3 November 2016

Three teens face court over ANU assaults, UC incident

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ACT Magistrates Court
Three teenagers will face court following a series of aggravated robberies, including two at the Australian National University (ANU) on Friday.

Police attended the ANU after reports two male victims were assaulted and robbed during separate incidents on Friday. In both instances the victims were approached by two male offenders who assaulted them and stole their belongings. One of the victims suffered facial injuries and was conveyed to Calvary Hospital.

Yesterday detectives from ACT Policing’s Criminal Investigations executed search warrants in Belconnen, Latham and Dunlop. During these warrants, police located stolen property relating to the victims, resulting in the arrest of the two males and one female.

The two males were also charged in relation to an aggravated robbery near the University of Canberra on Saturday 22 October and an aggravated robbery at ANU on Saturday 23 October. In both of these incidents, a male victim was assaulted and robbed.

A 19-year-old male will face the ACT Magistrates Court today charged with four counts of aggravated robbery in company and one count of obtain property by deception.

A 17-year-old male youth will face the ACT Childrens Court today charged with four counts of aggravated robbery in company and one count of obtain property by deception.

A 17-year-old female youth has been charged with two counts of the joint commission of an aggravated robbery in company in relation to the incidents on 28 October. The female youth was bailed from the ACT Watch House to face the ACT Childrens Court later this month.

Investigations are ongoing, with further charges possible.

Police remind readers they should not report crime information via Facebook and Twitter pages.

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gooterz said :

If a name is supressed then the offender will still be able to get a decent job later in life. The potential offenders will see this and get told ah you only live once go for it.

If the names are public the accused when found guilty will never really be trusted given we can all just google people and their past crimes will come up. Be hard to get a decent job if you are found guilty of randomly bashing people.

If what you suggest is true, then AMC would be empty.

Did it ever occur to you that hiding behind the legislation that ensures names will not be published may be an incentive for juvenile offenders to do what they do with impunity?

JC said :

dungfungus said :

madelini said :

dungfungus said :

madelini said :

dungfungus said :

At least the name of the 19yo will be released.

Why does the name matter? Surely it has no material impact now that he is in custody and facing court.

It matters not but the point I was making is the the names of juveniles involved won’t be and why not if it doesn’t matter as you say?

I’m sorry, I didn’t get that from your original comment.

While the name of the legal adult can be released, it won’t have any impact on the charges laid against him. It doesn’t sound like he announced his name as he was robbing people, and they have released the MO, so similar crimes can already be reported. Restricting the names of the 17 year olds is a matter of legislation; there is no real reason why their names need to be made public. We’re not necessarily entitled to that information.

I made the qualification “at least”.

The names of all offenders, irrespective of their age, needs to be made public because the apprentice criminals usually go on to bigger and worse things and if their victims knew what their CV was beforehand, serious offences (including murder) could have been avoided.

Surely you have heard referrals to certain families doing most of the crime in Canberra?

I am confused. How can publishing the names of crims somehow stop future victims from being victims? Makes no sense what so ever.

I doubt if you have ever employed anyone before JC. People who have are not confused.

If a name is supressed then the offender will still be able to get a decent job later in life. The potential offenders will see this and get told ah you only live once go for it.

If the names are public the accused when found guilty will never really be trusted given we can all just google people and their past crimes will come up. Be hard to get a decent job if you are found guilty of randomly bashing people.

dungfungus said :

madelini said :

dungfungus said :

madelini said :

dungfungus said :

At least the name of the 19yo will be released.

Why does the name matter? Surely it has no material impact now that he is in custody and facing court.

It matters not but the point I was making is the the names of juveniles involved won’t be and why not if it doesn’t matter as you say?

I’m sorry, I didn’t get that from your original comment.

While the name of the legal adult can be released, it won’t have any impact on the charges laid against him. It doesn’t sound like he announced his name as he was robbing people, and they have released the MO, so similar crimes can already be reported. Restricting the names of the 17 year olds is a matter of legislation; there is no real reason why their names need to be made public. We’re not necessarily entitled to that information.

I made the qualification “at least”.

The names of all offenders, irrespective of their age, needs to be made public because the apprentice criminals usually go on to bigger and worse things and if their victims knew what their CV was beforehand, serious offences (including murder) could have been avoided.

Surely you have heard referrals to certain families doing most of the crime in Canberra?

I am confused. How can publishing the names of crims somehow stop future victims from being victims? Makes no sense what so ever.

In ‘An Empirical Analysis of Suppression Orders in the Victorian Courts: 2008-12’ (2013) 35 Sydney Law Review 674, Bosland and Bagnall say,
“first, proceedings are conducted in ‘open court’;
second, information and evidence presented in court is communicated publicly to those present in the court; and,
third, nothing is to be done to discourage the making of fair and accurate reports of judicial proceedings conducted in open court, including by the media. This includes reporting the names of the parties as well as the evidence given during the course of proceedings.”

In Russell v Russell, Gibbs J says,
“the public administration of justice tends to maintain confidence in the integrity and independence of the courts. The fact that courts of law are held openly and not in secret is an essential aspect of their character.”

Any kind of suppression in relation to the administration of justice by the courts flies in the face of the the “open justice” concept which pertains in Australia.

If people aren’t proud of their names being publicly associated with their actions, they should have a think about their actions rather than expect any white-anting of our society’s transparent justice system.

madelini said :

dungfungus said :

madelini said :

dungfungus said :

At least the name of the 19yo will be released.

Why does the name matter? Surely it has no material impact now that he is in custody and facing court.

It matters not but the point I was making is the the names of juveniles involved won’t be and why not if it doesn’t matter as you say?

I’m sorry, I didn’t get that from your original comment.

While the name of the legal adult can be released, it won’t have any impact on the charges laid against him. It doesn’t sound like he announced his name as he was robbing people, and they have released the MO, so similar crimes can already be reported. Restricting the names of the 17 year olds is a matter of legislation; there is no real reason why their names need to be made public. We’re not necessarily entitled to that information.

I made the qualification “at least”.

The names of all offenders, irrespective of their age, needs to be made public because the apprentice criminals usually go on to bigger and worse things and if their victims knew what their CV was beforehand, serious offences (including murder) could have been avoided.

Surely you have heard referrals to certain families doing most of the crime in Canberra?

dungfungus said :

madelini said :

dungfungus said :

At least the name of the 19yo will be released.

Why does the name matter? Surely it has no material impact now that he is in custody and facing court.

It matters not but the point I was making is the the names of juveniles involved won’t be and why not if it doesn’t matter as you say?

I’m sorry, I didn’t get that from your original comment.

While the name of the legal adult can be released, it won’t have any impact on the charges laid against him. It doesn’t sound like he announced his name as he was robbing people, and they have released the MO, so similar crimes can already be reported. Restricting the names of the 17 year olds is a matter of legislation; there is no real reason why their names need to be made public. We’re not necessarily entitled to that information.

madelini said :

dungfungus said :

At least the name of the 19yo will be released.

Why does the name matter? Surely it has no material impact now that he is in custody and facing court.

It matters not but the point I was making is the the names of juveniles involved won’t be and why not if it doesn’t matter as you say?

dungfungus said :

At least the name of the 19yo will be released.

Why does the name matter? Surely it has no material impact now that he is in custody and facing court.

At least the name of the 19yo will be released.

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