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TOOT TOOT! Labor promises light rail and names it “Capital Metro”

By johnboy 21 September 2012 76

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Angels and Ministers of Grace preserve us Katy Gallagher is committing Labor to light rail:

If re-elected in 2012, ACT Labor will establish the ACT’s first large-scale private sector partnership to plan, finance and develop the first stage of a Light Rail Network for Canberra – the Capital Metro.

[Photo by Justin Ruckman CC BY 2.0]


UPDATE 21/09/12 10:50 Chic Henry has shared his thoughts and we’ll all be rooned:

So far, Labour hasn’t shown that it is very good at the business basics and if they aren’t careful, they and the dreamtime (Greentime) aspirations of their Green associates will send the City broke.


UPDATE 21/09/12 12:34: Two more reactions:

1. The Greens are chalking this up to their leadership.

2. Carbon emissions advocates Canberra Loves 40% also love Canberra Metro but want to hear from the Liberals.

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PA1 7:34 pm 23 Sep 12

SnapperJack said :

banco said :

I’ve yet to heard advocates of light rail explain how light rail can work in a city with Canberra’s population density without massive public subsidies ad infinitum.

Perhaps the “advocates of light rail” are too busy stuffing their fat faces with junk food to provide the answers.

The overall density of Canberra according to the ACT government is 443.6 people/km2. This stuck me as odd because I thought it would be much higher than that. Then I actually went through the numbers and found out how it was counted.
According to the document the population density of North Canberra is 232.2 people/km2. I then noticed the count included such areas like Majura which is mostly paddocks, Kowen which is the pine forest north of Queanbeyan, Acton which although does have a growing population does also count Black Mountain and the ANU as part of the suburb and the Russell area which only consists of the defence headquarters (No population counted). When I actually removed these areas, the population density went to 1443.7 people/km2.
The point of the above research is to illustrate that the green space of Canberra is also include in the statistics, so when the non-urban areas are removed, the population density is closer to other major cities. Now you might say that it still isn’t enough to facilitate a mass transit system, but my next point also shows a unique characteristic of Canberra.
One thing that Canberra has is highly concentrated employment areas. Take for example the Canberra City and Parliamentary Triangle area; this area as of 2006 employs 95260. The other town centres also employ a further 38075 people. Just think of all those daily trips to work alone and the demand it place on our transport system.
My point is that Canberra does have some congestion hot spots now and as Canberra expands and increases in density these will only get worse, so we need a long term solution to solve these problems. Whether light rail is the best option is another issue, but we do need to come up with a long term solution.

Population density document: http://www.actpla.act.gov.au/__data/assets/rtf_file/0020/24329/Population_Density_20114.rtf
Employment information: http://www.actpla.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/14269/Employment_distribution.pdf

SnapperJack 3:37 pm 23 Sep 12

banco said :

I’ve yet to heard advocates of light rail explain how light rail can work in a city with Canberra’s population density without massive public subsidies ad infinitum.

Perhaps the “advocates of light rail” are too busy stuffing their fat faces with junk food to provide the answers.

banco 1:26 pm 23 Sep 12

I’ve yet to heard advocates of light rail explain how light rail can work in a city with Canberra’s population density without massive public subsidies ad infinitum.

rosscoact 11:46 am 23 Sep 12

johnboy said :

I’m just guessing, but it seems to me the private finance will come if the company gets out of town residential centres to develop at the ends of these lines.

Yes, that is how the bus centres have been developed in Brisbane. Commercial with residential over. However, I wonder where the capacity is for this is in say, Gunners? Probably the bulky goods site next to Magnetmart which Vinta group haven’t been able to find a buyer for?

Just needs a deal with the lessees, a Territory Plan Variation and ACTPLA planners to think outside the box. Piece of cake really.

rosscoact 10:00 am 23 Sep 12

miz said :

Hey Ross I think they should still be part of the consideration for any rail proposal. Plenty of rural towns in NSW are either on the rail system or at least have a bus linking them to it.

But surely the prime consideration is to move a lot of people efficiently without the need for cars on the major routes? The small villages would fail the lot of people test (but admittedly pass the keep cars off the road test).

