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Toot Toot! High Speed Rail to include Canberra. (If it happens)

By johnboy 4 August 2011 44

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The much leaked High Speed Rail Study has been released to the public and fortunately Canberra has been included on the Brisbane-Melbourne mega route.

But before anyone gets excited this “Phase One” report doesn’t touch on financial viability, that will have to wait for “Phase Two”, which is expected in mid 2012 (all before a single sleeper is laid).

But if it does get built they’re talking about stops at both Civic and Canberra Airport.


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eq2 5:38 am 07 Aug 11

2604 said :

Classified said :

I don’t think the current government has it in them to run with something like this.

I reckon they definitely do. It would make them popular with inner-city green elites as well as rural constituents. And, as you’ve probably noticed, their MO is to spend up big on these sorts of projects and then pay for them by taxing upper income earners (>$80k per year) more. As those upper income earners aren’t in marginal electorates, the political risk to Labor of these extra taxes isn’t all that great. That’s why they could throw money away on the NBN with no regard to what sort of return it might make – if it made money that was great, and if it didn’t, the “rich” would pick up the tab.

BTW, any high-speed train will never, ever stop at a place like Tumut.

WA, SA,TAS, NT and north west QLD won’t like it at all..

grunge_hippy 8:09 am 06 Aug 11

nothappyjan said :

smells like a very fast media distraction……..

well, the gruen transfer on wednesday did mention that the govt needs a distraction from the carbon tax. bingo!

Pandy 11:14 pm 05 Aug 11

I for one support this move.

We will be able to run our old steam trains on new rails.

Innovation 7:49 pm 05 Aug 11

Hmmm – High speed rail and glacial speed implementation. If the powers that be had started 10 to 20 years ago, I’d have settled for medium speed rail and mediocre speed implementation.

I-filed 6:26 pm 05 Aug 11

johnboy said :

Surely no need to head to the barricades just yet? Civic is on the route plan.

JB there is simply no way there will be TWO stations in Canberra for a VFT route, sorry. Why would a VFT train full of folk trying to get from Melbourne to Brisbane in a hurry be prepared to stop twice in 15 kilometres? Absolutely need to campaign and campaign hard from the get-go on this one. You only have to pick up a friend from Sydney Airport to know how ruthless is the price-gouging at that airport. As I said, the Snows will be VERY keen to dip in to Canberra train-travellers’ pockets to make up for any loss to air-passenger revenue.

johnboy 6:18 pm 05 Aug 11

Surely no need to head to the barricades just yet? Civic is on the route plan.

I-filed 6:09 pm 05 Aug 11

REALLY important for Canberrans to make sure those thieves who run Canberra Airport, the “Snow-Jobs” don’t get their way and have the VFT station located at the airport. They will be motivated to compensate for any cuts to air travel by gouging the Canberra public. Picture having to pay a dollar or three in parking fees to drop someone off to catch the train. Get ready for a campaign, folks, to have Canberra’s train station in Civic. Like in every real city. This is a must-happen!

Ello Vera 11:51 am 05 Aug 11

yellowsnow said :

2604 said :

BTW, any high-speed train will never, ever stop at a place like Tumut.

Unless … here’s an idea … Sydney’s second airport is built at Tumut

Then Canberra Airport could be closed, Tralee would get the go-ahead, Jerra would get its precious high school, Cosco expands to occupy vacant airport buildings to become the biggest store in the southern hemisphere, Civic is relocated to Majura Valley to be close to the new train station as well as Cosco, and Canberra’s new ‘inner east’ (previously known as QNBY)… I’ll stop there, it’s beginning to sound like a Jerrabomberran wet dream, and if Mike Kelly gets wind he’ll start lobbying the powers that be to make this perverse vision reality.

Biggest … strawman … ever!

Thumper 10:47 am 05 Aug 11

Look over there!

A unicorn!

JC 8:23 am 05 Aug 11

Mozzie said :

In any case, we quite happily spend billions on roads with absolutely no expectation of collecting revenue.

Exactly.

sarahsarah 8:15 am 05 Aug 11

ozmaniac said :

Hosinator said :

If you combined the cost of all the feasibility studies commissioned for this, you’d be half way towards funding the construction of the project.

