording of the crime on the person’s phone isn’t enough?

Perhaps the ferret had it coming? A drug deal gone wrong? A love triangle?

Grrrr said :

Johnboy and others: What makes you so sure comment 13 was from the Mr Sorahan (who, strangely enough, I have met briefly in person) – rather than someone who isn’t happy with the conviction being set aside and wants to see him suffer more?

Not defending anyone, but it does look like assumptions have been made here.

Firstly, this userid announced the decision before the media caught up with the story the next day.

Secondly, I have checked it out.

Johnboy and others: What makes you so sure comment 13 was from the Mr Sorahan (who, strangely enough, I have met briefly in person) – rather than someone who isn’t happy with the conviction being set aside and wants to see him suffer more?

Not defending anyone, but it does look like assumptions have been made here.

this bloke is gone

Without yet having seen why the conviction was set aside ie rolled, it’s incredibly disappointing that despite so much evidence, and it being such a horrific crime, he can still walk away free.

And as you can see, he’s obviously learned from this and is contrite. NOT.

Madame Workalot12:08 pm 01 Apr 09

Timberwolf65 said :

Not only does he abuse and tortures animal, but it looks like he also abuses and tortures cars as well as it states in the car add…

Mechanicly in good condition. There are some dints and scratches to the body but runs really well.

And he cannot spell…what a looser!

Err, sorry Timberwolf:

Car add = car ad (short for advertisement)
Looser = loser

But I agree, he is a loser and one can only hope that after his prison time (if he did any at all?) he is a bit looser.

🙂

Timberwolf6511:58 am 01 Apr 09

Not only does he abuse and tortures animal, but it looks like he also abuses and tortures cars as well as it states in the car add…

Mechanicly in good condition. There are some dints and scratches to the body but runs really well.

And he cannot spell…what a looser!

Madame Workalot said :

Um, probably a stupid question but has anyone tried to call the number to make sure it is actually him, and not just someone he doesn’t like very much?

Looks like it
http://www.allclassifieds.com.au/ac/ac0032?vcid=122179995 – if this is the same Tom.

I doubt he’d leave someone else’s number. He’s looking for a fight.

I wondered that too… I can’t call from work… that would be naughty

Madame Workalot11:38 am 01 Apr 09

Um, probably a stupid question but has anyone tried to call the number to make sure it is actually him, and not just someone he doesn’t like very much?

Tom Sorah said :

I would welcome the opportunity to meet up for a chat with any of you peices of s***. My phone number is 0415 636 483. If you read the paper you shall read that the conviction was overturned. And i couldn’t care less what you retards write on this rubbish forum, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the circumstances and i hope it pisses you off.

Cheers, you will hear from us soon.

I’m against vigilante justice on principal. That said, I sure as hell would like to find this motherf$%ker and torture him like he tortured the ferrets.

Thanks Tom- look forward to catching up with you sometime around 3am! Tom’s number is 0415 636 483? Sweet!

So did they get their lawyer’s wish, and get a ruling that having people like us talk about them in the original thread was punishment from the community already delivered?
What fragile little cherubs these boys are, surely they were just misunderstood.

How do we find out more about thy this judgement was set aside?

(For people who are wondering what set aside means: Set aside occurs when a judge annuls or negates a court order or judgment by another court. When a criminal conviction is set aside, the person is considered not to have been previously convicted. IE: Quashed.

For those who really want to play it close to the line: Familiarise yourselves with the NSW Crimes Act 1914, Sections 85ZN, 85ZT, 85ZU, and 85ZZK first.
Handy reference: http://www.policensw.com/crimesact/crimeindex9.html )

A piece of sh*t and a retard would be someone who tortures small animals, wouldn’t it?

Thanks for your phone number, Tom. You’ll be getting some calls, I am sure. I saw the evidence and know what you did to those innocent creatures. You are guilty. You are a bully. You are a coward.

And as for your message – “Retards”??? Please. We already know you are a complete oxygen thief – there’s no need to add any further proof.

I would welcome the opportunity to meet up for a chat with any of you peices of s***. My phone number is 0415 636 483. If you read the paper you shall read that the conviction was overturned. And i couldn’t care less what you retards write on this rubbish forum, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the circumstances and i hope it pisses you off.

I suppose that it would be like a murder conviction here in the ACT, wont happen and all they get is a slap on the wrist. I hope to meet you one day thomas and we can discuss how animals have feelings too.

The decision will probably eventually be put up here.

Does it really matter? Any future employer/partner/friend/acquaintance is likely to google Tom Sorohan.

Seeing that he “got off” a ferret torturing conviction is hardly going to instill confidence.

He knows it …hence “Tom Sora”.

If this is another of those stupid “circumstantial evidence” rorts, I just give up.

Well the first we heard of it was yesterday when “Tom Sora” posted:

‘Yep I have some information for you the charges were dropped. Whats your thoughts on that?’

Apparently most murderers started off by torturing animals. He needs help NOW before its too late…..

No more room in the new prison, I’m hearing…

It would be nice to know why…

Ye gods, what does it take to be convicted of something? A jury sitting there watching them do the deed? It’s getting ridiculous.

The ABC reports that the sentence was “set aside”, whatever that means, but surely that means there’s no dispute the vermin did torture his housemate’s pets, just that the punishment is being thought about?

Not happy, Jim!

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