Incidentally, PPP are generally only considered viable when the development industry can get money cheaper than government which isn’t the case at the moment.

    johnboy 10:03 am 23 Sep 12

    I’m just guessing, but it seems to me the private finance will come if the company gets out of town residential centres to develop at the ends of these lines.

miz 9:26 am 23 Sep 12

Hey Ross I think they should still be part of the consideration for any rail proposal. Plenty of rural towns in NSW are either on the rail system or at least have a bus linking them to it.

rosscoact 5:29 am 23 Sep 12

miz said :

Good point joingler – I hope Tharwa, Oaks and Hall are on the radar for the light rail proposal.

why? Tiny populations of people who, in the case of Tharwa and Hall choose to live in rural environment

Why on earth would anyone ever even contemplate it?

basketofcat 12:37 am 23 Sep 12

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_Metro

“The metro has 22 stations, of which 9 are underground. In 2011, the metro carried 54.3 million passengers.”

“The entire metro system and the trains are run by a fully automated computer system […]. At any time, there are four people working at the control center […]”.

“The price was estimated at 11.5 to 18.3 billion Danish krone (DKK), of which DKK 5.4 billion will be financed though ticket sales, and the remaining from the state and municipalities.”

“The light rail model would have used the same approach as the tram in Ørestad, but would instead have run through a tunnel in the city center. The tunnel sections would be shorter, but the diameter larger because it would have to accommodate overhead wires. The system would have the same frequency as the tram, but use double trams and would therefore require larger stations. The metro solution was chosen because it combined the highest average speeds, the highest passenger capacity, the lowest visual and noise impact, and the lowest number of accidents. Despite requiring the highest investment, it had the highest net present value.”

But who cares about the future generations and budgets…

kakosi 9:24 pm 22 Sep 12

Masquara said :

JC said :

Masquara said :

Look out for the totally dishonest “artists impression footage” in the TV ad. It shows ONE track of light rail occupying all the space available between the trees up the Northbourne Avenue median strip. As if you could operate light rail with a single track. This light rail means Northbourne will LOSE at least one, probably both of its rows of trees. Thumbs down from me.

You believe an artists impression? Hmmm. As for Northborne for the most part the gap between the trees is plenty wide for dual track.

You are saying that the Northbourne Avenue median strip can accommodate two rail lines? Absolute nonsense. Go and measure it.

If you check out the original plans the city centre had tram or “Street car” space (the median strips along Northbourne) and other rail lines were further out of the city centre to connect to other parts of the city. It’s a lot different to what we ended up with. Especially the fact that a “manufacturing centre “never came to be. http://www.library.cornell.edu/Reps/DOCS/griffin.htm

DrKoresh 8:42 pm 22 Sep 12

Masquara said :

Look out for the totally dishonest “artists impression footage” in the TV ad. It shows ONE track of light rail occupying all the space available between the trees up the Northbourne Avenue median strip. As if you could operate light rail with a single track. This light rail means Northbourne will LOSE at least one, probably both of its rows of trees. Thumbs down from me.

You really are a single issue wonk, aren’t you? That in and of itself isn’t so surprising, it’s the fact that your single issue is preserving the life of al trees.

bigred 4:20 pm 22 Sep 12

Ding ding, election polling must tell them they need a BIG promise to change the game. Turn clock forward and if they are returned watch the excuses for doing nought appear. Especially if Greens lose influence. TWU and CFMEU will never let it happen anyway. Ding ding.

Masquara 11:44 am 22 Sep 12

JC said :

Masquara said :

Look out for the totally dishonest “artists impression footage” in the TV ad. It shows ONE track of light rail occupying all the space available between the trees up the Northbourne Avenue median strip. As if you could operate light rail with a single track. This light rail means Northbourne will LOSE at least one, probably both of its rows of trees. Thumbs down from me.

You believe an artists impression? Hmmm. As for Northborne for the most part the gap between the trees is plenty wide for dual track.

You are saying that the Northbourne Avenue median strip can accommodate two rail lines? Absolute nonsense. Go and measure it.

kakosi 11:07 am 22 Sep 12

brad82 said :

Can’t wait for it. Quick, quiet and efficient public transport. If they are anything like Melbourne’s trams this will be brilliant.

It’ll give certainty to the private sector to build around the system (unlike bus routes which can be axed at a whim), it’ll give the construction industry a boost, and it’ll make Canberra feel like a capital city.

They did leave all those middle “nature” strips expressly for the purpose of a tram system when they built the city.

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