Good call. No doubt there are many who make a killing out of pipe-dream feasibility studies.
Same as all these “consultants’ currently riding the government gravy train.
(that pun was sick).

Consultants – if you can’t be part of the solution, be part of the problem 😉

Jokes aside, that I think this is a great idea – I wonder if it’s likely to happen in my lifetime though. Since it has real merit I doubt it.

ozmaniac 12:52 am 05 Aug 11

Hosinator said :

If you combined the cost of all the feasibility studies commissioned for this, you’d be half way towards funding the construction of the project.

Good call. No doubt there are many who make a killing out of pipe-dream feasibility studies.
Same as all these “consultants’ currently riding the government gravy train.
(that pun was sick).

yellowsnow 12:14 am 05 Aug 11

2604 said :

BTW, any high-speed train will never, ever stop at a place like Tumut.

Unless … here’s an idea … Sydney’s second airport is built at Tumut

Then Canberra Airport could be closed, Tralee would get the go-ahead, Jerra would get its precious high school, Cosco expands to occupy vacant airport buildings to become the biggest store in the southern hemisphere, Civic is relocated to Majura Valley to be close to the new train station as well as Cosco, and Canberra’s new ‘inner east’ (previously known as QNBY)… I’ll stop there, it’s beginning to sound like a Jerrabomberran wet dream, and if Mike Kelly gets wind he’ll start lobbying the powers that be to make this perverse vision reality.

nothappyjan 12:03 am 05 Aug 11

smells like a very fast media distraction……..

whitelaughter 12:00 am 05 Aug 11

even the staunchest Laborites must know that they’re going to get clobbered at the next election – maybe they’re planning to ‘start’ this directly before the election so that the incoming govt gets saddled with the construction costs?

Mozzie 11:52 pm 04 Aug 11

JC said :

Even if it is gonna cost $100B to build and won’t recover the constructions costs we should still be building it. Putting money into infrastructure rather than bribing voters with lower taxes, so they can waste that money on over inflated McMansions is what this country needs.

The only provisio is it has the demand to cover running costs, so the operation isn’t a long term viability and considering the fact that most people in Aus live in that corridor I think with out doubt the demand is there.

The study says the railway could carry 54 million people per year in 2036. If people pay $100 per ticket, that is $5.4 billion per year. At a 6% return on investment, that would cover almost $100 billion in construction costs. By 2056, they are expecting passenger numbers to be almost 100 million per year.

But, the $100 billion cost includes options such as routing through the Gong which would be very expensive for little benefit so the cost should be smaller.

In any case, we quite happily spend billions on roads with absolutely no expectation of collecting revenue.

Hosinator 11:18 pm 04 Aug 11

If you combined the cost of all the feasibility studies commissioned for this, you’d be half way towards funding the construction of the project.

Pity 11:11 pm 04 Aug 11

Much prefer a high speed access to Sydney or Melbourne than high speed access to ebay or Facebook…

Boo to the NBN.

2604 10:50 pm 04 Aug 11

Classified said :

I don’t think the current government has it in them to run with something like this.

I reckon they definitely do. It would make them popular with inner-city green elites as well as rural constituents. And, as you’ve probably noticed, their MO is to spend up big on these sorts of projects and then pay for them by taxing upper income earners (>$80k per year) more. As those upper income earners aren’t in marginal electorates, the political risk to Labor of these extra taxes isn’t all that great. That’s why they could throw money away on the NBN with no regard to what sort of return it might make – if it made money that was great, and if it didn’t, the “rich” would pick up the tab.

BTW, any high-speed train will never, ever stop at a place like Tumut.

caf 10:46 pm 04 Aug 11

johnboy said :

Well, we all said that about the Alice-Darwin route, and then John Howard actually did it.

I’m given to understand that it was primarily the potential to transport the new M1A1s that drove that one, though. It’s worth remembering that this report was commissioned as part of the deal with the Greens – the Government aren’t pushing this.

On the other hand, those that worry about patronage should remember that Sydney-Melbourne is the fifth busiest air corridor in the world (and this is intended to compete with air).

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